Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Marvell Technology Group First Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Ahn, Head of Investor Relations.
You may begin.
Thank you, Latoya, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Marvell Technology Group's Q1 fiscal year 2017 earnings call. With me on the call today are Rick Hill, Marvell's Chairman Matt Murphy, Marvell's President and CEO and Dave Eichler, Marvell's Interim CFO. We will all be available during the Q and A portion of the call today. If you have not obtained a copy of our current press release, it can be found at our company website under the Investor Relations section atmarbell.com.
We have also posted a slide deck summarizing our Q1 fiscal 2017 results in the IR section of our website for investors. Additionally, this call is being recorded and will be available for replay from our website until August 27. Please be reminded that today's discussion may contain forward looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. These statements are based on currently available information as of the date of such statements and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our results to differ materially from management's current expectations. To fully understand the risks and uncertainties that may cause results to differ from our forward looking expectations and outlook, please refer to today's earnings release, our latest quarterly report on Form 10Q and Form 10 ks and subsequent SEC filings for a detailed description of our business and associated risks.
Please be reminded that all of our statements are made as of today, and Marvell undertakes no obligation to revise or update publicly any forward looking statements, except as required under applicable law. During the call today, we will make reference to certain non GAAP financial measures, which exclude the effect of stock based compensation, amortization of acquired intangible assets, acquisition related costs, restructuring costs, litigation settlement and certain expenses and benefits that are driven primarily by discrete events that management does not consider to be directly related to our core operating performance. Pursuant to Regulation G, we have provided reconciliations of the non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in our 1st fiscal quarter 2017 earnings press release, which has been furnished to the SEC on Form 8 ks and is available on our website in the Investor Relations section. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Dave Eichler.
Thanks, John, and good afternoon. Before I get started, let me say that we anticipate filing our 10 Q for the Q1 of 2017 in the near future. And with that, we will be current with our required SEC filings and be compliant with listing requirements of NASDAQ. Now let me spend a few minutes highlighting Marvell's financial results for the Q1 of 'seventeen before turning the call over to Rick Hill, our Chairman. For the Q1 of fiscal 2017, we reported revenues of $541,000,000 which represented a decrease of 12% from the 4th quarter revenues of $616,000,000 and a 25% decline from $724,000,000 in the Q1 of fiscal 2016.
The revenue decline in the Q1 of fiscal 2017 relative to the 4th and 1st quarters of fiscal 2016 was primarily driven by decreased industry demand for HDD products as well as the anticipated decline in revenue resulting from Marvell's exit from the mobile handset business that we announced in September 2015. Our Q1 is typically a weaker quarter, where we see revenues decline sequentially and the Q1 of fiscal 2017 was no exception. Our storage revenues declined 16% sequentially mainly due to the continued weakness in the HDD industry TAM. This was partially offset by growth in SSD driven by increased demand. Our networking business increased 5% sequentially due to improved demand for our networking products, while our mobile and wireless sales declined 29% sequentially due to continued ramp down of our mobile handset platform business.
Please note that the mobile handset revenues in the Q1 of 2017 were $22,000,000 down from $69,000,000 in the 4th quarter of fiscal 2016 $65,000,000 in the Q1 of 2016. Our gross margin percentage for the Q1 of fiscal 2017 increased by 120 basis points from 50.9 percent of net revenues in Q4 of fiscal 2016 to 52.1% in Q1 of 2017 and also compares favorably to 51.5 percent for the Q1 of fiscal year 2016. Improvement gross margin was primarily due to lower percentage of mobile handset revenues. Operating expenses on a GAAP basis for the Q1 of 2017 were $311,000,000 flat with the Q4 of fiscal 2016 and 14% lower compared to $360,000,000 in the Q1 of 2016. Please note that R and D expenses in Q1 fiscal 2017 were $241,000,000 or 45 percent of revenues compared to $240,000,000 or 39 percent of net revenues in Q4 $280,000,000 or 39 percent of net revenues in Q1 fiscal 2016.
The $39,000,000 decrease in R and D spending in Q1 2017 compared to Q1 2016 was largely due to the restructuring of the mobile handset business, which we announced in September that has now been completed. I'll talk more about the restructuring in a few minutes. Please note the small increase in R and D spending in Q1 2017 relative to Q4 was largely due to increased payroll costs related to merit increases effective April 1, increased payroll taxes starting in new calendar year as well as savings from the holiday shutdown in December, which didn't occur in our Q1 of fiscal 2017. SG and A expense, on the other hand, were $69,000,000 or 13% of net revenues in Q1 2017 compared to $72,000,000 or 12% of net revenues in Q4 2016 $80,000,000 or 11% of net revenues in Q1 2016. Please note that operating expenses on a GAAP as well as a non GAAP basis for the Q1 of fiscal 2017 and the Q4 of fiscal 2016 include $17,000,000 $11,000,000 respectively, of accounting and legal fees related to the Audit Committee investigation and the related shareholder litigation, investigation by the SEC and the United States Attorney's Office as well as other professional fees.
In summary, in Q1 2017, we reported a GAAP net loss of $23,000,000 or $0.04 per diluted share compared to GAAP net income of $4,000,000 or $0.01 per share diluted for the Q4 of fiscal 2016 and a GAAP net income of $14,000,000 or $0.03 per share diluted for the Q1 of fiscal 2016. We were essentially breakeven on a GAAP basis in Q1 if you exclude the $4,000,000 restructuring charge coupled with the $17,000,000 of increased legal and accounting fees mentioned earlier. Now Now let me spend a few minutes reviewing our financial performance on a non GAAP basis. On a non GAAP basis, net income for the Q1 of fiscal 2017 was $7,000,000 or $0.01 per share diluted, which includes adjustments of approximately 29,000,000 dollars 25,000,000 of which is related to stock based compensation and $4,000,000 related to restructuring, dollars 1,000,000 of which was related to the mobile handset business, which was completed in Q1 of fiscal 2017. Now let me comment for a few minutes on the mobile handset platform restructuring, which we announced in September last year.
We ended up eliminating 9.50 positions in the mobile handset business unit, which is 150 less than was expected as we decided to retain more employees and equipment to support remaining business than was anticipated. The end result of restructuring is that we estimate the annual cost savings of approximately 130,000,000 including employee related facilities and equipment costs, which you are now seeing realized in our Q1 R and D spending levels. This compares to the original estimated annual savings on the low end of the range of $155,000,000 or $25,000,000 less. As I mentioned earlier, our total R and D spending in Q1 of fiscal 2017 was $39,000,000 less than in Q1 2016, which was largely due to the restructuring of our mobile handset business. Please note more work is needed in the near term in bringing our operating expense levels in line with our revenues and long term strategy.
Our non GAAP gross margin for the 1st quarter of 2017 improved slightly to 52.5 percent from 51.9% in the 4th quarter, largely due to favorable product mix relating to higher networking sales and lower volume of mobile handset products. Non GAAP operating expenses in Q1 2017 came in at 280,000,000 dollars compared to $267,000,000 in the 4th quarter, a 5% increase and $307,000,000 in the Q1 of fiscal 2016, a 9% decline. As I mentioned previously, our GAAP as well as our non GAAP operating expenses for the 1st and 4th quarters of fiscal 2017 2016 includes $17,000,000 $11,000,000 respectively of increased legal and accounting fees, which are included in G and A. In Q4, we had the benefit of a holiday shutdown resulted in lower employee costs relative to Q1, which was offset by increased personnel costs with the annual merit increase effective April 1 and higher payroll taxes in the new calendar year. The overall decrease in Q1 2017 spending compared to Q1 2016 is primarily due to lower R and D spending as a result of the shutdown of the mobile platform business.
The end result is that in Q1 fiscal 2017, we reported non GAAP net income of $7,000,000 or $0.01 per diluted share compared to $0.11 in Q4 2016 and $0.13 per diluted share in Q1 fiscal 2016. Please note, if you exclude the impact of the added legal accounting fees, which are included in our non GAAP operating expenses of $17,000,000 in Q4 of $17,000,000 $11,000,000 in Q4 2016, our adjusted non GAAP EPS would have been $0.05 per share in Q1 2017 versus $0.01 per share as reported compared to $0.13 as adjusted in Q4 2016 versus $0.11 as reported and $0.13 per share in Q1 fiscal 2016. Net cash provided from operations for the Q1 was negative 610,000,000 dollars which reflects the $750,000,000 payment related to Carnegie Mellon University litigation settlement or a +140,000,000 dollars on adjusted basis compared to $53,000,000 in the Q4 of fiscal 2016 $59,000,000 in the Q1 of fiscal 2016. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Chairman, Rick Hill, to provide additional color on Q1 operating results and our Q2 outlook.
Thank you, Dave, and good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. We're happy to report our first quarter fiscal 2017 earnings today, and we're also happy to report that we will be fully caught up on our filings after we file next week our 10 Q for this quarter. The Q1 is a seasonally weaker quarter for Marvell with revenues typically declining sequentially, and the Q1 of fiscal year 2017 has been no exception. We saw our revenue decline by 12% sequentially, mainly due to normal seasonal weaknesses, compounded by a declining HDD market and the previously anticipated drop off in our mobile and wireless sales as a result of the company's decision to exit the mobile business. Despite the previously mentioned declines, sales of our network and SSD products increased during the quarter and partially offset these weaknesses in other areas.
In the storage market, our HDD SoC revenues were negatively affected by continued pressure on overall HDD industry builds, which is correlated with a persistently weak PC demand environment. Now the HDD decline was partially offset by growth in SSD controller sales, which was driven by improved demand for SSDs. The company continues to invest in comprehensive solutions that build upon our leading positions in the storage market for both HDD and SSD. In the networking market, sales of our networking solutions grew sequentially in the Q1 of fiscal year 2017 due to increasing demand in the enterprise and data center applications. During fiscal 2016, we refocused our engineering and marketing efforts to our core networking technologies for Ethernet switches, PHYs and embedded networking processors.
These efforts helped us to address growth opportunities in cloud, data center, enterprise and carrier migration towards infrastructure with higher bandwidth and speed, as well as opportunities arising from investment in the 5 gs network products. These efforts are starting to manifest in a number of new designs that will enable growth of our networking revenues and improve our wireless connectivity revenues declined in the Q1 of fiscal year 2016 given sales of handset oriented wireless connectivity combo chips were unfavorably affected by our decision to restructure the mobile platform business announced in 2015. The decline in mobile handsets related business was partially offset by increased demand from gaming and multimedia applications. We continue to see greater demand and growth opportunities in enterprise access points, gaming and set top box streaming devices with our new generation of Wi Fi solutions. We believe the increasing performance of our new solutions with advanced signal processing and location capabilities will enable a significant upgrade cycle in enterprise, service provider and connected home applications.
In the mobile market, sales of our mobile solutions, which include our integrated applications processors, baseband modem solutions, declined due to anticipated drop off resulting from our restructuring of our mobile handset platform business. We are entering the final phases of our restructuring of this business and anticipate the ramp down in revenues to continue through fiscal year 2017, providing somewhat of a negative drag on revenues. Let me turn to our outlook. And as our financial results mentioned in the press release, we expected revenues to grow to $625,000,000 to $635,000,000 or sequential growth of 16% at the midpoint. Given that our Q1 results came in weaker than normal, this expected growth for the 2nd quarter will bring us back in line with a first half, a typical expectation.
However, it is important to note that the demand environment remains challenging for the semiconductor industry as a whole due to continued global macroeconomic uncertainty. Additionally, the shutdown of our mobile handset business combined with the deemphasis of other low performing and low margin products last year is anticipated to create revenue headwinds in the near term, but should provide improved financial performance in the long term. Consequently, we remain cautious about revenue and margin as we enter the second half of the year. With a new management team in place at Marvell, we're doing all we can to ensure that our costs and expenses are in line with our cautious view on the top line. Matt and his team are working diligently on a long range plan, and we will have more to share with you over the coming months.
Now I'd like to review our profit and loss guidance for Q2. As we said, revenues for the Q2 ending July 31, 20 17 2016, which is fiscal year 2017, are expected to be in the range of $625,000,000 to 635,000,000 dollars with gross margins on a GAAP and non GAAP basis expected to be between 52% 54% of net revenues. GAAP operating expenses are expected to be in the range of 307,000,000 $317,000,000 with non GAAP operating expenses expected to be in the range of $270,000,000 $280,000,000 with the difference between the GAAP and the non GAAP due to stock based compensation expense. Now the anticipated growth Q2 revenues compared to Q1 is expected to come from all end market areas led by storage. Our estimated non GAAP operating expense for Q2 is further broken down as follows.
R and D spending is expected to be approximately $210,000,000 to 215,000,000 SG and A expenses between $60,000,000 $65,000,000 including $15,000,000 in additional legal and accounting fees related to the audit committee investigation and related shareholder litigation. The SEC investigation and other professional fees, which seem to have a long tail on them. Interest, net and tax expense are expected to be $3,000,000 positive $4,000,000 negatively, respectively. The weighted average diluted share count for Q2 on a non GAAP basis is estimated to be 527,000,000 shares. In summary, our Q2 GAAP EPS are estimated to be in the range of $0.03 to $0.05 per diluted share, while our GAAP non GAAP EPS is in the range of $0.10 to $0.12 per share.
With that, I'd like to turn it over to Matt Murphy to share some thoughts on his first couple of weeks at the helm. Matt?
Great. Thank you, Rick. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. As you're probably aware, we successfully filed the Form 10 Qs for Q2 and Q3 fiscal 2016 and Form 10 ks for fiscal 2016 last week. This is obviously a huge milestone for Marvell and I would like to thank the entire Marvell team as well as our advisors for the months of hard work that they put in to make our recent filings possible.
We look forward to finally catching up with all of our filings upon the completion of the Form 10 Q for the period that we just reported. Looking ahead, as Rick just alluded to, I've been working closely with my direct staff, employees and customers to get a detailed assessment of our business and operations in order to help formulate a comprehensive plan for Marvell moving forward. The demand environment remains challenging and we recognize that we need to align our structure to this reality. As I articulated last week in our conference call, I believe the strength of Marvell lies in the talented employees and the innovative technologies that we have here and we must utilize the strength in a targeted and efficient manner. This means focusing our efforts on growing and profitable businesses while tightly managing expenses.
That has been foremost in our minds as we perform detailed reviews of all of our businesses. I'm sure many of you have questions on this topic that you would like answered today, but we want to make sure that we take a thorough and rigorous approach to our analysis, which will take some time. Therefore, I would like to ask you to hold off on such questions until we are ready to roll out our strategy in the coming months. With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to John to open it up for the Q and A portion.
Okay. Thank you, Matt. We will now open the call up for your questions. Keep your questions within the scope of the Q1 results and second quarter outlook. Please note that we are not yet in a position to provide long term guidance or strategies.
Latoya, we'll take our first question please.
Thank The first question is from Craig Ellis of B. Riley. Your line is open.
Thanks for taking the question and thanks for all of the details in the releases. The first question is just on the revenue guidance. I know that you said that revenue growth would be led by HDDs or storage, but I'm hoping that you can provide some further color on the growth of the other businesses within that overall 16% guidance. 25%
and 6 25 and 635, the growth in storage is up roughly probably in the order of 20%, a little bit less than 20%. And then of course, growth in the networking market of near 10%. That's largely what's driving the growth.
Thanks, Rick. And then the second question is on gross margins. At the midpoint, it would imply about a 50 basis point improvement. And I know, the guidance for the baseband business is to mix that down over the course of the year. So at the midpoint, would the improvement be that smartphone mix out?
Or are there other dynamics that are at play?
There's other dynamic as we're continually looking at our cost structure and we're making changes with our new Chief Operations guy, we're really attacking the cost of goods sold. And so I'm optimistic that we can meet those numbers and hopefully do better.
Thanks guys. And I'll get back in the queue.
Thank you. And the next question is from Timothy O'Cary of Cowen and Company.
I had 2. I guess, Rick, this is more of and also Matt, this is sort of more of a big picture question. The thing that everybody always says is, well, storage is not that great of a business and they say that the drive business is not really growing and SSD is still much, much smaller for you than the drive businesses. So can you just address sort of how you see the mix of HDD being flat to down over time and SSD growing? Because today, I think your HDD business is significantly larger than your SSD business.
Thanks.
You're absolutely correct on that, Tim. But as you've seen in some of the announcements, there has been somewhat of a rebound in the PC demand business that we're seeing in the short term, okay, with a steady growth in the SSD area. And so there'll be ups and downs in this particular business, but basically our Q2, which shouldn't be all that hard to project since it ends on Saturday, We see it somewhat up. So that's the I'll let Matt comment what he sees on it as well.
Sure. No, I'd just add to that. I think Rick's right. Clearly, the HDD portion of our business is larger. SSD is smaller, but it's growing.
And all I'd say is in my preliminary reviews with the team, there's plans in place to address what would be a secular decline in sales of hard drives with some alternative strategies and obviously SSD is a very important part of our future as well. So we'll get back to you with more details as we roll out our strategy. But those are clearly some challenges we have, but there's plans in place to address it.
Yes. And clearly, Tim, as you know, in a market where the secular decline, let's make no mistake about it, hard drives aren't going away anytime soon. They're shifting clearly more to the enterprise area that offers more value, more complexity and more opportunity for us in winning share in those areas as well. So I think it's a combination of those things that allow us to be modestly optimistic that we can do better in the storage business. All right?
Got it. Thanks. And then just follow-up on that. Can you just talk a little bit about capital return, Rick? I know maybe this is a sort of a discussion point for down the road, but just generally, you guys have $1,600,000,000 in cash, no debt.
You came through this really terrible drive period and still generated cash and you're actually GAAP breakeven before you take out these one time costs. So sort of like what's the minimum cash? You run many, many businesses. And so as you look at this, what's the minimum cash that you all think that is needed to run this business? Thanks.
As I quoted a long time ago at Novelis, you can never be too cash rich in the high-tech business, so or too thin and I gave up on being too thin. So I'm only working on the cash piece. But all with all seriousness, the one thing I hope you would want us to do is take a very, very measured look. And with this industry, we want to make the right moves and we want to have the ability to be able to make the right moves. And we've just brought in a new management team.
And I can assure you it's on the top of our list to discuss with the Board what our capital allocation strategy is. And it isn't going to be that you're going to have to wait forever. We will disclose it in a subsequent call here. But at this point, I'm going to deflect your question because I don't want to get us committed into something that I wouldn't be set to execute. Hopefully, that's helpful and honest.
Got it, Rick.
Thank you so much.
All right.
Thank you. The next question is from Kristen Schwab of Craig Hallum Capital. Your line is
Great. Thanks for taking my question. When you guys look at the business on a go forward business, if we just kind of take away some of the low gross margin products that you began to exit last well, in the last few quarters And we take away all of the mobility business, that we're no longer going to be servicing and making. Is the remaining business should we be thinking about as kind of a $2,200,000,000 business plus or minus 100,000,000 dollars Or how would you look at that?
Well, I'm hoping that on an annualized basis, we can achieve numbers that are closer to a $2,400,000,000 range plus or minus 100 dollars and grow from there. That would be my hope. And based on everything I've seen so far, I think it's achievable. Do we have it in the bag yet? Not in the bag, but we're making progress very, very rapidly.
Okay. Wonderful. And then just a follow-up to the previous conference call a week ago, when you talked about a margin structure in line with the in line or better than industry peers on an operating margin structure, I think we all kind of think about that as 20% plus or 25% plus. Is that fair thought by analysts, investors?
Well, we talked last week, I believe, regarding gross margin and I got boxed into having a 6 handle on my gross margin, which got a lot of activity. But as you can see, we're inching our way there even with this quarter. And we haven't even begun to see some of the savings that we are starting to get in the supply chain. Relative to the operating expenses, obviously, there's tremendous room to change where we are today. Clearly, R and D with a 3 operating handle is not sustainable for long periods of time.
And we've got to be able to see growth in the top line or reduction in the R and D expense. Our SG and A, if you were to take out our this what I would call anvil around our neck with legal and auditing expenses, our SG and A expenses are not out of line from an industry perspective, although we can always get better in all of these areas. So rather than just put a number on it and throw it out on the table, I think things you should be thinking about is that clearly on an R and D basis, we're going to be more focused. It's one of the things Matt and his team are really doing right now is taking a look at where the real opportunities are and focusing our R and D efforts to get the most bang for the buck. And in the operations area, we're really driving the supply chain and the efficiency of our organization to drive up gross margins.
And we believe there's a lot of room to gain there and some will come in the short term and more will come in the long term. I hope that's helpful, Christian.
And one last question, if I may. I was surprised to see some enterprise, I would say, drives released by Seagate, who continue to use your controllers instead of the controller that they bought from Avago a few years ago. Can you give us an update on your thoughts on your strength and positioning competitively on the enterprise side of the solid state drive world?
Well, I think from a standpoint of Marvell's overall performance is we have this ability to get better technical performance in a smaller area than any of our competitors. And as a result, it gives our customers a performance advantage that they can monetize. And it allows us to even compete with people's internal capabilities. And we think that is one of the great strengths of Marvell and we hope to continue to enhance that uniqueness.
Great. No other questions. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from Quinn Bolton of Needham. Your line is open.
Hi, guys. Nice job on
the margins. Just was curious looking at the guidance for storage, do we have 20%? If I look to HDD TAM now that Seagate and Western Digital both preannounced June quarter results, it looks like the TAM was actually down in June. And so I guess I'm just wondering, as you look at the storage business for the July quarter, do you think that this reflects some of the customers building ahead for sort of the typical second half seasonality? Or could there be some share shifts in various platforms where you guys may be actually gaining share that helps to account for that strength?
And then I've got a quick follow-up on the mobile business.
Yes. Since we don't have anything called a pull in anymore, that's building ahead. Obviously, this time of year is an important build time for the upcoming season. It's still a little bit early. But I think as I highlighted, there's somewhat of a rebound that has occurred in the PC business.
And in addition to that, while the total addressable market has gone down somewhat, there are market share wins that we've had within that downward trend market. And so with those market share wins, we're able to grow this particular quarter. But make no mistake about it, it wasn't a very pretty quarter as far as we're concerned for quarter 1.
Can you give us maybe an update on where you think your HDD controller market share is? Is mid-60s kind of a good estimate for your current share?
I don't know that we disclose that routinely what our market share is overall. I'd have to ask somebody who's been here longer. John, have we ever disclosed that out? No,
we've been in the past what we've said was we've always been at around 60% -plus share, right? I mean, and it's been kind of ebbing and flowing from there. But we haven't really given a specific number late.
Yes. We're going to be at the Citi conference in September and these are all good questions to ask. We'll go evaluate whether or not from a company standpoint, it's in our best interest to release those kinds of numbers. And to the extent we can release them and discuss them more, we'll be prepared to do it at that time. So thanks for the input.
Okay? Great.
And then just a quick mobile platform. Does that include the combo chips, the $22,000,000 in the Q1? Would that include any combo chips or is that just purely the apps, processors and baseband?
No, it would include combo chips.
Okay. Thanks for the clarification.
All right.
Thank you. The next question is from Ian Ng of MKM Partners. Your line is open.
Yes. I think you said smartphones $22,000,000 in the Q1, obviously that winds down in future quarters. Just want to clarify, is there a policy of when there's last time buys in place, so perhaps there could be some end of the period buys?
Yes. Hey, Ian, this is John. I think when we announced the restructuring, we had placed a 1 year last time buying, right? So we announced that back in September. So by the fall of this year will be our last time buys.
Your question is, do we expect any large surges? That's not in our forecast.
Okay. That's helpful. And in terms of the extra accounting costs and those fall away in coming quarters, I assume the auditing and legal?
I'm pushing them out the door as fast as I can get them. But they're like their claws sticking to the concrete of the wall. So but we're pushing it.
So you're suggesting perhaps a gradual wind down in this current fiscal year then?
I'm hoping it's not gradual.
Okay.
But I can't say anything yet.
Okay. No guarantees.
Not until I can slam the door on their fingers.
Understand. Okay, that's all I had for now. Thank you.
Thanks.
Thank you. The next question is from John Pitzer of Credit Suisse.
Yes, good afternoon guys. Thanks for letting me ask the question. Rick, just going back to the mobile platform, I'm kind of curious when that $22,000,000 of revenue is no longer in the P and L, what kind of gross margin uplift should we expect? So if we were to kind of look at current results ex that mobile platform, how do we think about gross margins?
Well, at this juncture at $22,000,000 it's not that big of the AOP,
it's just basically gone down.
Yes, it's pretty much gone out of there. So we're getting gross margin improvement because we're operating better, okay, and we're just getting more efficient.
That's all for me.
We have a long way to go on that, believe me.
And then Rick, for my second question, I was glad to see networking grow sequentially in the quarter and you're guiding it to grow again. You kind of talked about 3 buckets inside of networking, Ethernet PHY and embedded processors. I'm just kind of curious if you could give us a little bit of color of kind of your positioning there because everyone knows your history in the HDD controller market. You had a strong position in networking. You kind of missed a product cycle.
What confidence now that you guys have good product cycle set up here for continued growth?
So I got confidence in the people. And I've been here long enough to know who the people are and who are delivering and their ability to deliver. And so I'm pretty bullish.
Is it across the board Ethernet PHY and embedded processing? Or is there areas that you're more constructive on?
Well, Ethernet certainly I'm very constructive on. PHYs I'm getting more constructive on.
Helpful. Thank you.
All right.
Thank you. The next question is from Stephen Chen of UBS. Your line is open.
Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Also, I want to start off with the networking business as well. Could you also provide some more color on what's been driving the growth? Is it purely because of new products are currently ramping that's driving the growth? Or is there pent up demand?
Or is the macro actually proving enough for some of your enterprise customers such that you're seeing budgets improving right now?
Well, it's largely due to some new product introductions by us, some wins, recover loss market share wins that we've had. And we're digging ourselves out of a hole we created by taking our eye off the ball and the team now has their eye on the ball and are executing. It's that simple.
Okay. And as my follow-up, I also had a question on the mobile business. If I recall correctly, when you guys announced back last September that you're moving away from the smartphone business, I believe that there was still some R and D being maintained on the cellular modem side. Just kind of curious how that how the products that you were still focusing on over the last several quarters, how that's coming along and whether or not the IoT product strategy, if that's still moving along and generating the expected returns for the original plan?
As I said last time, our major focus at this juncture is back to the core, which is the storage business first and making sure we're optimizing that. 2nd is networking, which we've realigned our strategy and we're starting to get results with there. And then finally, our big opportunity from a standpoint of wireless and gaming and multimedia that really exploits our high-tech capability and our ability to differentiate ourselves. And so that's the primary focus at this juncture. Everything else relative to smartphones and that type of stuff is sort of the Internet of Things.
When somebody don't get me wrong, I love the term Internet of Things. I just can't get my hands around which one of those things is going to lead us to the promised land yet. And until we do, it's pretty hard to just allocate willy nilly R and D dollars to products. So I think that's where we are and I know that's where Matt is.
Okay. Appreciate the color, Rick. Thanks.
Thank you. The next question is from Gary Mobley of Benchmark. Your line is open.
Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. If I back out the $22,000,000 for mobile handsets from the mobile wireless revenue generated roughly $90,000,000 in revenue in the Q1. Is that steady state business? Is that how we should think about it?
And is most of what's remaining there related to gaming? And considering that, what sort of seasonality should we see off that 90,000,000 base?
So I do think it's an area that then is going to be more focused on gaming. It will have seasonality as you can expect due to the Christmas season. And if you're in a hot product, you take off like a rocket ship and if you're not in a hot product, you don't. But I think in the short term, we think we're in hot products. And so there is upside, but we're not planning huge upside with that.
Dave, you want to comment on it? I'm not sure if there's anything I can add. Okay.
Okay. If I look at estimates from those who assess the hard disk drive market and the South State drive market, it looks like the market in the March quarter for hard disk drive units declined about 20%. For solid state drives, the market increased about 30%. Contrasting that with maybe a 1 month offset and looking at your April quarter results, you're down about 30% year over year. Is most of that disconnect explained by inventory depletion, not only for hard disk drives in the channel, but your hard disk drive customers depleting component inventory?
No. I mean, I articulated this a week ago that I felt that we had lost some market share in the HDD arena. And recently we've won some market share back.
Okay. All right. That's it for me. Thanks guys.
Thank you. And the next question is from Mark Delaney of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Yes, good afternoon. Thanks very much for taking the questions. First question is on the hard drive business. I think ASPs for controllers have been in the $4 range. Rick, I think you said last week you're hoping to see better trends there going forward from preamps.
You guys talked about your pricing strategy and potentially being able to optimize pricing going forward. Maybe you can help us think about as you think about those different factors, what kind of price per hard drive opportunity you could see going forward?
Well, obviously, in the hard drive business, it's the typical semiconductor make that we've got to take that pressure on the price. We've got to make sure that the complete supply chain shares and what's needed in order to continue to get the drive market to grow. But the real big key is in our design capability and our ability to design uniqueness in that benefits our customer, namely speed and power consumption, primarily along with reliability, which are just sort of entry anti into the marketplace of itself. And we think we have a strong core competency there. So we believe that we can always have an advantage to our competitor from a pricing standpoint because of the performance that we're selling.
That's strategically what we're trying to do. If you're asking the question, is there pressure on the $4 price, there's some pressure on it. But from the standpoint of our products that are differentiated, we're able to maintain those kinds of prices.
That's helpful. And for follow-up on the SSD strength that the company has been seeing in the last couple of quarters and you talked about guiding SSDs I think up for next quarter as well. Is that regaining market share or is that driven by end market growth or some combination of the 2?
That's a combination of the 2. Thank you.
Thank you. And the next question is from Rick Schafer of Oppenheimer. Your line is open.
Hi, this is Corey Grady on for Rick. In your storage segment, what's your current PC notebook exposure versus enterprise?
I don't have that number handy. We don't have it handy. John, I'll get it to you after the call.
Yes, we'll take that offline.
Okay. And do you
have your current split between HDD and SSD? And can you tell us how that compares to your backlog?
Yes. Hey, we never break that out, as you know, for competitive reasons. So we're not ready to break that out at this point.
Okay. Thanks.
Thank you. And there are no further questions in the queue at this time. I'll turn the call back over for closing remarks.
Okay, great. Thank you, Latoya. I'd like to thank everyone for their time today and your continued interest in Marvell. I think Rick mentioned earlier that we are planning to attend the Citi Global Technology Conference in New York on September 6 this year. So we look forward to meeting many of you there.
Otherwise, we look forward to speaking with you again soon. Goodbye.