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Earnings Call: Q1 2020

May 7, 2020

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Moderna's First Quarter 2020 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. If you are part of the press or media, please disconnect at this time. Following the formal remarks, we will open the call up for your questions. Please be advised that the call is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Lavina Talukdar, Head Investor Relations at Moderna. Please proceed.

Lavina Talukdar
Head Of Investor Relations, Moderna

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Moderna's conference call to discuss our first quarter 2020 business updates and financial results. You can access the press release issued this morning, as well as the slides that we'll be reviewing by going to the Investor section of our website. Speaking on today's call are Stéphane Bancel, our CEO, Tal Zaks, our CMO, Stephen Hoge, our president, and Lorence Kim, our CFO. Before we begin, please note that this conference call will include forward-looking statements. Please see slide two of the accompanying presentation and our SEC filings for important risk factors that could cause our actual performance and results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in these forward-looking statements. We undertake no obligation to update or revise the information provided on this call as a result of new information or future results or developments.

With that, I will now turn the call over to Stéphane.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Thank you, Lavina. Good morning or good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining the call. I hope you and your families are in good health. As you know, we believe mRNA has the potential to be a new class of medicines with the opportunity to address many unmet medical needs. With medicines with higher probability of technical success, with greater speed of research and technical development versus traditional medicines, and with greater manufacturing capital efficiency and lower cost of goods than injectable recombinants. Given the unknowns of working with a new technology, we have been laser focused on managing risk, technology risk, biology risk, execution risk, and financing risk. As many of you know, 2019 was an important inflection year for Moderna. We reported clinically validating data from key programs in two of our modalities, prophylactic vaccines and systemic secreted and cell surface therapeutics.

Data that we believe fundamentally change the risk profile for each of these two modalities that we now call modalities. Our strategy is to double down in these two core modalities with many important new development candidates. We have already announced five new development candidates in these core modalities since January 13th at the JP Morgan conference. Three new development candidates in infectious disease prophylactic vaccine, two in the systemic secreted and cell surface therapeutics modality. While we focus on doubling down in core modalities, we are still very interested in understanding the potential of our mRNA technology in our current exploratory modalities: cancer vaccine, intratumoral immune oncology, localized regenerative therapeutics, and systemic intracellular therapeutics. When we think about the company, we basically have two distinct areas of focus. This is a significant point in our strategy.

We have core modalities where we want to scale and invest, and exploratory modalities that's going to be a big driver for the company's future as we await clinical data to decide the path forward. Stepping back, I would like to share with you the progress of a company toward a new class of medicines. This is a strategic plan that we shared with you in February 2020. In the early days of our company, our goal was to enter the clinic safely. We spent years investing and developing mRNA science, formulation delivery, and manufacturing technologies. The company pivoted out of that growth phase when we entered the clinic with our H10 influenza vaccine in December 2015. In the clinic, our next goal was to learn how well our technology was working or not. We explored our technology across six different modalities.

We tested 16 different molecules in the clinic in a short four-year period. In 2019, we generated important data in two of these six modalities and identified our first two core modalities, infectious disease prophylactic vaccines and systemic secreted and cell surface therapeutics. Early in the year, we entered a new phase of company development. Our goal for this next phase in our history is to file multiple BLAs while continuing our clinical programs in the four exploratory modalities and continue to invest aggressively in early research to invent new modalities such as our ongoing collaboration with Vertex. When we first presented this plan in early February this year, we had imagined that the next phase of growth of a company would have taken us three to four years. Our vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 virus, mRNA-1273, is a major acceleration of our company's development.

Today, we are very happy to announce that we received yesterday clearance from the FDA to proceed with phase II. It's just nine days from filing our IND on April 27th. The FDA gave us a green light. We intend to start the clinical trial as soon as safely possible. We will sign off this morning that we are finalizing the phase III protocol. Our aim is to start dosing the phase III in early summer 2020. This means that we have a potential for a BLA approval for mRNA-1273 in 2021. That is an acceleration of several years versus the plan we had just months ago. Moderna should be a commercial stage company in 2021. That is two to three years ahead of our previous plans we outlined just months ago. This is a unique opportunity. We are working actively to get the company ready.

To deliver on this acceleration of the company's plan, we are expanding our leadership team in areas where their expertise will be instrumental to allow us to successfully file several BLAs and be ready commercially. Today, we're announcing three new additions to leadership roles of Moderna. First, Patrick Bergstedt. Patrick joins Moderna as Senior Vice President, Commercial Vaccines. Patrick will report to me. Patrick joins from Merck & Company, where he most recently was Head of Global Marketing and Commercial Operation for the entire vaccine business at Merck. Patrick will start on June 1st. Patrick leads global initiatives. We are focused on revenue growth and access expansion. A 20+ year veteran in the biopharma industry, Patrick has held various leadership positions within infectious disease and global health at Merck in the U.S., in Europe, but also in Asia. Second, Jackie Miller. Dr. Jackie Miller.

Jackie will be joining Moderna on May 11th from GSK as Senior Vice President, Infectious Disease Development. Jackie joins the company from GSK, where she held a variety of leadership roles since 2005. Most recently, Jackie was the Vice President and Head, Clinical R&D and Epidemiology, where she built and led the clinical and epidemiology research team at the first GSK vaccine research and development center in the U.S. Third, Dr. Charbel Haber. Charbel joined Moderna on April 21st as Senior Vice President, Regulatory Affairs. Charbel joins us from Biogen, where he served as Vice President, Global Safety and Regulatory Science since 2017. In this role, he built and led the Global Regulatory Strategy Department, the Clinical Trial Application Group, and the Medical Writing Groups. Prior to Biogen, Dr. Haber was Head of Global Regulatory Affairs for Immunology and Neurology at EMD Serono.

I am very excited to welcome Patrick, Jackie, and Charbel, and look forward to their contribution at Moderna as we embark on the commercial stage phase of our companies. It is a bittersweet moment to announce today the departure from the company of Dr. Lorence Kim, our Chief Financial Officer. Lorence joined the company in 2014 when the company was private. As some of you remember, it was a pre-clinical stage company with zero development candidates. Lorence took a chance on Stephen Hoge and me, decided to leave a great job at Goldman Sachs to join us. The company is now public, with 23 development candidates and preparing its first phase III. Lorence will manage with us for a smooth transition. He will do Moderna second quarter conference call in August with us before leaving the company.

I am very thankful for Lorence's contribution over the years and for the constructive discussion he and I had about ensuring a smooth transition. There is never a good time for leadership transitions, but the company is very well capitalized with around $2.4 billion of capital to invest to create value, and we need to focus on the next phase readiness for the company to be commercial. We have retained Russell Reynolds for the search for Moderna next CFO. We will focus on a CFO who has public company and commercial and global operation experience, given this is where Moderna is heading. Before I hand over to Tal for clinical updates, I wanted to take a few minutes to frame the opportunity in our vaccine modality. We believe mRNA has the potential to be a new class of vaccines, where each of the four drivers of value apply.

We are very excited about the potential of our vaccines to drive this value. First, as we discussed, a very large opportunity, the ability to do first-in-class vaccines that do not have products on the market today to protect as many people as we can. Second, a relatively high probability of technical success. As we discussed at our vaccine day, Dr. Andrew Lo from MIT has shown that from the start of a phase II, i.e., positive phase I, to approval, vaccines have 42% probability of approval. This is the highest probability amongst all categories of medicines in clinical trial. We think this is a very important value driver for this franchise. Third, we think an important driver is speed. Speed in the labs. Given we have a platform, we can study many candidates in parallel in pre-clinical setting.

Once we pick a development candidate to take it to a clinic, we can do it very quickly, as we have shown recently with SARS-CoV-2 vaccine. Going from design of a vaccine on January 13th to injecting the first human on March 16th, in as little as 63 days. Finally, we believe the capital efficiency of our platform offers significant advantages over traditional vaccines. Because the manufacturing process to make an RNA molecule is a cell-free manufacturing process, it can have much lower CapEx than traditional recombinant protein manufacturing. The second dimension is the CapEx leverage across the value chain. For example, when we decided to go after SARS-CoV-2, we did not have to buy any new machine. Our team was able to leverage existing CapEx in a matter of days. With that overview, let me now turn over to Tal. Tal?

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

Thank you, Stéphane, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with a quick reminder on the data generated to date with our vaccines. In over 1,500 healthy volunteers and seven positive phase I data sets to date, we have observed a safety profile that's consistent with the safety of adjuvanted vaccines, and we've time and again demonstrated the ability to elicit an immune response in the form of neutralizing antibodies. I'll start with a high level progress on mRNA-1273, our vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, and will give more detail shortly. As you heard from Stéphane earlier, we have the FDA clearance to move into our phase II study, and we plan to start it shortly. This study will run in parallel with the NIH-run phase I study, which has completed enrollment of the first three dose cohorts.

Our CMV phase II dose confirmation study is fully enrolled, and we still expect data readout to come in the third quarter of this year despite having had some COVID-19 related disruptions. At our Vaccines Day on April 14th, we announced positive interim analysis of our phase I study for our Zika vaccine. At the two lower doses of 10 mcg and 30 mcg, we achieved seroconversion rates of 94% and 100%, respectively. The two higher dose cohorts of 100 mcg and 250 mcg are now fully enrolled. As a reminder, we paused our hMPV+PIV3 phase I-B study enrollment as a cautionary measure to protect children and their caregivers due to COVID-19 disruptions. Our RSV program with Merck continues. This has been covered in detail, but just to quickly base everybody on the same place.

Our SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, mRNA-1273, which was a subject of much work and discussion in the first quarter of this year, demonstrates the kind of speed that we believe the platform can provide. From first selection of a sequence by our scientists and our collaborators at NIAID on January 13, to the production of a clinical batch on February 7, 25 days later. That had been released by February 24th, and by March 4th was associated with an open IND that the NIH had filed. The strong collaboration between us and NIAID led to the trial opening within 63 days, and we've spoken about this before. On April 17th, we were awarded a contract from the U.S. government agency, BARDA, to accelerate the development. On April 27th, we announced an IND was submitted to the U.S. FDA for the phase II study.

Last Friday, we announced a collaboration with Lonza to manufacture mRNA-1273 at scale with the goal of producing up to one billion doses a year. Of course, today we announced the FDA clearance to start the phase II part. In parallel, we have been working on the phase III protocol, and we are finalizing that with a date to start the study in the summer of 2020.

The design of the phase I study is on slide 17. The study started as a 45-subject trial with three dose cohorts, 25 mcg, 100 mcg, and 250 mcg, with each participant receiving two vaccinations a month apart. These three dose cohorts have now been fully enrolled, and the safety and immunogenicity data from them will be shared when available. The NIH is expanding the trial to include two additional age cohorts, a 56 to 70-year-old cohort, and a 71 and above age cohort.

Each of these age cohorts will include three dose levels, also at 25 mcg, 100 mcg, and 250 mcg at the same vaccination schedule. In terms of the late phase development for mRNA-1273, as mentioned before, the phase II study is expected to start shortly. This study will evaluate the safety, reactogenicity, and immunogenicity of two vaccinations of mRNA-1273 given one month apart. Volunteers will receive either placebo 50 mcg or 250 mcg at both vaccinations. This study will enroll 600 healthy participants in two cohorts of adults ages 18 to 55, and 55-year-old and above. This study is meant to both increase our safety database as well as confirm the immunogenicity that we expect to see in the phase I. We are finalizing, as I said, the phase III protocol, and the study is expected to begin this summer.

Last week, Moderna Lonza announced its strategic collaboration with the goal to enable manufacturing of up to one billion doses a year, and this is assuming a dose of 50 mcg. Technology transfer is expected to begin this June, and we anticipate the first batches of mRNA-1273 to be manufactured at Lonza's U.S. sites in July of this year. I would be remiss not to mention BARDA's role in this. The BARDA award is allowing for us to move as quickly as we are with scale-up, both internally and with Lonza. Moving on to CMV. Slide 20 reviews our late-stage development plans for CMV. As previously announced, the phase II dose confirmation study is fully enrolled, and we remain on track for data readout in the third quarter of 2020. Importantly, greater than 70% of participants have now received their second vaccine dose.

A protocol amendment was submitted to extend the timeframe for the remaining participants to receive their second dose as well. As a reminder, we plan to select a dose for the phase III after the first interim analysis, which is the data post the second vaccination. We continue to prepare for the phase III, which is intended to start in 2021 in the U.S. and Europe. During the first quarter of 2020, we also received constructive feedback from a type C CMC meeting that we've had with the FDA. Moving on to mRNA-1893, our Zika vaccine program, let me recap on slide 24 the data that we recently presented at our Vaccines Day, where we reported an interim analysis of the ongoing phase I trial.

This study has demonstrated fairly benign safety profile consistent with what we've seen before for other vaccines, and at the two lower doses of 10 mcg and 30 mcg after a two-dose vaccination regimen priming boost, the seroconversion rates were 94% and 100% respectively. The data are encouraging, and we are preparing to move forward with this program into a phase II trial. The exploratory modalities are a critical part of our strategy, and we continue to make up a significant part of what we do in the clinic. On slide 26, you see a full. If you scan the page, you'll see many readouts and catalysts from each of the programs, both from our core modalities as well as the exploratory ones. With that, let me now turn the call over to Lorence.

Lorence Kim
CFO, Moderna

Thank you, Tal. Let me first cover an update on the Vertex agreement. In July 2016, we entered into a strategic collaboration and licensing agreement with Vertex aimed at discovery and development of potential mRNA medicines for the treatment of cystic fibrosis, or CF, by enabling cells in the lungs of people with CF to potentially produce functional CFTR proteins. In July 2019, the initial research term was extended by six months, and based upon promising preclinical data generated in March of 2020, we were pleased that Vertex elected to extend this collaboration for a further 18 months. Now let me turn to financial results. In today's press release, we reported our first quarter 2020 financial results. Note that these results are unaudited.

We raised approximately $550 million in net proceeds from the February public equity offering, which resulted in us ending Q1 2020 with cash equivalents, and investments of $1.72 billion. This compares to $1.26 billion at the end of 2019. Net cash used in operating activities was $106 million for the first quarter of 2020 compared to $144 million in 2019. just as a reminder, that latter number includes an in-licensing payment of $22 million, which will not recur. Cash used for purchases of property and equipment was $6 million for the first quarter of 2020, compared to $8 million in 2019. Revenue for the first quarter of 2020 was $8 million, compared to $16 million in 2019.

This decrease of $8 million in revenue was mainly due to cumulative catch-up adjustments resulting from changes in our estimated costs for our future performance obligations, coupled with the timing of amortization of deferred revenue due to the satisfaction of our performance obligations. R&D expenses for the first quarter of 2020 were $115 million, compared to $130 million in 2019. The decrease of $15 million in R&D was mainly driven by a decrease in lab supplies and materials and clinical trial and manufacturing costs, partially offset by personnel-related costs. G&A expenses for the first quarter of 2020 were $24 million, compared to $27 million in Q1 2019. This decrease of $3 million was primarily attributable to decreases in legal and other consulting and outside services spend. The net loss for Q1 of 2020 was $124 million, compared to $133 million in Q1 2019.

I'll turn now to what we expect for the remainder of 2020. If you look at our cash flow line items, you can see our cash used in operating activities and purchases of property and equipment by quarter are laid out here. In Q1 of 2020, we used $112 million of cash on these two items, which is in line with our expectations. If you go back to Q1 2019, we used $152 million of cash on these two items. Remember again, that number included that licensing payment. Overall, you can see the decline in our quarter-over-quarter cash use for these items through Q4 2019 with a slight uptick in Q1 2020. Consistent with our initial 2020 guidance, which we issued back in November, we expect our 2020 net cash used in operating activities and purchases of property and equipment to be approximately $500 million.

While we have seen parts of our spend slow down as a result of the impact of COVID-19, such as certain clinical trial expenses and laboratory supplies, we are also investing in preparedness for the late-stage development and potential BLA filing for our COVID vaccine. That results in bringing our cash flow guidance back to its original levels. We recognize that much of our COVID vaccine spend is covered by the BARDA award. Note that the award is not cash upfront, but rather reimbursement as expenses are incurred. We do expect to incur significant expenses this year in relation to that BARDA award, but we expect in general a matching of expenses and reimbursements. Let's drill down next on our balance sheet strength and the composition of the $2.4 billion of cash and available funding we have to invest and create value.

We ended Q1 2020 with cash equivalents, and investments of $1.72 billion. On April 16th of 2020, we entered into an agreement with BARDA to accelerate development of our mRNA vaccine candidate against the novel coronavirus for funding of up to $483 million, of which $430 million has been committed. Additionally, we are fortunate to have established strategic alliances with private and government-sponsored organizations, including the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, DARPA and another BARDA award comprising additional available funding of $180 million. Together, this creates multiple years of cash runway, considering the cash guidance that we shared today, and a strong ability to invest for the long run in many aspects of the business. The next slide shows our pipeline and the programs through the various phases of development with a snapshot here.

Before I turn it back to Stéphane, let me just reiterate an important point from my announcement departure this morning, which is that I expect to seamlessly transition my responsibilities through August. I'll make a brief remark now. First of all, I'm so grateful to have been invited to be a part of this company. What an opportunity to contribute to Moderna's mission of turning mRNA into a new class of medicines. I joined the company six years ago, at the time when the story was nascent, the future was full of unknowns. I'm leaving now as the company has multiple BLAs on the horizon, with 23 important new potential medicines in the pipeline, and I believe many more to come. We've invested heavily in the platform to establish the scientific foundations of this new class of medicines, and the team is growing with unbelievable new talent.

I'm personally most proud of the financial foundation we've built to enable the company to invest appropriately in the business. It's been energizing and motivating to partner with Stéphane, the board, this executive team, and the passionate Moderna employee base. For me, I'm eager to take the next step in my career, which will be to stay close to innovation and biotech, but not as a company executive. I'll look forward to sharing more about those plans at an appropriate time down the road with many of you on this call. With that, I'll turn it over to Stéphane for closing remarks.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Lorence, thanks again for not only your remarks, but having you as my partner for those six years, it has been quite a incredible ride. On slide 34, let me close by giving you a quick update where the company stands today, starting with our pipeline. It's exciting to see that today we have two candidates for which we are preparing for phase III: our CMV vaccine and our SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. We have now six candidates that are either in phase II or preparing for phase II. 12 phase I programs and 11 positive phase I readouts. What an acceleration since our IPO in December 2018. Our programs are very exciting. We have seven first-in-class vaccines, where there are no approved vaccines on the market against those viruses. Most of these vaccine candidates have multi-billion dollar annual peak sales opportunity.

As we shared at our vaccine day presentation, we believe our innovative vaccines are going to be a very large business for Moderna, with long-term annuity-like opportunities at a high EBIT margin. We also have five exciting immuno-oncology programs that are all in the clinic, that are all combined with a commercial checkpoint. Four rare disease program and two autoimmune disease programs. The company has never been stronger. Look at our foundations. We have now dosed more than 1,900 healthy volunteers and patients in our studies. The team is strong and getting stronger every month. We now have more than 900 employees who care deeply about our mission and are proud and energized by our progress and the meaning of their work. Last week, with the Lonza agreement, our manufacturing capabilities has changed league.

We not only have our fully integrated GMP site in Massachusetts, who many of you know and have visited, but we've added a strategic partnership with Lonza that can enable us to up to one billion doses annually for our vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, but also other product in our pipeline as we need to. We have great partners with AstraZeneca, Merck, and Vertex. I am very proud of the scientific progress that the team of Stephen Hoge and Melissa Moore have done in the work with Vertex over the last few years, and we are very pleased that Vertex decided to expand the relationship with Moderna. We're also very thankful for our partnership we've had over the years with BARDA, DARPA, CEPI, and the Gates Foundation.

Of course, we are very thankful for the latest partnership with BARDA, $483 million, to enable us to do the right clinical study as fast as we can, of course, focusing on safety first for the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine. Of course, we are well capitalized with up to $2.4 billion to invest in the business and continue to be the leading mRNA company in the world. We are very thankful for our investors, for their trust and partnership as we build this unique company. We're energized by the opportunity ahead of us to build a new class of medicines. We are currently accelerating our development pipeline and readying the company to potentially file its first BLA for mRNA-1273, which will be, as you can appreciate, a historic moment for the company.

We're investing in the processes to get us there, to get the right foundations for potentially many additional BLAs in the future, starting with the Zika vaccine and CMV vaccines behind the SARS-CoV-2 mRNA-1273. We are already scaling up the organization to address the need to supply up to a billion doses for potentially first vaccine mRNA-1273. All those efforts, investments, and processes will be very enabling for additional vaccines and therapeutics to come. I have never been as excited and optimistic about the future of Moderna in the last nine years. We are humbled and excited by the opportunity to bring forward a new class of medicines for patients. That has been our North Star since we started the company.

I would like to thank the great team of Moderna employees working very hard every day, and literally many of them seven days a week now since January, to fight the SARS-CoV-2 virus. I would like to thank the many people who participate in our clinical studies, including patients, healthy volunteers, physicians, and nurses. I'd like to recognize all our partners that work with us to share our vision and helping us to achieve this vision to help patients. With that, we're now happy to take any questions. Operator?

Operator

Certainly. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound or hash key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from Matthew Harrison of Morgan Stanley. Please ask your question.

Matthew Harrison
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess, first, you've highlighted the 50 mcg dose on the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine. I think Dr. Fauci in his interview also talked about good responses in low doses in animals. Can you just talk about your confidence in being able to move forward and elicit the right kind of immune response with the low dose as opposed to the other doses that you're testing? Secondly, can you just update us on where the field is in figuring out what neutralizing antibody titers are, and if you think they'll be available by the time you report initial data from the phase I study? Thanks.

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

This is Tal. Hi, Matthew. Let me take that question. Two spot on things that we're looking at. first of all, 50 mcg is our current best guess. This is short of data, and it's based, as you've seen Tony Fauci's remark on what we expect the platform could deliver. That being said, the final dose selection will really be a factor of, I think, three elements. The first is the overall sense of a dose response of how much more do you get as you go up in dose. Because in the case of a pandemic, we obviously need to balance this with having enough doses available. you don't want to unnecessarily overshoot. The second element is an understanding of what that dose could mean as you compare to convalescents serum.

There's a lot of work being done on assay validation, and I'll get back to that in a minute, to understand what any given level of antibodies mean. The last element that I think will enable us to connect the dots is understanding the performance of the vaccine in additional animal models of SARS-CoV-2, and then seeing commensurate with the expected ability to protect those animals what levels of titers do we get. Obviously, the higher the species, the more reliable that data is. Ultimately, what we care about is being able to connect the dots for human disease. Long story short, it's a best guess estimate for now, and based on the emerging data, and we will continue to refine it as more data comes in.

Your question about the right kind of immune response, look, I think the data we've seen to date, both across the clinical trials, across the experience that we have in the preclinical models, across the board, as I mentioned in all the other clinical trials, we've routinely reported neutralizing antibodies as the measure of immunological success. If you think about the kind of scientific first principles of how an mRNA technology presents an antigen from within the cell and mimics the instruction set that a virus would otherwise give the cell to make an antigen, we get the right kind of immune response, however you want to characterize it, neutralizing antibody, TH1 versus TH2, et cetera. The emerging data that we're seeing preclinically with mRNA-1273 is all consistent with that. Your final question on neutralizing antibodies, yes, those assays are being stood up as we speak.

They're being validated. They're being transferred to commercial vendors. The NIAID is actively looking that in parallel with the simpler types of binding antibodies. We expect to be able to report both kinds of data when we see the data from that phase I.

Matthew Harrison
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Thanks for the thorough answer.

Operator

Your next question comes from Cory Kasimov of JP Morgan. Please ask your question.

Cory Kasimov
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thanks for taking my questions. I've got two of them for you as well. I guess, first, can you talk more about what the phase III COVID vaccine design might look like? There's obviously nothing traditional about this program, so how should we be thinking about kind of like the endpoints, interim analyses, and amount of follow-up you think you need for either emergency use authorization or full approval? My second question for you is also regarding COVID-19. There have been some conflicting reports out there on emerging mutations with the virus. Be very interested to hear your views on this and what it could potentially mean for the effectiveness of your vaccine. Thanks a lot.

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

Thanks, Cory. This is Tal. I'll take those questions. Look, the phase III design, let me make a couple points. Any pivotal trial in order to demonstrate efficacy as well as safety has to be placebo-controlled and large enough so that among the people that you will vaccinate, there will, by chance, occur cases, right? It's a case-driven design, and you set your statistics based on what you expect to see and how many cases you expect to see in the placebo, and then how many fewer cases do you expect the vaccine to demonstrate. Now, any such trial to be effective depends on three things. How big it is when you start, how good are you at predicting the attack rate in the population that you vaccinate, because if it's a case-driven design, then we can vaccinate a whole lot of people.

If they end up over the months to come not being exposed to the risk of an infection, then we won't know whether the vaccine worked. The third element is how good our vaccine are, is because the higher the point estimate for the vaccine efficacy, the clearer the results are and the sooner you can find them. Somewhere between those parameters, we are going to have to have a conversation that's ongoing between us, our collaborators at NIAID, at the NIH, and ultimately, FDA. The length of follow-up here and how soon can we see the data, I think is a function of all those design elements, as well as where you sort of set the bar for cases, and what expected benefit is.

Now you asked an interesting question on where does EUA come into this, where does approval and what kind of interim data one could expect. I think as you get closer to it, my sense is that we're not looking at a binary event in the sense that one day we know nothing, and the next day it's suddenly available for everybody. I think as we learn more about the potential benefit, first based on phase I and II and potentially surrogate data in animal models, and understanding what those levels could mean from convalescent serum, we will gain more confidence as to the potential benefit of this vaccine. We will still not be talking about an approval. We will not have a full safety database. You start to generate an anticipation of potential benefit. In the context of a raging pandemic, I think that's important.

The next step of data is then to get a sense that the vaccine is safe when given to a larger group of individuals, both healthy people who are older with comorbidities, and we need to go and build that safety database in the appropriate placebo-controlled I mentioned. The final piece is then to actually demonstrate clinical utility benefit. That requires to have an endpoint that's meaningful. I think the two endpoints that are relevant for thinking about a pivotal trial are going to be COVID-19 disease. However you define disease, the appropriate symptomatology, severity, and having a microbiological confirmation. Of course, infection per se is also a relevant endpoint because we know that asymptomatic people, even if they themselves are asymptomatic, if you can prevent infection, you will, on a population basis, actually prevent others from getting infected and them being sick.

There's a benefit to society here of preventing infection, even if less so to the individual vaccinee. Between the disease endpoint and infection endpoint, I think that's where you're going to see the pivotal trials in this space emerge. I hope that answers your question on the design. As we get closer to it and we lock it down with the NIH and the FDA, we will, of course, be describing it in public. Your question regarding the emerging mutations, we're all following that closely. I would make two points here. Number one, so far from what we've seen, none of the mutations that have been described are expected to significantly interfere with binding or neutralizing activities of antibodies generated to the full-length spike protein. Here I would remind you that our mRNA-1273 actually encodes for the full-length spike protein.

I think the mutation that everybody kind of saw last week had to do with potentially increased transmissibility. That mutation doesn't necessarily alter the critical neutralizing binding domains as we understand them. We're clearly watching this area closely like everybody else to assess the potential impact. The second point I'd say sort of with a more longer-term vision, should such a mutation arise and be relevant for the immunity of the population that's been exposed or the effectiveness of any vaccine, I would contend that actually our platform is going to be uniquely suited to address that for two reasons. Number one is, as we've demonstrated, you can move very fast based on just understanding the sequence of a new mutation, and you immediately generate a vaccine against it.

Importantly, as you look to the future, one could envision a world where if we've demonstrated efficacy and benefit against this virus and the appropriate randomized controlled trials. If there's a slight mutation and you alter the vaccine to kind of chase the virus, the path to approval and expected benefit for the next one should be much quicker. You can think of the way the world has evolved to deal with flu mutations, whereby as soon as there's a new sequence, that sequence is actually put into production and millions of doses of vaccine are generated. You don't need to replicate the entire phase I through III development path every time there's a minor mutation, once you've established the platform.

As I look to the future, I think we're in a very good place from the fundamentals of our platform, to envision that sort of response to any rising mutations.

Cory Kasimov
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. Thanks for the thorough responses and great to see the impressive progress you guys are making.

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

Thanks, Cory.

Operator

Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time, please press star one on your telephone. Your next question comes from Ted Tenthoff of Piper. Please ask your question.

Lavina Talukdar
Head Of Investor Relations, Moderna

Ted, you might be on mute. Operator, we'll come back to Ted. Can we go to the next question, please?

Operator

Yes. Your next question comes from Salveen Richter of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Hello?

Salveen Richter
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hello. Where you're looking at challenging animal models and then examining the antibody levels in humans. A second question around with regard to supply and demand constraints, is the Lonza partnership really just kind of where you, I guess, are you going to expand beyond that to kind of handle demand and supply?

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

This is Tal. Let me try and take your first question. I think you got cut off, but if I understood you correctly, you asked whether we're running animal challenge models and whether we will be able to connect the dots between those and what we see in human vaccinees. I think the answer is yes. That work is ongoing. It's been done in close collaboration with Barney Graham's team at the VRC of the NIH. The assay development work that is ongoing is being deployed so that we are able to connect the dots between the challenge models, convalescent serum, and the serum that we eventually expect to see from people who've been vaccinated. I hope that answers that question, Salveen. Let me turn it over to Juan or Stéphane to talk about the Lonza question.

Juan Andres
Chief Technical Operations and Quality Officer, Moderna

Hello, this is Juan Andres, Chief Clinical Operations and Quality Officer in Moderna. Let me take the second question that you have. Lonza brings an incredible track record in supporting and manufacturing products worldwide. Lonza's capacity, together with the capacity that we have in our site in Massachusetts, and the capability, will be a great help for Moderna scaling up and also producing the quantities. We are going to manufacture together with Lonza, the formulated bulk, and I expect that we will have more partnership with existing CMOs for fill finish, and distribution, and if needed, with new ones. Thank you.

Salveen Richter
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Ted Tenthoff with Piper. Please ask your question.

Ted Tenthoff
Analyst, Piper Sandler

Great. Thank you. Can you hear me okay?

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Yes.

Ted Tenthoff
Analyst, Piper Sandler

Great. Sorry about that before. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for all of the hard work. It's been just an incredible run during this last couple weeks here, and the company's really risen to the challenges. Lorence, it's been so nice working with you, and I'm wishing you all the best, too. My question actually has to do with CMV. I know you guys have talked about sort of the challenges just with getting the final data sets and the final doses and all those things. I wanted to see if there's an update on that and whether or not there's any changes to the expectation for data in the third quarter. Also how this general progress and investment in the vaccine platform will really help what you're doing in CMV. Thanks so much.

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

Thanks, Ted, for the kind words. This is Tal. Let me try and take maybe both of those questions, and Stéphane can add on. On CMV, I believe we remain on track, and you can do the simple math here. If we've already vaccinated over 70% of people with the second dose, and it's that critical post second dose interim analysis that should confirm our dose for phase III. If you recall the data from the phase I with much smaller numbers of subjects, we had pretty tight error bars and a pretty good understanding of the dose-response curve. Now, with the much larger study, even if it ran into some sort of difficulty because of COVID-19, we're going to be more than powered to understand the immunogenicity.

The size was really driven not just by the need to understand the immunogenicity, but also to validate the safety profile that we see here. I'm confident that with the numbers of people that we managed to get into the second dose, the amendment of the protocol, as mentioned, for the remaining less than 30% that we will stay on track, as we've discussed before, to have the data and be able to move on. Our plans for phase III continue and remain fully on track for CMV. Your question on how it's preparing the platform. I'll give you sort of a brief answer from a perch of maybe medical and development, and then I'll let Stéphane talk as it relates to the company becoming sort of moving to its commercial life phase. The COVID experience is doing really three things for us.

It is accelerating our understanding of the safety and immunogenicity at a much wider level for the platform, sort of the leading edge of data, if you will. I expect that the ability to run a large placebo-controlled trial and expand the safety database at a much more rapid manner than we had so far in phase I will be informative for all of us as to the performance of this platform. Here I sort of speak as a chief medical officer with a keen eye on the safety profile of our platform. So far, we've seen nothing unexpected, and it's all been sort of consistent across the application. Of course, a database of 1,500 subjects will benefit greatly when we go into thousands with COVID.

The second element has to do with expanding our capabilities, building up a development team that can integrate and build a BLA file, building up our competencies on the regulatory front, the pharmacovigilance front, et cetera. All of that ahead of a large phase III effort on CMV, I think is a tremendous benefit for us. I'll let Stéphane speak to all the other elements where this is accelerating the progress of our company.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Thanks, Tal. Morning, Ted. I would just add a few things. I think Tal started to allude to it, which is the power of a platform which really create some very powerful network effects, where if you take an example of something new we shared today, which is we had a positive Type C meeting last quarter around CMV for CMC, so for manufacturing. As you can appreciate, this dialogue we had with the agency around CMV phase III is going to be very instrumental in helping us on the phase III for SARS-CoV-2, mRNA-1273. Because of the urgency that the agency has, we've had an amazing dialogue with the FDA. The responsiveness seven days a week. They're very engaged. They're very willing to find every way to shave a day from a process without making any shortcut on safety, obviously.

For this BLA process that we should be able to go through, in the next months, both on the clinical side and also on the manufacturing side, this access to the agency, this ability to ask questions, to get clarification quickly, will really help us really build that capability within the team, but also the processes, all the digital infrastructure in term of data gathering, which is critical both on clinical and on CMC. You're going to be able to use that very quickly, on Zika, on CMV. I think that's going to be very powerful of a network effect, I think, at some time underappreciated, because, most companies, as you know, do not have platforms.

Whereas here, because mRNA being an information molecule, there's really an ability to make Moderna very robust and to take it to the next level, so that what we do on SARS-CoV-2 BLA-wise can be replicated much faster and much stronger on Zika, CMV, and all the other programs. I think these are same things around commercial. With the arrival of Patrick, we are going to build very rapidly commercial infrastructure. We'll give you updates on that in the coming months.

As you can appreciate, all that work that's going to happen very quickly on COVID will help us on the other products, not only at the company branding standpoint, because as you appreciate, the Moderna brand has been transformed in the last few months because of the results that the team has been able to accomplish, but also at the product level, at the scientific level, at the clinical level. I think the momentum of Moderna is going to be extremely strong and extremely enabled by the SARS-CoV-2 BLA filing process.

Ted Tenthoff
Analyst, Piper Sandler

That's super helpful. Thank you very much.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Thanks, Ted.

Operator

Thank you once again. To ask a question, you will need to press star one on your telephone. Your next question comes from Yasmeen Rahimi, ROTH Capital Partners. Please ask your question.

Yasmeen Rahimi
Analyst, ROTH Capital Partners

Hi, team. Thank you for the continued amazing progress that you're making day over day. Two quick questions for you. The first question is related to, how are you defining age cutoff that in the phase II you mentioned there will be a cohort of patients who are 55 and above. Is there maybe a range above which you're not going to be going after? Is there going to be a cohort among the phase II, and as you're thinking about phase III, that are healthy but are at highest risk, given that maybe they have obesity or cardiovascular disease? How are we thinking about this patient population that are at the highest risk to incorporate that into the phase II and phase III enrollment? The second question is in regards to manufacturing.

If you could help us understand what is the single largest unknown when it comes to scaling up mRNA therapeutics? Thank you for taking our question.

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

Hi, this is Tal. Let me start by answering the clinical ones, and then I'll let Juan take the manufacturing question. In our phase II, there is no upper limits. I think above 55, you've seen the NIH phase I sort of parse it out a little bit more finely. I think for us, we're going to take all comers above 55 with no upper age limit. In terms of your question on cohorts at higher risk for disease should they get infected, this relates to both the elderly and people with distinct comorbidities. As we build a safety database, obviously, we need to get there, but get there responsibly. I think the phase II, the initial sort of expansion into larger numbers is people that do not have a high risk of disease should they get infected.

In the phase III, we will clearly then open it up, and we will do that in a manner that's responsible and takes the appropriate interim looks to make sure that we expand into that population who needs it the most in a way that's careful. That's an ongoing discussion, obviously, between us, NIAID, and FDA, how to best achieve that goal. Let me let Juan take your manufacturing question.

Juan Andres
Chief Technical Operations and Quality Officer, Moderna

Okay, thanks for the question. Obviously, one of the unknowns we've discussed before, which is the assumptions associated with dose. In terms of the industrialization of the product, obviously, we're working very hard between bringing the equipment, bringing the raw materials, bringing the people capabilities together as we scale up. I don't think it is a very single unknown in dose. We have done this before, probably not at the scale at which we are going. Having the partnership with Lonza gives me a tremendous confidence that we are going to be doing this very rapidly. Obviously, speed is of the essence. Bringing these three things together is what it's all about, and that's what we are doing.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Yes. Maybe, Yasmeen, just to add something. We are extremely fortunate to have Juan and his leadership team. As you know, he and the team have all come from large organizations. They have managed very large manufacturing complex organizations. They have a lot of experience. They know that every extra million dose we can get out of our system will be helping a lot of people. I'm very thankful for the team. They are literally working seven days a week, pulling all-nighters to shave every day we can, so that we can really maximize the monthly output of the system. I'm tremendously thankful for them.

Yasmeen Rahimi
Analyst, ROTH Capital Partners

Thank you, Stéphane, and so are we. We're very grateful for all the work that everyone at Moderna is doing on behalf of humanity.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Geoff Meacham of Bank of America. Please ask your question.

Speaker 15

Hey, guys. This is Alec on for Geoff. Thanks for taking our question. Lorence, we're sorry to see you go, but assume you're moving on to bigger and better things. My question is on capital allocation in the near term. You reiterated your 2020 expense guidance, but I was hoping you could give a bit more color on the gives and takes within that, vis-a-vis OpEx versus CapEx, and how much manufacturing build-out and commercial readiness activities for COVID-19 are reflected within that. My second question is on the commercialization front. Do you intend to take the vaccine forward yourselves, or do you think it will take partnering to deliver it at scale, or would the U.S. government potentially step in as well? Any color you can give here, and if there's some historical context you could point to, that would be great. Thanks.

Lorence Kim
CFO, Moderna

Hey, Alec, it's Lorence. Let me handle the financial question. With respect to the guidance and the components, so as I mentioned around sort of the pre-COVID business, if you will, I'd mentioned that we're seeing a bit of a slowdown in expenses, OpEx, related to lab work and some of the clinical trials as we've noted. Those expenses will be coming down relative to what we thought when we originally set out guidance. The offset is investments that we are making to be ready for all that's coming down the road. We've mentioned this, the rapid acceleration of the COVID vaccine timelines, and there's a lot that we need to do as a company to be ready for potentially being commercial in 2021. Those offset, we will continue to update you all as we scope those investments and as we move forward.

With respect to CapEx, it is not a huge component here right now of the anticipated budget, mainly because of the leverage we've got in the platform as well as the benefit of having a great partner like Lonza on board. again, we'll continue to update that guidance should anything change. the last thing I would just reiterate is that there is substantial OpEx expected with respect to the COVID vaccine work being funded by BARDA, the clinical development at scale-up, but that will be paid for by BARDA reimbursed on a very rapid cycle time. that's why I mentioned that there would be this matching of expense and reimbursement through the course of the year, and that would substantially offset.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Yes. Thanks, Lorence. Alec, on commercialization, as you can appreciate, as we've said before, with the case of CMV, we do not anticipate having the capability and investing to sell the products in other 40 countries. For SARS-CoV-2, I think it's important to think about the product in two different time horizon. There is a pandemic phase, in which obviously we all are, and then we believe as a company, there is an opportunity for this product in the endemic phase, because we do not believe this virus is going away. For the pandemic phase, it's going to be mostly a partnership with governments. In that case, you don't have to necessarily manage a complex set of potential buyers, because we're going to be, as we discussed, at the global level across the industry, we're going to be supply-constrained for some time.

Which is why, as we've said publicly many times, we are rooting for everybody who is working on the vaccine. We are hoping that many vaccines are going to a finish line. Because if you think about it, there are actually very few companies that have both the manufacturing scale that is required for the task ahead and are already in the clinic, meaning they can have a short to midterm impact with their vaccine. In my opinion, there are just a couple of companies that have those two things. If you think about it, in a very supply-constrained world in 2021, it's gonna be mostly partnering with governments so that they will do the allocation in the different geographies. We do not intend, for example, in the U.S., to decide who gets the vaccine. That will not be appropriate.

we intend to continue our partnership with the U.S. government, like we've already done with NIAID and Dr. Tony Fauci team for a few years as you know, in the clinic more recently, with BARDA, and eventually, I assume the CDC, to be able to supply to the U.S. government the doses for them to decide the allocation that makes sense for the country.

Speaker 15

Great. Thank you, and congrats on the rapid progress.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Alan Carr of Needham & Company. Please ask your question.

Alan Carr
Analyst, Needham & Company

Hi, and thanks for taking my questions, and congratulations on your progress. I got a couple of them. In your increased focus and success with vaccines, are you able to accelerate or what sort of extra emphasis are you putting on these early-stage vaccine programs? Can you give us an update on 1545 and 1189, your RSV and EBV programs that are internal? How are those moving along? I know you don't give high-res info on timelines, but to the extent you can. The other question is around your COVID-19 program. To what extent is it feasible to have even an interim analysis of your planned phase III trial in 2020? Thanks.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Let me start maybe with your first question on EBV and RSV pediatric. As you know, we do not guide on programs' timelines. The team is working on advancing those important vaccines as fast as possible. We have given no timelines, and we will not give timelines. On the return, as you appreciated over the quarters, to give timelines when we get closer to late-stage development. especially with the SARS-CoV-2, given the pandemic and given the suffering around the world, we think it's important to communicate our best plans. I hope everybody appreciate that when we say we aim to start a phase III early summer, this is the best possible physical plan. Fifty things can derail that. for the early programs, we are not communicating. Tal, you want to take the COVID interim data question?

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

Yeah. It's a good question. I believe we should be able to have a sense of the cases and a potential early look by the end of the year. Again, that is a function of how soon can we start, how big the trial is, and how good are we at immunizing people who are then at risk for cases occurring. Because, as I mentioned, it will end up being a case-driven design to be able to analyze it. We'll share the details and the expectations once we lock down the design with our partners and vet it with the agency.

Alan Carr
Analyst, Needham & Company

Do you expect this to be just a U.S. trial or would you go global? I guess another just follow-up to this is, I mean, as we talk about the possibility of a larger trial with multiple vaccines, are you contemplating that, too? Or is the trial that you're planning to phase III just a Moderna versus Moderna candidate versus the placebo.

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

Yeah. Let me take both questions in turn. This first pivotal trial is going to be a partnership with NIAID, with the NIH. It will be, at this stage, either a sole or predominantly U.S. trial. We're in parallel looking at opportunities to launch parallel pivotal trials in Europe and globally, because I think ultimately the more data we have here, the wiser we will be. I think, can you please remind me your second question?

Alan Carr
Analyst, Needham & Company

Well, I think you answered it. I was wondering if you were contemplating a trial, if the government was contemplating a trial with.

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

Oh, right. The multi-arm trial.

Alan Carr
Analyst, Needham & Company

Different vaccines.

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

Yeah. there's been a lot of talk about that, both on the WHO side as well as the NIH. As you can clearly intuit, it's not front and center in my brain for two reasons. First is we expect to be the first one out there for a pivotal trial, and so we just have to get on and demonstrate our trial, our vaccine's potential. The second one is more fundamental. I think it is important for the field to use more or less case where it actually makes sense to run many vaccines in a single trial. It's not like we're lacking for volunteers who would line up to be immunized and understand the benefit of a vaccine.

Frankly, the epidemic is so unpredictable in where it shows up, to what degree, and how it comes down, that there is no expectation of a consistency of attack rate over time that would make that add any scientific value. For my, this is a personal opinion here, I question the merits of that design from a scientific and a public health need perspective. I think what's critical here is that for every vaccine candidate, as Stéphane alluded to, we're going to need more than one of them, but it matters less whether there's a few percent difference on the apparent estimate of the point efficacy.

What matters is you know it works and you're able to scale it up and make it available to those who need it the most.

Alan Carr
Analyst, Needham & Company

Okay, thanks very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from Gobind Singh, as BMO. Please ask your question.

Gobind Singh
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Hi, everyone. This is Gobind on for George. Thanks for taking our questions. Two on 1273. The first one would be, can you help us understand if there's any profit share agreements in place with any other parties, including the NIH, around the vaccine? Just how do you guys see the commercial landscape evolving with so many other vaccine candidates in development? Just to follow up maybe with NIAID's comments about their preclinical results that they saw. I understand they're probably doing their studies separate from you guys, but maybe you can help us understand what kind of preclinical results you've seen and when might this data be presented. That'd be really helpful. Thanks a lot.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Yeah. It's Stephane. I'm going to start, and then the team might take the pieces I drop. As Tal said, there's preclinical work being done both in our labs and at the NIAID, in Dr. Tony Fauci's team. As soon as there is a body of data that makes scientific sense and is complete and holistic, we intend to publish that work. As soon as it's public, you'll be aware. In terms of the profit share, we have not disclosed previously any arrangement, so I will not comment on this one. What was your other question?

Gobind Singh
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

The commercial landscape and how other coronavirus vaccines are developing.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Yeah. Thank you. On the commercial landscape, as I briefly mentioned a few minutes ago, as you know, there are 100+ , last time I checked on Wikipedia, vaccine candidates being worked on around the world. The thing I think that are important is manufacturing scale and where are those projects in research or a clinic. As I said a few minutes ago, I believe that the project at this stage in research with a group that doesn't have the ability to do tens of millions of doses per month ramping up to hundreds of millions per month is not going to be able to have a big dent on this pandemic.

if you use those two as a screen, which is what we do, I think you end up with very few number of players that have, again, a chance in the 2021 timeframe to have an impact on this. Obviously, like always in drug development, not every candidate is going to get to the finish line. I could also anticipate that once a few vaccines are in late stage or commercially approved, a lot of the early projects might just stop investing because we are deploying capital and talent for something that might have no commercial end. I think while there's a lot of people on the start lane, my sense is very few are going to get to the finish line. With manufacturing scale, that matters. One or two million doses a year is not going to be very helpful at the global scale.

Gobind Singh
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thank you for your help with all the progress here.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Justin Kim with Oppenheimer. Please ask your question.

Hartaj Singh
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Great. Hi, this is actually Hartaj on for Justin. One thing first, Lorence, thank you so very much. It was a real pleasure working with you. Look forward to seeing you again sometime in the future. Secondly, just to Moderna, for all the work that you're doing, I think a lot of people really don't understand just the compression of the timeline that you and the government are engaging in. It's really a thing of beauty, knock on wood. Two questions. One is on manufacturing and a second on regulatory strategy worldwide. On manufacturing, if you could just talk a little bit about going from clinical to commercial batches. I know you've talked, Stéphane, about going from millions to tens of millions to now billions with Lonza. Can you just talk broadly about the timing?

When can you go from that clinical, I know you've mentioned that Lonza will start manufacturing first batches in July, and how that maps against the BLA that you'll be starting to file. Secondly, on regulatory strategy. Japan just approved remdesivir. I guess the EU is going through an approval process, a fast approval process for remdesivir. How are you thinking of the worldwide approval strategy aside from the United States, where it's going to file the BLA towards the end of the year? Thank you for the question.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Yeah. Hartaj, good morning. Let me maybe start quickly on manufacturing. We have not done and not shared precise output per month. What we've said is that given we're ramping up both Norwood, which we said could do up to 100 million doses per year at the 50 mcg dose, and then the Lonza side, as you can appreciate, every month this year, every month next year, the output per month is going to increase. The team is working as hard as they can because they do understand, trust me, that every extra 100,000 vial we get out of the system will protect more people, we will slow down the spread of this virus. It's not a linear process where you start now at 100 million doses per month. Of course not.

It's just going to be an up-direction process, which is why this dialogue with the government in terms of allocation, and we're going to be hand to mouth for quite some time where as soon as product is made and QC'd will go to the government, and then they will decide how they allocate it, and we'll just kind of be on a regular basis. Tal, you want to take the regulatory question again?

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

Yes. Thanks, Stéphane, and thanks, Hartaj, for the question. Look, we're in active dialogue now with regulators beyond the U.S. I think having the partnership with Lonza is a huge enabler to envision the ability to scale up and eventually supply the vaccine on a global footprint to those who need it the most. That will take shape over the coming weeks and months. The expectation I have is that we will do more than one trial to demonstrate the benefit. That being said, at a certain point, once you have data, both for potential benefit and ultimately for benefit, by and large, that data should be applicable for filing in other territories. We're actively mapping it out, and our intent is absolutely to eventually be able to make this vaccine available to those who need it the most.

Hartaj Singh
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Great. Thank you for all the questions.

Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer, Moderna

Thank you.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. Presenters, you may continue.

Stéphane Bancel
CEO, Moderna

Thank you so much, everybody, for participating, and we look forward to talking to you or seeing you at the latest on June 2nd for the Moderna Science Day event and this team with us. Thank you very much. Have a good day and stay safe. Bye-bye.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.