Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Q3 2020 Matador Resources Company Earnings Conference Call. My name is Sarah and I'll be serving as the operator for today. At this time, all participant lines are in a listen only mode. We will facilitate a question and answer session at the end of the company's remarks. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded for replay purposes and the replay will be available on the company's website through November 30, 2020, as discussed in the company's earnings press release issued yesterday.
I will now turn the call over to Mr. Max Smith, Capital Markets Coordinator for Matador. Mr. Smith, you may proceed.
Thank you, Sarah, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Matador's Q3 2020 earnings conference call. Some of the presenters today will reference certain non GAAP financial measures regularly used by Matador Resources in measuring the company's financial performance. Reconciliations of such non GAAP financial measures with the comparable financial measures calculated in accordance with GAAP are contained at the end of the company's earnings press release. As a reminder, certain statements included in this morning's presentation may be forward looking and reflect the company's current expectations or forecasts of future events based on the information that is now available. Actual results and future events could differ materially from those anticipated in such statements.
Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially are contained in the company's earnings release and its most recent quarterly report on Form 10 Q. Finally, in addition to our earnings release issued yesterday, I would like to remind everyone that you can find a slide presentation in connection with the Q3 2020 earnings release under the Investor Relations tab of our corporate website. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Joe Foran, our Chairman and CEO. Joe?
Thank you, Mac, and good morning to everyone and thank you for participating in today's call. We appreciate your time and interest in Matador very much. Similar to last quarter, we have the 5 slides as Mac mentioned and we want you to know that we will stay and answer any questions you have for as long as you all want to talk. I have prepared remarks as part of the earnings release In the interest of time to give more time for questions and discussion, I'm going to skip over that and go directly to the slides. The slides are aimed at not just reporting on the quarter, but to give you a feel how well we've done with our goals and metrics for the year.
On there, if you look at that slide in particular, you may remember at the very first of the year we said that we had a series of wells to do that we were going to drill the 6 Rodney Robinson wells in January February and bring them online. And then in April May that we would have the Ray wells and in June July we'd have the Leatherneck wells. And then in September we would have both the San Mateo expansion online and operating and drill the first 13 wells in the Boris area at Stateline. We've accomplished all of those projects on time, on budget and in the drilling case better than budget under budget. So that happened as we said.
We also resolved to improve the balance sheet which we had. We went down from 6 rigs to 3 rigs and took other steps reducing capital costs, G and A and LOE. And you may remember that Matador was the very first company to take salary cuts and I took a 25% pay cut. The Board when I told what I was doing voluntarily took 25% pay cuts too and we went all down the line. The Executive Vice Presidents took 20 percent, regular Vice Presidents took 10% and the staff each of the staff took 5%.
We also rotated young engineers out into the field to take a place of a lot of contract people which led to capital cost savings and G and A savings. And then this is the year we were really going to stress. In 2018, we drilled 1% longer laterals. In 2019, it was 29% and this year it's in the high 80%. And that was a very important step for us to move from 1 mile laterals to 2 mile laterals because in doing so, you really improve your capital efficiency as shown.
So to step up into what we say the better performers, capital efficiency was essential to carrying out that part of our business plan. We restructured our hedge portfolio in order to protect our balance sheet and our leverage ratio on our bank covenants. The San Mateo has continued to improve and now that the line is 43 miles across some of the best country in the Delaware, we're anticipating stronger quarters by quarter and that's worked out as well. Our marketing group has worked hard to get the best possible prices and we've done a number of non core asset divestitures on more or less a brick by brick. We have not one of our options was monetizing mineral interest or even part of San Mateo.
Fortunately, our performance was strong enough in other areas that we didn't need to turn to those options to improve the balance sheet. We're on our way. The balance sheet will get better. We're delighted that the banks have approved, reaffirmed our bank line of credit and we thank RBC and Comerica and the other lead banks in the group for their support and means a lot to us and we really value that relationship. Then as we mentioned the San Mateo got its pipeline and it's right away and it's all the various equipment done on time and under budget.
It's operational and we really appreciate the extra work that our field people did on that and on production this year and really put in the extra time to make it all come together a very complex project. And down in the lower corner of Slide 8, you see the capital efficiency, the better drilling and completion costs which are not quite but almost half of what they were a year ago. On Slide B, it just shows that our guidance for our debt picture is will be better than we had originally projected and we'll continue to work on that in 2021 as our most important or one of our very most important projects. Slide C just reflects the drilling accomplishments that we appreciate Billy and Chris and Glen and Cliff for getting that done. That's been a major achievement and really improves the well economics.
Many people ask why you still keep 3 rigs running? Why not reduce to 2 or 1 or none? And at these prices over the years I've been out here 40 years and the wells you drill when oil is down will be the most profitable wells that you will have because when you earn an extra dollar of revenue, the royalty owner takes a big chunk of it. The state takes a big chunk and you're left with 55% or 65% something like that. But when you lower a cost that whole dollar can go to your bottom line.
And we want to express appreciation for our operations group. You may hear more about this if you ask the question, but working with the relationships that we have with Patterson, with Halliburton or with Schlumberger or any of Patterson International, their frac crew, all of that. We really don't try our approach is not to try to beat them down so much on price, but ask them where we can where and how we can improve efficiencies and they've been good. And so this a lot of the savings here are not from beating them down on price at all, but the way they've worked with us which we very much appreciate how to be more efficient. And so we're getting better, but they're getting better too.
They're getting more work done in a single day and want them to know how much we appreciate working with us hand in hand. Slide D simply tells you where we've had some very substantial savings, 3 $60,000,000 more than we expected and where it came from and our expectancy that we'll have further $328,000,000 year to date, but we still expect more savings in this 4th quarter. And the final slide is just how it's all turning out. But going back to Q4 2016 which was a difficult challenge in time too, you can see the steady progress that we've made on our production and particularly in the Delaware that now we're up there approaching 70,000 BOEs and are excited about the lineup for this Q4. The EBITDA goes up and down with price, but we've still managed increases relative to the price that has been hard work.
But this the teams of various departments really work really well together. And I think I'm as proud of these numbers as I am in easier times when prices were higher. And then the last you can see the progress San Mateo is making and particularly ramping up now that we have this expansion and increased capacity in our gas processing, our saltwater disposal and our oil gathering. And with that, I'd like to say once again, we like our chances very much going forward. We would now take your questions.
Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Scott Hanold with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.
Thanks. Good morning, guys. Joe, you all had made a noticeable pivot to look at free cash flow going forward and made a comment through 2021. Can you just give us a sense of how has your mind changed given everything that's happened over the last year or so on the strategy of Matador? And is that a sustainable change you think is going to occur and maybe around some of the moving parts around that?
Yes. Thank you, Scott. It's just really a question of what's most important under this under all the circumstances to create value. And last year at this time or a little earlier, we realized that 1 mile laterals were okay. They were profitable, but they weren't going to be as profitable or as helpful as a 2 mile lateral.
So we saw to get the pathway for us was first get to the hurdle where we were capital efficient. That saves money and makes better wells that have the 2 mile laterals have less declines. They're more profitable. I mean, there's just a lot of value getting to be more capital efficient. And to do that, we saw the opportunity in the BLM lease.
We paid up for it. We took flack for it, But we've already doubled our money on it in adding value to our asset base and we have a lot more wells to drill and a lot more oil and gas to harvest. So that needed to be to act on that and to get that project going and at least the first step in that completed put us in an entirely going from 1% longer laterals to upper 80s almost 90%. You can see what a difference that made. Now having done that and having gone into debt to acquire that, that was temporary debt.
We weren't going to do that. Having accomplished that in the expansion of San Mateo, which is a no decline business that put us in a deal with lower declines on our oil wells and lower declines on our overall cash flow because San Mateo is cash flowing and now that we have the merger, it'll do even better. So that had to be done first. Now that we've done that and free cash flow is an option, we appreciate our bank support all through this and it's time for them to get some back and improve our leverage ratio. And they've worked with us, but it's now their term.
And once we do some of that, then we could look at the options we have to return some or more to the shareholders. That's not on there's no definite plan because first thing is get the banks get the bank debt down and then we can consider other options. The pivot as you know, you've known us for a long, long time, early days of Matador, we didn't have any debt. But it came along that run the business as a public company. A little leverage was helpful to the overall growth.
So then in 40 years of the business, we've always paid money back and we're proud of our credit ratings. And but it's timely to make a little change and also listen to our shareholders who we respect and think they have ideas and they're in agreement. They've been in agreement with us to do this first to achieve capital efficiency. So you're modern, but also take care of your other obligations. And so we're on that line.
And I hope that answers your question, but if not, give me a follow-up, Scott.
Yes. And just to confirm, I mean, this
is and so this is
a plan, I mean, you talked your 2021, but this is sort of like a go forward plan at this point, right? It's not necessarily just through 2020 plan, 2021 plan.
No. I mean, I think that historically we like having our leverage ratio down there at closer to 2 or below. And it's not that we have a debt problem. It's just under EBITDA because of price. When we went public, oil was at close to $100 and now we're working at $40 But next year, I mean we're going to produce maybe 15,000,000 barrels.
I'll use that number multiply. If you had $5 extra price 45 that'd be 75,000,000 if you were lucky enough to get $50 that'd be 15,000,000 dollars by that multiplication. And that gives you a lot of firepower to get the debt down there to 2 or below, but that's where we'd like to be. But the first step is to think about what builds value and we thought the really most critical thing was get to where you could achieve this capital efficiency that would build the long term value. David, would you add to that
on that? No, I don't think so. I think Scott, we do feel like that the plan that we have going forward can be sustainable and one that will generate cash not only next year, but in the future as well. So that's I think that's the path that we're trying to embark upon.
Okay. Well, I appreciate that clarification. And as my follow-up question, consolidation obviously has hit the energy space and particularly you all are in a position where there a lot of the mid cap counterparts are going away. Where do you fit into that conversation? And obviously, you're in a unique position where, again, from a SMIDCAP perspective, there are not many close peers aligned with you.
Does it make sense for you to be part of the consolidation going forward?
Scott, at this present time, I don't see much of an advantage. Look, we're achieving what everybody wants to have, which is production is going up, costs are coming down. We're starting to return banks to the banks. We have grown from a standing start. You remember when we went public in 2012, we had no production in New Mexico.
And now we're probably going to be we're currently in the top 10 in both gas and oil. And as this consolidation happens, we'll probably move up to 5 or 6. We're at 7, I think, currently. So we're ahead of WPX and some of these Marathon, some of these other much bigger companies. So we think we're playing with them and that our numbers or returns are as strong as anybody.
Now having said that, we don't think we need a partner. We also recognize we're a public company and we play a straight game. So if someone were to make a serious offer, we'd give it serious consideration. But in the meantime, Scott, is that if you look at the ownership of Matador and the executive group, we made far more from our stock going up with our ownership. I'm the largest single shareholder.
But Matt and David, the whole group own a multiple of most of their peers in other companies. We make far more from our stock going up than we do from our salary. So our primary interest is getting the price up. So the no premium deals don't have much. We don't see the appeal.
The staff is complete. The others don't have a midstream which is again gives us a big advantage operationally and financially. And that's built out pretty well in our areas. And but again, we as you've heard us say often we reserve the right to get smarter. And if some opportunity is presented in front of us that is good for our shareholders, we'll do it.
But we're shareholders too. I mean that's the thing about it. We have a big ownership. So we're motivated. We just hadn't seen the deals, any deals that would be a good fit culturally or financially or from a property asset base.
And we think we have a really good path ahead of us. Now that we've proved up Stateline, Rodney, other deals and have the midstream. Does that answer Matt? Would you add anything to that? No, I
think you said it well, Joe. I think from my perspective, I think the notion just we're continuing to create value. We're not opportunity poor, we're opportunity rich. So we've got a lot of things that we can do. That being said, like you said, if the right deal comes along and it's accretive to what we're doing, we certainly would be willing to look into it and do what's best for the shareholders.
Appreciate the color. Thanks guys.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gail Nicholson with Stephens. Your line is now open.
Good morning. You guys had really strong boroughs wells that came online. When you look at your look at the actual performance of those wells versus your pre drill expectations? How do things compare? And then also specifically, the lower Wolfcamp B well looks a little bit gassier than your normal Wolfcamp B mix.
Can you just talk about what you saw there?
Yes, sure. Hi Gail, it's David. Well, first of all, I think clearly we were very pleased with all the wells that we turned to sales this quarter, in particular the Boros wells. I think as we mentioned in the release, they uniformly came out better than we anticipated. We knew they were going to be very good wells.
We knew when we bought that 2 years ago, it was going to be an excellent area. And I think these first wells have certainly borne that out in a big way. With regard specifically to the Wolfcamp B, first of all, I think we were very pleased with the results of both the Wolfcamp B wells. The Upper Wolfcamp B, I believe had around 37% oil cut, which honestly is quite very close and in line with sort of what our Wolfcamp B wells have been at Rustler Gregg. So I think that was certainly in line with the expectation.
And then even though the lower B well is a little bit gassier, those wells have extremely high pressure that well was making 15 barrels a day and I mean 15,000,000 cubic feet of natural gas per day and a whole bunch of oil and the gas itself is very liquids rich. So you're probably talking a 1300, 1400 Btu gas there. So I think that it's a very strong natural gas well along with a lot of liquids content. And from the midstream standpoint, it's even more exciting. So I think that I think we were very pleased with all the results.
You probably got a 1,000 foot of Wolfcamp B there at the state line. And so we've tested 2 intervals and I can guarantee you that Ned Frost who's sitting at my right this morning probably has got 2 or 3 more just in the Wolfcamp B itself that we might consider testing before this is all over. So I think what we've demonstrated is the B continues to be a very important target for us and we're excited about the opportunities to develop it going forward. I will just add, I think there was one of the notes out this morning that was pointing to the fact that we weren't drilling any bees on the Bonnie side right now. And I thought I might just take a moment and just say has nothing to do with the results that we got on the borough side.
We actually started drilling those Bonnie wells back in May and part of our appraisal program was rather than testing the B on the Bonnie side, we chose to test the 1st Bone Spring on the Bonnie side. So I think right now everything is going very much according to plan or better with the state line development. I will say I could not have foreseen that we would be able to bring those wells in under $800 a foot. So I think that not only the results from a well performance standpoint, but from a capital efficiency standpoint and a big shout out to everybody at Matador, particularly on the drilling completions operation side, the production aspect of that project was a very big scale for Matador and it was just pulled off without a hitch. And I really want to compliment our teams for everything they did to get that pulled together when we said it would be done.
Yes, sir.
Yes, along those lines, just give you a feel is our completion group had 750 separate fracs. So for 24 hours a day for 2 months, they were out here fracking those wells and no hitches. Unbelievable great performance by VM. Just think of that the magnitude of 7 50 fracs, 20 fourseven for 2 months. And the same thing to our production group and our guys in the field, Jason and Doug for coordinating the 3 pipe system getting to the Rodney Robinsons because you couldn't produce them if you weren't on pipe that you couldn't get trucks up that road that would have handled it.
So coordinating having all three pipes gas, water and oil there at the same time getting them online, bring them on with just a great feed and that's why I mentioned to that our group fully moved up steps get to the point where they could do a project of this scale proving that they could gives us a lot more options to do and number of zones here gives us a lot of options. So we're still in the appraisal phase of both projects and that's exciting in itself. So, thank you for the question.
Thank you for all that color. I think sometimes us excel junkies don't really fully appreciate everything that goes into bringing on a massive project like for us. San Mateo gives you a huge financial benefit and I feel like sometimes the market does not appreciate the kind of turning of the free cash generation in the San Mateo side as well as the incentive benefits. Can you just kind of talk through 2021 and how you see San Mateo kind of underpinning and helping that free cash flow generation outside of the commodity price environment?
Yes, Gail, this is Matt. Good morning. Kind of walk you through a little bit of that and thank you for the question. We're really excited about San Mateo and how it contributes to the free cash flow discussion for Madron in the aggregate. So if we just contemplate that and Joe said we'll use simple numbers here.
If San Mateo throws off $130,000,000 in EBITDA next year, we'll get past that. So we'll get about $65,000,000 We anticipate there will be maybe $5,000,000 that will go towards interest expense, so that gets us down to $60,000,000 We also think that the maintenance CapEx for First San Mateo for the year will probably be around 40,000,000 dollars So we'll be responsible for half of that. So you take $20,000,000 off of that and it gets you down to $40,000,000 Then you add in the incentives like you mentioned, we're going to get $15,000,000 for San Mateo 1. We think there's probably going to be $15,000,000 maybe $20,000,000 for San Mateo 2. So you add all that up, you end up with about $75,000,000 in free cash flow that San Mateo will throw off in 2021.
So and that's with the current volume. So if we were able to add additional third party volumes, it would get even better than that. So we're very excited about the free cash flow story of San Mateo.
And Matt, you're exactly right. It's not fully appreciated how do these in tandem, drilling the wells, expanding the plant works for a win win situation because we've gotten the drilling incentives both for San Mateo 1, San Mateo 2 even though it's merged and you provide the oil, gas and water, the midstream business to San Mateo, so they prosper as well. And underappreciated asset and that again will provide value for years to come.
Yes, Gail, if I put on my Sam Mateo hat, what I'm really looking for is a midstream company is an anchor tenant that's going to do what they say they're going to do and we've got that with Matador. So when we did the expansion, the only volumes we contemplated in the economics were Matador volumes. So that project works if we don't get any third party. On the Matador side, the wells that we're drilling in the State Line and up in the Stebbins area and even at Russell Breaks are wells that we would drill with or without a drilling incentive. And so, like Joe said, it's just a really nice way to work up both business units together.
It's a great asset. I really appreciate the color. Thank you so much.
Thank you, Gil. Thank you, Gil. Bye.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gabe Daoud with Cowen. Your line is now open.
Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for all the color so far. Maybe wanted to start a little bit on CapEx and understand there's timing differences between accrual and cash CapEx, but if I just kind of look at the financials through 3Q, it looks like there's maybe about $140,000,000 difference between cash and accrual if I look at total upstream capital and then 100 percent of San Mateo CapEx. So I guess I was just curious if we should expect to see that reverse in 4Q or moving forward?
Well, Gabe, this is David. Look, all I can say is that the as you know, the CapEx numbers that we report each quarter are the accrued CapEx and that's whether that cash is actually gone out the door or not, we're required to report it or we do report it on an accrual basis. And so every operation that's been completed by the end of the quarter is included in that accrued CapEx number. You're very correct that because we consolidate San Mateo that the cash flow always reflects 100% of the San Mateo capital spend, the cash flow statement does. And in this past year, Matador has been responsible for less than 50% of that because of the fact that we still had some portion of the carried interest that we had negotiated.
So really in 2019 2020, Matador had much less than its ownership. I think if you went back and looked at the total capital spend for the San Mateo II expansion that we probably ended up with paying about a third of the expansion cost, maybe 35% and we ended up with 51% ownership in the expansion. Of course, if you have, I think, quarters where you've had higher accrued CapEx that may show up then in the next quarter and then it rolls itself off as you go through. So there's always going to be a little bit of a disconnect between the accrual and the cash flow CapEx as we I think the other thing to point out is as we've rolled from 6 rigs to 3 rigs, just the general both capital spend and cash flow spend that you'll see will go down and continue to stay down as we go forward.
Thanks David, that's helpful. Then just as
a follow-up, maybe
try to get a little more detail on 'twenty one. I think you asked this last quarter too, but I guess just curious if we should still expect a mid single digit oil growth number year over year at capital that's about $100,000,000 or so less than 2020? And does that program still deliver free cash flow at $40 oil?
Look, I think that we do expect that with the 3 rig program that we'll be able to generate mid single digit production growth. Oil gas total, I think they'll all be fairly similar for 2021. Obviously, we haven't finalized our plan or put out guidance, but that's the way that it's looking to us. I think that we would expect to see quite a bit less in the way of CapEx for next year, dollars 100,000,000 plus or minus is probably not a bad number. Maybe we'll even do a little better than that.
But a lot of that I think is going to depend on just pricing going forward, the degree of down up activity that we may have, but I think that's in the ballpark. And yes, we certainly believe that at $40 oil, we have the ability to generate free cash flow next year in aggregate for the company. So that's the way that we're still looking at things, Gabe. And I would presume that your modeling and your estimates probably show the same. So clearly if we get a little bit better oil price, we'll be able to do a little better even with the cash flow.
But I think we're we feel very confident in our abilities to generate free cash going forward even down to levels of $40
Great. Thanks so much, David. Very helpful.
Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Jeff Grampp with Northland Capital Markets. Your line is now open.
Good morning, guys. Good morning, Jeff. Good morning, Jeff. Good morning. I don't know if this is a question for you, David, or maybe anyone willing to hop on it here.
On the topic of leverage, and Joe, you had mentioned kind of historically 2 times, maybe a little bit better spend kind of what you guys have operated at obviously with prices that's hard to get at. How big of a focus is it to get back to that historical leverage target? It sounded like maybe asset sales weren't super interesting in this type of environment. So how do you guys really look to balance maybe opportunistically looking at selling some assets and accelerating deleveraging versus maybe being more opportunistic on asset sales, maintain a little bit higher leverage than you have historically, but not being forced to sell something when maybe you guys don't want to and just touch on how you balance that?
Well, Jeff, this is a complex as well now a very complex business and you got the balance those things is like flying a plane. I mean you've got different factors to consider. 1 is the overall thing is are we creating value and we believe we are is that you have now reserves that have grown from 250,000,000 barrels of oil or gas equivalent. That's almost from a standing start when we went public. So you've had growth on there where that's going to be moderated a little bit.
At the same time, you're trying to build for the future. We got a lot of pushback when we went public. We didn't quote have 20 years of inventory. And we thought we had a reasonable amount. But as time goes along, we bolster that.
And so we've got plenty of A plus locations. And I'd like to note that during this time we've also built up a plan B in case there's problems with the federal acreage that we have 26%. So we have hundreds of A plus locations that are not federal leases. Last year we drilled 58 wells. So that's plenty of years supply.
And then the same thing on people. You don't want to get too many people. You don't want to have too few people. And then the addition of the midstream is that was some that most people didn't do. But when we moved out to the Delaware, the infrastructure was old and we approached somebody about hooking up some gas.
He says I can, but you won't like it. It's kind of leaky now. You really need to replace the pipe. So we did and the first project we sold and we've for pretty good sum of money, we've been pretty much playing with house money ever since as we built that out and we saw the operational advantages of that pipe getting there when our well was ready to come on. So we weren't flaring.
That was good for ESG besides good economics. And financially, it's been great because we ended up with I think it was $175,000,000 in carries on our midstream. And that was just like cash infusion, but you didn't dilute your stock any. We thought that was the right thing to do. And not to do the project as we were drilling in those areas that have that wouldn't have been the right timing.
And that's why you want a strong balance sheet as we had going in to this time of low commodity prices that can tide you over or even out some of the slums. And I feel there's been way too much focus on debt. Again, I don't think we have a debt problem. The amount of debt compared to the amount and value of our assets, I think it's just an EBITDA problem during this period of low prices. And we've been careful to protect ourselves on the hedging so that we don't trip a bank covenant and that we know we'll get to the other side.
And so it's of importance, but we're not going to cut off our nose despite our face or to do something that doesn't make long term sense. We're large shareholders. We're playing for the long game and we believe this will deliver more value to people over time to have these reserves at a low cost because your margin, your profit margin is going to be that much bigger. I know a lot of people that's all they want to talk about. But we've been through things when we first went public.
There was investment banker after an investment bank came in here and we had no debt at that time and say, oh, you got to take on debt. If you don't take on debt at this time, it will never be any cheaper than it is now. Well, I'm glad we didn't do it. We saved it for a time where we wanted to move forward to achieve capital efficiency that we have with the drilling of these BLM leases and others and building out the plant. And so you will see us having our cash flow continue to grow.
And as it grows, we're going to allocate more to repayment of debt and to shareholder concerns and yet not hurt the long time viability of Matador. And I think it's reflected in the bank's actions is they approved us in February and increased our commitment on that loan, proved us unanimously in February and this time they approved this without any change. So Hemi Oil Companies can point to no change in their bank agreement. And we just got a great group and everybody's working. They fully understand what we're trying to accomplish and we have accomplished it.
So we've done what we've said we're going to do. They have confidence in us and the staff has the same thing. Last open period I think 200 of the staff of 3 100, 2 thirds bought stocks. So the people that know the company best and the banks, they get it all into every aspect of it, all have confidence. And I think the market has just not fully weighted the value of the midstream or the importance of the capital efficiency going from 1% 2 years ago to 90%.
So I think time will tell. We've had 26 quarters where we've met or exceeded guidance. So we're not missing on our numbers. We're steadily achieving it and think we write a little more confidence that these are the right moves to make and we're headed on a good path. And so that's why we're happy to get out and talk to people and show them that we are accomplishing what we said.
And if we keep doing that, this is going to work out to some big values. And if you look at the assets behind each share of stock, I'm not going to try to go into it. You can take our reserves and divide by number of shares and see that everybody has a couple of barrels behind each share of stock and multiple MCF and then to boot you got 43 miles of big pipe going through some of the best areas and plants, efficient plants. So I like our chances and it's been a collaborative effort by everybody here. So I hope that gives you some further color behind our strategy which is working.
We said we'd do this in January and it all came about just we said and planned and I give a lot of credit to the whole staff for pitching in as they have.
I appreciate that, Joe. Comprehensive answer. For my follow-up on the I want to touch on San Mateo and the merger of the 2 entities there. Are there any financial or kind of operational field level type of benefits of merging those entities? Or is that just kind of streamline kind of back office internal processes?
Or how should we think about that maybe altering the value proposition or what have you at the end of the year?
Yes, Jeff, I think this is Matt, good morning by the way. The merger for us really makes things have more synergy. So if we were to keep those 2 separate, we would have to operate them as separate. We couldn't combine the plants right now. We've got $160,000,000 train, dollars 1,260,000,000 and $1200,000,000 So we can move gas from San Mateo 1 over to San Mateo 2 and it just creates a lot of synergies there.
Additionally, it allows us to contribute more of the assets to the borrowing base. So there may be some advantages there, but mostly it just creates a lot of synergy.
Got it. Thanks for the time guys. I appreciate it.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Neal Dingmann with Truist. Your line is now open.
Good morning, all. Hope Joe, everybody is doing well. Joe, my first question for you and the team is you talked a lot on San Mateo and certainly seems like it's now past that, if you want to call it a critical inflection point. I'm just wondering now that it's past this, you all haven't given detailed guidance yet for next year, but certainly seem to be nicely free cash flowing. By having this benefit or this having San Mateo like it is now, does this give you more optionality for the upstream or do you all think about perhaps maybe asking that another way, would you think about changing any part of the upstream strategy now that you have San Mateo really that backstop if you will?
That's a good question. Neil, I guess the way we think about it is that the E and P drives what we do. And we don't drill wells to accommodate San Mateo. We drill the best wells, the most profitable wells we can. And if they fall into an area San Mateo, San Mateo will hook up.
But we started San Mateo not going into unknown areas, but that pipe always went to places where we were drilling and we weren't satisfied with the midstream offerings in that area. They're either one enough of them or as I mentioned in the first instance, some is old pipe, old leaky pipe and we preferred bringing it up to a higher standard and in a lot of those areas and that we also felt that particularly with the gas processing you were going to get more the NGLs and they have a favorable price today. They had a favorable price back then and it gave us more options on where to send the gas by these central and oil by these central delivery points and interconnects. And so what we try to do is build as many options into Matador's business plan as we can. And you have a lot more options when you have a capital efficient E and P process and a capital efficient midstream to work hand in hand.
We've been accused of drilling wells just to help Sam Mateo and I can tell you nothing has been further from the truth. And to our partners credit, they've never leaned on us to drill more wells in a certain area that it's done on a capital efficient basis. Where does it make most sense? And as we go forward, it gives us an option in areas like Antelope Ridge. If we want to build some over there, I'm sure we could and we'd know how to operate it.
But right now, it's we plan to have first claim on that cash flow always get the debt down some. So, Matt? Listen.
Yes, Neal, I was just going to add to what Joe said. The way we've approached the midstream business, if you'll remember, we started very small and our first project was a $35,000,000 a day cryo plant down in Loving County. That's like Joe was talking about, that was because we didn't have a great option to process our gas. And so we built a small plant. We planned for an expansion and obviously we sold that to EnLink and then we built a 60,000,000 a day plant up at the Black River plant.
And so both those volumes relative to the expected volumes for Matador. So when we started at the Black River plant, we thought we had about 30,000,000 a day and so we built a 60,000,000 a day plant, which gave us some room to add some third party volumes and we've just done that at each step. So when we went from 60 to 260, we had about half the volumes committed and we're now at 460 now. So we are at a point where we can bring 3rd party volumes on. But before we have to do any additional big capital expenditures, say that in other train or drill another saltwater disposal well or whatever that might be, we'll be able to go get those volumes contracted likely on an MVC commitment where we've got assurance that the payout will be there and that we'll be profitable.
So we're in a nice spot where we can not have to build something and hope they come.
Great details. And then Joe, just one follow-up. Your comments earlier were interesting. You talked about even the benefits of drilling in sort of times like today when prices are relatively weak. I'm just for you or David or Matt, I mean, I'm just again curious how you think about that given you definitely don't have any morning, why again maybe just if you could give more color on this, why not go to 0 rigs and just perhaps complete a few DUCs or do something that until prices improve versus keeping those 3 rigs that you all have talked about?
Well, first, each well we're drilling, we're going to make money from. There is anything that I think that we've drilled this year that isn't going to pay itself out. And in number of these cases, pay you out in a big way. And the second thing, if you were to stop, then your appraisal program that we're in currently would come to a stop and you really wouldn't know what you have. And the third and this may is one of the most important is if you stop drilling altogether, you're good drillers, you're good technical people, you're good geologists aren't going to hang around.
They're going to go find somebody who is drilling and go work for them. So if you want to keep your organization together and we feel we've got a lot A players here, we want to keep them working particularly when they're working and making money for us. If we were drilling losing money, but you saw this year, I mean this quarter, our earnings adjusted earnings per share was a profit. And the value added in reserves was tremendous. I think Brad could tell you that we are adding volumes.
They're clearly there that as prices recover and they will recover loss, supply and demand work that when they recover the value of Matador is going to go up. If it $250,000,000 in reserves goes up $1 in value, You have $110,000,000 116,000,000 shares. Even if you cut that in half, it goes up. The share value will go up a dollar. So there's a lot of upside to be in Matador and as prices recover activity recovers which means more opportunity for the midstream because they're already there.
You don't have to wait for somebody to build a line. We're already there and we have a history and we're developing relations with other producers out there and trying to give them good service and build on that so that they deal with somebody they know as opposed to somebody new coming in that in a proven quality. So I've been out here 40 years and I found that if you stop, you go nowhere. I mean that you just fade away. You got to keep going.
You want to do it at a very controlled pace as Matt likes to say, profitable growth at a measured pace. But if you just stop, you're not keeping up on the new activities, not having the best rigs, you're not building the relationship with vendors because it's a lot of advantage to be working through these bad times. Your vendors remember you that you were one that stayed out there and we were climbing in the rankings in New Mexico for being the large producers. So that gives you advantage and landowners know that you're drilling it and it all works to the good. I mean you don't see businesses just shutting down and then when they reopen that they work better.
You've lost people which is a rebuilding effort and that's always the hardest thing is finding really good people and we just feel like we've got a really strong staff that's working hard together and trying to get better every day and this is the right pace for us. Matt?
Yes, Joe. We've made a tremendous amount of progress, Neil, during these last several months. I mean we initially at the beginning of the year we put the plan together to drill these Boros wells and the operations team actually drilled them about 10 days faster per well than we anticipated, driving those costs down under $800 a foot. And so there's just a ton of these efficiencies that we wouldn't be able to realize if we weren't in the game. We've gone from multiple bottom hole assemblies to drill a lateral to where we've gone over 12,000 foot with a single bit, single motor and single MWD.
So there's just a ton of progress and even if these reduced rates, we're looking at probably $50,000 per day for rig day. And so if oil goes back up and costs go back up to where they once were, you are looking about double that. So you certainly want to be realizing these efficiencies sooner than later, so that if prices do go back up that you're not behind the eight ball.
Great. And George Last thing, Neil, I just want to emphasize the importance of people that for all the capital and all the technology this business requires it ultimately is a judgment business and it comes down to people. And we really have a feel like a strong group of people that can take us to to a much bigger company. David like say we hit above our way. But the projects we've done, done, I think compare well with any company of any size and just the fact that we're growing to say the number 5 producer company.
It's organic and it's controlled and we could go down to 2 rigs if we wanted to. And we've considered if prices were down there in the 20s. I mean it's not like we're married to 3, but for this price at this time the 3 is the right number. And we'll just have to trust that the market begins to see the value of the components and the value of going ahead as Matt says, you don't want to lose the ability to drill these wells faster. That's a big part of the capital savings.
So continuing ahead has increased assets and increased cash flow and there really hadn't been a downside except the debt may not have gone down as fast as some one, but the EBITDA is going up and little better price, I think is likely to happen. And as competition is reduced, prices will go up. David, anything to that?
No, yes, I don't think I have anything to add to what you and Matt have said. I think I've covered it well.
Okay. Joe, thanks. I just
say thanks and congrats. You guys have hit all your sort of timelines out there and that's one of the few that continues to do that.
Thanks, Neil. Thanks, Neil.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Freeman with Raymond James. Your line is now open.
Good morning, guys.
Good morning,
John. Yes. The first question, you had sort of an interesting dynamic where it looks like during the Q3 you said that at least some of the savings were related to some of the non op activity that fell slipped from the Q3 to the Q4. And then at the same time, you mentioned the additional $10,000,000 in CapEx that you'll expect to incur in the 4th quarter as some of that non op activity that is supposed to happen early 2021 gets moved forward to 4Q. And I guess I'm curious just given the weakness we've seen in oil prices here the last couple of weeks, if there's I guess how strong a conviction there is that non op number is going to be there?
Like if that stuff that was supposed to be incurring late in 4Q, which is still maybe up in the air given the commodity price, just any color on how we should think about that potentially that moving to the right, the not is what I'm focused on?
Yes. Hey, John, it's David. Well, I think that there's a pretty good chunk of it that's already spoken for in the Q4. Some of it related to the fact that some of our partners have decided to go ahead and frac wells toward the end of the year that they had originally indicated they might postpone into the Q1 of 2021 or beyond. I would venture to say that probably reflects the fact that as we've been talking, it's a good time to frac wells.
Low and so I think that they may have chosen to accelerate some of those completions into the Q4. Some of the wells that we've that are going to take up portions of those costs are just wells where maybe partners have decided to start the drilling of the wells before the end of the year, but still don't expect them to come on until the Q4. So there may be a little of it that might get further delayed, but I think it's reasonable to expect that most of that is going to be incurred as we've indicated.
Okay, and then just as a follow-up question, you all did a good job of updating us on where you all stand on the federal drilling permits, which you all have done a remarkable job getting as many of those approved and received. And obviously, you all expect to have almost another 100 approved and received before year end. And I guess, I'm trying to get a sense of like how much we should think of just the nature of these permits where basically they're good for 2 years and you have to get them renewed for another 2 years. How much of the federal permits that you all have approved and received is going to drive a lot of the drilling activity for you all the next 2 years. I mean, you all are fortunate that obviously it lines up a lot with where some of your very best acreages.
So it's probably where a lot of the drilling activity would have been skewed to anyway. But just if you can just sort of speak to kind of how much we need to focus on kind of these federal permits and how much that's going to drive that activity here in the next few years?
Well, I think John, the plans that we have had have and have had are to run a couple of the rigs at the state line and the other rig will run-in the Stebbins area, in Rustler Breaks and in Rodney Robinson. All the wells at the state line require federal permits of which we have received. I think the table in the earnings release says that we've received all but one on the Burrows and Bonney wells and I was told this morning that we actually got it this morning. So we've actually received all the permits. We have them all in hand for every well that we would be looking to drill over the next several years in the Stateline asset area.
We also have many of those already in hand that we'd be looking to drill in Rodney Robinson. I think Rodney Robinson there's only 3 or 4 that are still left outstanding at this point. Many are in hand up in the Stebbins area. Occasionally we'll need 1 in the rest of the brakes area. And I think so over the next couple of years, I think we're certainly look, we've got more permits than we'll probably drill in the next couple of years.
But over the next couple of years, we're these things are pretty much already in hand for anything that we currently have on the schedule. So I think we feel very good about that.
Thanks David. I appreciate it.
Thanks John. Thank
you. Our next question comes from the line of Noel Parks with Coker and Palmer. Your line is now open.
Good morning.
Good morning, Bill.
I just had a couple of questions. I wanted to talk about service costs. You touched on them a good bit. But last quarter, I remember you saying that you had pretty much locked in a lot of your completion costs for the rest of the year. And as you look into next year and I guess maybe even further heading towards 2022, just curious what your assumptions are for what costs for what you expect the vendor component to be of service costs?
Sure, Noel. This is Matt. We continue to see favorable service cost pricing particularly throughout the rest of this year. We are looking into the Q1 or so into next year and are seeing comparable prices. I do think that our expectation is as long as this rig count is somewhere where it is, somewhere between probably $250,000,000 $350,000,000 we think that there is probably a lot of consistency in the service cost.
That being said, we tend to treat our vendors a little differently. We do like low prices, but what we are really looking for is a vendor that's going to help us create value. So we don't always take the cheapest bid. What we are looking for is someone who is going to come in and help us be more efficient because the more efficient they become, the more efficient we become. And so I think that that stays consistent with us and being able to go visit with our vendors about pricing.
In the past we've been able to just have a conversation with our vendors even when prices go up. Our vendors have come to us and they are not quite to market, so we will agree to pay for fuel or something like that. Other times we go in and say, we're getting bids for cheaper work and then we will need to reduce it. So there is lots of back and forth that goes with this. The other thing that we want is a vendor that's going to stand behind their work.
We want someone that's going to be there and be willing to take responsibility and work with us just back and forth. So I think our approach, I guess, is a little bit different than maybe some companies.
Great, thanks. One other item that you talked about last quarter, I think was at Leatherneck and in the release you did indicate that the costs were better than expected and the production results were better than expected. I do recall that you were, I think, doing your first Wolfcamp B test there. I just wondered if you had any sense of how that was performing?
Yes. Hi, Neil, it's David. Look, I think that I think we're satisfied with the way that the well has performed. I would say that it's still early and we're still looking at it. But look, I think we're pleased with the result of that well.
And I think it's interesting as a Wolfcamp B in that it probably has a little bit higher oil cut than some of the Wolfcamp Bs that we seen. So but no worries.
Great. And I just had one housekeeping question. I could not but notice in the hedges that on the gas side for Q1 2022, you had collar with a $2.60 floor and a $4.22 ceiling, which given the strip seemed like a really sort of wide margin ahead there. So I was just curious if you could talk anything about that. And I was just wondering if there were net cost at settlement with those or something?
No, that was just simply an opportunity that we had to add to our hedging position. I believe if I'm correct that we had the opportunity to add some hedges like from the early after the Q1 of 2021 on into the Q1 of 2022 and it just that was a hedge that we put on throughout that period. It just improved the kind of weighted average price for the 3 quarters in 2021. And then we just had that little sliver that is currently sticking out there in 2022. Actually we thought it was quite a good hedge.
We were we've been working pretty hard to make sure that we locked in at least a 2 50 floor if we could across these hedges and that was a case where they just got a lot of upside to go along with it. So we could have looked for a narrower margin, but that was just a case where we liked the hedge and it helped us to continue to kind of fill out some of the hedging we wanted to do for Q2 through Q4 and also to get a little bit better price by adding on Q1 of 2022. So it's really nothing more than that.
Great. Thanks a lot.
You bet. Thanks.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Scialla with Stifel. Your line is now open.
Yes. Hi, good morning guys. I just wanted to ask on your capital efficiency slide C. A lot of competitors have been showing similar slides. I think your savings have been probably more significant than most, looks like more than 40% on a per foot basis over the last 2 years.
Is that $790 per foot number a good number to baseline for next year? And curious too if that number is a fair comparison to the 1500 per foot number or even higher slightly for 2018. Have you changed anything in the design of the wells other than obviously lateral lengths longer, but anything else that has changed over the last 2 years in the design
of the wells? Yes, Mike, this is Matt. I'll take the last part of that question first. We've been able to in some instances on some of the wells eliminate an intermediate casing stream. So those costs are built in there too.
But on the whole, I think it's pretty comparative, the 1500 and 2 years ago, the 1200 last year and the goal this year was for 900 and we've driven that down below 800. So I'm not going to bet against the guys that they're going to have a reversal and go back even to the $900 number. So I think that somewhere probably between the $7,000,000 $9,000,000 that we talked about and $8.50 probably is a good number.
I think we're certainly very we're very pleased, Mike. I am and I think everybody here is over the course of the last couple of years as we've moved to these longer laterals, I think that the teams have executed on them very well. We have our MaxCom room that I think has been where we have 20 fourseven monitoring of every well that we're drilling. I think that we've got geologists and engineers watching every well-being drilled every day. I think that's we've just seen continuous improvement in terms of the execution on the drilling side and particularly in terms of staying right in the zones that we want to be in throughout the entirety of the laterals whether they've been 1 mile, 2 and now approaching 2.5 mile laterals at Bonnie.
So there's a lot positive there. Along the way over the last few years, They've eclipsed our own internal records almost 100 times for improved drilling efficiency, which I think is quite a great achievement. And so as a result, I think there is a lot of operational efficiency that's come into that. As Matt mentioned earlier, using one bottom hole assembly to drill over 2 miles, that's pretty amazing. And so I think there's just a lot of ways in which things have improved.
I'm also very pleased about the fact that these costs have not come on the backs of trying to reduce the quality or the quantity of our simulation jobs either. So we've continued I think to advance and improve on the completion side. We're not pumping less sand. We're not pumping less fluid. I mean we're pumping at a higher injection rate, which usually requires a little more horsepower to do.
And so there's a lot of improvements I think that we've made. We certainly haven't skimped or saved. It's always easy to cut costs by just cutting the quality of the work that you're doing, but we haven't done that at all. And I can assure you that the way that we are calculating and reporting those numbers has not changed a bit. So that's all very consistent across the last 3 years.
That's good to hear. Joe, you mentioned now is not really the time to be considering the market is not there to be considering selling down your interest or selling flat out selling some of your assets. But I want to see if you could maybe talk a little bit about your Haynesville. Is there much there left to be developed? I realize the operators in Chapter 11 now, but how do you see maybe the returns in that play competing with, say, the Permian?
And then anything you can say on your mineral interest to sort of frame up the potential size of a package once that market returns to where that could be sold?
Yes. Thank you for your question, Michael. We've actually sold a few properties in the Haynesville here and there, not the major properties, but we have done some as again when we get a serious offer, we give it serious consideration. The one of the angles of the Haynesville is when we made the deal with Chesapeake, we reserved all of the Cotton Valley rights. So there's probably $200,000,000,000 or more in gas in the Cotton Valley behind pipe that we could access if and when we wanted to.
So it's a nice gas bank to have. It didn't cost us anything. It's held by production. And then on the Haynesville itself that I'll give Chesapeake And we were glad we kept it. And we were glad we kept it.
And they came in producing 40,000,000 a day and we had 49%. So that worked out well for us. It's a different gas market up there which blends with what we have coming out of the Permian and we think that's advantageous. And if gas prices become the order of the day is a good return, that'd be a good area for us to expand our footprint. And we had some decent offers, but none that want to make us give up that gas bank that we have there in the Cotton Valley.
And we have drilled the Cotton Valley and it we had good results and you can certainly launch a drilling program there as gas prices get up and then if they're sustainable at a higher price. And in the Eagle Ford, we sold off a number of properties, different people down there and it's been on kind of a track by track basis. So we're open to that. We're just not in a hurry and don't want to do a garage sale where you just package them all up and sell them at a discount to somebody because they're cash flowing well to us. It's a higher oil price and it's a higher gas price down there on the coast.
So there are reasons to keep them.
But
we play a straight game. I sold 1st Matador and we sold some of our interest in the Hazel to Chesapeake and we've sold interest from time to time. We sold our gas first gas plant to EnLink. So we'll do it when the prices arrive, but we just try to avoid the fire sales and let them cash flow. And that strategy has worked out pretty well for us not to just rush into one thing or another.
And so I hope that answers your question. If not, I've got a whole room full of people eager to respond, Mike. No, that was perfect. Thanks, Thank you. Do you have a follow-up?
Yes, that was it. Okay.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this ends the Q and A portion of this morning's conference call. I'd like to turn the call over to management for any closing remarks.
This is Joe again. I just want to thank all of you for participating. We really appreciate it and thought there are some very good questions. And if you want to follow-up or have further visits, we are available. And we're proud of the quarter we have and as good as it was, we think it'll be better next quarter.
And things are coming together for us that we're going to emerge from this COVID and low price deal stronger than what we went than we were when we went into it. That this is a great business. We think it has plenty of room to grow and we appreciate the support that we've received. And but once you know we're available and we like these discussions. So thank you and come see us.