Good morning, and welcome to MSC Industrial Supply 2019 4th Quarter and Full Year Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Corona, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer.
Please go ahead.
Thank you, Brandon, and good morning to everyone. Today, I'd like to welcome you to our fiscal 2019 Q4 earnings call. With me in the room are Eric Gershwin, our Chief Executive Officer and Rustom Jilla, our Chief Financial Officer. During today's call, we will refer to various financial and management data in the presentation slides that accompany our comments, as well as our operational statistics, both of which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. Let me reference our Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Our comments on this call, as well as the supplemental information we are providing on the website, contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the U. S. Securities laws, including guidance about expected future results, expectations regarding our ability to gain market share, and expected benefits from our investment and strategic plans, including expected results from acquisitions. These forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated by these statements. Information about these risks is noted in our earnings press release and the Risk Factors and the MD and A sections of our latest Annual Report on Form 10 ks filed with the SEC, as well as in our other SEC filings.
These forward looking statements are based on our current expectations and the company assumes no obligation to update these statements. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward looking statements. In addition, during this call, we may refer to certain adjusted financial results, which are non GAAP measures. Please refer to the GAAP versus non GAAP reconciliations in our presentation, which contain the reconciliation of the adjusted financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. I'll now turn the call over to Eric.
Thanks, John, and good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining us today. To kick off this morning's call, I'll provide an overview of our fiscal 2019 Q4 results. I'll then discuss the environment and our recent performance before turning it over to Rustom, who will review the details of the 4th quarter and provide our fiscal Q1 guidance for 2020, as well as our fiscal 2020 annual operating margin framework. And I'll then wrap up before we open up the line for questions.
Our fiscal 4th quarter performance represents solid execution in a decelerating demand environment. Sales were roughly in line with the midpoint of our guidance and gross margin was at the top end of the guidance range. And although reported operating expenses were above anticipated levels, they included costs related to the productivity improvement actions that we took during the quarter. Excluding these costs, our operating expenses were lower than guidance. As a result, our adjusted operating margin and adjusted earnings per share came in well ahead of guidance.
Rustom will share more details on all of this in just a couple of minutes. Turning to the environment, industrial demand deteriorated as the quarter progressed. The softness was evidenced in the data points coming from manufacturing output, distributor growth surveys and sentiment indices. In June July, readings for the MBI were 51.847.9 and then August was 48.3. The September MBI reading came in at 48.6, which takes the rolling 12 month average to 52.5.
And while the rolling 12 month average is still positive, it has been declining steadily, which is indicative of weakening manufacturing and metalworking markets. We are seeing some customers and suppliers eliminate shifts and in some pockets restructure, including layoffs. We are also hearing of shrinking order backlogs. In terms of end markets, the weakness in industrial demand is broad based with some acute pockets of softness in areas like automotive, heavy truck, oil and gas and agriculture. Aerospace is one of the few end markets that remain strong.
With regards to the pricing environment, the overhang of uncertainty due to tariffs and decelerating global macroeconomic growth, combined with the price scrutiny that typically comes when customers' businesses slow down, did result in softening. We implemented our annual summer price increase and it came in at about 1.5%. Realization so far has been about as expected and in line with recent history. Now taking a look at our performance, Core customers and national accounts grew in the low single digits and both slowed through the quarter. Government sales growth levels improved slightly from the 3rd quarter as anticipated, but still declined in the low double digits, weighing down our overall growth rate.
The continuing government headwind peaked in our fiscal third quarter and should continue to abate during the first half of our fiscal twenty twenty as we fully lap the previously discussed 2 contract losses by our fiscal Q3. As you'll hear from Rustom when he discusses his the Q1 fiscal guidance, we saw continued deceleration in September October with our overall growth rate turning negative. National accounts remains in positive growth territory, while government is essentially unchanged from the negative growth levels seen in the Q4. The biggest change has not surprisingly been in our core customers, which are most heavily geared towards the metalworking markets that are acutely soft. You'll recall from our last call that we implemented an action plan designed to improve performance in 3 areas: 1, field sales execution, particularly around new business implementation 2, profitability of our supplier programs and 3, expense reduction and productivity.
I'll now provide some color on each of the 3. As I shared with you last quarter, we were not executing well enough in implementing new business wins and translating those wins into revenues. We have successfully addressed the bottlenecks and the sales from new business wins should ramp over the coming quarters. Meanwhile, our funnel and new business wins continue to build momentum. Given the early success we are seeing, this will be an area of investment in fiscal 2020 as we expand the size of the business development team.
Beyond new business, our new Head of Sales, Eddie Martin, has rounded out his leadership team with new leaders for government, national accounts and sales operations. He is ramping up the intensity and focus on performance management through all levels of the sales team. And he's making necessary cuts in certain areas and investing in others, such as business development, CCSG and inventory management, meaning vending and BMI. The second part of our action plan was to improve the profitability of our supplier programs. We've seen a good response from our supplier community in the form of increased investment into MSC.
We expect to realize roughly $20,000,000 in profit improvement on an annualized basis. The resulting gross margin improvements will come in the back half of fiscal 2020 and in fiscal 2021. This is due to a combination of our average inventory costing method and the timing of our rebate programs. Our focus now turns to delivering market share growth for the supplier partners that have invested in the program. The third part of our action plan was to reduce operating expenses and improve productivity.
You'll notice in the operating statistics on the website a drop in headcount over the last quarter. This was the result of 3 actions that we took during the month of August. First, we ran a voluntary program in our distribution centers, giving associates with significant tenure an opportunity to retire. 2nd, we ratcheted up performance management intensity considerably. And third, we selectively eliminated positions where our focus is changing.
While most of these actions were completed during the Q1 the Q4, excuse me, we are continuing the program into the Q1 as well. Moving forward, we expect headcount to come down again in our fiscal Q1. And for the balance of the year, we anticipate select hiring in certain growth areas and to replace a portion of the Q4 reductions. We will, however, maintain our intense focus on performance management. We will also continue to reshape and right size the business, particularly if the environment deteriorates further.
I'll now turn things over to Rustom, who'll provide further financial details, and then I'll come back with some concluding remarks.
Thank you, Eric. Good morning, everyone. Before getting into the financial details, let me remind you that we provided Q4 guidance for both total company and our base business. That is our total company excluding the AIS acquisition and our New Mexican business. Additionally, in our fiscal Q4, we incurred $6,700,000 of severance and separation expenses related to our OpEx reduction and performance improvement initiatives.
As such, I'll speak first in terms of our reported results and then in terms of our adjusted results, which reflect the exclusion of these costs only. Our 4th quarter total average daily sales was $13,400,000 an increase of 2.1% versus the same quarter last year and roughly in line with the 2.2% midpoint of our guidance range. MSC Mexico contributed just over half of that growth. Our Q4 reported gross margin was 42%, at the high end of our guidance range and down roughly 90 basis points from last year. Versus last year, Mexico accounted for roughly 25 basis points of the decline, and the remaining 65, roughly 65 basis points came from mix and negative price costs.
Total reported operating expenses in Q4 were $263,100,000 which resulted in a reported operating margin of 10.7%. Our tax rate for the 4th quarter was 23.1%, approximately 100 basis points below guidance, due mostly to favorable resolutions of state tax audits. Our effective tax rate was also lower than last year, primarily due to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. All of this resulted in reported earnings per share, up $1.20 Now, let me move to the adjusted results. Excluding the $6,700,000 of severance and separation charges incurred in Q4, adjusted operating expenses were 256 $400,000 Approximately 1,400,000 or 20 basis points as a percentage of sales lower than the midpoint of our guidance.
This was due mostly to a lower incentive accrual and to ongoing controls on discretionary spending. Total headcount declined by 135 in Q4, with the bulk of this due to our cost reduction and performance improvement actions. Now they occurred mostly in mid to late August, so there were minimal Q4 savings. All of the headcount reduction occurred in the distribution and support functions. Field sales and service headcount was sequentially flat during the quarter.
Versus last year, our adjusted OpEx was up $4,000,000 with half of this coming half of this increase coming from the addition of the Mexican business and the remainder due to annual salary increases and slightly higher year over year headcount. Our fiscal 4th quarter adjusted operating margin was 11.5%, 30 basis points above the midpoint of guidance. Gross margin higher than the midpoint of guidance and adjusted OpEx lower than the midpoint both contributed roughly equally. Adjusted operating margin was down roughly 140 basis points from the prior year, with lower gross margins the main driver. On an adjusted basis, EPS for our fiscal 4th quarter was $1.30, $0.06 above the midpoint of guidance, with the lower tax rate accounting for about $0.02 Last year's reported EPS was $1.29 with an effective tax rate of 29.6%.
Turning to the balance sheet, it remains very healthy. Our DSO was 57 days, up one day from fiscal 20 18 Q4, with higher relative growth in national accounts continuing to be the main driver. Our inventory decreased slightly by $2,000,000 during the quarter to $559,000,000 Total company inventory turns remained at 3.5x, that's unchanged from Q3, but slightly lower than last year's 3.7 times. Net cash provided by operating activities in Q4 was $141,000,000 versus $109,000,000 last year. Our capital expenditures in the 4th quarter $16,000,000 versus last year's $14,000,000 And after subtracting capital expenditures from net cash provided by operating activities, our free cash flow was $125,000,000 as compared to $95,000,000 in last year's Q4.
This brings our total free cash flow for the year to $77,000,000 We paid out $41,000,000 in ordinary dividends during the quarter, reflecting our increased dividend of $0.75 per share. In last year's Q4, we paid out $33,000,000 in dividends and bought back $57,000,000 in shares. During fiscal 20 19, we increased our dividends paid out by 20,000,000 to 146,000,000 spent a net 64,000,000 buying back shares and reduced our leverage slightly. If the economy remains weak or deteriorates further, our fiscal 2020 free cash flow is likely to rise as we historically produce stronger free cash flow during periods of weak industrial demand as net working capital typically declines. Our total debt at the end of the 4th quarter was $442,000,000 comprising of $175,000,000 balance on our credit facilities and other short term notes and $265,000,000 of long term fixed rate borrowing.
Our cash balance was $32,000,000 dollars so net debt was $410,000,000 at the end of the quarter. Our leverage ratio decreased to 0.9x as compared to 1.0x at the end of Q3 and last year's Q4. Now let's move to guidance for the Q1 of fiscal 2020, which you can see on Slide 5. This includes the Mexican business. We do, however, provide guidance with and without approximately $2,300,000 of expected severance and separation expenses.
Our total OpEx is expected to be approximately $256,000,000 including these expenses, with operating margins of 10.7% and EPS of 1.15 at the midpoint. My following remarks will focus on our guidance excluding severance and separation expenses. We expect Q1 ADS to come within a range of minus 2.5 percent to minus 0.5% versus the prior year period. You can see this on you can see on the op stats on our website that September's total ADS growth was minus 0.6% and October's is estimated at minus 1.2%. So implicit in the midpoint of guidance is the assumption that November will take a further step down to around negative 3%.
Our Q1 gross margin is expected to be flat sequentially with Q4 at 42.0 percent plus or minus 20 basis points. This is down 100 basis points year over year due to purchase cost escalation, mix headwind and a 20 basis point impact from Mexico. Q1 operating expenses, excluding severance and separation costs, are expected to be around 254,000,000 dollars That's down approximately $1,000,000 from last year's Q1 and down about $2,000,000 sequentially from Q4's adjusted OpEx. Based on our expected sales levels, we would expect OpEx to be down roughly $2,000,000 in Q1 from lower volume variable expenses. We anticipate that a higher bonus approval, wage inflation and investments will be offset by our Q4 cost reduction actions, stepped up indirect procurement savings and continued cost discipline.
We expect the first quarter's operating margin, excluding additional severance and separation costs, to be approximately 11% at the midpoint of guidance, a 140 basis point year over year decline. The drivers of this decline are the roughly 100 basis points of lower gross margin and the remainder is due to the impact of lower sales on our OpEx leverage. Turning to the estimated tax rate for the Q1, it's expected to be 25.1 percent in line with Q1 2019. So our Q1 EPS guidance range excluding additional severance and separation costs is $1.15 to $1.21 with a midpoint of $1.18. Our guidance assumes a weighted average diluted share count of roughly 55,400,000 shares.
Now, let us move into our fiscal 2020 annual operating margin framework. As a reminder, this annual framework is intended to help you understand how our business is likely to perform over the course of the fiscal year under various scenarios and not for individual quarters. Like last year, we're providing potential annual growth rate scenarios on the horizontal axis and annual gross margin scenarios on the vertical axis. This is the 2 by 2 matrix that you see on Slide 6. With respect to revenue growth, we have 2 scenarios, slightly positive and slightly negative.
The contraction scenario is minus 4% to 0 ADS growth, and the slightly positive scenario has an ADS range of 0% to 4%. Moving on to gross margin, 42.0% is the midpoint, which reflects our Q4 actual run rate. The gross margin contraction scenario has a 41.2% percent to 42.0 percent range, while the top half gross margin expansion scenario has a 42.0 percent to 42.8 percent range. Note that the top half of the matrix could still imply year over year gross margin contraction as fiscal 20 nineteen's full year gross margin was 42.6%. Let me offer a bit more perspective on gross margin.
Right now, we're experiencing sizable year over year gross margin compression. This is because we are pricecost negative as we typically are in the late stages of the inflation cycle and because we are experiencing a roughly 40 to 50 basis points mix headwind. However, as the fiscal year moves along, we expect purchase cost escalation to abate and gross margin should also benefit from our supply initiatives, which will be which will also be back end loaded. As a result, absent any meaningful change to the environment, the gross margin gap year over year should improve in the back half of our fiscal year. Returning to the framework.
In 3 of the 4 quadrants, operating margins contract over fiscal 20 nineteen's adjusted operating margin. Operating margin is close to or equal or close or equal to fiscal 20 nineteen's adjusted operating margins are above Q4's 42.0 level and sales grow low to mid single digits. At the middle of our framework, with flat revenues, we would anticipate operating margins being about 11.3%. Given the 42.0% gross margin, this implies an OpEx increase of 0% to 1% versus the prior year. We expect that our productivity measures, which include roughly $6,000,000 of net savings from our Q4 headcount reduction and a similar amount in indirect cost savings would largely offset salary and wage inflation, higher depreciation, amortization and our growth investments.
And all of this reflects actions taken or in process as of today and does not include any additional actions we may take going forward. I'll now turn back to Eric.
Thank you, Rustom. Against the backdrop of deteriorating conditions in the industrial demand environment, we have taken initial actions to reshape and resize the organization. You're now seeing early results. Moving forward, we will continue to focus on streamlining our cost structure and transforming our operating model to be leaner, more agile and more effective. We've also made good progress in addressing the issues related to the conversion of new business into revenue.
Work remains to be done, including making investments into programs such as business development. This should also improve our market share gains moving forward. In times when industrial demand deteriorates, the local and regional distributors that make up the majority of our market pull back on inventory, credit, people and more. This creates an opportunity for us to capture market share, while forging new relationships and implementing new supplier programs such as the ones that we initiated recently. Should industrial demand conditions remain at the levels that we're seeing right now or even deteriorate further, I expect MSC to be well positioned to benefit just as we have in the past.
The recent progress on our sales initiative as well as the actions that you've seen in terms of productivity are the beginning and not the end of our journey towards fulfilling our mission to be the best industrial distributor in the world. We'll now open up the line for questions.
We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Adam Uhlman with Cleveland Research. Please go ahead.
Hey guys, good morning.
Good morning Adam. How are you?
Good, thank you. I was wondering if we could start with the supplier savings that you're targeting with the program, the $20,000,000 I'm wondering what you have to deliver on to be able to earn those funds. I'm sure there's top line growth and new account wins that are associated with that. But I was wondering if you could maybe put some more meat on the bone. And does that expand?
It obviously does beyond the framework that you've provided this year, kind of what kind of commitments have you laid out?
Yes. So, Adam, I'll take it. Regarding the supplier initiatives, what I would emphasize is that and as you could imagine, the characteristics of the program span a wide range of scenarios depending upon the supplier, the product line and the circumstance. The spirit behind them and I think the common theme was around win win, meaning that if there's investment coming from the supplier, it's in exchange for a return of focus share capture investment from MSC. Now the number that we're giving you is a number look, that's a number we feel comfortable we're going to deliver on.
So certainly, some of that profit improvement would be in the form of guarantees, some would be important thing to emphasize that Rustom and I hit on briefly, is timing. So that number is factored into the framework, but the reality is that the majority of that savings due to timing are going to be achieved towards the end of fiscal 2020 into fiscal 2021. So that is a number that is an annualized number that we reach full run rate in 2021 not in 2020. And the reason is really twofold. One is timing of our average costing system as changes to our deal work their way through our P and L.
And the second is the timing of our rebate programs. Many of these programs are done on a calendar year, a calendar year 2020 rebate, so it doesn't quite sync up with our fiscal. So you'll see benefit towards late the latter quarters of fiscal 2020 and then into 2021.
Okay, got you. Thank you. And then somewhat related to that, I was wondering if you could just share an update on your new customer win progress and anything that you could share along the lines of active customer accounts or national account wins or any feeling of how the traction is building there?
Yes, Adam, so look, this was a key focus of last time, obviously. And then just to refresh everyone, what we talked about is part of the sales transformation that had been done was a built out focus on new business wins with a hunter or business development function. And what we've been seeing is good traction from that group in terms of not only a funnel building, but conversion to wins. And what we called out in the last quarter is that the wins have come in at or above expectation. We were too slow to turn those wins, move them through the implementation cycle and start getting revenue.
So as I described on
the last call, we put a full court press on it. I think there's been progress. And really, the way we manage this process, we use a CRM and we can track essentially each account at every single stage all the way from opportunity through revenue realization. What we saw last quarter was too many accounts stuck in the same stage for too long. We relieved those bottlenecks and what we're now seeing is the accounts appropriately moving through the stages of implementation to revenue conversion.
Now what I'll say, Adam, is it takes time. So we have targets on full annualized run rate per account. It takes time to ramp to that even when we get through implementation. So we are starting to see revenue traction on those, obviously masked by what's going on in the macro, but that will continue to build over the next quarters. We have not come close to full revenue realization.
Our next question comes from John Inch with Gordon Haskett. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. It's Karen Lau dialing in for John. Morning, everyone.
Karen, how are you?
Good, good. So I guess first on the cost savings actions. Apologize if I missed it, but did you quantify how much savings you're going to generate for this year? I'm looking at you guys spending maybe $9,000,000 to $10,000,000 of charges between these quarters. Are you expecting sort of a 1 year payback on those
costs? So Karen, let me answer that. I'll clarify the numbers. So, yes, the $6,700,000 is in Q4 and the savings of all of that are what are baked into Q1 and into the framework right now, right? So what we have is we expect net savings in Q1 to be from the Q4 actions to be roughly around $2,000,000 and roughly around $6,000,000 for the full year, and that's the net savings.
So absolutely, it's a payback within the 1 year. And note that our gross savings are significantly higher, but we'll also be replacing roughly half of the reductions over the course of the year.
It doesn't I mean I'm just looking at the operating framework. It doesn't appear that the it doesn't appear from the operating framework that a lot of the you're seeing much uplift from in the operating margins from these savings. I guess to your point in the Q1, a lot of that savings get offset by just regular cost increase in other areas. Is that sort of the expectation for the year that most of these savings will get offset by hiring back people and just ongoing just higher sales count year over year, things like that?
Yes, we are continuing. We are continuing to invest appropriately, like Eric mentioned, business development when he was talking earlier. I mean, we also have some selective field sales and service headcount increases planned as we expect to get more benefits coming out of this. But look, in Q1, I went through the Q1 numbers, right? So in Q1, what we've got is we've got these savings coming through.
Which we should have lower volume related expenses. And then we also have higher bonuses coming because we're accruing more in line with budgets, obviously, as you kick off the year. We've got higher bonuses. We've got the wage inflation from before. We've got some additional depreciation, amortization costs.
All that's baked into our numbers. But let me come to the framework, and I'll take that and answer the framework for a second. If you think about the midpoint of our framework of what we've got out there, that's basically about 11.3%. If you look at the size that's out there, just go into midpoint, 11.3%. And if you take our 12 point 1% number that we end up this year at, take out about 10 basis points from Mexico, right, coming out of the number, and about 60 basis points of gross margin, I mean, that takes us very close to where we are.
And then it's slightly higher, that's it, slightly higher, but very close to where we are in our banks. Does that help?
Yes, yes. Appreciate the color. And I guess on gross margins, you make the point that the savings from for this moderating inventory inflation and also the supplier initiative that is more back end loaded. I mean historically, I guess in an inflationary environment, your gross margins typically go down sequentially throughout the year. Given the dynamic this year, do you expect that you'll be able to hold gross margin steady throughout the year or even maybe improve it a little in the back half given the rebates and so forth?
Or do you given the weak environment, do you have to give back some of these savings to in terms of more attractive pricing to customers to kind of boost volume? How are you thinking about that?
So, complex question. So, I'll hand a little part of it and Eric can even chip in and do more. So, yes, first of all, yes, I mean, the supplier summit initiatives that we're talking about do benefit later because most supplier rebate programs are calendar year programs. Given our inventory terms, the benefits of these new deals will mostly materialize in our P and L. I mean, from Q4 really as it comes in and continue well into 2021, right?
I mean, that's what you see there. The only other factor to remember, and I think I mentioned it, but the only other factor to remember is that we also have the price cost escalation that's flowing through is beginning to abate and will be abating more as you get into the second half of the year.
Karen, and just to weigh in, I think Rustom answered perfectly. The only thing I'd say is you are right to point out that if you looked at our historic pattern without significant inflation, you are correct that generally Q4 by the time you get to Q4 it drifts down versus Q1. And look hard to give guidance out that far, right? I mean hard to know exactly what happens, but absent a change Rustam described it well, there's 2 dynamics this year that are a bit different from a typical year, one being the fact that purchase costs abate and then add on to that the back end loaded supplier benefits that we see coming. So I think you answered it well.
Okay. So it's fair to say that the gross margin trend could be more stable versus what we had witnessed maybe in the past 2 years?
Well, we provided a range. I mean, the framework's a range. We used 42 as the midpoint and then we've got the range going in there.
Okay. I appreciate the color. Thank you.
Our next question comes from Steven Volkmann with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Steven, your line is now live.
Sorry about that. Can you hear me now?
Oh, now we got you. On mute. Yes.
Well, we keep mute to avoid any embarrassment, but then we forget. So anyway, can we pull on the string just a little bit more, specifically on price cost? What are you thinking for that in 2020?
So look, Steven, what I would
say is let me start and
I'll answer your question. Let me start high level and drill it. I think what we would see is over a cycle, okay, over an inflation cycle, what we've seen if you take the last few years, price cost has been roughly flat. We are now late stage and we have been for the last couple of quarters and we've been pointing out price cost turned negative. We are price cost negative now.
If you look over time, and I'll sort of lay out a gross margin formula for you, with price cost about a wash, what we have been seeing is somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 to 50 basis points of gross margin erosion due to mix, a mix headwind, okay? So right there, 40 to 50 basis points. If price cost were equal, we would therefore obviously be looking at a 40 to 50 basis point year on year gross margin erosion. When price cost is positive, that gets better. Reference FY 2018.
When price cost is negative, that gets worse. Look at the tail end of FY 2019 and look at right now. So net net, as Rustom said, we can't give you a precise number for 2020, but if you take the middle of our framework at 42.0, what that says is for the year, price costs would be slightly negative. But with the but that Rustom talked about earlier, it's going to be much more heavily negative in the first half and it's going to look a lot better towards the end of the fiscal year for the reasons we described.
Okay, great. That's helpful. And then just as we think about the top line, you sort of have the 0% midpoint on your framework. But I guess I would assume that based on some of the new contract wins, etcetera, you'd outperform the market. So is it accurate to say that the midpoint of your guidance sort of looks at market growth being negative and kind of how much outgrowth do you think you could get relative to end markets?
Yes, Steven. So look, what I would say, as we look at our performance right now, what I would tell you in terms of our performance relative to market, what we've been saying for the last couple of quarters is we're around in line with market. And that's due to a bunch of the factors that we've talked about, including some of the disruption from the changes we've made from the couple of government contract losses that you referenced roughly in line. I don't think much has changed this quarter. Certainly, what you're seeing is a deterioration in the growth rate that is reflective of what's happening in heavy manufacturing and metalworking.
Those have definitely turned sharply down and I think we're feeling the effects. What we're seeing in terms of the framework for now, it's basically assuming business as usual. Now you are right. As we look out, I certainly expect us over time here to reestablish our share gain gap to market, our growth gap to market, which historically we've talked about as being the 300 to 400 basis point range. And yes, you're hitting on one of the levers or you hit on a couple of the levers that we're focused on.
And really there's 3. One is business development. We like what we see. We like the wins. And we are not only going to continue focusing on implementation of existing wins.
We're ramping up the team to accelerate the wins. 2 is government and turning that program around and hopefully once again making that a tailwind. I think we're making some nice changes to the program, which should materialize. And then the third is just some of the refinements that I described that Eddie and team are making to the plan. It was a sound plan, but it's being refined.
Over time, we expect that gap to grow. Now what I can't determine is what happens to the environment certainly, but as we move forward, I absolutely would expect the growth gap to restore over time.
Great, great. That's helpful. And then maybe just a real quick one for Rustom. If we do have sort of a flattish year in 2020, what does that do, do you think, to working capital? You mentioned potentially some opportunity there.
Yes. So typically, in this business, when the economy is weak, I mean, working capital reduces and you'll see some cash coming back. So our free cash flow will go up.
Okay. I'll leave it there. Thank you.
Our next question comes from David Manthey with Baird. Please go
ahead. Hey, good morning guys. Hi, Dave.
Hi. So just mathematically, the 20,000,000 dollars in incentives on the gross margin line, it's about 50 to 60 basis points annually. And I guess you're saying you should get some fraction of that, maybe half in fiscal 2020. So just if I'm reading this right, at the 42.0 mid point, are you assuming that the core sort of declines 25 to 30 basis points and then you make up that difference with these supplier incentives?
So Dave, yes, I mean, look, we have the usual secular mix headwind that comes as we grow more from parts of the business that had lower gross margins. I mean, we expect that to continue. So this should help when you look to the number. But also remember, I mean, the 42.0 is going off the Q4, Q4 of fiscal 2019.
And Dave, if you wanted to do some math, I mean, I think where you're going is right, which is take a look at the last quarter or 2 and the Q1 guide. We're looking at something like 100 basis points year on year gross margin change. The midpoint of the framework would imply 60 basis points. So obviously, what that would mean is towards the end of the year, it gets better. And you are correct, it's actually a little bit less than half of the total $20,000,000 would be seen in this fiscal, and we would reach the full run rate and the basis point impact you described in 2021.
Got it. Okay. Thank you. And second, as far as your e commerce disclosure, it seems that you mix in there both traditional direct marketing business along with elements of your high touch model like VMI and vending. Is there any way you can tell us in the quarter what percentage of sales were just mscdirect.com, so we can kind of parse out the percentage that's resulting from your efforts as a mission critical partner on the shop floor?
Dave, that's a good point. What I would tell you is that I know the number is handy. We number, it's a little over 50% has been from mscdirectdot com and that's not radically different than if you look back over the last year or so and that would be the traditional web business. If where you're going is you're correct. So that number has that mscdirect.com, it also has vending and e procurement type business.
I don't have the number handy. What I would point, just one data point that we didn't mention in the prepared remarks is vending. So while I don't have the percentage of business flowing through vending, we are seeing good traction on vending. And we've talked about this year signings being up. Signings for the quarter year on year, so for Q4, were up, I want to say it was over 80% year on year.
So in terms of where you're going of movement to the new strategy, with some of these changes we made, we are seeing traction with vending inventory management getting close to the plant floor.
Great. Thanks, Eric.
Our next question comes from Robert Barry with Buckingham Research. Please go ahead.
Hey, guys. Good morning.
Hi Rob.
Just to connect the dots
on the gross margin, I'm not sure if you said how much Mexico is, I think that's maybe 5 or 10. But it sounds like your price cost is say 20 or 30 and sources of growth 50 offset by about 25 of benefit from the supplier incentives. I think that adds up to about $55,000,000 or $60,000,000 Those kind of the main moving pieces?
Rob, are you talking Q1 or the year?
For the year, I'm sorry. Yes, the down 60. I'm trying to get to the components of the down 60.
Yes. So I
mean I think they've filtered out through the call. I was just kind of listing the Mexico price cost sources of growth and the supplier incentives.
Right. So you've got Mexico is about 20 basis points coming from there, right? You've got over time, you've got the supplier incentives, which you're talking about, which are remember that we talked about the 60 basis points or so. And even if you consider that half half, okay, so it's roughly in that ballpark. They've got about 30 basis points or so positive coming in that direction.
You have the secular sort of headwind as well that I talked about, 40 or and that Eric talked about actually, 40 basis points that come through from that. And the rest is price costs. I mean, it's about 25. Yes.
That's about 25. Great. Okay, perfect. And then just to clarify from an earlier question, I think is the delta between the down 4 and the up 4 on the growth all about just what the end markets do? It sounded like you assumed no outgrowth.
There could be some, but it sounds like you didn't assume any in the framework. Is that
correct?
Yes. Rob, look, I mean, really what we did here, what we tried to do with you right, so from minus 4 to plus 4 is a pretty wide swing. But essentially, what we're trying to get at is those are reflective of economic scenarios environments. And we could refer to them as a slightly positive scenario and a slightly negative scenario. Obviously, at the moment, given our Q1 guide, we'd be sitting in the slightly negative scenario for the quarter.
Who knows what happens for the year? Yes, look, I think should we really start to outperform and reestablish a gap, yes, that would certainly move us up regardless of environment, But what we were reflecting there was more about environment.
Got it. And just based on the historic correlation with the MBI, would you expect that the business would probably continue to decelerate into 2Q?
So tough to tell. It'll depend this is going to sound kind of silly, Rob, but a lot of it will depend on what's happening. Look, there's so much uncertainty right now, Rob. Certainly, what I'll do is speak to what we have in Q1. You could see that our guide of at the midpoint of our guide was minus 1.5%.
If you look at September October, Rustom did the math for you, we are expecting a little more of a step down in November and that's based on what we're seeing in the business, what we're seeing in the environment. To go beyond that is so tricky because, look, there's so much swirling now. There's so much uncertainty over trade and tariffs. Things change quickly in this business and we tend to be a leading indicator, not a trailing indicator. So tough to call it beyond that.
Got it. Got it. Just lastly for me, I think the growth investment in the 1st three quarters was tracking at a sum of about 15,000,000 dollars I didn't hear any in 4Q. So maybe that was like 1 or 0. But would you expect the growth investment in the 2020 P and L to be kind of a decline from that $15,000,000 $16,000,000 or kind of level or higher?
So, look, it's a combination of factors there and hard to give full guidance this early, right? Because we are going to look at the performance, as we say, the new business people coming in, the performance, the environment, all the rest of that. But part of what we are doing as well is even the efforts, the $2,300,000 we mentioned in Q1, the efforts we've got underway right now, as we're taking as you know, as we're moving away, eliminating positions that aren't required in the business, we're also redeploying the money into areas where there's business development, field sales, service, all the rest of it, areas that we think will generate growth.
And Rob, just to put some more color. Rustom gave you a sense, and I think he's right. A lot of this is going to depend on we flex up, flex down based on 2 factors. 1, the performance we're seeing out of the investments and 2, the environment. That's what he was saying.
Just a little more color, I think in terms of where the investments are going, by and large similar to what we've been doing, which is focused on inventory management, I. E, vending and VMI, Business development, we like what we see there. It's going to be expanding. We like what we see from vending. I mentioned that the growth rates in vending are up.
Signings are way up. And then with 1 or 2 new things sprinkled in based upon a fresh look from Eddie, I mentioned CCSG as an example of where we're seeing some nice traction and they're going to continue building on it. So similar program with 1 or 2 new twists based on a fresh look.
Got it. All right. Well, appreciate all the color. Thank you.
Our next question comes from Michael McGinn with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Thanks for the time today, gentlemen. Hi, Michael. I to go back to the free cash flow comments. If I look historically, your free cash flow conversion has been over average of about 150 percent in a down environment. Just you noted vending signings are going to be positive this year.
I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything on the CapEx side or and then what are your priorities for that cash flow going forward?
So CapEx $60,000,000 to $70,000,000 You're correct if you go back to math. I mean, if you look at 'sixteen, if you're going it's going back a few years, but that was a down environment. Free cash flow was $313,000,000 that year. I'm not saying that that's the guidance, by the way. I'm just providing others behind what we save in the net working capital and free cash flow in down environments.
What we do with the cash, I mean, we continue to invest, I mean, priority 1A is to invest as much as we can in the business. 1B is to enhance dividends, I mean, ordinary dividends. We've had a 19% dividend per share increase this year. So it's a steady ordinary dividend growth. And then after that, with the money that's left behind, I mean, there's lots of stuff.
We can have buybacks. We can have special dividends. We can just keep the cash. I mean, it's a tough environment like there is today, there's an advantage to having a strong balance sheet with lots of cash and lots of firepower.
Okay. And if I could just touch move to the end markets real quick. Going back a ways, you acquired a business called J and L. I believe that business had some auto exposure. Just wanted to check-in, see if you have anything on the GM front with that strike going on or any impact to your business that you could kind of break out?
Yes, Michael, look, what I would say is definitely that move, the J and L move enhanced our Midwest presence considerably. I mean, if you look at the I mean, the answer is yes, we're feeling it. Even though we always talk about the fact our direct exposure to some of these big end markets like automotive is low. What's really big and is hard to get precision on is the indirect effect, meaning a lot of the machine shops, job shops that we service, service that industry. If you look in the op stats, you'll notice in Q4, while total company revenues were positive, Midwest was actually negative already in Q4.
And you got 2 things going on there that we saw acutely, one being automotive for sure and the second being ag, which another acquisition, our Deco acquisition increased our ag exposure being based in Iowa. Both of those not surprisingly contributed to what we saw in the Midwest.
Right, right. And then if I can just sneak one more in here. For the second half of this year, can you kind of I'm sorry if I missed this, can you bucket basically the level of upside you're expecting between the rebate initiative versus the inventory costing initiative? Which is more impactful for the second half of this year?
Yes. We did not we sort of lumped them together. And Michael, as you can imagine, there's some sensitivity around. We're talking about programs with specific suppliers. So what we're doing is we're bucketing them for purposes of what we're conveying here.
And look, the punch line is of the $20,000,000 that is an annualized number, full effect in 2021, under half, slightly less than half in 2020. Of that, it's made up of both. Some will come through average costing and a good chunk will come in rebate, most of that coming in our Q4. Appreciate the color.
Our next question comes from Patrick Baumann with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Good morning, Eric. Good morning, Wristam. Thanks for taking my questions. Just had a maybe first just circling back on operating expenses. I was looking at the Q1 guidance and thinking it would maybe in pod 2020 would be down like low single digit percent year over year for that $1,000,000,000 bucket of operating expenses.
But it seems like you're saying flat to up. So I just want to clarify kind of from the low to the high end of the framework, how to think about that $1,000,000,000 bucket of operating expenses year over year versus 2019?
So, yes, so in a flat yes, you nailed it actually. In a flat environment on the framework, we would be up about 0% to 1%, we're saying. So I mean, you call it that $0,000,000 to $10,000,000 ballpark, right, on the number. And that is quite simply the function of everything we did. We have $6,000,000 of savings coming out of net savings coming out of the Q4 stuff.
We have that amount and roughly a little bit more coming out from the indirect procurement. We've got a whole bunch of other initiatives, pluses and minuses there and investments going on. So the net number with also, by the way, we have higher wages. This is still a reasonably tight employment economy as well, too. So we do have wage and salary inflation as well baked into our numbers.
So the net number coming out of all of that is exactly where you are, up slightly.
Patrick, the only thing, not much to add comprehensive look, and I think that's probably the right way to index it is the way Rustom did at a flat economy because it takes out variable. The only other thing I'd say is, look, there's some discretion here depending upon what If things were to deteriorate further, look, you'd see us adjust and If things were to deteriorate further, look, you'd see us adjust and adjust quickly. So there's some room there. And what he's doing is indexing for you saying flat to flat. It's kind of the easiest way to benchmark it, but we Got it.
And then maybe along those lines, just thinking more medium term, like how do you think
about the
Got it.
And then maybe along those lines, just thinking more medium term, like how do you guys at this point, think about the incremental margin framework if the macro environment is kind of more normal, maybe, assuming you guys grow low to mid single digits organically or whatever you guys think about it, just curious if you could update on the framework for incremental margins in your mind?
Yes, sure, Patrick. So, let me start and I'll sort of walk you down. And we put a little color already on how to think about gross margin that over an economic cycle, price cost likely to be flat, roughly flat call it. And again, that means that early in the cycle, I. E, 2018 price cost is going to be positive.
Late in the cycle like we're seeing right now, price cost is negative. Over time roughly flat. And then we are left with the mix pressures that we've talked about in the business of somewhere 40 to 50 basis points. Looking at the revenue line, we would expect to deliver again, over a full economic cycle here, at least mid single digit revenue growth, hopefully better, but at least mid single digit revenue growth. At those levels, we see ourselves generating we should generate at least 40 to 50 basis points of operating leverage, potentially more, but at least 40 to 50, therefore offsetting gross margin degradation.
And then you add on top of that, I think there's 2 ways where that brings you obviously is op margins flat. How do op margins grow and how do we get incrementals above current levels? Really 2 ways. 1 is revenue growth back to historic levels of high single digit where we would see more leverage. And the second thing is improvements we're making to the business, to the operating model and the cost structure, which have begun now, certainly would then create a path to layer on top of that and create op margin expansion.
Got it. Okay. So base case, you hold margins in kind of a mid single digit growth environment. Upside case would be maybe 15% to 20% incrementals. Is that lower than 6%, 7%?
In the base as we see it, if I look out over, call it, the next 5 years, I would say in the base case are some of the improvements to cost structure and operating model that would enhance that. So look, do we get to 20% plus? To me, it's one step at a time. Like, let's get this back on track. But I would say that the things that we're talking about would be part of the base case.
Got it. Helpful color. And then maybe last one for me quickly. Just you said you're assuming a further step down in sales in November. I just I guess my question is what's your visibility to that?
Or are you just being conservative?
It's so I'll take it. Patrick, I would say visibility as usual low. And if anything really low right now given all the uncertainty, it is so hard to say. Hard to say whether we're being conservative or not. Basically, what we're doing is we're looking at the trending in the business.
So look, you've seen a step down from Q4, we were positive. September, we were 0.5. It was 0.6. October got a little worse. And then you add on top of that what we're seeing from our suppliers, what we're hearing in the channel.
Our suppliers, not only their numbers, what they're seeing in their channels, what we're seeing in the MBI and discussions that we have. As always, this is sort of our best guess based upon all those factors and right now that's what we see. Hard to go out past November to be honest.
Okay. Thanks a lot. Appreciate the time and good luck.
Thank you.
Our last question comes from Justin Bergner with G. Research. Please go ahead.
Good morning and thank you for taking my question.
Hi Justin.
Hi. I just want to review the mix headwinds. I realize they sort of just get mentioned pretty quickly in conversations, but could you just review what are the drivers of those mix of that 40 to 50 basis point mix headwind and what would cause that to get smaller or or larger?
Very quickly, the secular mix headwind is as we do more vending, as we do direct ships as we do more national accounts, all areas that have grown in the last few years, there's a secular sort of headwind quite agnostic from what's happening with price costs and that impacts GM.
Okay. And that headwind has sort of remained at that level pretty consistently. It hasn't fluctuated too much higher, too much lower in any given year?
One thing I'll say, Justin, it moves around. I mean, so we're look, we're giving you 40 to 50 depending upon because it's a mix headwind, it's a lot of function of exactly how fast the different channels, the different customer types and product types grow at. What we're giving you is an estimate. Could it be more or less? Absolutely, but that's kind of the rough range.
Great. Thank you for fitting me in.
This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to John Corona for any closing remarks.
Thank you, Brandon, and thank you everyone for joining us today. Our next earnings date is set for January 8, 2020, and we certainly look forward to speaking with you over the coming months.