Good day, and welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the Moody's Corporation Third Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference. At this time, I would like to inform you that this conference is being recorded and that all participants are in a listen only mode. At the request of the company, we will open the conference up for question and answers following today's presentation. I will now turn the conference over to Steve Mayer, Global Head of Investor Relations and Communications. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on this teleconference to discuss Moody's Q3 2017 results as well as our current outlook for full year 2017. I am Steve Mair, Global Head of Investor Relations and Communications. This morning, Moody's released its results for the Q3 of 2017 as well as our current outlook for full year 2017. The earnings press release and a presentation to accompany this teleconference are both available on our website at ir.moodys.com.
Ray McDaniel, Moody's President and Chief Executive Officer, will lead this morning's conference call. Also making prepared remarks on the call this morning is Linda Huber, WIDI's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I call your attention to the Safe Harbor language, which can be found toward the end of our earnings release. Today's remarks may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. In accordance with the Act, I also direct your attention to the management's discussion and analysis section and the risk factors discussed in our annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 2016, and in other SEC filings made by the company, which are available on our website and on the Securities and Exchange Commission's website.
These together with the Safe Harbor statement set forth important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such forward looking statements. I would also like to point out that members of the media may be on the call this morning in a listen only mode. I'll now turn the call over to Ray McDaniel.
Thank you, Steve. Good morning and thank you to everyone for joining today's call. I'll begin by summarizing Moody's Q3 year to date 2017 financial results. Linda will follow with additional Q3 financial details and operating highlights. I will then conclude with comments on our current outlook for 2017.
After our prepared remarks, we'll be happy to respond to your questions. Before addressing our financial results, I want to begin by saying that we pleased to have closed the Bureau Van Dijk acquisition and are excited to welcome our new Bureau Van Dijk colleagues to Moody's. While we have owned the company for only 12 weeks, our experience thus far is very positive and the operations at Bureau Van Dijk are proving to be in line with our expectations. Our integration efforts are on track and we remain confident about achieving the synergy targets that we communicated when we announced the acquisition. Starting from this earnings release, results and guidance will include Bureau Van Dijk from the August 10th acquisition close date.
Also, as we previously communicated, we are now excluding the amortization of all acquisition related intangibles from our adjusted diluted EPS metric. This includes amortization of intangibles from Bureau Van Dijk as well as earlier acquisitions. In the 3rd quarter, Moody's achieved a record $1,100,000,000 in quarterly revenue, up 16% from the Q3 of 2016. Operating expenses for the Q3 totaled $618,000,000 up 19%, of which Bureau Van Dijk operating expenses and acquisition related expenses constituted 8 percentage points. Operating income was $445,000,000 up 12% and adjusted operating income of $499,000,000 was up 14%.
We are defining adjusted operating income as operating income before depreciation and amortization as well as Bureau Van Dijk acquisition related expenses. The operating margin was 41.9 percent, down from 43.3 percent in the Q3 of 2016. The adjusted operating margin was point 9 percent, down from 47.8 percent. Moody's diluted EPS for the quarter was $1.63 per share, up 24% from the Q3 of 2016. Adjusted diluted EPS for the quarter was $1.52 up 10%.
Q3 2017 adjusted diluted EPS excludes a $44,000,000 or $0.23 per share gain from a dollars per share gain from a foreign currency hedge associated with the Bureau Van Dyke acquisition, dollars 14,000,000 or $9,000,000 or $0.04 per share of acquisition related expenses. 3rd quarter 2016 adjusted diluted EPS excludes $6,000,000 or $0.04 per share related to amortization of all acquisition related intangibles and $6,000,000 or $0.03 per share from a restructuring charge. Turning to year to date performance. Moody's revenue for the 1st 9 months of 2017 was $3,000,000,000 up 14% from the prior year period. U.
S. Revenue was $1,700,000,000 up 10%, while non U. S. Revenue was $1,300,000,000 up 20%. The impact of foreign currency translation was negligible.
Revenue at Moody's Investor Service of almost $2,100,000,000 was up 16% from the prior year period. U. S. Revenue was $1,300,000,000 up 12%, while non U. S.
Revenue was $787,000,000 up 24%. Revenue at Moody's Analytics was $990,000,000 a 10% increase over the prior year period. US revenue of $471,000,000 was up 6%, while non US revenue of $518,000,000 was up 14%. Excluding Bureau Van Dijk, organic MA revenue was $959,000,000 up 7% from the prior year period. Operating expenses for the 1st 9 months of 2017 totaled almost $1,700,000,000 up 9% from the prior year period, of which Bureau Van Dijk operating expenses and acquisition related expenses constituted 3 percentage points.
Foreign currency translation favorably impacted Foreign currency translation favorably impacted expense by 1%. Operating income was $1,300,000,000 up 21%. Foreign currency translation favorably impacted operating income by 1%. Adjusted operating income of $1,500,000,000 was also up 21%. Moody's operating margin was 44.3% and adjusted operating margin was 48.4%.
The effective tax rate for the 1st 9 months of 2017 was 29%, down from the 31.5% in the prior year period. The decline was primarily due to a non cash, non taxable gain related to strategic realignment and expansion involving Moody's Chinese affiliate CCXI as well as a benefit from the adoption of the new accounting standard for equity compensation, Primarily due to the strength of the underlying business performance for the 1st 9 months of the year, we are raising our full year 2017 diluted EPS guidance to a range of $6.18 to $6.33 This range includes the $0.36 per share purchase price hedge gain, dollars 0.31 per share CCXI gain, the $0.23 per share related to amortization of all acquisition related intangibles and $0.11 per share of Bureau Van Dijk acquisition related expenses. Excluding these items, we anticipate full year adjusted diluted EPS to be in the range of $5.85 to $6 Both ranges are up approximately $0.50 from prior guidance. I'll now turn the call over to Linda to provide further commentary on our financial results and other
updates. Thanks, Ray. I'll begin with revenue at the company level. As Ray mentioned, Moody's total revenue the Q3 was a record $1,100,000,000 up 16%. U.
S. Revenue of $588,000,000 was up 8%. Non U. S. Revenue of $475,000,000 was up 28% and represented 45% of Moody's total revenue.
Foreign currency translation favorably impacted Moody's revenue by 1%. Recurring revenue of $535,000,000 was up 16% and represented 50% of total revenue. Looking now at each of our businesses, starting with Moody's Investor Service. Total MIS revenue for the quarter was $694,000,000 up 13%. U.
S. Revenue increased 9% to $428,000,000 Non U. S. Revenue of $267,000,000 was up 21% and represented 38% of total MIS revenue. Foreign currency translation favorably impacted MIS revenue by 1%.
And moving now to the lines of business for MIS. 1st, corporate finance revenue for the Q3 was $350,000,000 up 17%. This result reflected strong U. S. Investment grade and Asian speculative grade bond issuance as well as a strong contribution from U.
S. Rated bank loans. U. S. And non U.
S. Corporate finance revenues were each up 17%. 2nd, structured finance revenue totaled $128,000,000 up 23%, primarily driven by strong CLO issuance and an increase in U. S. CMBS rated transactions.
U. S. And non U. S. Structured finance revenues were up 25% and 19%, respectively.
3rd, financial institutions revenue of $102,000,000 was up 7%. This result was largely driven by an increase in banking issuance from infrequent issuers in EMEA. U. S. Financial Institutions revenue was down 2%, while non U.
S. Revenue was up 13%. 4th, public project and infrastructure finance revenue of $109,000,000 was up 4%. This result was primarily driven by an increased infrastructure finance activity in EMEA and Asia, offset by a decrease in U. S.
Public finance issuance. U. S. Public project and infrastructure finance revenue was down 16%, while non U. S.
Revenue was up 53%. Finally, MIS Other, which consists of non ratings revenue from ICRA in India and Korea Investor Service, contributed $4,000,000 to MIS revenue for the 3rd quarter, down 41%. The decline is attributable to the divestiture of a non core subsidiary of ICRA's in late 2016. Turning now to Moody's Analytics. Total revenue for MA of $369,000,000 was up 21%.
U. S. Revenue of $161,000,000 was up 4 percent. Non U. S.
Revenue of $208,000,000 was up 38% and represented 56% of total MA revenue. Foreign currency translation favorably impacted MA revenue by 1%. Excluding Euro Van Dyke, total organic MA revenue for the Q3 of 2017 was $339,000,000 up 11% from the Q3 of 2016. Moving now to the lines of business for MA. First, research data and analytics or RD and A, revenue of $218,000,000 was up 30% and represented 59% of total MA revenue.
Growth was mainly driven by the addition of Bureau Van Dijk as well as strength in the credit research and data feeds businesses. U. S. And non U. S.
RD and A revenues were up 7% 65%, respectively. Excluding Bureau Van Dijk, global organic RD and A revenue was $188,000,000 up 12% from the Q3 of 2016. Euro Van Dijk's revenue contribution for the 3rd quarter was reduced $14,000,000 as a result of the deferred revenue adjustment required as part of acquisition accounting. 2nd, Enterprise Risk Solutions or ERS revenue of $113,000,000 was up 11% from the prior year period. U.
S. ERS revenue was down 4%, while non U. S. Revenue was up 21%. Trailing 12 month revenue and sales for ERS increased 6 percent 7%, respectively.
We continue to make progress on shifting the mix of the ERS business to emphasize higher margin products with trailing 12 month product sales up 17% and services sales down 18%. 3rd, professional services revenue of $38,000,000 was up 6%. U. S. And non U.
S. Professional services revenue were up 5% 6%, respectively. Turning now to operating expenses. Moody's 3rd quarter operating expenses totaled $618,000,000 up 19%, of which Bureau Van Dijk operating expenses and acquisition related expenses constituted 8 percentage points. The overall increase was primarily attributable to higher accruals for incentive compensation, Bureau Van Dijk operating expenses, amortization of intangibles from the acquisition of Bureau Van Dijk and acquisition related expenses.
The impact of foreign currency translation was negligible. As Ray mentioned, Moody's operating margin was 41.9%, down 140 basis points from 43.3% in the Q3 of 2016. Adjusted operating margin was 46.9%, down 90 basis points from 47.8%. Moody's effective tax rate for the quarter was 31.4%, up from 30.5% in the prior year period. This increase is primarily due to an increase in the rate of non U.
S. Taxes and the tax on the purchase price hedge gain, partially offset by a tax benefit from the adoption of the new accounting standard for equity compensation. And now I'll provide an update on capital allocation. During the Q3 of 2017, Moody's repurchased approximately 200,000 shares at a total cost of $29,000,000 for an average cost of $130.75 per share. Moody's also issued approximately 300,000 shares as part of its employee stock based compensation plans.
Moody's returned $73,000,000 to its shareholders via dividend payments in the Q3 of 2017. And on October 23, the Board of Directors declared a regular quarterly dividend of $0.38 per share of Moody's common stock. This dividend will be payable on December 12, 2017 to stockholders of record at the close of business on November 21, 2017. Over the 1st 9 months of 2017, Moody's repurchased 1,400,000 shares at a total cost of $164,000,000 or an average cost of $116.70 per share and issued approximately 2,200,000 shares as part of its employee stock based compensation plans. Moody's also returned $218,000,000 to its shareholders via dividend payments during the 1st 9 months of 2017.
Outstanding shares as of September 30, 2017 totaled 191,100,000 approximately flat to a year ago. As of September 30, 2017, Moody's had approximately $600,000,000 of share repurchase authority remaining. I'll now walk you through the financing of the Bureau Van Dyke acquisition, which closed on August 10, 2017, at a purchase price of approximately €3,000,000,000 or US3.5 billion dollars Moody's issued approximately $1,800,000,000 of debt, including $1,000,000,000 of notes, a $500,000,000 term loan and $300,000,000 of commercial paper at a combined blended interest rate of approximately 2.6% pretax. The incremental financing expense associated with these items amounted to $0.03 per share in the 3rd quarter. The balance of the purchase price funded by $1,400,000,000 of offshore cash, approximately $300,000,000 of U.
S. Cash on hand and an approximate $100,000,000 purchase price hedge gain due to the appreciation of the euro from the acquisition announcement date to the close date. At quarter end, Moody's had 5 point $7,000,000,000 of outstanding debt and approximately $700,000,000 of additional borrowing capacity available under our revolving credit facility. Total cash, cash equivalents and short term investments at quarter end were $1,100,000,000 with approximately 74% held outside the U. S.
Cash flow from operations for the 1st 9 months of 2017 was $343,000,000 a decline of $889,000,000 in the 1st 9 months from the 1st 9 months of 2016. Free cash flow for the 1st 9 months of 2017 was $273,000,000 decline of $804,000,000 from the prior year period. These declines in cash flow were due to payments the company made in the Q1 of 2017 pursuant to its 2016 settlement with the Department of Justice and various states' attorneys general. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Ray.
Okay. Thanks, Linda. I'll conclude this morning's prepared comments by discussing the changes to our full year guidance for 2017. Complete list of Moody's guidance is included in Table 12 of our Q3 2017 earnings press release, which can be found on the Moody's Investor Relations website at ir. Moodys.com.
Moody's outlook for 2017 is based on assumptions about many geopolitical conditions and macroeconomic and capital market factors, including interest rates, foreign currency exchange rates, corporate profitability and business investment spending, mergers and acquisitions, consumer borrowing and securitization and the amount of debt issued. These assumptions are subject to uncertainty and results for the year could differ materially from our current outlook. Our outlook assumes foreign currency translation at end of quarter exchange rates. Specifically, our forecast reflects exchange rates for the British pound of $1.34 to 1 pound and for the euro of $1.18 to 1 euro Moody's full year 2017 guidance incorporates Bureau Van Dijk's results starting from the acquisition close date of August 10, 2017. Euro Van Dijk's revenue contribution for full year 2017 will be reduced by an estimated $39,000,000 $14,000,000 in the 3rd quarter and an estimated $25,000,000 in the 4th quarter as a result of a deferred revenue adjustment required as part of the acquisition accounting.
Moody's now expects full year 2017 diluted EPS to be $6.18 to $6.33 including the purchase price hedge gain, CCXI gain, amortization of all acquisition related intangibles and acquisition related expenses. Excluding these items, full year 2017 adjusted diluted EPS is now expected to be $5.85 to $6 Both ranges include an estimated $0.20 per share tax benefit related to the adoption of the new accounting standard for equity compensation. Moody's now expects revenue to increase in the low teens percent range. Operating expenses are now expected to decrease in the 20% to 25% range. Excluding the 2016 settlement and restructuring charges and acquisition related expenses, adjusted operating expenses are now expected to increase in the low double digit percent range.
Depreciation and amortization expense is now expected to be approximately $160,000,000 Free cash flow is now expected to be approximately $600,000,000 For MIS, Moody's now expects 2017 revenue to increase in the low teens percent range. U. S. Revenue is now expected to increase in the low double digit percent range and non U. S.
Revenue is now expected to increase in the high teens percent range. Corporate finance revenue is now expected to increase in the low 20s percent range. Structured finance revenue is now expected to increase approximately 10%. Financial Institutions revenue is now expected to increase in the low double digit percent range. Public Project and Infrastructure Finance revenue is now expected to be approximately flat.
For MA, Moody's now expects 2017 revenue to increase in the low teens percent range. Non U. S. Revenue is now expected to increase in the
low 20s
percent range. Excluding Bureau Van Dijk, MA revenue is still expected to increase in the high single digit percent range. Our D and A revenue is now expected to increase in the low 20s percent range. Excluding Bureau Van Dijk, our D and A revenue is still expected to increase in the low double digit percent range. This concludes our prepared remarks and joining Linda and me for the question and answer session are Mark Almeida, President of Moody's Analytics and Rob Feilber, President of Moody's Investor Service.
We'll be pleased to take any questions you may have.
Thank And we'll go first to Toni Kaplan at Morgan Stanley.
Hi, good morning. With regards to the latest tax reform proposal, how are you thinking about the change in issuance if interest deductibility is capped at 30% of EBITDA?
I'll offer some initial comments and then my colleagues may wish to add their thoughts as well. I don't anticipate this is going to make a big difference in issuance levels. Certainly with the 30% interest deductibility cap, There will be some impact on more speculative grade companies that may reach that cap. But I don't believe it's going to fundamentally change the capital structure or thinking about debt issuance and leverage at these firms. I would also point out that the benefit we would get from moving to a 20% tax rate would be much more substantial than what I would anticipate being any decrease in revenue from reduced debt issuance.
So I think it's a positive and we'll see whether the current form of this bill goes through and obviously pay close attention to any changes that happen along the way. I'd also note that I look favorably at the 5 year carry forward that's been proposed as part of this in terms of mitigating any changes in the attractiveness of debt issuance.
Tony, it's Linda. And Alex may comment after me. I think we do want to make sure that everyone continues to understand, the 20% proposed corporate tax rate would be dramatically beneficial for Moody's if in fact that rate did come to pass. To think about the math, everyone should look at a 1% decrease in our estimated tax rate would be $0.07 to $0.08 in EPS. So please use whatever rate you'd like to, but in any case that would be quite a wind at our back because we are a pretty full taxpayer.
Agreed. Okay. And just wanted to ask, you had a great quarter in ratings, but it looked like the incremental margins on MIS were a little bit lower than prior quarters. And I think in the release you mentioned an increase in incentive comp accruals as one of the drivers. Are there other drivers to call out?
And could you give us the incentive comp expense for the quarter? Thanks.
Yes. Toni, it's Linda. As you see, we have increased guidance pretty significantly at this point in the year. That requires that we have a catch up in terms of our percentage completion of our performance on that new target. For the corporation as a whole, we've adjusted incentive compensation.
We've had to add $35,600,000 to that amount. That includes incentive compensation. And then in salaries and benefits, we've also had to add approximately $22,000,000 This will include about $5,000,000 we're thinking of global profit sharing for the firm. And I'll let Rob talk to the question on the MIS margin.
Yes. That's right, Linda. The growth in MIS expenses, as Linda said primarily due to the higher incentive comp accruals. If you look at our year to date adjusted operating margin versus prior year, you'll see about 300 basis points of margin expansion. And taking account of the catch up accrual for incentive comp that Linda talked about and last year's restructuring charge that you can see, our adjusted operating margin is largely consistent for the 3rd quarter is largely consistent with that year to date figure.
That's great. Thanks guys.
We'll go next to Alex Kramm at UBS.
Yes. Hey, good morning. Just maybe just to come back on the tax side again. Thanks for the color. We know this is obviously early days and let's see what changes.
But like when you mentioned Ray on the spec rate side, there could be some impact. Do you have some more like numbers you can share with us like when you look at your rate at debt today, how many of those companies will be hitting those thresholds? And then secondarily on the taxes there, are there other things that you didn't mention to the earlier question that you should be thinking about? For example, yesterday private equity companies got hit pretty hard in the market because there's some worries there. I mean, obviously, those are big users of debt as they take companies private, etcetera.
Is that something we should be thinking about as well?
Well, just in terms of the overall outlook, as we're looking at the end of this year and going into next year, we obviously have some movements or anticipated movements in official rates, but the spreads remain tight. And in fact, the default rate forecast is for the default rate to be declining over the next 12 months, which should further encourage tight spreads. So there are some good news items around the debt issuance profile. Even as we look at a potentially rising rate environment and as we look at coming off very fulsome years for debt issuance both in the bond and loan sectors. So I'm not anticipating that either the tax reform or other conditions in the market are going to be generating a strong directional change in 2018 issuance.
So I don't have anything else I can add on the tax reform proposal itself, but that would be a more general outlook.
And Alex, just to give you some view our view on the high yield default rates, the 1 year forecast as of the end of September, globally high yield default rate of 1.9%, U. S. 2.3% and the Euroview 1.3%. So again, pretty benign outlook there on high yield default rates.
Okay, good. Thank you. And then just secondly on BVD, you put out that 8 ks last week, lots of confusion with some of these numbers. And I think some people wondered if there's some seasonality in that business. So maybe can you just talk about how that business is tracking now that you own it?
How we should be thinking about maybe not just the Q4, but also how the year next year progresses? Is this a steady increasing business or is there seasonality? And then a very quick one on the amortization add back, what's the amortization add back and EPS points for the Q4? Because I can't really make sense of the 23 for the full year.
Okay. So the way we're going to deal with this, Alex, is Mark is going to speak first about the view of the growth view on the growth outlook for the business and how we're doing. And I'm going to take care of some housekeeping on the exciting topics of deferred revenue haircut and conversion from Dutch IFRS to U. S. GAAP.
But before that, Mark has a good part. So Mark, go ahead.
Alex, the BPD business is performing very, very well, very much in line with our expectations, as Ray said. If you I think probably the most informative thing you might do is look at the amount of revenue, we recognized for that business in the 3rd quarter, bearing in mind we only had 7 weeks of the business and add back in the deferred revenue adjustment. And then if you annualize that number, you get a very nice number that I think will compare very favorably to what we showed in that 8 ks filing. So I think you'll if you do that math, you'll see some very nice acceleration in revenue growth. And that's what we're seeing and we're already very engaged with the business and working on a number of new sales opportunities, new product development opportunities.
So everything is going very, very well from an operational standpoint and we remain very enthusiastic about the business. One specific I would just add is that I don't think we see a lot of seasonality in the business. There's some, but not a lot of seasonality to answer the specific question you were asking. Sorry, Linda.
Okay. So accounting class begins now. Deferred revenue haircut. So the first part of this is, this was fully expected and the adjustment is required by acquisition accounting. It gets amortized as a revenue reduction over the remaining period of the customer contracts that were inherited as of the acquisition date.
So this is going to affect us in 2017 and to some extent into 2018. So what we need to do is fair value all the assets and the liabilities acquired and the fair value of the deferred revenue is the cost to fulfill those contracts plus a reasonable profit margin. So the total estimated impact, the total deferred revenue haircut is expected to be about $52,000,000 And as a result, BVD's revenue contribution will be reduced by about $39,000,000,000 for this year and an estimated $13,000,000 which will continue through August of next year for fiscal year 2018. The quarterly impact is $14,000,000 in Q3 $25,000,000 in Q4. The percent impact for PP and A, Alex, is $0.04
Excellent. Thanks for
the accounting. Sorry, sorry. Keep going.
Okay. So part 2, transitioning from Dutch IFRS to U. S. GAAP, we had to do a couple of things. These have no impact on the economic value of the business, nor how it's doing.
We had to capitalize software and income taxes. And that requires a higher hurdle under U. S. GAAP and income taxes, we had to put up a small reserve for uncertain tax positions and that is not required under IFRS. So those two things, small accounting changes, but that's it.
Anything else we can do for you?
No, I think I got plenty. Thank you.
Sure.
We'll go next to Manav Patnaik at Barclays.
Yes. Hi. Thank you. Linda, maybe just to continue that, the margin profile on BVD, I mean, in the past, in the presentations, you talked about that being north of 50% on the IFRS standards. So can you maybe just give us a little accounting on how that gets impacted for year 1?
And I'm guessing there's just I guess, what I'm assuming is there's a natural step down from the 51 because of that expense change. And then there's probably another step down for year 1 because of the deferred revenue change. So maybe just some color there?
Sure. So what's happening is the EBITDA margin under U. S. GAAP is 44%. Previously, we've spoken about approximately 51%.
Those are accounting adjustments. They don't reflect any change in the underlying operating performance of the business. And Mark may want to speak some more about that.
I'd only say that what Linda said is correct. There are some accounting phenomena that we're reporting here, but the economics of the business are very much in line with what we expected and what we talked about when we announced the acquisition.
Got it. And then Ray, you talked about obviously 2018 not having much of an impact from the current proposed tax reforms. I was just curious if you had a longer term view. I guess a lot of the stuff that we're reading from our credit analysts in house and in the papers and so forth is that reduction in the tax rate, some of the deductibility, etcetera, etcetera will lower leverage. And so probably over a decade caused that reduction.
Just do you agree with that or is there something else to that from your point of view?
Well, I mean the interest deductibility cap, first of all, should have essentially no impact on the investment grade sector and should not have a significant impact for the higher rated portion of the speculative grade sector. So it's really when you get more deeply into speculative grade that those caps may make a difference. And that's a part of the market that tends to be quite cyclical anyway. I would also I would say that a strong economic environment where firms are investing back in their businesses, are identifying opportunities for growth is a positive environment, not only for those firms, but for the rating side of our business as well. So if we have an environment in which firms are on their front foot in terms of thinking about growth and investment, mergers and acquisitions, etcetera, I think that's going to be a benign to positive environment for the ratings part of our business.
Mona, it's Linda. I wanted to just go back to your earlier part of the question on BBD and its performance. Further wanted to add, we had talked about $45,000,000 in synergies for by 2019, dollars 80,000,000 in synergies by 2021. We view that we are on track with those synergies. And Mark may want to speak a little bit more about some of the things that we're working on, on that front.
Yes. We're making very good progress on both expense and revenue synergies. We're already very engaged from a sales perspective. We've won business together with customers in multiple parts of the world. We've displaced a competitor recently with a joint selling effort in the Middle East.
BVD closed its largest ever sale in the United States last month. And we've got new product development activities going on jointly. So we feel good about what's happening from a revenue and a sales perspective. On the expense side, we're making good progress on realizing expense synergies. We're consolidating office locations.
We're already co located in New York, San Francisco and Hong Kong and we're moving forward with other offices as well. So I think both on the revenue and the expense side, we're very much on track to deliver on the synergies that we talked about.
And I would add, I'm very pleased with Mark and his team. We're coming in a little bit lighter on the integration costs than we had expected. And in order that everyone can model this appropriately, I want to make very clear in terms of the entirety of the Bureau Van Dijk acquisition, purchase price amortization associated with the entire deal will be $1,300,000,000 annual amortization expense is $70,000,000 per year and total annual amortization expense is $95,000,000 from all of our legacy acquisitions. And in a minute, if someone's interested, I'll walk through the guidance change and the different components of that. I expect we'll get to another question on that.
So with that, Manav, anything further or would you like to move on to another question?
No. I'll wait for someone to ask the question you want them to ask and take it down.
Thanks. We'll go
next to Anj Singh at Credit Suisse.
Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Could you give us a sense of which pieces of your guidance are benefiting or taking a hit from FX moves versus last quarter? Just trying to see how the expectations for the underlying strength may have changed on a constant currency basis?
Sure. So we have a special bonus slide here in terms of looking at what is going on with our guidance. And let me step through this. So that slide should be up right now if you're looking at the webcast. So we had started with full year dollars to $5.50 We have noted that we have now we have the addition of the legacy amortization of acquisition related intangibles and that is $0.12 for the change in guidance for this year or it accounts for about 25% of the $0.50 step up in terms of our guidance.
The legacy MCO business weighted pretty heavily toward the MIS business has given us about $0.28 of the guidance increase. Again, that's about 55% of this amount. So you should very much expect that that part of the business has driven the majority of this increase in guidance. And then lastly, Bureau Van Dijk's performance adds about $0.10 in terms of what we're looking for on the addition to guidance for this year or about 20% of that step up. Altogether, if you add those, it gets about $0.50 The new range is $5.85 to $6 And we've got a couple of footnotes here in terms of things that have been included.
And I think we've got about $0.04 of FX impact in here. And the accounting team is nodding, so that's good. So it has a minimal effect in terms of the $0.50 increase, so less certainly than 10% in this increase is attributable to FX.
Okay, got it. That's helpful. And then, for a second question on RD and A, looking at your guidance, it seems to imply some continued acceleration on an organic basis for 4Q. And I know last quarter, you folks had been a bit measured on the characterization of the improvement that was happening in that business last quarter. So any updated thoughts on the go forward outlook?
Any color you can share there? Thanks.
I would just say that you're right. We've had acceleration in RD and A in the Q3. And if you look at where our guidance was for RD and A before the Bureau Van Dijk acquisition, that would imply that we'd have continued acceleration into the Q4. So that remains our view and the business is performing well. We're pleased by what's happening there and we expect to carry on and deliver good results there.
Okay. Thank you.
We'll go next to Tim McHugh at William Blair.
Thanks. Just want to ask about the international part of the credit rating business. It's been very strong, I guess, all year, but you've been asked this throughout the year, but just revisiting, how much do you put on secular in a profitable growth in that piece versus, I guess, just favorable conditions or as well as, I guess, currency helping you there?
Rob, you want to take that?
Yes, it's Sam. Hey, how are you? Good question. And I'll just talk a little bit also about kind of the components of this very strong non U. S.
Growth story, because I think it's a mix of some of the factors that you cited. Specifically, this quarter, we had much stronger revenue growth outside the U. S. We had real strength in Asian corporate and infrastructure. Obviously, the Asian corporate story importantly part of that is China.
We think that is a long term trend. The surge you're seeing in infrastructure issuance also something that I think would be a longer term secular trend. Europe, we saw real strength across the board, across all of our fundamental franchise. And we're seeing reduced geopolitical risk there and steady economic recovery. So again, I think that will contribute to I think very constructive market conditions overall.
Tim, if you want, it's Linda. I'll step through the market view that we get from the investment banks, just so everybody can think about this a little bit. Again, these are from some of the major investment and commercial banks that we talked to and that this might not align with Moody's revenue characterizations. But for investment grade bonds so far this year, we've seen $1,100,000,000,000 in issuance. That's year to date.
And the view for the year is flat to up 5%. You recall when we started last year, the view for this year was supposed to be flat to down 10%. So I would strongly urge that everybody think about that these early estimates for the coming years are often directionally pretty far off from where we end up. Commenting on what banks are seeing now, investment grade bond issuance remains on pace. October issuance of $120,000,000,000 was the largest October on record.
November is expected to be greater than 75,000,000,000 dollars Spreads remain near 3 year tight and the current state of the market is robust. For high yield bonds, dollars 250,000,000,000 of issuance this year, 10% to 15% for the full year expected. High yield bond issuance remained substantially above last year's levels. Similar to investment grade market, high yield spreads are near 3 year types, low volatility in the face of everything going on geopolitically. That's contributed to an issuer friendly environment.
And we talked about the relatively reasonable, maybe even benign default outlook for high yield for the coming year. Leveraged loans, this is the star of the show, dollars 550,000,000,000 so far this year, up 40% year is expected for the full year 2017. Leveraged loan market conditions are very strong with a benign outlook on the prospect for rising rates, heavy refinancing and repricing activity as issuers capitalize on strong investor demand and CLO issuance is at $90,000,000,000 which is up 80% year to date. Headed over to Europe, same view again, this is coming from the banks. Investment grade, we've seen a busy period of investment grade in bond issuance.
We expect they expect that for the remainder of the year as spreads and rates remain near historic lows. There are positive investor funds flows. The European Central Bank has talked about a lengthy period for QE and Eurozone GDP growth is running at the fastest pace in 7 years and that will also continue to support the market despite the fact that inflation has been quite quiet. Bank of England raised rates yesterday for the first time in a decade, but indicated that another rate increase is imminent due to concerns around the potential impact of Brexit. And on speculative grade in Europe, general market sentiment remains very positive with a strong pipeline across both high yield bonds and leveraged loans.
Credit spreads continue to compress and that's offering issuers record low rates. We'd also note that U. S. Rates are a good deal above European and other rates, which may serve to keep a bit of a ceiling on U. S.
Rates. We also note a new nominee as the Fed Head and we're well aware that the forward curves right now are showing us that the probability of the December 2017 rate hike is about 88%. So we'll see where that goes. And again, the view is particularly on the spread front at very attractive levels. Don't know if Rob wants to say any more about that, but I think that pretty much caps what the banks are seeing in terms of issuance.
Yes. The only other thing I would add Linda is obviously a recent announcement by the ECB with the planned reduction of their asset purchases. And I think our view is it's a pretty gradual step towards eventually normalized monetary conditions and we expect that the impact on market financing conditions will be moderate at most. And as Linda said, they've also signaled they intend to kind of hold on rates beyond the monetary stimulus program. So that will continue to support some attractive issuance conditions combined with economic growth in many parts of Europe.
Okay. Thanks. And just one follow-up on BVD. Linda, you gave some helpful kind of bridge in terms of the, I guess, the profit margin versus what we might have thought before for that business. What about versus that 8 ks, Nitik, but it was like $70,000,000 per quarter or kind of $140,000,000 of revenue.
And then, I think Mark's kind of approach he encouraged us to use when implied more than $80,000,000 on a run rate. Is there something different versus that statement, I guess, or that 8 ks that we looked at versus what you'll now see? Can you bridge that at all for us?
Sure. I'll let Mark talk about that.
Yes. Tim, it's Mark. I think the difference is we're just we're seeing acceleration in the sales performance of the business, which is flowing through to revenue over time. So I think that's basically what's going on. The second half of last year was a little light from a sales perspective and that flowed into first half revenue in 2017.
But we're as I said, we're seeing acceleration, significant acceleration and that's what I think explains the difference between what you saw in the 8 ks and what we're talking about today.
Okay. That's helpful. Thank you.
We'll go next to Joseph Foresi at Cantor Fitzgerald.
Hi. Another BVD question for you. You talked about the business performing well and maybe even a couple of takeaways. Can you just maybe dive in a little bit deeper into those takeaways? What's causing them?
Why would someone switch away from their other vendor? And do you expect more of those to come?
Yes. What I was referring to was we've had a couple of situations already where we've gone to customers with a joint product offering. So, BVD product together with the Moody's Analytics product just offering a more complete and more comprehensive solution to customers' information needs. And I mean frankly that was part of the one of the important premises of the acquisition was that we thought there were opportunities for us to do that. And so we're seeing that.
So by joining our product offerings together, we're finding that we're able to meet a broader set of needs for a broader set of customers. And as a result, we're able to displace some competitors. So we've had a couple of examples of that already. And it's still early days. We think there's a lot more opportunity there for us.
Got
it. And Joe, let me explain just one other thing. The 8 ks that a couple of people have mentioned, that 8 ks is a bit of an unusual formatting of looking at numbers and it is by regulation required to be BBD Management's projections from their audited 2016 financial statements, which you'll recall are in a different they're in Dutch IFRS, we're in U. S. GAAP.
And our growth expectations, you will recall, we have revenue synergies, as well that we are looking at. So, when you add those synergies in, you can get to the bridge between the two. And as we said before, we still expect those synergies to come along, as Marcus said. So just want to make sure that is well understood.
Got it. My second question is just on 2018. It sounds like you're fairly comfortable with the impact of what the tax reform would be on issuance. It sounds like you've got an added kicker in the analytics business with BVD. So I guess I'm wondering what areas or what do you think are the great unknowns as you head into next year, particularly on the margin side and but a little bit on the demand front as well?
What are you concerned about? Thanks.
So I was going to say, Rob, why don't you tackle what you're seeing on the rating side and then Linda can jump in.
Yes. And I'll provide a balanced answer here with both some of the support as well as some of the risks. So, we plan to provide a view on 2018 on our 4Q earnings call as we always do and that allows us to account for issuance through the end of the year and other factors like Wall Street estimates and updated macro assumptions. But that said, we certainly see some themes that will shape our outlook.
And Ray
has touched on a few of these, but we see support for issuance growth coming from a number of factors. That includes economic growth, continued M and A volumes, modest geopolitical risks, improving commodity prices in a low and actually declining as Ray and Linda have pointed to declining default environment. And we continue to enjoy some very constructive market conditions. Linda touched on that. And we think that should carry over into next year.
The question marks for us as we look into next year, Asia's ability to grow off of a very robust issuance growth in 2017, further growth in the U. S. Investment grade sector off of some very robust recent levels, the potential deceleration of refi activity in that we've seen in 2017 particularly in the bank loan space and whether we will see an improvement in U. S. Public finance refunding activity, which has been down pretty sharply throughout this year.
The last thing I would point to is just the potential increase in volatility poses a risk. If you think about this past year, we really didn't see any kind of shutdowns, market shutdowns where the market was closed for 1 or 2 weeks. And so if we were to see that, that would obviously provide some downside.
Sure. And Joe, we're not going to be brave enough to forecast an estimated tax rate for next year yet. We're working with about 30% for this year. And again, if we do see any reduction in the tax rate, again, dollars 0.07 to $0.08 for each percentage that the tax rate corporate tax rate might come down. That would be a benefit to us if that does in fact happen.
We would note that we continue to have the ability to price and we do insist on value for issuers in terms of price, but the 3% to 4% view continues. And we would also note that growth and interest rate increases are not necessarily a bad condition for Moody's. We've often shown that in 2,008, 'nine and 2012 to 2013, when interest rates went up more than 100 basis points during those year long periods, MIS' revenue in fact increased. And if we do see some growth in the economy, we may see some increase in issuance for capital expenditures, which has really been lacking as the use of proceeds. In recent years.
We've been working mostly on refinancing and also payments to shareholders as well as M and A activity. So we would love to see a broadening in use of proceeds. And again, as rates move up, as has been speculated about that is not necessarily a negative condition for Moody's if it is brought about by strong or good growth in the economy. And Ray may have some other thoughts.
I think that's pretty comprehensive. So why don't we see what other questions we've got. Great.
We'll go next to Craig Huber at Huber Research Partners.
Yes. Hi, a couple of questions. How would you characterize the M and A environment here in the U. S. And Europe today versus a year ago?
It's been pretty good. We obviously had a period of very heavy M and A volume really in the last couple of years. Companies are companies are enjoying economic growth and thinking about investment and building out their businesses. So I think we should be looking at a good environment for M and A on a going forward basis.
The only other thing I'd add to that Ray, obviously we've got a robust equity market, which I think will be healthy for M and A. And M and A has become an increasingly important driver of some of the recent bank loan activity that we've been seeing as we've been seeing the modest deceleration in some of that refi activity. And some
of that may convert over to bond activity. That's right. Yes.
And also wanted to ask, I mean, obviously, every year there's some degree of pull forward for refinancings and stuff. How would you characterize that for your book of business this year? I mean, how much do you feel that's been borrowed from future years? How much more so than usual?
Well, in terms of pull forward from 2018, I think that has been very strong. So a lot of maturing debt for 2018 has been part of the 2017 story. What we're looking at though is again a substantial build of the refinancing walls each year. So the fact that 2018 now doesn't have much refinancing in its profile, we look to 2019, 2020 and the walls build every year from 2018 out. So it really becomes, I think, more of a question of will firms seek opportunistically to pull forward from multi year refinancing walls.
And that is what we've been seeing to date, I think. But we'll have to keep an eye on whether that's going to to continue to characterize the refinancing profile going forward.
Just a quick housekeeping question, if I may. Linda, the incentive compensation for the 1st 3 quarters this year, what was it each quarter? And how does this I think you said $20,000,000 profit share. Is that included in the number you're going to give us? Or how does break into the whole year?
Profit sharing goes in the salary line. So for the year, if you're looking at profit sharing, the numbers that we put up sequentially for Q1, we went $52,000,000 2nd quarter $51,000,000 and then the number pops up to 78.4 for the Q3. And we're thinking for the Q4, if we had to eyeball this, Craig, the team is thinking 60 ish depending on whether we have another very strong quarter in the Q4 that would take us beyond the guidance we've just given you could be higher, but 60 ish given what we're seeing right now. So hope that's helpful to you.
Is the 20 in those numbers, Linda?
The 20
The profit sharing was 5.
Yes. And again, that's in the salary and BEM line. So we do have that in already, yes.
Thank you.
We'll go next to Jeff Sibler at BMO Capital Markets.
Thanks so much. I know it's late. I got a couple of numbers questions. Linda, I know you're dying to talk about the amortization, but I'm not going to go there unless you really, really want to. Just in terms of the calculation of the adjusted diluted EPS, is it possible to give it what it was historically for 4Q 2016 and for 2016, just so we know what the base we're looking at?
I think we don't really want to go into historical pro form a here, Jeff, if that's okay.
Yes. I think it would I don't have the number in front of me, but I think you would just be looking at what the legacy purchase price amortization would be as an add on to the existing adjusted numbers. But I don't have that number in front of me.
So let me ask the question another way. If I'm looking at growth in adjusted diluted EPS for the Q4, how do you think that will compare to the year over year growth we just saw in the Q3?
I'm not sure we want to give guidance on the 4th quarter specifically, Jeff. I think we're viewing that we will probably be up from last year's Q4 for the rating agency, but potentially sequentially down from this year. I think Rob may have some more color he wants to give you on that. Mark may want to give some color on MA, but I'm not sure we want to get all the way into quarterly guidance for the Q4. Rob, is that about directionally correct?
Yes, that's exactly right.
Okay, great. I want to ask a 4th quarter question. How about a 2017 question? What should we be modeling for interest expense for the year?
Sure. I can get that for you in just a second. And anticipating the expense ramp question, we would expect that excluding BBD, the Q1 to the Q4 expense ramp would be $55,000,000 to $65,000,000 We had had a lower number obviously when we talked with you before. If you include BVD, the expense ramp is 100 and $20,000,000 to $130,000,000 Both of those numbers are up from $40,000,000 to $50,000,000 previously. We have the addition of BVD.
We have the incentive 2017 financing cost? Or do you want the quarter?
I'll take whatever you want to give us.
Okay. So year to date, the financing costs, the expense on the borrowing running about $140,000,000 And for the quarter, we have the schedule in the earnings release, if you want to take a look at it, it's about $49,000,000
Okay. I'm sorry, I missed that. Thanks so much.
Okay.
Next we'll hear from Connor Fitzgerald at Goldman Sachs.
Hi, good morning. Just wanted to talk about the longer term trajectory of margins in Moody's Analytics and where you think that could track over the next couple of years now that you've closed BBD?
Sure. Mark, you want to add that? Sure. Well, I think you really have to decompose that into 2 pieces. We have to think about the trajectory of margin for the legacy business and then think about what the impact of BVD is.
We've talked about work that we're doing to drive margin expansion in the legacy business principally by expanding the profitability in the ERS segment. We are continuing to make progress on that. We delivered good results in the quarter. The margin expansion you saw in the quarter, about half of that was due to BBB and the other half was organic. And that's true if you look at the 9 month margin expansion in MA as well.
So we've got a plan. We're executing on the plan and we're continuing to see the kinds of results there that we expected and we'll continue to pursue those efforts over the coming quarters years. Then separately, you've got the Bureau van Dijk effect. That's a high margin business. It's going to be accretive to the MA margin.
And so we expect that that's going to be a boost to profitability in Moody's Analytics. So we've got 2 things going on. Both of them I think are moving us a very positive direction and we'll continue to pursue our efforts on both sides.
Got it. Thanks. And then appreciate your comments around that you don't think the 30% cap on interest deductibility will have much of an impact. Can you give us a sense around how sensitive you think the market is if that cap declined to say 25%?
Well, obviously, you're starting to work your way up into higher speculative grade issuers if you're at 25% or 20%. But so I can't quantify that for you. But yes, you're obviously going to be moving up toward the investment grade market as hypothetical caps come down.
And Connor, we would point that Germany and I believe the U. K. Is working on the 30% EBITDA cap. So that is somewhat of a view that is looked upon in other countries, maybe where that perspective number has come from.
That's helpful. Thanks for taking my questions.
Sure.
We'll go next to Bill Warmington at Wells Fargo.
Good afternoon, everyone.
Bill. And
first of all, welcome to Steve Mayer. I think that Sally got the better side of that job trade. So a couple of questions on BBD, if I may. The first is that you mentioned the revenue deceleration in the growth deceleration in 2016 and 2017 and then the reacceleration in 2017. And I wanted to ask if you changed anything in the sales force structure organization that was helping to drive that?
The short answer, Bill, is no. What we're talking about here, these were things that really predated our involvement in Bureau Van Dijk. They had discontinued a product and began to build a new product to replace it, which we are actually working with them on and helping bring a better product to the market. The effect of that has been was elevated attrition in the legacy product, which having worked through that, we're now seeing the business begin to accelerate. So, it really what we're observing here didn't really have anything to do with our acquisition of the company.
It was a historical thing that we were aware of and prepared for, as we got involved with the company.
And you mentioned some early revenue synergies that you're seeing taking place. I wanted to ask about Orbis Bank focus. I mean, that's one that I've heard talked about as potentially being a viable or alternative to S&P Global's S and L.
Yes, that's right. That's, again, that's a product that we are working together with Bureau Van Dijk on. We've got a lot of experience in that area working with the rating agency in providing very extensive statistical coverage for rated banks. And we know from talking to our customers that there's demand for alternative products that would cover a much larger universe of banks. Bureau Van Dijk had started to build out a product for that market.
We are now working together with them to build out what we think will be a better product and we'll be coming to market with that product shortly. So that is an important product development synergy for us.
Okay. Well, thank you very much for the insight. I wish everybody a happy weekend.
Thanks, Bill.
We'll go next to Vincent Hung at Autonomous.
Hi. Maybe I missed this. Can you talk about the source of the strength in professional services this quarter?
Yes. Mark, to
speak to professional services, Vincent.
Yes. You're right. We had we were up in professional services this quarter for the first time in a while, frankly. And it was attributable to strength in both of our professional services business. Both our financial training and certification business did well and was up in the quarter as was the Moody's Analytics Knowledge Services business, our India outsourced research and analytics unit.
So both of those businesses had had a string of difficult quarters, but we have made some very good progress. We think we've turned things around in both of those areas. And we are hopeful that the 3rd quarter results are something that we're going to be able to continue over the coming quarters as well.
And so you announced a couple of investments in the last couple of weeks in Compstack and SecurityScorecard. Can you just talk about these? And also should we be expecting a lot more of these smaller strategic investments?
I'll let Rob talk about our interest in a couple of these areas and Mark as well. But as a broad comment, we are looking at both adjacent kinds of assessment businesses and adjacent asset classes. Those would be 2 ways I might think of categorizing where we would invest and where we have interest. And I'll turn this over to my colleagues more specifically on these couple of investments. Yes, Ray.
In
the example of security scorecard, we saw that as an opportunity to gain some exposure to a growing and very relevant space cybersecurity and cyber ratings, where ultimately we think we may be able to partner to add value to both their business and ours.
Yes. And with CompStat, that's a company that we think is doing some very creative work with advanced technologies to solve a long standing information transparency problem in the commercial real estate market. And as we've been quite involved and quite interested in commercial real estate from a couple of different perspectives, for some time, we are very enthusiastic about using their data to expand our product offering for that market. So, the CompSTACK opportunity is an exciting and an interesting one for us. As far as the likelihood of our doing more of these, I mean, I think these are situations that we generally look at opportunistically.
When there is an opportunity to get involved with a company that's doing interesting work in a market that is attractive to us, we'll pursue that. But and I'm not sure I would characterize this as a fundamental change in strategy. It's just something that we want to be thoughtful and creative about.
Great. Thanks.
We'll go next to Peter Appert at Piper Jaffray.
Thanks. So on the MIS margins, performance has been pretty impressive here in 2017, obviously. I'm wondering about your confidence in the sustainability of the margin leverage in the context of what could be slower revenue growth in 2018?
Peter, it's Linda. I'm going to let Rob get warmed up here, but I probably have to get out some of these brag points that we have just to make sure that everybody understands what's happening in MIS. I'm going to ask Rob to touch on the fact that we've had 6% recurring revenue growth in MIS and Rob can talk about that. So that's something that we're happy with. Secondly, he's been shy so far to talk about the new mandates we've seen in the Q3 of 2017.
He's got 264 new mandates up 18% from the Q3 of last year. That's a 40% increase in the year to date period. And he's got expectation for more than 900 new mandates for the full year of 2017. So with that preamble, I'll let Rob pick it up from here.
Yes, that's right. Maybe one other interesting point around first time mandates that and this maybe goes back to Tim's question around the outlook for Asia over the longer term. But first time mandates out of Asia through the year to date period are now within 20% of what we've seen in the United States. So a very strong story around this intermediation and new issuers coming to the market. Look, on expenses, I think generally the margin profile I think is sustainable.
On one hand, we have to continue to make investments in the business. Obviously, we've had a lot of issuance volume. It helps when that issuance volume is in the continue to drive efficiency across MIS as well. So, continue to drive efficiency across MIS as well.
No, I would just add, we've talked about this before, but while the new rating mandates do not generally drive the highest margin component of the ratings business. They are a very high quality source of revenue because it establishes new relationships and translates over time into monitoring fees and additional ratings. So that's really I think the best quality revenue that we get is those new rating relationships.
Got it. Thank you.
And then Linda, can you just remind me in terms of the plan around repurchase? I know you dialed it back obviously because of the incremental debt load, but when does it get dialed back up?
Sure, Peter. We've said for 2017 and we also expect for 2018 to have share repurchase be about $200,000,000 and we're on pace for that for 2017. We've made commitments that we're going to delever back to a more normalized level reflecting our BBB plus rating and we're on path to do that as well. So we'll hope to get to around and this is an approximate number, dollars 200,000,000 this year, Peter. And we're right now thinking about $200,000,000 for next year to honor our commitments on deleveraging.
Got it. Thank you.
We'll move next to Patrick O'Shaughnessy at Raymond James.
Hey. So credit spreads and credit market volatility are basically at record lows around the globe. Does your research team chalk most of this up to those low default rates that you talked about earlier? Or are there other factors at play like Central Bank bond buying? And as some of that bond buying might wind down in the future, maybe we see spreads and volatility pick back up?
Yes. No, I think you're exactly right. There is no one factor that is driving the narrow credit spreads that we're seeing. I do think the low default rate environment and low default rate expectation going forward is a central component. But in terms of looking at supply demand, what's happening with central banks and government involvement in the market.
So you would have to also consider that as a factor.
Fair enough. And then for my follow-up, President Trump's nominee for the next Fed Chairperson has been a pretty vocal champion of GSE reform in the past. To what extent would his confirmation change your view on the likelihood of GSE reform and maybe potential upside in RMBS?
I've been this is not a corporate view. It's a personal view. I've been pessimistic about the likelihood of substantial reform of the GSEs. I may be surprised with the new Fed chair, but at the moment, I'm going to maintain my existing opinion.
Great. Thank you.
I have no additional questions at this time. Mr. McDaniel, I'll turn the program back over to you, sir.
Okay. Let me just turn to Linda for one second.
Yes, sure. I just wanted to for all you accounting fans out there, make sure that everyone knows that they should take a look at our purchase price amortization tables in the 10 Q, which will be released shortly. And also we had received a question regarding the new rule standard 606 that for us a housekeeping matter I wanted to touch on. We note that we may have some accounting some balance sheet adjustments in the Q1 of 2018. You will see an estimate as to what we think about that in the 10 Q that we're about to release.
We don't think that that will have a material impact on 2018, but we have to continue to do our work. We do see that standard 606 though may introduce a bit of quarterly volatility, but over the full year should not be material. And again, you'll see that some companies including us will have some estimate ranges in this quarter's Q. You should take a look at that. And as you have further questions, we'll have more to say about that as we go into the Q1 of next year.
But just wanted to call that out for everyone who is thinking about that revenue recognition standard 606. And with that, I'll turn it back over to Ray. Okay.
Yes. Thanks, Linda. Just before we end the call, I want to remind everyone that we'll be hosting our next Investor Day on February 28, 2018 here in New York. The event will be webcast live and we'll have presentations from management and be showcasing the important aspects of the company's business. So thank you very much everyone for joining the call today and we look forward to speaking with you again in the New
Year. And ladies and gentlemen, once again, this does conclude today's Moody's 3rd quarter 2017 earnings call. As a reminder, immediately following this call, the company will post the MIS revenue breakdown under the Q3 2017 earnings section of the Moody's IR homepage. Additionally, a replay of this call will be available after 3:30 p. M.
Eastern Time on the Moody's IR website. Thank you.