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Earnings Call: Q1 2013

Feb 22, 2013

Operator

As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to your host, Jim Jaye. Please go ahead.

Jim Jaye
Director of Investor Relations, Nordson

Good, Stephanie. This is Jim Jaye, Nordson's Director of Investor Relations. I'm here with Mike Hilton, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Greg Thaxton, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We'd like to welcome you to our conference call today, Friday, February 22, 2013, on Nordson's first quarter results. Our conference call is being broadcast live on our webpage at www.nordson.com/investors and will be available for 14 days. There will be a telephone replay of our conference call available until March 1st by calling 404-537-3406. You will need to reference ID number 95637110. During this conference call, forward-looking statements may be made regarding our future performance based on Nordson's current expectations.

These statements may involve a number of risks, uncertainties, and other factors, as discussed in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission that could cause actual results to differ. After our remarks, we will have a question and answer session. I'd now like to turn the call over to Mike Hilton for an overview of our 2013 first quarter results and a bit about our outlook. Please go ahead, Mike.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Thank you, Jim, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for attending Nordson's first quarter 2013 conference call. Let me start by thanking all the members of our global team for delivering a solid quarter, one that was in line with our expectations and reflective of the normal seasonality of our business. I'm particularly pleased with the strong top-line organic growth we delivered in the quarter. This growth was broad-based in terms of product lines, applications, and geographies, and outpaced the levels we've seen reported recently by a number of other industrial companies. Customers continue to respond to the value we provide, and we remain focused on meeting their needs better than our competitors. The first year effect of acquisitions added to the top line to bring total sales growth in the quarter to 26% compared to the same period a year ago.

We also delivered on the bottom line, where diluted earnings per share were $0.65, a 12% increase over the prior year. Both sales and earnings per share are first quarter records for Nordson. Looking forward to our second quarter, our current order rates are positive compared to last year, and we should see significant leverage on operating margins from the sequential volume growth we are expecting. We expect to deliver a solid performance in the quarter while also funding planned incremental investments that we believe will drive growth and performance over the long term. From a macroeconomic perspective, most economists are forecasting 2013 global GDP growth slightly above 2%. Nordson delivered a record year in 2012 in a very similar environment with organic sales growth of 8%.

Should current macro projections hold, we think it's reasonable to deliver another full year of profitable growth. In a few moments, I'll share additional comments about the current business trends and our outlook. First, I'll turn the call over to Greg Thaxton, our Chief Financial Officer, who will provide more detailed commentary on our first quarter financial results, as well as some comments on our guidance for the second quarter of 2013. Greg.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Thank you, and good morning to everyone. As Mike described, we delivered solid first quarter results with sales in the quarter of $347 million, an increase of 26% over the prior year's first quarter. This growth included an 8% increase in organic volume and an 18% increase related to the first year effect of acquisitions. Overall, currency effects were minimal in the quarter compared to the prior year. Looking at performance within the segments, Adhesive Dispensing sales volume increased 33% as compared to the prior year's first quarter. The first year effect of acquisitions drove the growth as organic volume growth in legacy consumer nondurable end markets was offset by softness in plastics processing and consumer durable goods end markets. We'll speak more about the performance of recent acquisitions later in the call.

Sales volume in the Advanced Technology segment was up 8% over the prior year's first quarter, all organic growth. All product lines within the segment experienced solid growth as demand remained strong in mobile electronic devices, medical and other niche end markets. Within the Industrial Coating segment, sales volume increased 51% compared to the prior year's first quarter, inclusive of a 38% increase in organic volume and 13% growth from the first-year effect of the Sealant Equipment acquisition. The segment delivered strong double-digit percentage growth in every region and product line. Similar to our comments from last quarter, the growth continues to be driven by well-capitalized customers in all geographies investing in production efficiency and plant expansion programs.

Moving down the income statement, gross margin in the quarter was 57%. Compared to the prior year's first quarter, gross margin was impacted most in the quarter by the dilutive effect of acquisitions. A combination of product line mix and geography mix, along with unfavorable currency effects, reduced gross margin in our legacy adhesive business from a strong prior year level, which also impacted the total company gross margin. Operating profit increased 9% in the quarter as compared to the prior year's first quarter, and operating margin for the quarter was 18%, again, reflecting the impact of acquisitions. Given the seasonality of our business, our first quarter's performance from a margin perspective is typically our lowest, such that sales volume growth in future quarters should provide considerable leverage on operating margin.

Looking at operating performance on a segment basis, Adhesive Dispensing delivered operating margin of 24%, inclusive of the anticipated dilutive effect of fiscal 2012's EDI and Xaloy acquisitions. The segment's legacy product lines continued to perform at a high level, but as noted above, operating margin was impacted by some dilution in gross margin as compared to the same period a year ago. I'll add a few comments relative to the performance of the EDI and Xaloy acquisitions. First, there is a seasonal impact, much like Nordson's legacy business, where the first fiscal quarter tends to be the softest, therefore you see a volume leverage impact on operating margin. But more specific to market trends, we are seeing softness in demand related to a slower global economy and a near-term mismatch in capacity relative to demand.

The combination of these two factors resulted in weaker operating performance in the plastic processing area relative to expectations. We remain optimistic that our growth strategy within this plastics processing product line, including the development of new applications, will drive both near and long-term sales growth such that operating margin in 2013 will improve well above the current quarter's performance. This improvement would be incremental to the expected volume leverage generated by the legacy product lines within the Adhesive segment. Within the Advanced Technology segment, operating margin for the quarter was 19%. This is an improvement of three percentage points on the level we delivered in the first quarter last year. The Industrial Coating segment generated operating margin of 13% in the quarter, an improvement of ten percentage points over the same period a year ago.

The majority of the increase was driven by strong volume leverage within our base business, where incremental margin for the segment was 33%. Continuing down the income statement, corporate expenses were approximately $10 million in the quarter, which is the level I would expect for future quarters. Reported net income for the quarter was $42 million, and GAAP diluted earnings per share were $0.65, an increase of 12% over the first quarter a year ago. As in previous quarters, we've included an earnings per share reconciliation schedule in our press release to reconcile between GAAP earnings and normalized earnings per share to exclude certain one-time items. The current quarter's earnings per share included a $0.04 benefit related to certain discrete tax items and a $0.01 charge related to restructuring costs. After adjusting for these items, normalized earnings per share in the quarter were $0.62.

The current quarter's EBITDA was $73 million, a 12% increase over the prior year's first quarter, and first quarter free cash flow before dividends was $32 million. From a balance sheet perspective, we remain very liquid with net debt to trailing 12-month EBITDA of approximately 1.5 x at the end of the first quarter. Remaining capacity under our existing revolving credit facility of approximately $248 million, along with our strong cash generation, provides adequate liquidity for strategic opportunities. Before moving on to the outlook for the second quarter of fiscal 2013, I'll provide comments on recent order trends. As we typically do, we provided our most recent order data, both on a segment and geographic basis, with our press release.

These orders are for the latest 12 weeks as compared to the same 12 weeks of the prior year on a currency-neutral basis and with all fiscal year 2013 acquisitions included in both years. Looking at orders for the 12 weeks ending February 17th, 2013, they're up 4% as compared to the same 12 weeks in the prior year. Within the Adhesive Dispensing segments, orders over the last 12 weeks decreased 1% from the prior year. Solid order growth in the nonwovens and general product assembly product lines was offset by a modest decline in the packaging product line and softness in polymer processing product lines. Advanced Technology orders over the latest 12 weeks are up 5% from the prior year. Order growth was strongest in automated dispensing and medical components product lines.

Within the Industrial Coating segment, the latest 12-week orders are up 19% over the prior year. Order growth was up significantly in all of the segment's product lines. This segment's order growth increased by double-digit percentages in all geographies except Europe, which was off modestly from the prior year. These strong order rates continue to be driven by investment programs of larger, well-capitalized customers. Let me now turn to the outlook for the second quarter of fiscal 2013. We're forecasting sales to be in the range of $372 million-$387 million, an increase of 18%-23% as compared to the second quarter a year ago. This range is inclusive of organic volume growth of 3%-8%, with the first year effect of acquisitions adding growth of 16%.

Based on current exchange rates, we expect currency translation effects to reduce sales by 1% as compared to the prior year. At the midpoint of our revenue forecast, we expect gross margin of approximately 58% in the quarter and operating margin of approximately 21%. We're estimating second quarter interest expense of about $4 million, an effective tax rate of approximately 30%, resulting in second quarter forecasted diluted earnings per share in the range of $0.78-$0.87 per share. At the midpoint of this range, sequential incremental operating margin is approximately 55%, reflecting strong leverage on the sequential sales increase of 10%.

In addition, and as we described a quarter ago, our selling and administrative expenses in the quarter will include planned incremental investments of about $2 million within the Advanced Technology segment that are expected to generate organic revenue growth in fiscal 2014 and beyond. Similar investments are anticipated in the third and fourth quarters of 2013. On a full year basis, we are estimating maintenance CapEx to be about 3.5% of 2012 revenue, and the tax rate for the remaining quarters is estimated at 30% based on current tax law. In summary, we delivered record first quarter performance for revenue and earnings per share. Our global team continued to deliver at a very high level in a challenging macroeconomic environment, and we anticipate continued solid performance in the second quarter.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Thank you, Greg. Before taking your questions, I'd like to provide some additional comments on our outlook for the second quarter. Our order rates are positive, and we are forecasting solid sequential and year-over-year top line growth relative to the global economic environment. While the nature of our business does not provide us with tremendous visibility beyond the next quarter, I'll make a few general comments about the full year. As I mentioned in my opening remarks, the overall macroeconomic backdrop this year looks a lot like last year. In that environment, we delivered 8% organic sales growth for the full year. Current global GDP forecasts for 2013 are estimated to be a bit above 2%, in line with 2012.

We do think it's reasonable for Nordson to generate mid- to high-single-digit organic sales volume growth in 2013, provided this macroeconomic forecast materialize. At the midpoint of our second quarter forecast, Nordson's first half organic growth is within this range. Assuming Nordson's full year organic growth in fiscal 2013 will be in line with fiscal 2012's organic growth, we could see full year operating margins in line with our reported fiscal 2012 performance, reflecting strong volume leverage effect on operating margin and earnings. We continue to be optimistic about the long-term growth aspects of many end markets we serve. We are still seeing strong activity in mobile electronic device end markets. Our presence in medical applications continue to grow.

We are the leaders in the consumer nondurable space, such as packaging and nonwovens, which are resistant and have significant growth opportunities in emerging markets. In consumer durable markets, order rates for our solutions are very solid. We expect to continue winning in our markets through our combination of outstanding direct sales and service and our commitment to innovative products that provide the best value to our customers. One example we are particularly excited about is Freedom, our next generation hot melt adhesive system for packaging, which we expect to launch by the end of the quarter. Freedom has been operating successfully in field tests for several months, and customers responded enthusiastically to our preview of the system at last October's PACK EXPO, one of the industry's largest packaging trade shows.

We expect the benefits of this new system will cause customers to upgrade a portion of our large installed base over the next several years, and we also attract new customers and clearly reinforce our position as the industry leader in packaging solutions. In terms of an update on the integration of last year's acquisitions, we are making solid progress. As Greg mentioned previously, we're experiencing a short-term supply-demand mismatch in certain applications within the plastic processing space. However, we continue to be excited about the growth prospects for EDI and Xaloy and the synergy potential. With regard to Sealant Equipment, our other acquisition in 2012, we see good growth opportunity within and outside the U.S. and are moving quickly to capitalize on Nordson's global infrastructure. For each of these acquisitions, our continuous improvement initiatives are on track.

In closing, I wanna thank our global team again for their continued hard work. Their passion for our customers continues to make us the preferred choice in the industries we serve and to generate excellent results for our shareholders. At this time, let's turn to your questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question, please press star then one on your touchtone telephone. If your question has been answered and you wish to remove yourself from the queue, you may press the pound key. Our first question comes from John Franzreb from Sidoti & Company. Your line is open.

John Franzreb
Senior Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Good morning, guys.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Good morning, John.

John Franzreb
Senior Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Just wanted to touch on Europe, down 7% in the order book. At first glance, it looks like that might be disproportionately based on demand in Industrial Coating. Is that the case, or is there something else going on in the segment mix that we should be aware of?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah, I'd say at a high level, we are seeing, you know, some softness there in Industrial Coating, but we're actually encouraged on what we're seeing in terms of bid activity. We're also seeing the impact in our larger ticket items that fall within the Adhesive segment. Our general assembly product assembly applications there tend to be larger ticket items that go into, you know, construction and consumer durable goods, and we're seeing softness there. As we mentioned in the plastic processing side, again, the bigger ticket items, particularly in the die side, we're seeing some softness there. I think it really falls into a hesitancy around investment on larger items that we're seeing, you know, based on the general economic environment you're seeing in Europe.

John Franzreb
Senior Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Now, Mike, you mentioned the supply-demand equation imbalance in the plastics and that softness was going on a couple of quarters now. When would you expect that to play out?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah, what we see is we expect improvement really throughout the year, starting in the next quarter, and that's based on some longer lead orders we see coming in, as well as a number of new applications that we spent a fair bit of time, you know, last year prior, the team did prior to the acquisition and continued in the acquisition after we owned them to qualify new applications. We're quoting and starting to receive orders in some other new applications that we expect to pick up as the year goes on. We expect a solid year from both of these businesses.

John Franzreb
Senior Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Okay. Greg, I don't recall you ever mentioning geography when you talked about the gross margin mix. I recall currency, product, but you called out geography as an impact on gross margins. What's the impact on geography and on the product mix or on the gross margins? Talk about that a little bit.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Yeah. The you know, generally our gross margins are not too different across the geographies within each of the segments. There is some you know, slight differences from one to the other. There was an impact in the quarter when you looked at the weighting of you know, one particular geography sales versus another as compared to last year. It's as I said, generally not a big difference, but there was some impact.

John Franzreb
Senior Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Any more color as to which geographies are helping or hurting?

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Well, I'll give, for example, Japan. In Japan, we generate, you know, very strong adhesive margins.

John Franzreb
Senior Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Mm-hmm.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Now, of course, adhesive margins globally are very strong. You know, if there's a kind of a revenue mix by geography within a particular quarter, that's gonna have an impact.

John Franzreb
Senior Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Okay. One last question. Could you just give us a sense of what the order trends, how they progressed throughout the quarter?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

I'd say they're pretty steady. We haven't seen, you know, a big spike. Obviously, they soften a bit around the holiday period and pick up after the.

John Franzreb
Senior Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Mm-hmm.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

The holiday piece in the normal pattern. You know, they were pretty consistent with our normal pattern, which is, you know, they start to decline in our fourth quarter and decline through kind of the holiday period and then pick up in January. That's what we have seen, but nothing unusual there.

John Franzreb
Senior Equity Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Okay. Thank you very much, guys. Back into queue.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

All right.

Operator

Our next question comes from Christopher Glynn from Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Christopher Glynn
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer

Thanks. Good morning. Just with respect to EDI and Xaloy, it looks like they were dilutive to EBIT dollars in the quarter. You know, I'm wondering, are you kind of absorbing some fairly heavy pay-as-you-go integration expense here that kind of fades away in the second half?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah, there's certainly some of that. You know, an example would be we've moved fairly quickly to rationalize some sites in Europe, and we're seeing some impact associated with that in the quarter as an example. As Greg mentioned, we also have sort of the impact of kind of volume de-leveraging that we think is gonna come back as we move throughout the year. Based on sort of bid activity and what we're seeing in terms of orders in these new applications areas, we feel like that's gonna progress throughout the year. Yeah, you're correct, we do have some impacts as part of the integration in the first quarter.

Christopher Glynn
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer

Okay. Diving into the guidance framework, conditional on the macro, if you know, if we take the low end of mid-single to high single top line and you know, even have margins down about a point for the year, we're looking at the second half margin up a couple points year-over-year versus the first half down about 4 points. I just wanted to help understand that transition and that bridge with some more specifics, if possible. If you're, you know, maybe rank the pieces of integration benefits, mix reversion, seasonal leverage, however you wanna take it.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

If you look at it, first quarter is always the softest. We see volume step up second. If you look at it historically, second, third, and fourth quarter are not dramatically different in volume, but first quarter is. That's gonna weigh down the year, and it's probably the biggest single factor. I think from a mix perspective, though, we do anticipate, you know, for example, our adhesives area picking up throughout the year. You know, relative to sort of the strong mix we had in the first quarter from the coatings segment, that'll be more balanced throughout the year. Third item is, you know, we do have costs that come in in the first part of the year from the normal, you know, increases around merit and so forth.

As we've noted, we have some specific spending in the technology sector that, you know, plays out throughout the year, which gets absorbed more easily with the volume leverage that comes back in. Those are some of the things that we see, but, you know, it starts with volume leverage, and then, you know, the ability to absorb the cost that we've talked about as these things come back. Then some mixed benefits that we anticipate throughout the year to get more to a more normal mix of business.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Yeah, Chris, this is Greg. I'd add, you know, tying back to your first point, there's also some benefit of some of these integration costs being behind us in the first quarter. As that volume levers as well, we'll get some lift in margins.

Christopher Glynn
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer

Yeah, to follow up, I think, you know, to get to the company target for the year of sort of in line with last year, you probably need to see ADS pop firmly into the low thirties for the second half. Is there, you know, anything off about that thinking?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Well, I think we would anticipate, in general, margins for all the businesses to pick up in the second half, assuming the volume comes through. I think you're gonna see, you know, a general rising tide, you know, much like we saw happen last year.

Christopher Glynn
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer

Okay, thanks.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Okay.

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt Summerville from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Joe Radigan
Senior Equity Research Analyst and VP, KeyBanc

Thanks. Good morning, guys. This is actually Joe Radigan on for Matt. Just a couple questions. First, on the guidance. Sequentially, you're guiding to 7%-12% revenue growth. Last year, you did 14%. You've mentioned a couple times this is a very similar environment to last year. FX is a little bit more favorable, not much, but orders are still relatively positive. What's driving the conservatism there? Is it just what you're seeing in the plastics processing business that gives you some pause in guiding that sequential growth?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

I'd say first, we actually started off a little bit better in the first quarter from a volume growth perspective than we did last year. We're not anticipating quite the steepest step up in the second quarter. That's kinda number one. I mean, number two, quite frankly, you know, we're still dealing with a pretty soft Europe and the whole discussions around sequester that I think could you know have an impact and have people hold back on the coming quarter a little bit. I think those are probably the two main things that you know we're seeing, decent order intake, but we still hear a sort of a cautious environment in the very short term from customers around, well, let me hold off a little bit.

We're seeing some of that factors in. I think a little bit better start than last year at the beginning of the year, and then a little bit of caution around, you know, things like the sequester here, and hopefully that gets cleared up in some way in the next month or two.

Joe Radigan
Senior Equity Research Analyst and VP, KeyBanc

Okay. On the capacity issue you talked about at EDI and Xaloy, can you give a little more color on where utilization rates are now? Is there capacity you can take out in that footprint that you've acquired, or how are you thinking about that? Do you think that the volumes rebound, and there's no need to adjust that? Or, you know, what

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah. Yeah, let me talk first just about high level. You know, our view on the plastics market is strong growth in the long run and even solid growth right now from a demand standpoint. I'd you know, say, you know, 6%-7% underlying market growth. We don't really see that changing. What we saw was a fairly heavy investment in 2010 and 2011 in a couple of sub-segment markets that are particularly important markets for us, and that's not something we didn't anticipate. It's maybe a little a little bit more of a an imbalance in the short term than we thought. We're thinking that, you know, within a couple of quarters, you're starting to see that get back to a more normal investment pattern.

It's really investment versus underlying demand and the timing of that. We're not overly concerned with that, number one. Number two, we did spend a lot of time last year, as I said, the folks did, particularly at EDI prior to acquisition, and we continued post-acquisition to qualify new opportunities for us, and we're starting to get orders for those new opportunities now, particularly in the premium coating market, which aligns pretty well with our own adhesives coatings business. We see upside there. Long run, we feel good about it. You know, we think this is a couple quarter kind of a thing, and we have other applications that we are getting traction with that we think will be helpful.

Joe Radigan
Senior Equity Research Analyst and VP, KeyBanc

Great. Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jason Ursaner from CJS Securities. Your line is open.

Jason Ursaner
Managing Director, CJS Securities

Good morning. Just another, you know, first couple of questions on the adhesive segment. You know, in the plastics piece, can you just remind us what percent of sales of both businesses is replacement versus new equipment sales?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah, roughly about 50%, I think, or slightly less than that is generally replacement. You know, the timing of that, you know, there's two elements that drive that. You know, one is wear, normal wear, and the other is sort of more catastrophic type of thing, but the main driver is the normal wear. It's in the mid-40s to 50% is typically what we would see.

Jason Ursaner
Managing Director, CJS Securities

Is that piece seeing any of the softness or is it just purely on the new equipment sales to the machine owners?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

It's more on the new systems side of things.

Jason Ursaner
Managing Director, CJS Securities

I mean, just to, you know, roughly, I mean, if the whole thing is seeing some softness and it's 50/50, you know, in general terms, I guess compared to the prior cyclicality in the industry, you know, does that still have farther to go? Or I guess, how much more could that be?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

I think we're sort of starting on the uptick again here in terms of the absorption. Again, we don't see this as a long-term issue. We see this as a mainly kind of a first quarter kind of issue and things picking up, and we expect to see good progress in the next couple of quarters. Quite frankly, we assuming the macroeconomic environment plays out in that sort of couple of percent GDP, we expect to be nicely positive for the year. We're not overly concerned about what we're seeing in the first quarter, and we're probably a quarter behind where we thought we were gonna be.

Jason Ursaner
Managing Director, CJS Securities

Okay. The seasonal impact in those businesses, was that just implying part of the softness in Q1 that there was a specific benefit last year in the first year effect? Or is that just the expectable?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

We're just trying to say it's seasonal like our other businesses because it's, you know, we're talking about the holiday period. The capital investment cycle for that space is similar to the rest of Nordson, where, you know, both from our customers' capital cycle as well as the holiday period, their volumes tend to be softer in the first quarter than the remaining quarters of our fiscal year.

Jason Ursaner
Managing Director, CJS Securities

Okay. Is it more second half weighted, though, than the other? Just 'cause it looks like the-

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah.

Jason Ursaner
Managing Director, CJS Securities

Guidance for Q2 is pretty flat.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

It'll be more second half weighted, and that's based on what we see in terms of bid activity and order trends. Quite frankly, assuming you know an improvement from where we are today in the sort of the U.S. side of GDP and you know global GDP in general.

Jason Ursaner
Managing Director, CJS Securities

Okay. Just quickly in the advanced tech piece, order rates are still showing pretty solid growth. Do you think there was any impact from the timing of the Chinese Lunar New Year on year-over-year order rates? I guess also, could you just talk about whether you saw any bounce in that traditional PC server market?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah. I would say, you know, there's a little bit of benefit just on, you know, year-over-year where the new year heads, but not much. I would say, encouragingly, we have started to see, particularly in our core consumable coating applications, some new orders come in, that would be in the more traditional space. You know, if you look at the industry forecast, they're still more second half weighted for that to tick up after really probably a year to a year and a half of being fairly soft. But we have, in our recent order rates, seen some nice orders come in to support that kind of activity. That's an encouraging sign.

I'd say another encouraging sign we saw in our coatings business is really sort of in some uptick in the office furniture side that we wouldn't have necessarily expected in some leisure products. Those are things that have been soft for quite a while, and we've seen, you know, a little bit of an indication of an uptick there. You know, I think there's a lot to go there yet, but it's encouraging.

Jason Ursaner
Managing Director, CJS Securities

Okay. Appreciate the commentary. Thanks.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah.

Operator

Our next question comes from Mark Douglass from Longbow Research. Your line is open.

Mark Douglass
Senior Research Analyst, Longbow Research

Hi. Good morning, gentlemen.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Morning.

Mark Douglass
Senior Research Analyst, Longbow Research

Mike, looking at, again, going to your comments on fiscal 2013, you know, you mentioned short cycle nature of your business, but some of the order rates and your new product rollouts give you some confidence. However, when we look at tech, there's some very challenging comps. It seems like tech is still implied to have very solid growth throughout the rest of the year, though it has very tough comps. Do you have a longer view into the tech pipeline, with, you know, mobile device manufacturers maybe getting involved early in the design manufacturing development, so you just feel better, you know, you got orders in hand that likely you'll get some wins later in the year? Or can you talk about how you overcome such, you know, tough comps?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah. First of all, we like the mobile area. We like the mobile area because there's always new devices and features coming out and it's at least an annual cycle and sometimes more frequent than that. Yes, with some device suppliers, we are working on you know several next generation opportunities as we speak, and we've been working on those. We're looking to expand and broaden applications in this, in that particular space. As they put new devices in, there's some newer opportunities. We see some broadening there. Obviously, the smartphone growth rate has continued to be strong, but you know moderating a little bit as the penetration occurs.

I would say, in the electronic side, you know, we're hopeful that we'll see, you know, start back up in the second half of the year or so of some of the things that we talked about earlier in terms of more traditional applications. Finally, we've had very nice growth in our medical business, which our medical and general assembly in that space is about 25%. We're seeing nice growth there in the medical piece of that in particular.

Mark Douglass
Senior Research Analyst, Longbow Research

Was the growth in medical on a year-over-year basis not very strong last year?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

No, it was solid last year, too. I'm just saying, you know, you ask about going forward, we're seeing good growth now and we expect to continue to see good growth in that space going forward. You know, a quarter of that business is not electronics, so we see that as a continuation. Then we see the mobile as being strong, and then certain niche applications like MEMS are solid, as well. That kind of continuing phenomena from last year, we see as important. Given the potential, I think the potential upside is more of the, you know, desktop server markets picking up in the latter half of the year.

Mark Douglass
Senior Research Analyst, Longbow Research

Okay. Thank you. That's helpful.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Mark, I'd just make the point, you know, this is a point last year where we started seeing that ramp up, if you will, in the Advanced Technology order book.

Mark Douglass
Senior Research Analyst, Longbow Research

Right.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

With this, you know, at this point in our latest 12 weeks, we're still up 5% over a pretty robust set of numbers last year.

Mark Douglass
Senior Research Analyst, Longbow Research

Right.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

The trends are still moving in our favor.

Mark Douglass
Senior Research Analyst, Longbow Research

Greg, just the $2 million per quarter investments in ATS, what was it in the first quarter?

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Yeah, it was about $1 million in the first quarter.

Mark Douglass
Senior Research Analyst, Longbow Research

Okay, it steps up a little bit to 2Q.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Yeah. Step up in Q2, and we expect that same $2 million in the outer quarters of the year.

Mark Douglass
Senior Research Analyst, Longbow Research

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Charles D. Brady from BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Andrew Warkentin
Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Hi. Good morning, guys. This is Andrew on for Charlie.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Hey, Andrew.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Good morning.

Andrew Warkentin
Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Kinda just on the, kind of follow on the last question, is there kind of an expectation still for, like the high teens to 20% growth in the mobile tech market?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Are you making a statement, Andrew, or is that a question?

Andrew Warkentin
Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

It was a question. I think you mentioned it on that call last time.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah. Yeah, so if you look at smartphones last year were probably more like 30-40%. We're expecting them to be more like the, you know, high teens to 20% this year just because, you know, you've had a huge wave of penetration over the last couple of years. We still see that being very robust. Again, you know, we don't see any change in the sort of cycle of development that people are getting any slower at introducing new products. As I said earlier, we do also see there's potential to expand some of the applications that we provide today into a couple of new areas.

That sort of combination, you know, makes us hopeful that we'll see continued growth in that element of the electronics part of the business, and we're seeing that right now.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Andrew, I'd add the point that it's also the features embedded into those smartphones that are a driver as well to our top line. It may not just be the volume of smartphones, but if these manufacturers are adding features or capabilities within these devices, that's a good thing for us.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah. Add another microphone, add another camera, put another accelerometer in there, you know, Bluetooth features and then, you know, more sophisticated chips all support growth.

Andrew Warkentin
Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. I guess the other question is, are you still kinda seeing that shift, I think it was in Industrial Coating to kind of away from parts?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

What we've seen, it's not a shift away from parts. It's really a strong systems set of sales relative to what we've historically seen at this time of year. Our view is there's a lot of pent-up demand for the last couple of years that is starting to come through, at least with the big guys.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

in a, you know, in a softer cycle, when customers are pulling back from the investment in new systems, we're still selling those spare parts as they're running their production lines. In periods where you get that ramp up in investment, as we're seeing now, it's not that there's less parts, it's just the weighting is slanted more toward new systems.

Andrew Warkentin
Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. I gotcha. All right. Thanks, guys.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Okay.

Operator

Our next question comes from Liam Burke from Janney Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Liam Burke
Managing Director of Research, Janney Capital Markets

Thank you. Good morning, Mike. Good morning, Greg.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Good morning.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Morning.

Liam Burke
Managing Director of Research, Janney Capital Markets

Mike, on the adhesives business, was product mix in the traditional adhesives affect the gross margins at all this quarter?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yes. Yes. Yeah, when you look at the product lines, we do have some variation across the product lines and that did affect things negatively in terms of the more traditional approach. Yes, that was a factor.

Liam Burke
Managing Director of Research, Janney Capital Markets

So-

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Quite frankly, we're coming off a very, very favorable mix and a very high margin in the first quarter last year.

Liam Burke
Managing Director of Research, Janney Capital Markets

Okay. Great. On the coatings business, the step up in operating margins are fairly healthy. You called out the volumes contributing significantly, and those were on systems. In terms of directionally, how much more can you eke out of that business in terms of margin improvement?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah, we've got a very focused plan and have had a very focused plan over the last several years in terms of improving the profitability there. We think there's continued to be more opportunity to go in that business. Obviously, some of it you realize when the volume comes to fruition. For example, we had a very focused effort around our whole powder coatings business, and we're sort of shipping the newest designs as we speak, and we're starting to see the benefit come through from the newest approaches and designs. Yeah, we see more upside potential as the volume continues to grow there with the productivity improvements that we have in place there. I think it's a good story.

You know, obviously, as with most of our businesses, volume is important, and that's no exception. It's a good story in terms of what the team has been able to do to improve the overall profitability. Recognizing that that's an engineered systems business where we're the OEM. There's a lot of stuff in there that's not our stuff, and we're doing a good job.

Liam Burke
Managing Director of Research, Janney Capital Markets

Great. Thank you, Mike.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Okay.

Operator

Again, to ask a question, please press star then one at this time. Our next question comes from Greg Halter from Great Lakes Review. Your line is open.

Greg Halter
Equity Analyst, Great Lakes Review

Yes, good morning.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Morning.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Good morning.

Greg Halter
Equity Analyst, Great Lakes Review

I wonder if you could provide some input on the impact that pricing had on your business in the quarter?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Yeah, I'd say pricing was generally fairly flat. You know, maybe slightly up in certain areas, but fairly flat. You know, in a typical year, we might see prices move 1% or 2% over the year. You know, typically that's as the year plays out, but not huge movement. I mean, our focus is really continuing to be on bringing new technology in, price it appropriately, and then get the benefits from a margin standpoint on that new technology.

Greg Halter
Equity Analyst, Great Lakes Review

All right. I know you provided the free cash flow number, but what was cash flow from operations for the quarter?

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Give Greg a second. He's looking that up.

Greg Halter
Equity Analyst, Great Lakes Review

Okay. While you're looking that up, I presume there were no shares repurchased in the quarter?

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Not under our share repurchase program, no.

Greg Halter
Equity Analyst, Great Lakes Review

Okay.

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Cash from operations in the quarter was about $40 million.

Greg Halter
Equity Analyst, Great Lakes Review

Forty. Okay. One last one. It looked like there was about a $2.3 million swing between other expense and other income on a year-over-year basis. What was the main factors there, or what were the main factors there?

Greg Thaxton
SVP and CFO, Nordson

Yeah, the biggest item in there would be currency loss on balance sheet positions, and more specifically associated with the sharp movement in the yen.

Greg Halter
Equity Analyst, Great Lakes Review

Okay, thank you.

Operator

I am currently showing no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

Michael Hilton
President and CEO, Nordson

Well, thank you very much for participating in our conference today. I'd like again to thank our team for delivering a strong quarter, and we're optimistic about where we can go from here. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. That does conclude today's conference. You may all disconnect.

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