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Earnings Call: Q3 2020

Nov 6, 2020

Operator

Good morning, welcome to the Magnolia Oil & Gas third quarter 2020 earnings release conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Brian Corales, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Brian Corales
VP of Investor Relations, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Thank you, Gary, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Magnolia Oil & Gas' third quarter 2020 earnings conference call. Participating on the call today are Steve Chazen, Magnolia's Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, and Chris Stavros, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, today's conference call contains certain projections and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements. Additional information on risk factors that could cause results to differ is available in the company's annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. A full safe harbor can be found on slide two on the conference call slide presentation with the supplemental data on our website.

You can download Magnolia's third quarter 2020 earnings press release, as well as the conference call slides from the investor section of the company's website at www.magnoliaoilandgas.com. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Steve Chazen.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Thank you, and thank you for joining us today. My comments this morning will begin with an overview of our business model, discussion of our plans and activities for the rest of the year, including an update on our Giddings development. I will conclude with a general outlook for 2021. Chris will review our third quarter results and our financial position. He will also provide additional guidance before taking your questions. Magnolia's business model, which focuses on spending approximately 60% of our EBITDAX on drilling and completing wells and generating meaningful, consistent free cash flow while maintaining low levels of debt, remains unchanged. From our inception more than two years ago, this model continues to position us well by providing significant flexibility in how we choose to allocate our free cash flow.

Since the beginning of 2019, we've deployed approximately $165 million of cash towards small and midsize bolt-on oil and gas property acquisitions, repurchased more than 9 million shares of our stock while building additional cash on our balance sheet. We ended the third quarter with nearly $150 million of cash. We expect our cash balance to exceed $200 million by the end of the year. Turning to our operations. After not completing or bringing on any new wells online during the last eight months, our third quarter total production of approximately 54,000 bbl of oil equivalent per day represents the trough period for production this year. We ended the third quarter with eight DUCs in Giddings and 10 DUCs in the Karnes area, while running one rig operated in Giddings, which continues to drill development wells.

We began completing wells at Giddings late in the third quarter and recently brought on our first three-well pad. While still early, the wells on the recent Giddings pad are performing better than the average of the initial 14 wells in our core development area that we discussed with you last quarter. Of the eight wells we plan to bring on during the fourth quarter, we expect two wells to be gassier, allowing us to take advantage of the recent increase in natural gas prices. Our total fourth quarter production is expected to grow 7%-10% sequentially, and production in Giddings is expected to grow by at least 20% as a result of the eight DUCs being brought online. As the timing of these wells will be staggered throughout the quarter, the full impact will not be realized until the first quarter of next year.

Our optimism around the opportunity at Giddings continues as we experience additional confirmation around well performance and further improvement on well costs. Current average well costs are running about $6.5 million, which is down from $8.5 million during last year. Our operational efficiency improvements in Giddings over the past year have been substantial as we have focused our activity in our initial core area, transitioned to pad development, and improved the quality of our drilling crews. Drilling costs per lateral foot have declined nearly 55%, and completion costs per lateral foot have decreased 50%, resulting in total well cost per lateral foot declining 45% compared to 2019 levels. These include total costs for drilling, completion, and associated facilities at Giddings. We expect to capture further efficiencies as we execute our pad development, with total well costs falling towards $6 million next year.

Before turning the call over to Chris, I want to provide some initial thoughts regarding our plan for 2021, including a general framework for reinvesting our cash in the business and on the return of excess cash to the shareholders. Our plan is to continue to spend approximately 60% of our gross cash flow on drilling and completing programs as part of our organic program. We do not expect to alter this plan as it is a key characteristic of our business model and provides discipline within the organization. At current product prices, we plan to run one rig at Giddings in our development area. At current drill times, improved efficiencies at lower cost puts us on pace to drill approximately 20 wells in Giddings next year.

We expect to begin completing the DUCs in the Karnes area in the first half of 2021, and we currently anticipate a modest increase in non-operated Karnes activities throughout the year. This plan is expected to deliver moderate organic growth compared to our fourth quarter 2020 production levels. As I mentioned earlier, we expect our cash balance to exceed $200 million at the end of the year, and it's difficult to imagine that we'd need to carry much more than this at any given time. Though overall balance strength is important to us, with only $400 million of bonded indebtedness and not due till 2026, paying down debt is not likely to add material value to our stock price. We will continue to look for small to mid-size bolt-on oil and gas property acquisitions with similar characteristics to our existing asset base.

Although we cannot be certain these will occur, we anticipate spending a sizable portion of our cash flows after capital and interest expense on acquisitions. Any acquisition would need to be accretive to the value of our stock and improve our full cycle cost metrics. Our increased confidence in the Giddings asset area makes us less likely that we would pursue a larger acquisition. Transactions are most likely to be of the smaller bolt-on top type, could include producing properties or additional interest in our core areas. In the absence of accretive acquisitions, cash would be allocated to share repurchases. Bolt-on acquisitions and buying back our stock will improve our overall and per share metrics and should generate additional stock market value over time.

We will continue to evaluate all cash flow allocation options, including dividends, and plan to provide more details around this as we roll out our full 2021 capital plan early next year. I'll now turn the call over to Chris.

Chris Stavros
EVP and CFO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Thank you, Steve, and good morning, everyone. As Steve mentioned, I plan to review some high-level points from the third quarter results, review our financial position, and provide some guidance before turning it over for questions. Starting on slide four, Magnolia returned to profitability during the third quarter, generating total adjusted net income of $15.6 million, or $0.06 per diluted share. Our adjusted EBITDAX was $76 million in the third quarter, with total drilling and completion capital costs of approximately $27 million. D&C capital represented 36% of our adjusted EBITDAX for the quarter and was better than our earlier guidance. We continue to expect our D&C capital spending to be approximately 60% of our full year 2020 adjusted EBITDAX, which is consistent with our strategy and business model. We reported total production of 54.3 thousand bbl of oil equivalent per day, 50% of which was oil.

Third quarter volumes were negatively impacted by 2,000 BOE per day due to the delay of several non-operated wells in Karnes until the fourth quarter, as well as some unplanned downtime at a Karnes third-party processing facility. We have not completed any wells since February and did not bring on any new production during the third quarter. Oil prices stabilized during the third quarter after a very volatile and weak second quarter. Our third quarter oil and natural gas price realizations improved by 96% and 17%, respectively, on a sequential basis.

As a result of the recent sharp increase in natural gas prices, we took the opportunity to hedge 50,000 MMBtu per day of natural gas production or just under half of our total daily natural gas volumes using costless collars with a weighted average floor price of $2.31 per MMBtu and a weighted average ceiling price of $3 per MMBtu from September 2020 through August of 2021. The hedge locks in a floor price of $2.31 per MMBtu that is well ahead of the price we've realized thus far during 2020, while providing upside on half of our production volumes should gas prices rise over $3. We view this hedge as more opportunistic and have no plans to hedge any of our oil volumes.

Looking at the quarterly cash flow waterfall chart on slide five, we began the third quarter with $117 million of cash and generated $69 million of cash flow from operations before changes in working capital. Our D&C capital was $27 million during the quarter. We completed a small bolt-on acquisition in the quarter, most of which was an increase in working interest in our existing acreage. We repurchased 1.2 million shares of our common stock during the third quarter for $7 million and have 6.8 million shares remaining under the existing repurchase authorization. We generated $46 million of free cash flow, and our cash balance grew by $32 million during the period, ending the third quarter at $149 million. At current product prices, we will continue to generate excess free cash flow after our capital outlays through the end of the year.

Our $400 million of gross debt is reflected in our senior notes, which do not mature until 2026, and we do not expect to issue any new debt. Magnolia's undrawn $450 million revolving credit facility was reaffirmed by our bank group last month, and our nearly $600 million of total liquidity is more than ample to execute our business plan. Our condensed balance sheet and liquidity as of September 30th are shown on slides six and seven. Turning to guidance for the fourth quarter and shown on slide eight, our total capital spending for drilling completion and facilities is expected to be approximately 55% of our adjusted EBITDAX during the period. We exited the third quarter with eight DUCs at Giddings, which we plan to complete and bring online during the fourth quarter.

These well completions, combined with several non-op wells coming online in Karnes during the quarter, should provide sequential quarterly production growth of 7%-10%. Production in Giddings should increase by at least 20% as we bring on several multi-well pads. Two of the eight wells that we plan to bring online during the fourth quarter are expected to be gassier, allowing us to take advantage of higher gas prices. As a result of these gassier wells, our gas production is expected to be a little higher proportionally during the fourth quarter. We plan to continue to operate one rig focused on drilling development wells in the Giddings initial core area. Our oil realizations are expected to be about a $3 per bbl discount to MEH and around the same as the third quarter and in line with historical levels.

We expect our cash balance to exceed $200 million at the end of the year. As Steve noted, we do not need to build much cash at all beyond this level. Looking into 2021, we plan to invest approximately 60% of our adjusted EBITDAX on drilling and completing wells and consistent with the capital discipline that has supported our business model since our inception. At current product prices, Magnolia plans to operate one rig focused on pad drilling in the Giddings initial core area. Based on current drilling times in Giddings, we estimate a one-rig program at our current pace could drill approximately 20 wells per year, which should provide moderate volume growth compared to our expected fourth quarter production levels. In summary, Magnolia is financially well-positioned with ample cash and liquidity.

Further drilling efficiencies captured in Giddings should allow us to do more with less, providing us with excess cash to return to shareholders. We're now ready to take your questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

It doesn't matter. We move them up. That's up to the last.

Operator

Our first question comes from Jeff Gramp with Northland. Please go ahead.

Jeff Gramp
Analyst, Northland Capital Markets

Morning, guys.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Morning.

Jeff Gramp
Analyst, Northland Capital Markets

Wanted to start maybe on Chris's last point, doing more with less, and what you guys got going on in Giddings on the well cost front. Do you guys think with seemingly good line of sight to getting to a $6 million well, can that be sustainable longer term? Even if we do at some point in time get service companies clawing back some margins, given that you guys probably still have some more efficiencies to gain, is that a good longer-term development well cost, or how should we think about continued efficiency gains?

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Almost all the gain came from drilling the wells quicker. It's not from cutting the cost from the rig company. I think the 20 wells for the year is also conservative. We're continuing to improve our time, and so it might even be more than that. I think we may be able to get it below $6 million, but I think $6 million in almost any price environment that I could currently foresee or pray for is probably about right.

Jeff Gramp
Analyst, Northland Capital Markets

Okay, great. Just on the results front, I know we're still early days on that recent three-well pad, but anything you guys can point to as far as why those are doing better? Is it geology? Are you tweaking completions and doing any optimization on that front, or anything you can conclude at this point?

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Well, the average was a number of wells drilled over a couple of years or so, maybe two, three years. The average was reduced by some of the weaker wells that were drilled at one point or another that were done in a different way. We expect that we'll be above that average. You could always drill a bad well, I guess, we expect we'll be above that average going forward.

Jeff Gramp
Analyst, Northland Capital Markets

All right. That makes sense. I'll hop back in the queue. Thanks for the time.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Neal Dingmann with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Neal Dingmann
Analyst, Truist Securities

Morning, all. Steve, my question probably for you or maybe even for Chris is just you guys continue to generate some nice free cash flow, and you talked, I think, in the press release about some of the stock repurchase. My question with incremental free cash flow, do you see yourselves, again, just building cash with that? You don't have a ton of debt. I'm just wondering what nearer term uses of that between shareholder return or maybe even acquisitions?

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

If we start, we spend 60% of the EBITDAX on drilling, completing wells, and equipping them, roughly. Then we would hope to do some bolt-on acquisitions in either Giddings or Karnes. The market is tight right now. Right now, you couldn't do much, I don't think. The next priority is likely to be share reduction, reducing the share count. Then we're considering a dividend. We'll have more to say about that next year. As far as paying down debt, it just doesn't make any sense. We have $400 million of debt. We've got $200 million of cash. I guess I could build the $400 million of cash, but I don't think that makes a lot of sense.

In theory, we could start calling the debt next year, but I don't see where having zero debt is going to be real accretive to the shareholders, so I'd rather use the money for something else.

Neal Dingmann
Analyst, Truist Securities

No, great details. Just a follow-up. I know earlier this year you were pretty deliberate on about drilling in Giddings and talking about the quicker sort of payback in Karnes. Here, let's assume again that we exit the year around $40-ish. Knowing you don't have full details out for next year, what are your thoughts about, again, continued with Giddings versus Karnes, given the paybacks of the two?

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

The Giddings wells have a better cash return than a Karnes well. The Karnes well comes back faster, so you have higher internal rates of return. As far as money in the bank, the Giddings wells over time will generate more money for us and more present worth for us. In a lower price environment, you do that. The Karnes well, basically you're drilling it and you're going to get $40 oil or whatever the current oil price is. The Karnes well, it'll be averaged over a few years. In this current kind of environment, the Giddings well is more attractive. We have some Karnes wells drilled, some DUCs, and depending on product prices, we'll probably complete those sometime in the first half of the year. Some wells will probably be drilled next year. We'll just have to see.

The ideal environment for a Karnes well, even though the wells work just fine now, if you get $60 or $50 for the oil, and you get your payback down around six months, that's about right. The locations aren't going away, I guess. The priority now is to build the lower decline Giddings results with the low finding costs. Finding costs are in the $6 area. That kind of finding cost, all things considered in our program right now, that would be I think the best use of the drilling money.

Neal Dingmann
Analyst, Truist Securities

Well said. Thanks, Steve.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Umang Choudhary with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Umang Choudhary
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi, good morning, and thank you for taking my question.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Good morning.

Umang Choudhary
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

My first question, I just wanted to follow up on a previous comment. If commodity prices do end up being higher, and it's in the range of $50-$60 oil, where would you deploy the incremental cash flows between Karnes and Giddings? The early results in Giddings is definitely favorable. Separately, if commodity prices do end up being higher, do you see the potential to spend less and deploy more cash towards acquisitions or share repurchase?

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

The formula sort of fixes it. If EBITDA is $400 million, we spend $240 million drilling. If EBITDA is $600 million, we spend $360 million drilling. The extra money in that case would probably mostly go to Karnes, in a higher price environment, where we could get faster payback and reap the excellent economics there. We wouldn't increase the except by using the 60%, that's the only way to adjust the program. We're not going to adjust the program by going crazy and spending 80%- 90%. If our EBITDA were $600 million, that would generate $240 million, less the interest, about $210 million for some kind of return to shareholders, whether it be share reduction or dividend, just depends on where we are at that time. The answer is that the formula corrects itself for those sorts of things within reason.

$100 oil, I don't know what I would do exactly.

Umang Choudhary
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

That makes sense. I guess my next question was on just Giddings area.

Understand it's early days, and you still have your development plan ahead of you. I was wondering if you can provide any initial color on 2021 production growth and CapEx outlook for Giddings, specifically based on your plans to allocate one rig in that area.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

You should expect one rig roughly for the whole year. We were going to do a rig and a half, the efficiencies allowed us to do the same work with just one rig. We may put a rig somewhere in the middle of the year, maybe to drill some exploration type wells to see where we can expand. That's sort of it. Any excess money would go into Karnes drilling, probably. I'm not pressed to enlarge the program. Program, it's going to grow. I mean, the wells, you can look at the average we gave you for last quarter and even assume that. Again, they appear to be doing better than that. If you just assume that, they're sort of 80% net revenue interest and 85%, 90% working interest, typically. You get some pretty impressive numbers of growth over the period.

We said Giddings next quarter is going to at least 20%. That's with partial results, really, not even a full quarter. We're going to put 11 wells on, or eight this year and three more next year as we continue to drill over the next quarter, three, four months. We've showed you 14, which are all the wells drilled. At the end of the first quarter, we're going to show you 25 wells. I don't know how much more data you need.

Umang Choudhary
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

That was helpful. Thank you.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Zach Parham with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Zach Parham
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Sure.

Zach Parham
Analyst, JPMorgan

In the past, you all talked about having some productive gassy acreage in Giddings, and you mentioned earlier in the call that two of the eight Giddings wells that'll be turned in line at 4Q will be gassier. Just given the move in the 21 strip to near $3, could you potentially drill some additional gassy wells next year? I guess just in general, can you talk Sorry, go ahead.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

That's the experiment. We're going to see how these wells do. To be candid, every time we say it's going to be gassier, it turns out to be a great oil well. We'll see if that works that way. Even the gassy wells produce a few hundred barrels a day of black oil. They're not just dependent on the $3 gas, but $3 gas certainly helps. We have a fair amount of gas-prone acreage that could be developed in the $3 area. We're proceeding cautiously. Again, the acreage isn't going anywhere. That's the purpose of drilling the two wells, to see what kind of results we get. We expect the results to be very strong.

Zach Parham
Analyst, JPMorgan

Fair enough. Thanks for that color. Just to follow up, on the recent Giddings completions on that three-well pad, can you give us some detail on how those wells are spaced and just any color on how you plan to space wells in the development program going forward?

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

They're extremely widely spaced at this time. We got unlimited acreage, and we don't really know. The goal in life is not to actually drill as many wells as possible, but as few. If I could put one well in the middle of Washington County and drain the whole county, that would actually be the ideal outcome. The goal is each well doesn't just accelerate the production, but also adds barrels. If you drill too closely, you're accelerating the production, and they interfere with each other. I think that's a mistake the industry has made over the last few years. In Giddings, we have plenty of acreage that we can space it extremely widely. The wells' productivity, if you look at the curves, is pretty good. There's no real reason to do tight spacing at this point or really any point.

We'll see how these wells produce over the next four or five years and see how the curve flattens. especially in a lower oil price environment, you really want to get the most you can out of your $6 million investment rather than do another one just to accelerate some production. We don't have the kind of issues some people have in trying to make banks happy with coverage ratios. we can be fairly thoughtful about the development program and try not to waste too much money drilling wells.

Zach Parham
Analyst, JPMorgan

Got it. Thank you, guys.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Thanks.

Operator

The next question is from Leon Cooperman with Omega Family Office. Please go ahead.

Leon Cooperman
Chairman and CEO, Omega Family Office

Yeah. Hi. I don't think I'm saying anything that you don't understand because I think you're very sophisticated. At the current strip, what would you look at as the net asset value of the company?

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Gee, I don't know.

Leon Cooperman
Chairman and CEO, Omega Family Office

Well, you have an opinion, obviously.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

I have a view. It's certainly a lot more than $4 or $5.

Leon Cooperman
Chairman and CEO, Omega Family Office

Yeah. The reason I raise the question is basically the market has been extraordinarily harsh on energy companies. It basically says they have no future. Okay?

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Right.

Leon Cooperman
Chairman and CEO, Omega Family Office

Every dollar you spend on drilling is being discounted in a significant way. If the market is right on the dim future for energy, we should basically not take the money to drill it. We should buy back our stock in aggressive fashion whenever it's selling at a material discount to NAV. I think you believe in that, but I just wanted to say, in terms of the discussion on this call about allocation of capital, it seems to me repurchased stock makes sense on only one scenario, that you're buying something back that's materially more valuable than the price you're paying for it.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Absolutely.

Leon Cooperman
Chairman and CEO, Omega Family Office

I think you believe that, you understand that, and I just wanted to encourage you that. I would reduce the drilling as long as the market is so disrespecting the energy industry.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

I agree with you, as you know. Karnes is a known area. When somebody values that, we don't need to prove that works.

Leon Cooperman
Chairman and CEO, Omega Family Office

No.

The Giddings area is different. By investing in the Giddings area, we're running under 60%, just so you know. We're now in the process of boosting the share reduction program. We're not doing it just to reduce the shares.

I think you're a smart guy, you're a large shareholder, and you understand that if you buy back stock at the wrong price, you're screwing yourself.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Yeah, right.

Leon Cooperman
Chairman and CEO, Omega Family Office

The average analyst estimate is for a price objective of $7.60, almost twice the current price of the stock. Some people have it worth double digits. I would say that if you think that those numbers are right, then the repurchase has got to be the best use of capital.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

It is, but in order to keep that $7.60 at this price, if that's the right number, the Giddings program is necessary to do that, in my opinion.

Leon Cooperman
Chairman and CEO, Omega Family Office

I got you. Well, I have a lot of confidence that you'll figure it out. You're smarter than me.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Well. I wouldn't say that.

Leon Cooperman
Chairman and CEO, Omega Family Office

Good luck anyway. Stay safe and stay healthy.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Thank you.

Leon Cooperman
Chairman and CEO, Omega Family Office

Thank you.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

You too. Thanks.

Operator

The next question is from Dun McIntosh with Johnson Rice. Please go ahead.

Dun McIntosh
Analyst, Johnson Rice

Morning, Steve. Just one more question on the recent three-well batch at Giddings. Beyond spacing, you talked about how the performance of those is exceeding what you saw in that first batch on the 70,000-acre core. Just wondering if there's any differences at a subsurface, is it a different landing zone? Have you tweaked the completion recipe? I mean, just any color there would be helpful. Thank you.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

We continue to improve the efficiency, and there's some small tweaks. The fundamental issue is when you compare these wells with the average, there were some earlier less efficient wells, whatever you want to call them, in that average, because we showed you every well. That's the large difference, principally, and there's some tweaks to make it better. We'll see how they perform over the next three or four months, too.

Dun McIntosh
Analyst, Johnson Rice

All right. Thank you. That's it for me.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Thanks.

Operator

The next question is from Steven Dechert with KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Steven Dechert
Analyst, KeyBanc

Hey, guys. Could you provide maybe some more color on what you're currently seeing in the M&A market? Just hoping to get a better sense of what we should expect here in the near term as far as emphasis on.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

There's really very little. People are afraid to buy, afraid to sell, and they have unrealistic expectations. Most of the companies, the small assets we're looking at have too much debt against them already, and so there's no net value. I think it'll be a while before that's an active part of our business.

Steven Dechert
Analyst, KeyBanc

Okay, great. Thanks. Can you just provide any rough dollar estimate for the 4Q CapEx number? I understand it's 55% of adjusted EBITDA, but just a rough number there would be great. Thanks.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

Well, you got to come up to EBITDA and multiply that number out. It's that simple. The only reason it would vary from that is if I'm unable to manage it to be right around there. It would be between 60 ±5% all the time, and we just don't really know exactly. These are small numbers to manage to.

Steven Dechert
Analyst, KeyBanc

Okay, great.

Steve Chazen
Chairman, President, and CEO, Magnolia Oil & Gas

You're saying you're accurate for $2 million, and I'm not really that accurate.

Steven Dechert
Analyst, KeyBanc

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. The conference has also now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation.