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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

May 3, 2022

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Onto Innovation Q1 Earnings Release Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Michael Sheaffer, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Michael Sheaffer
Senior Director of Investor Relations, Corporate Communications, Market Research, Onto Innovation

Thank you, Jenny, and good afternoon, everyone. Onto Innovation issued its 2022 Q1 Financial Results this afternoon, shortly after the market closed. If you have not received a copy of the release, please refer to the company's website, where a copy of the release is posted. Joining us on the call today are Michael Plisinski, Chief Executive Officer, and Steven Roth, Chief Financial Officer. As always, I'd like to remind you that the statements made by the management on this call will contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Such statements are subject to a range of changes, risks, and uncertainties that can cause actual results to vary materially. For more information regarding the risk factors that may impact Onto Innovation's results, I would encourage you to review our earnings release and our SEC filings.

Onto Innovation does not undertake the obligation to update these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events. Today's discussion of our Financial Results will be presented on a non-GAAP financial basis, unless otherwise specified. As a reminder, a detailed reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP results can be found in today's earnings release. I will now go ahead and turn the call over to Mike Plisinski. Mike?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Thanks, Mike. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our Q1 Earnings Call. I'm pleased to report that the Onto Innovation team delivered another record quarter of $241 million, exceeding the high end of our guidance. This represents a growth of 7% over the prior quarter and an impressive 43% over Q1 2021 . Operating margins at 31% were in line with our long-term operating model despite the ongoing supply chain challenges, which we'll discuss later in the call. Another highlight for the start of the year is the increase in magnitude of volume purchase agreements with several of our top semiconductor manufacturers. We've now closed agreements for 2022, valued at over $390 million for inspection metrology solutions across front-end and back-end applications.

This represents an increase of approximately 40% over the prior year, exceeding estimates for wafer fab equipment growth by almost a factor of two. We appreciate these expanding partnerships and believe this growth reflects the value of our collaborations and unique combination of software and hardware delivering to our customers. Let's begin with a review of Q1 , starting with our advanced nodes customers. Revenue from this market grew 36% over Q4 , resulting in an Onto record of $100 million in equipment sales. The strongest growth was from our Atlas metrology platform to support expansions in both DRAM and NAND, each growing by over 70% from Q4 . This demand is a result of both customer expansions and an increasing number of critical layers being moved to the Atlas platform.

Many of these new layers are referred to as advanced process control or APC layers, meaning our metrology is being used to directly impact the process and therefore requires higher sampling rates. For these layers, it's essential to have the throughput and the measurement robustness necessary to provide the critical data. The combination of our Atlas platform's industry-leading number of discrete channels and the AI Diffract software's unique model-modeling capability is proving to be one of the best solutions for monitoring complex nanoscale 3D structures in high-volume production. In addition to metrology for 3D structures, the adoption of Iris thin-film metrology continues to build momentum, and in the quarter, we saw Iris metrology revenue increase with several orders from the new leading NAND customer we announced late in Q4 . We expect additional customers to adopt Iris this year, further expanding our position in this new market segment.

Revenue from advanced logic customers was down after a very strong Q4 , but still significant and roughly the same as our NAND revenue. We're encouraged by the fact that about 40% of the logic revenue was in support of 3-nanometer FinFET process control in R&D and pilot production. We view this as a good early indication for significant future demand when these customers move to higher volumes. Now, turning to the specialty and advanced packaging markets, our Dragonfly G3 set another record for sales and was adopted by 12 customer sites where we were not previously the inspection process tool of record. These new opportunities, spanning both front and back-end applications, were opened up because of the high speed and submicron sensitivity of the Dragonfly G3, combined with exclusive features like our ClearFind and TrueADC technology.

Adding to that, an emerging need for defect control on both edge and backside surfaces is proving critical for advanced packaging of chiplets and HBM3 memory packages. Current solutions on the market are not meeting the customer's requirements, and to address this need, in close cooperation with the top three semiconductor manufacturers, we developed the EB40, a powerful new module for the Dragonfly G3. The new EB40 module provides high-resolution, high-speed inspection of these secondary wafer surfaces. The initial success has already led to a volume purchase agreement totaling over $70 million from this customer over the next six quarters. We expect several other customers to adopt this technology throughout the year. We also see investments in interconnect technology to enable panel-level packaging for heterogeneous devices. The advantages for heterogeneous devices and system performance, power consumption, and form factor are well documented.

However, the current cost and production constraints of legacy and sub-5-nanometer wafers provides another incentive for designers to leverage chiplet architectures to optimize circuitry for specific design nodes and create leading-edge and cost-optimized devices. To enable this shift to heterogeneous devices, a significant increase in panel manufacturing is required. A JPMorgan Taiwan report estimates that from 2021 to 2025, manufacturing capacity for these finished panels will expand with a compounded annual growth rate of 20%. Processing these panels is complex, with a lot of inherent variation in the process materials, compounded by shrinking interconnects and increasing numbers of layers printed on both sides of the panel. The first two JetStep X500 lithography systems are making steady progress through our customers' product qualification stages, which include qualifying their process.

This means that together with our customers, we're working to identify opportunities to improve both the tool and the process. Through this effort, we're also demonstrating Onto's strategic value by broadening the discussions to include process monitoring and control solutions to actively adjust equipment based on the advanced analytics we've developed. We've won two such engagements and expect a third panel yield engagement to be added in 2022. Now I'll turn it over to Steven for the Q1 financial highlights and Q2 guidance. Steven.

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Mike, good afternoon, everyone. I'll start by providing some details on our Q1 results and follow up with Q2 guidance. As Mike mentioned, we had another record quarter with Q1 revenues of $241 million, above the high end of guidance. You can't hear me? Can you hear me?

Operator

Please go ahead, sir.

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Yeah. I was just reading my audio is not coming through.

Operator

Yeah. I can hear you at this time. This is the operator.

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Okay. Can you hear me now? Okay. Let me see if I can get kicked off. Let me start over. As Mike mentioned, we had another record quarter with Q1 revenues of $241 million above the high end of guidance, which was achieved due to strong demand for our process control business. We did not recognize any revenue from our initial JetStep lithography systems in the quarter. We also are pleased to have delivered our ninth consecutive quarter of.

Operator

Your line seems to be cutting out again, sir.

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Okay. I'm not sure why.

Operator

Now I can hear you.

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Okay. Hold on one second. All right. Can you hear me now, operator?

Operator

Yes. Yes, sir. You're coming through. I can hear you clearly.

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Percent of sales and experience. No? Operator, I'm continuing cutting out on this call.

Operator

Yeah. I can hear you at this time, but do you need to establish a different phone line perhaps, or?

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Can I? I don't know. I don't have a separate phone line to dial right now.

Operator

We can hear you clearly at this time, sir.

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Okay. Yeah, hold on one second. I'm gonna move. Operator. Operator.

Operator

Go ahead, sir.

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Can you hear me now?

Operator

I can hear you at this time. Yes, sir.

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Okay. I apologize to everyone on the call. I'm having problems obviously with my phone service. Breaking down revenue by market, we saw strength in the advanced node market, as Mike mentioned, which represented 42% of sales. Our specialty device and advanced packaging market represented 41% of revenue and experienced a slowdown in the quarter, primarily from RF customers after a strong Q4. Finally, software and services decreased slightly from the prior quarter, though up 17% year-over-year and represented 17% of revenues. Gross margins were 54.3%, up from 53.8% in the same period a year ago, and down from 54.9% in Q4 . As has been widely publicized by others in the industry, we are experiencing multiple cost pressures from our supply chain that have impacted our gross margins.

We have accelerated inventory deliveries to help mitigate unexpected supply chain disruptions that impacted production and customer shipments or commitments. We have also seen increases in commodity and chip pricing, difficulty in supply availability, and a significant increase in logistic costs due to the high demand and China lockdowns. Where possible, we are working with suppliers to implement second sources and increase adoption of our newer higher-value systems. Q1 operating expenses were $56.8 million, an increase of $1.9 million from Q4 . Increase was primarily due to higher corporate and federal taxes associated with variable stock-based compensation in the quarter, as well as higher office expenses that we began reopening our facilities. Even with these inflationary pressures that we talked about, we were able to tightly manage our discretionary expenses, which resulted in a 31% operating margin for the quarter.

Net income increased in Q1 and was $65.6 million, or $1.32 per share, and above the high end of our guidance. In Q4 , we reported net income of $61.2 million or $1.23 per share. In addition, we received additional tax benefit as a result of new tax rules regarding mandatory capitalization of research and development costs, which became effective beginning of this year. There have been discussions that the new rules may be repealed. However, if they do stay in effect, we currently expect our effective tax rate to be between 13%-14%. Moving to the balance sheet, we ended Q1 with a cash position of $542 million, up $31 million from Q4.

Accounts receivable increased to $207 million in the quarter, and our days sales outstanding increased to 78 days. Our inventory increased to $263 million in the quarter on higher planned sales for H2 2022 and continued acceleration of inventory deliveries that I just discussed as a hedge against supply chain disruptions. Now turning to Q2 guidance. We currently expect revenue for Q2 from our process control business to be between $234 million and $248 million. Our guidance range excludes the potential revenue from lithography systems due to the uncertainty and timing of revenue recognition and the growing magnitude of the system's revenue, which could be as high as $20 million in Q2. Earnings per share in the revenue range is expected to be between $1.16 and $1.35 per share.

We expect that our gross margins will hold steady at 54.5% ±1%, primarily accounting for the impact we see from the supply chains. Again, this guidance does not include the lithography systems. Operating expenses, we are aggressively hiring to support our growth, and we perform our annual compensation adjustments in the beginning of Q2. Therefore, we currently anticipate that our operating expenses will increase in Q2 and be in the range of $57.5 million-$60.5 million. With that, I'll turn the call back to Mike for additional insights on Q2 and the remainder of 2022. Mike.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Thank you, Steve. I'm glad your phone is working. Using the midpoint of guidance for Q2 , we're projecting 33% growth for H1 2022 versus the prior year, which is well ahead of the current consensus for annual wafer fab equipment growth. As we discussed, our performance reflects not just the strong markets, but our growing position within these markets. As Steve mentioned, this does not yet include any lithography systems. In Q2, and for the remainder of the year, we see 3D NAND investments being the largest contributor to growth. The current transition to high stack 3D NAND is still in the early stages. We estimate that by the end of this year, only 10% of NAND will be greater than 176 layers.

We expect that number could be as high as 80% of NAND by the end of 2025. In addition to leveraging our core Atlas OCD metrology, we've been closely collaborating with leaders in high-stack NAND to demonstrate the benefits of the Aspect metrology and Meta Pulse acoustic metrology for critical high-stack NAND applications. As a reminder, the unique benefits of Aspect and Atlas metrology combine to provide fast and accurate channel hole metrology, which is critical to yields. We expect to add our second customer for Aspect metrology in this quarter and possibly a third by the year end. In addition, we have learned the control of the amorphous carbon film thickness is critically important for proper transistor formation in high-stack 3D NAND.

As these films become thicker, the Meta Pulse's inherently nondestructive on-product measurement capability is proving to be the safest and most accurate source of this critical data. We expect this to be a significant new driver for the Meta Pulse technology, adding to the already strong demand from expanding RF and power customers. To support the growth in DRAM, NAND, and logic, the generally conservative silicon wafer manufacturers are increasing capacity over the next year. This creates demand for our Element material systems, where we are best in class for carbon and oxygen metrology, and our Nova unpatterned macro inspection systems, where we are five times more sensitive at the wafer edge than our competition. Based on the backlog we have, we expect both products to increase in revenue in H2 2022 and continue to grow into 2023.

With end market demand expected to remain healthy through the year and the additional tailwinds from new applications such as panel lithography, 3D NAND, and expansions in silicon wafer manufacturing, we maintain our view that H2 2022 will be stronger for Onto Innovation than the first half. Of course, this assumes no unforeseen supply chain or geopolitical impacts, which is certainly a factor but remains very difficult to predict. With that, we'll open the line for your questions. Operator.

Operator

Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Again, press star one to ask a question. We'll pause for just a moment to allow everyone an opportunity to signal for questions. We'll go first to Craig Ellis of B. Riley Securities.

Craig Ellis
Director Of Research, Senior Semiconductor and Capital Equipment Analyst, B. Riley Securities

Yeah, thanks for taking the questions, and congratulations on the strong execution. Mike, I wanted to start with just a point or a question on one of the operating dynamics. You talked about the volume purchase agreement, so clearly, very strong customer engagement with Onto year-to-date with, I believe it was $390 million. The question is, how should investors look at the potential for you to add any further volume purchase agreements through the year? Do you typically do that, mostly in Q1 , or is that something that is built on over the course of the calendar year?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Generally, it's in Q4 leading up, but we had a few of them through negotiations, and also, they were still refining their own plans based on supply chain challenges they were having. A couple of them drifted into Q1 . Generally, they're all locked up in Q4 .

Craig Ellis
Director Of Research, Senior Semiconductor and Capital Equipment Analyst, B. Riley Securities

Got it. And then a clear message that 3D NAND is gonna be an area of strength as we look at Q2 and the back half of the year. If you were to bin out some of the end- use areas and rank them below 3D NAND, how would that look for Onto Innovation this year?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Well, we still see a pretty strong demand from the packaging customers. I mentioned the work on the EB40 and the demands that I highlighted there. That's gonna be a pretty strong contributor throughout the year. I'd say below that, DRAM remains pretty strong. I mean, there's a lot that'll go on in Q4 , we believe. There's a lot of factory expansion. Some have slipped from Q3 to Q4 , pretty well-publicized, so you know, part of that is DRAM. I'd say that would be our third. Of course, lithography, which would fit into packaging, but the panel lithography is, you know, separated as we wait for the sign-offs to progress.

Craig Ellis
Director Of Research, Senior Semiconductor and Capital Equipment Analyst, B. Riley Securities

Got it. I'll just flip it over to Steve for one question. Hopefully the line's working on your end, Steve. On the tax item that you mentioned, what was the percent and earnings per share benefit in the quarter? I think you said if this persists, it would mean a tax rate of 13%-15%. Is that correct? Thank you.

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Yeah. Can you hear me, Craig? It would probably be closer-

Craig Ellis
Director Of Research, Senior Semiconductor and Capital Equipment Analyst, B. Riley Securities

Yep

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

to like 13%-14% tax rate, if it persists. We had to put it in place because it went effective at the beginning of the year. I'd say probably, again, our tax rate's typically in the 16% range, 16%-17%. It added probably about $0.05 to the EPS in the quarter.

Craig Ellis
Director Of Research, Senior Semiconductor and Capital Equipment Analyst, B. Riley Securities

Got it. Thanks, guys. I'll hop back in the queue.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Thanks, Craig.

Operator

We'll go next to Quinn Bolton of Needham.

Quinn Bolton
Managing Director, Equity Research, Needham & Company

Thanks, guys. Let me just follow up on Craig's question there on the tax. What are the chances that it gets repealed or that you won't be able to continue to recognize that benefit? Do we need a change in tax law to go back to the 16%-17%, or is it more company specific?

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Yeah, no. It's a change in the tax law. This was put in back, you know, during the Trump administration, and it kicked in starting this year. You know, obviously with talks in the current administration, there's been, you know, tax changes and things like that. That's where there's rumbling of it potentially going away. It's not specifically to Onto. We all got this tax change in the beginning of the year.

Quinn Bolton
Managing Director, Equity Research, Needham & Company

Got it. Thank you for that clarification. Wanted to ask on the litho, you know, I know you're going through the qualification, but can you give us any sense, you know, how far through that qualification are you? How likely is it that you think you might be able to recognize some of that $20 million figure that you'd mentioned in Q2 ?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

I think there's a good chance. We've always said we think Q1 or Q2, but there's, you know, there's because of the complexity that it's not just our tool but also, for instance, reticles. We've had to redo reticles several times as the customer debugs the reticles printing for the process. With, you know, several layers on each side, that's quite a bit of extra work that is sort of happening in parallel to the qualification of our stepper. So it's hard to predict, but, you know, we're hopeful or we're optimistic that Q2 we can see that put behind us.

Quinn Bolton
Managing Director, Equity Research, Needham & Company

Great. Then Mike, a follow-up on lithography. I know, you know, at the beginning of the year, you put out the statement that your backlog for litho had at that point reached about $100 million. Can you know, help quantify for us, you know, in a high-volume panel manufacturing facility, how many steppers would you need in that facility? Is it one or two? Is it more than that? I'm just trying to get a sense, you know, as we see panel move into high-volume production. You know, what's the unit opportunity per high-volume factory?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

These are moving into high volume. The way these lines run, they're set up as lines, almost like solar lines, where, you know, you kind of input raw material and output a finished panel, unlike a traditional wafer fab. Each line takes two steppers, one to print the front side, then it's flipped and printed on the backside, then it moves to the next step in the line. I would say what we're seeing for some of these larger fabs is they're being built to support up to, let's say, 10 lines, you know, maybe six to ten lines from what we know.

Quinn Bolton
Managing Director, Equity Research, Needham & Company

Perfect. Yeah.

I mean, I think that's changing and the market quickly evolving, but that's sort of where we're at now.

Great. That's very helpful. Thank you, Mike.

Operator

We'll move to our next question from Tom Diffely with D.A. Davidson.

Tom Diffely
Director of Institutional Research, D.A. Davidson

Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for the question. A couple more lithography questions for you, Mike. When you look at your backlog, is that mainly the 500, or is that composed of the 2,300s and the 3,500s as well?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

It's a good question. It's primarily the X 500s. I'd say there's onesie-twosies of the others. I'm not even sure we included those in the $100 million. I'd say it's, you know, it's primarily the X 500.

Tom Diffely
Director of Institutional Research, D.A. Davidson

Okay. Do you have any-

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Ninety-five.

Tom Diffely
Director of Institutional Research, D.A. Davidson

Oh, go ahead.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Sorry. I said like 95% by primarily, you know, quite a bit.

Tom Diffely
Director of Institutional Research, D.A. Davidson

Okay. All right. Is there any update on your ability to ramp capacity over the next couple quarters?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Yeah, that's another good question. We're making steady progress. We've done a lot of hiring. We've brought in some really talented leadership, and they're having an outsized impact, I would say, on our progress. Teams are coming together. The talent is coming in, and I'm seeing every time I go downstairs, you know, steady progress, not just on the tool builds, but on how they're being built, the efficiencies in tracking and moving material and doing the sub-assemblies and quality control checks. There is quite a bit that is required and that we still have yet to do, but the progress is really positive.

I would say, you know, by the end of this year, we should be in fairly good shape, maybe a little bit into the new year, 2023.

Tom Diffely
Director of Institutional Research, D.A. Davidson

Okay. When you look at the orders that go into, I think now 2024, are you the gating factor there, or is that just when those factories are planned to be built?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Oh, that's another good question. No, I would say we're the gating factor. Some of them, there are some factories where we're tied to a new factory build-out, but if we could ship product earlier, they would take it earlier. Yeah, we're a gating factor, and we're working hard to you know, we've already talked about increasing the capacity for 2023, where we're now looking at what it would take to increase capacity again for 2024.

Tom Diffely
Director of Institutional Research, D.A. Davidson

All right. Good. Final question on the Iris. Why was NAND the first product or the first line that adopted Iris, and is it applicable to the other DRAM and logic entries as well?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Well, for sure it wasn't the first. We've had probably over 12 or 15 customers in total across a wide range, and the first was a top three semiconductor manufacturer. That was from last year. What I mentioned was that this quarter we had another big uptick in the Iris platform, and it was because of a new NAND customer that recently adopted. We talked about it in Q4 with the press release, a fairly large, let's say agreement or purchase agreement, volume purchase agreement, covering a wide range of our product lines, including the Iris.

Tom Diffely
Director of Institutional Research, D.A. Davidson

Okay. Thank you for your time.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

You're welcome. Thanks, Tom.

Operator

We'll move on to our next question from Brian Chin of Stifel.

Brian Chin
Director of Semiconductor Capital Equipment and Semiconductor-Memory/Foundry, Stifel

Hi there. Good afternoon. Thanks for letting us ask a few questions, and congratulations on the results. Maybe first question, more in the gross margin vein, so maybe for you, Steve. Can you quantify what sort of the incremental headwind was in terms of, you know, this inflationary cost environment in terms of Q1, whether you expect that to be similar or up in Q2? And also, if you get those rev recs in Q2 on the X five hundreds, where do you think, let's assume that $20 million revenue, what do you think that does to gross margins in 2Q? And I have a follow-up.

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Yeah, let's talk about the first part, the supply chain side of it, Brian. I mean, we saw a significant increase in, I think, in logistics and freight costs. That probably cost us almost three-quarters of a point on the margin. Then obviously, we've had some obvious supply, you know, inventory and, you know, supply parts increases too. I'd say, I mean, normally we're at 55% in our core business and, you know, I think that's where we would have been if it wasn't for these logistics costs for sure. On the X 500, I mean, that's a little tougher, right? You know, obviously there's a big range in there depending on the Revenue Recognition.

As we've said, you know, these initial systems are gonna be very low margin, little margin to low margin systems because they were done through, as we started direct manufacturing and engineering build.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Until we have an idea of what actually is gonna get revenue recognized in the quarter, it's kind of hard to say what, how much that's gonna impact the overall margins. You know, it's gonna persist. I mean, obviously, as Mike talked about a minute ago, I think in answer to Craig's question, we are in a significant manufacturing ramp. You know, we do expect, you know, that to persist throughout for the next several quarters as we continue to ramp up building more and more of these systems. I think it's a little early to tell you exactly the impact on Q2 from those systems.

Brian Chin
Director of Semiconductor Capital Equipment and Semiconductor-Memory/Foundry, Stifel

Got it. I imagine, you know, this is obviously a big step up in that revenue; when it hits this year, and then, you know, probably levels of, and as the other businesses that have higher margins and you make improvements, you converge with your target model again, maybe next year.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Exactly.

Brian Chin
Director of Semiconductor Capital Equipment and Semiconductor-Memory/Foundry, Stifel

I guess, Mike, in terms of you made some reference to sort of your exposure to the bare silicon wafer market. Clearly, you know, there's clear messaging that there's not enough supply out there and for probably many years. It sounds like you're starting to see that capacity expansion hit you in a favorable way starting H2, 2022 . Can you maybe help us size your exposure to that and kind of maybe anything else sort of unpacking that opportunity, you know, H2, 2023 ?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Sure. As I mentioned, it's two primary products. Both are for, you know, process control. One is for inspection of the edge and backside, and the other is for elemental content. I mentioned the oxygen and there's another material that are critical for us to measure and control for the high-end applications of the wafers. You know, EUV, for instance. Both of those products, if I combine them, we've talked about, I think in the past, around 120-140 SAM that's addressable, you know, worldwide. Based on the, let's say, the backlog that we have and which actually extends into 2023 for these product lines, I'd say where the opportunity is, you know, upwards of 50% of that SAM, maybe more.

Brian Chin
Director of Semiconductor Capital Equipment and Semiconductor-Memory/Foundry, Stifel

Got it. Yeah. Got it. That's really helpful. Maybe I can sneak one last one in, and you know, some discussion of sort of back-end inspection here, a contributor to the VPAs, I think that you referenced, Mike. I know a lot of focus in terms of heterogeneous integration in the compute market, being a big adopter of that. I think there's also a pretty good incremental adoption that can come out of smartphone chipsets moving to maybe 2.5D packaging in the couple of years ahead. I'm just curious. This might be difficult, but if you had to fan out, like, your SAM for back-end inspection over the next, you know, 2-3 years, what do you think that growth rate could look like?

I would imagine it's probably north of expectations for WFE.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Yeah, that's a good question because there's a lot going on in the world of advanced packaging. You've mentioned just two, but there's also hybrid bonding that we've talked about, I think, last quarter or quarter before. We're seeing a lot of investments there and focus there. And then this new EB40, which is also a wafer level packaging technique. So as far as the growth rates, I would say I would expect it to be above WFE. I would say that the smartphones from a panel perspective are likely more geared towards the panel level fan-out. At least that's what we've seen so far.

We have seen some increased demand for panel level fan-out, where that was really hot 3, 4 years ago, kind of petered out a little bit and most manufacturers shifted back to copper pillar or decided on copper pillar for a couple generations. Now we're seeing that shift back to panel level fan-out. Those would be the lower, kind of lower end applications, where high performance compute would be in this more panel substrate type application. I didn't give you a direct answer to your question. The other reason is the growth in panel level fan-out. There is not a lot of inline inspection. Right now it's a lot of, you know, final inspection, and it's not very high resolution inspection.

As far as inspection and metrology to drive real process control and yield enhancements, this is some new focus for many of our customers. That's why we talked about some of these engagements opening up the opportunities for us to co-learn and work together to drive improvements in margins for these lines and therefore hopefully drive a lot of potential inspection business for us from that perspective. To give you an idea, you know, what we're hearing is yields for some of these lines are in that 30%-80% range, which is a wide range, but even at 80%, it's not very, very high yields.

Brian Chin
Director of Semiconductor Capital Equipment and Semiconductor-Memory/Foundry, Stifel

Okay. That's great. Great color. Thanks.

Operator

We'll go next to David Duley of Steelhead.

David Duley
Managing Principal, Steelhead Securities

Thank you for taking my question. I was just wondering, you know, you've given us lots of data on multiple products that you talked about during your prepared remarks. As far as the 3 nanometer ramp up

When would you expect to start to see, you know, a more significant volumes for that?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

I would say next year, maybe early. You know, we had originally hoped the end of this year, and there was some, you know, some changes to our customers' plans. I would hope that that's. You know, the demand is still high. We still see, as you saw, you know, 40% of our logic revenue. The amount of pilot and R&D investments was so significant that it amounted to 40% of our logic revenue in the quarter. I think there's a lot of activity, and I would call that in preparation for a ramp. I'm optimistic that we'd see that in H1 2023 .

David Duley
Managing Principal, Steelhead Securities

Okay. You know, you've exceeded your revenue targets in Q1 and talked about how H2 is gonna be bigger than H1 2022 You know, I haven't done the math, and I was just kinda curious, you know, if wafer fab equipment grows in this, you know, let's say 15%-20% range, where do you think Onto will shake out?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Above that. Based on what I said, it would be north of 23%. I mean, I think flat. If we were quarter- to- quarter flat, that's around 23%. Since I said above, you'd have to guess at how much above. It would be above 23%. Either way, even if we're flat, we would be ahead of the WFE, as you described it.

David Duley
Managing Principal, Steelhead Securities

Excellent. Now, I asked this question last quarter. I think you gave us some commentary in your prepared remarks. You know, as you ship out these lithography tools, where are you with, you know, providing a package of metrology and inspection and software to applications and tools along with them?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

For panel level fan-out applications, actually, we've got a significant traction there. We have several customers already adopting the StepFAST, which is our branded solution, which integrates software inspection, the Firefly and our stepper, the JetStep 3500. That's, you know, a fully integrated turnkey solution, and so that's adopted. I think we now have, you know, three or four customers, panel level fan-out customers. Most everyone who's ramping panel level fan-out is adopting that solution. We have a couple others interested in it, talking about, you know, for their new lines, looking at that same technology.

Moving to the X-500 customers, as I mentioned there, we're still in the learning phase with them, so there's applications we think that we can bring to bear, and there's a lot of willingness and openness to work with us. So we've been putting together a team, a cross-functional team to work with select customers and drive, you know, some level of yield improvement by looking at fab-wide software opportunities or the data that the fab-wide software can provide, areas where we can then apply certain process control techniques to feed into the lithography, which is one of the biggest determining factors of the yields, in order to improve the overall line. So it's early stages for that second group.

David Duley
Managing Principal, Steelhead Securities

Okay, thank you.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

You're welcome.

Operator

As a reminder, it is star one if you have a question at this time. We'll go to Mark Miller with The Benchmark Company.

Mark Miller
Stock Analyst, Benchmark

Congratulations on another record quarter. I was just wondering, in terms of the backlog, in the profile, the products in the backlog, is it similar to the margins you've recently been reporting, or is it above or below in terms of the margins of the equipment in the backlog, what you've recently reported?

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

You're asking about our total backlog, Mark? I mean, is-

Mark Miller
Stock Analyst, Benchmark

Right. Right.

David Duley
Managing Principal, Steelhead Securities

If I look at our, it would be close to, I mean, pretty much the corporate, the normal corporate process control margin, I mean, margins, because it is obviously the same mix between metrology, inspection, kind of concomitant with the business. No uneven weighting in our backlog right now between metrology, inspection. I mean, then you obviously talked about the litho. It's got $100 million on top of that, but if that's what you're asking.

Mark Miller
Stock Analyst, Benchmark

Right.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

I think to add a little color, there's several of the VPAs include some of the new products, and those will have certainly much higher margins than the previous products. They add more value, and they provide more value. To sort of what might dampen that is then the amount of lithography that's in our backlog, and that, of course, has much lower margins. Steve's answer that it's about, you know, say around the corporate average, that makes sense, but I just wanted to add a little color that for sure in our backlog, we're seeing a lot more adoption of the new products that do have higher margin with the exception of the lithography.

Mark Miller
Stock Analyst, Benchmark

What was your cash flow from operations for the quarter?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Uh, um-

Mark Miller
Stock Analyst, Benchmark

... CapEx?

Steven Roth
CFO, Onto Innovation

Cash flow from operations was about $45 million. CapEx is, like, $2.5 million, so about $43 million free cash flow.

Mark Miller
Stock Analyst, Benchmark

Okay. Then your anticipation of a stronger H2 , is that confidence coming from the backlog or anticipation of just better business, especially from the memory chip people or both?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Like, I mean, can you say again, Mark?

Mark Miller
Stock Analyst, Benchmark

Well.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Yep.

Mark Miller
Stock Analyst, Benchmark

I'm saying your.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

Mark, can you repeat that question?

Mark Miller
Stock Analyst, Benchmark

Sure. Your anticipation of stronger results in H2 compared to H1 2022 , is that, you know, from your visibility in the backlog or anticipation of better business, say, coming from NAND and DRAM customers?

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

I would say it's mostly the backlog, but also the discussions we're having with our customers about their ramp plans. They're still pushing on us very hard for equipment. You know, there's a little bit of movement, like I mentioned, with some of the customers' ramps. Overall, the demand environment is still very strong, and our backlog continues to grow. I'd say that, yeah, it's a combination of both.

Mark Miller
Stock Analyst, Benchmark

Thank you.

Michael Plisinski
CEO, Onto Innovation

You're welcome. Thank you, Mark.

Operator

It appears there are no further questions at this time. I'd now like to turn the conference back to Michael Sheaffer for any additional or closing remarks.

Michael Sheaffer
Senior Director of Investor Relations, Corporate Communications, Market Research, Onto Innovation

Thanks, Jenny, and we'd like to thank everybody for joining us today. A replay of the call is going to be available on our website by 7:30 P.M. Eastern Time this evening. We'd like to thank you for your continued interest in Onto Innovation, and everyone, have a great day. Jenny, please conclude the call.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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