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Earnings Call: Q3 2017

Mar 15, 2017

Speaker 1

Welcome to Oracle's Third Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. Now, I'd like to turn today's call over to Ken Bond, Senior Vice President. Ken?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Holly. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Oracle's 3rd quarter fiscal year 2017 earnings conference call. A copy of the press release and financial tables, which includes a GAAP to non GAAP reconciliation and other supplemental financial information can be viewed and downloaded from our Investor Relations website. On the call today are Chairman and Chief Technology Officer, Larry Ellison and CEOs, Safra Katz and Mark Herb. As a reminder, today's discussion will include forward looking statements, including predictions, expectations, estimates or other information that might be considered forward looking.

Throughout today's discussion, we will present some important factors relating to our business, which may potentially affect these forward looking statements. These forward looking statements are also subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from statements made today. As a result, we caution you against placing undue reliance on these forward looking statements, We encourage you to review our most recent reports, including our 10 ks and 10 Q and any applicable amendments for a complete discussion of these factors and other risks that may affect our results or the market price of our stock. And finally, we are not obligating ourselves to revise our results or publicly release any revisions to these forward looking statements in light of new information or future events. Before taking questions, we'll begin with a few prepared remarks.

With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Safra.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Ken. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm going to focus on our non GAAP results for Q3. I'll then review guidance for Q4 and then I'll turn the call over to Mark and then Larry. Just so you all know, we're not all in the same place today.

So we may all answer it once. So just give us a chance. Clearly, we are delighted with our results as software and cloud revenue was at the high end of my guidance and earnings per share was $0.06 above the high end of my guidance. Our pivot to the cloud is now clearly in full swing. We continue to see outsized growth rates in our cloud business, especially when compared with our key competitors who are all seeing slowing growth.

But more importantly, the increase in revenue from our cloud business has overtaken new software license declines on an annual basis. Next year, I expect our cloud revenue will be larger than our new software license revenue. The investments we've made to transition our business to the cloud have been important to ensure that Oracle remains a technology leader and we're now beginning to see the benefits in our results. With cloud overtaking new software license revenue, we expect our business to once again exhibit the same pattern we delivered over the previous decades as a license business. That is growing revenue with disciplined cost management that results in EPS and cash flow that grow even faster.

I expect EPS growth to ramp up throughout next year. We continue to use to reflect how we measure the business. This quarter, the effects of currency movements were largely in line with my guidance of 1% currency headwind for revenue and $0.01 negative impact to EPS. Cloud, SaaS and PaaS revenue for the quarter was $1,100,000,000 up 86% from last year. You can also see the continued strength of our cloud business in the SaaS and past billings and deferred revenue.

The gross deferred revenue balance is now over $2,000,000,000 up 75% in U. S. Dollars and SaaS and PaaS billings grew 111% in U. S. Dollars this quarter.

We've put the billings numbers up on our website for you to see the detail. When you add together cloud SaaS Patch revenues and new software license revenue, together we grew 11% in constant currency. This is a significant milestone in our transformation where the combination of our cloud and new software license business added together are growing. As cloud becomes an even larger percentage of the total, the growth will only accelerate with earnings and cash flows following along. As our SaaS Pass business continues to scale and grow dramatically, the gross margin continues to expand.

The Q3 gross margin for SaaS and PaaS was 65%, up from 51% last year and I expect it to be about the same in the same region in Q4. I expect that our total SaaS path gross margin will continue to trend toward 80% over time. Cloud Infrastructure as a Service revenue was $178,000,000 up 19% from last year. The Q3 gross margin was 30% as we continue to make the necessary investments to scale out this business. As we make additional investments, the expenses get immediately while the revenue is recognized over time.

So the gross margin in this part of the business could decline to roughly about 20% over the next few quarters, after which I expect gross margin will climb to more than 40% as the business scales. Total cloud revenue in the quarter was approximately $1,300,000,000 with growth modestly accelerating to 72% in constant currency from last year. Total on premise software revenues were $6,200,000,000 with software updates and product support revenues at $4,800,000,000 up 3% from last year. Attach and renewal rates remain at their usual high level as our installed base of customers continue to grow. In fact, they actually increased.

New software license revenues were nearly 1,400,000,000 dollars down 15%, reflecting the continued emphasis on and migration to cloud. Total hardware including hardware support was down 9% with hardware system product revenue of $520,000,000 and hardware support revenue of $508,000,000 again reflecting our focus on the move to the cloud. For the company, total revenues for the quarter was $9,300,000,000 dollars up 4% from last year. Non GAAP operating income was $3,900,000,000 up 4% from last year and the operating margin was 43%, up from 42% last year. The non GAAP tax rate for the quarter was 21.6% as the rate was favorably impacted by some one time benefits and some other factors, including favorable geographic mix this quarter.

Non GAAP earnings per share was $0.69 in USD, up from $0.64 and up 8% in constant currency. The GAAP tax rate was 17% and the GAAP EPS was $0.53 in USD, up from $0.50 last year. Operating cash flow over the last 4 quarters was $13,500,000,000 which is lower because of the rapid growth we're seeing as we transition to cloud and having an impact on our working capital. Our operational metrics like DSO and days payable are stable. So it's just largely an effect of growth on working capital and timing.

Capital expenditures for Q3 were $440,000,000 with about a third of it from real estate, while most of the rest was about cloud build out and internal use. Free cash flow over the last four quarters was $11,800,000,000 We now have approximately $59,000,000,000 in cash and marketable securities. Net of debt, our cash position is approximately $5,000,000,000 The short term deferred revenue balance is $7,600,000,000 dollars up 7% in constant currency. This quarter, we repurchased approximately 13,000,000 shares for a total of $500,000,000 Over the last 12 months, we've repurchased 124 4,000,000 shares for a total of $5,000,000,000 and paid out dividends of $2,500,000,000 And the Board of Directors increased the quarterly dividends 27% from $0.15 to $0.19 per share. Now let me go to the guidance.

Because we expect to continue to see continued volatility in exchange rates, We do also expect to see significant currency headwinds. I'm going to give you constant currency guidance, but if the current exchange rates remain the same throughout the quarter as they are right now, we actually expect to see currency headwind of 2% on revenue and $0.02 negative impact on EPS. These currency headwinds are higher than last quarter, meaning that most of your Q4 estimates do not yet reflect the incremental revenue and EPS headwinds of an additional negative impact of 1% and $0.01 to EPS. All of my guidance today is on a non GAAP basis. With that, my guidance is as follows.

SaaS and pass revenue, including NetSuite, is expected to grow 69% to 73%, effectively raising my full year guidance from 80% to 81% for the year. We're beginning to see an increasing and favorable attach between our PAS and IAS orders. So I'm going to provide guidance on IAS as well this quarter. IAS is IaaS is expected to grow 25% to 29%. Software and cloud revenue including SaaS, PaaS and IAAS, new software license and software support is expected to grow 1% to 3%.

Total revenue is expected to grow from negative 1% to positive 2%. EPS is expected to be between $0.78 $0.82 in constant currency. Now this assumes a non GAAP tax rate of 23.5 percent, but of course the Q4 tax rate could end up being different. With that, I'm going to turn this over to Mark and then Larry follows him.

Speaker 4

All right. Thanks, Zafra. We thought Q3 would be strong going in and as you can see it turned out to be just that. I'm going to give you a bunch of numbers here and try to give you a little bit more insight to the quarter. First in ARR we booked $545,000,000 in USD.

Every number I'm going to give you is actually in CD, unless I say differently. $545,000,000 in USD, dollars 5.57,000,000 in CD that is up 73% and the 2nd best quarter we have ever had. SaaS bookings were $322,000,000 and PaaS infrastructure bookings were $223,000,000 in USD. Cloud revenue was up 72% and we're now at an annualized $5,000,000,000 run rate. SaaS PaaS revenue was up 86%.

We're the fastest growing scaled cloud business in the world and that is on top, that growth rate is on top of last year's 60%. In ERP, we were up 2 80 percent organically and with NetSuite ERP is now our largest pillar. Fusion HCM was up 106 percent. That's more than 3 times the growth rate of Workday. CX was up 16% with marketing service both over $100,000,000 in quarterly revenue.

Our verticals up for 109% and also over $100,000,000 in quarterly revenue. Database as a service was up 427%. Our database business including all of our on premise business is now growing. PaaS was up 3 75% year to date with middleware cloud services up 300%. As Safra mentioned, SaaS PaaS billings were up 111% in USD.

SaaS PaaS deferred revenue was up 75% in USD. Now some customer metrics. Our 11.25 new SaaS customers in the quarter, 908 expansion, 210 customers who bought SaaS also bought PaaS. CX we had 480 new customers and 5.86 expansions. In HCM we had 2 0 6 new customers and 2.17 expansions.

In ERP, we had 564 new customers that does not include NetSuite. We got 120 expansions. 50% of our new ERP customers never had Oracle ERP before they bought this quarter. Our active base of ERP customers is now approaching 3,700. 1465 are live, 10x Workday.

In total we now have 13,103 customers in our SaaS active base and 25,000 with NetSuite. 2 thirds of our new customer wins were for Fusion, 283 go live for Fusion, 2,444 customers are now live on Fusion. We have 2,380 new PaaS customers in the quarter and 2,586 new customers buying standalone infrastructure as a service. As a point of clarity, PaaS and infrastructure customers are counted for each service that they buy. Lastly, this was an excellent quarter.

Bookings, billings and revenue were all extremely solid. Now a few predictions. Q3 bookings growth was strong as I mentioned 73%. We will book at least $2,000,000,000 in ARR this year. Q3 revenue growth was impressive at 72% and with revenue now at an annualized run rate of $5,000,000,000 we are clearly the fastest growing cloud company at scale.

With that, I'll turn it over to Larry.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Mark. Let's see. Generation 2 of Oracle's Infrastructure as a Service Cloud now has the ability to run our customers' largest databases, something that is impossible to do using Amazon Web Services. Amazon can only run relatively small Oracle databases in their cloud. Gen 2 of Oracle IaaS also delivers ultra high database performance and fault tolerant reliability in the cloud.

Many Oracle workloads now run 10 times faster in the Oracle cloud versus the Amazon cloud. It also costs less to run Oracle workloads in the Oracle cloud than the Amazon cloud. And the Amazon Cloud. As a result, some of our largest customers are negotiating huge infrastructure as a service contracts to move all their databases to the Oracle Cloud. You can expect some of those big deals to be announced in the coming weeks.

Fast growth in the infrastructure as a service business is new for us. We've done well in SaaS and in PaaS over the past few years, but this is the first time we've ever had a technology lead in infrastructure as a service. We are now in position to help our 100 of 1000 of database customers move millions of Oracle databases to our infrastructure as a service cloud. SaaS and PaaS are large rapidly growing businesses for us. Together SaaS and PaaS grew 85% this past quarter.

But soon infrastructure as a service will be growing even faster. And before long, Infrastructure as a Service will become Oracle's largest cloud business. In summary, all of Oracle's cloud businesses are growing rapidly and IaaS will be leading the way in the future. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Larry. Holly, if we could prepare the audience for Q and A portion of the call now.

Speaker 1

Our first question is going to come from the line of Kirk Materne with Evercore ISI.

Speaker 6

Thanks very much and congrats on a very nice Q3. My question is for Mark. Mark, obviously a really nice quarter across the board, but particularly from a cloud bookings perspective. Can you talk about what changed, if anything, in the quarter versus the Q3 or the Q2, either in terms of the macro backdrop or better

Speaker 4

Kirk, I felt good about Q1. I feel good about Q2. I feel good about Q3. I didn't feel any major change. It's just really the timing of when bookings closed.

I mean we had a very strong set of quality wins. I mean if you went in to HCM, I mean just to give you some idea Kirk, I mean we closed America Movil in the quarter, Cedars Sinai Medical Center, Ford, Emerson, Hilton, Hyundai Motor, Jefferies, Rogers Communications, I mean we had a very strong set of logos in the quarter. I mean in ERP we closed Charter and ClubCorp, Cummins, Lufthansa, Dish Network. I mean it's just a I could go on. I don't have time to tell you all of these deals.

But we saw it going in. We felt it would happen. It did. And I think our team executed well. I would say Kirk that there was no it wasn't geographically centered and it wasn't pillar centered.

As I mentioned earlier, we had incredible growth in ERP 280% organically. We had 106% growth in HCM. We had strong growth in our sales automation business. And it wasn't unique to one geography. So in the quarter broad based cross pillar cross geography.

In terms of going forward, our pipeline is big. I mean, I've said it before, I'll say it again, our pipelines growth, if you looked at it year over year resembles all of the growth rates you've heard in terms of what you've seen in terms of our bookings growth this quarter. And I think our execution just continues to get better. So we're glad. I would also add in the quarter that NetSuite's performance accelerated.

So from mailed asked reported quarter in terms of bookings growth, their growth in the quarter which for them was an odd thing because they're not used to having a December, January, February quarter. But when you compare it apples to apples they grew faster than the last reported quarter in terms of bookings as well. So it was a very good quarter for us.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks very much.

Speaker 1

Our next question is going to come from the line of Kash Rangan with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Speaker 7

Mark, you must be wearing a suit and Larry maybe you're wearing a sweater because you're talking tech and Mark is talking applications. So I'm going to direct my applications question to Mark, if you don't mind. Mark, can you talk about what's ahead for cloud SaaS? Obviously, there's manufacturing, order entry, supply chain, those kinds of things they could go for the cloud. How should we think about the cycle ahead in that regard?

Thank you very much.

Speaker 4

Well in ERP, I mean listen there's a big change for us in ERP. This is not the world of 2 providers and us talking about upgrade cycles. I mean what's happened to us in ERP and I go back to the fact that 50% of our customers in the quarter were just brand new to us. They never had bought ERP from us before. And what's happened is our total available market has just become incredibly large.

If you looked at the persona of our customers that are in the ERP cloud today, they were not or most of them, more than 50% of them today were not an Oracle ERP customer before they bought from us. So I don't think cash it's really more of a cycle. I think it's really more of just an inflection point for us in terms of we're now at a place where we have almost 4,000 customers in ERP SaaS. Many of our on prem customers have not moved and yet we're in a position where we can go get a whole set of customers that we never had access to before. Mid market customers we can do that globally and we can go now for customers that want to move to a SaaS application in the cloud and get all of those benefits.

Frankly, our competitors' user bases have all opened up to us. And so I don't see it quite as a cycle as I see it's a big change in the opportunity for us in terms of the total available market we can go after. Larry may have a comment or 2 he'd like to add as well.

Speaker 5

No. Again, I couldn't agree with Mark more. Our ability now to service much smaller customers than we could service in the past is because the cloud allows you to deploy ERP at much, much lower cost. You don't have to have you don't have to build a data center obviously, you don't have to hire programmers, you don't have to hire a bunch of data operations people. We do all that for you.

Therefore, the available market is at least double what it used to be. And we're also beginning to see, as Mark said, SAP customers moving over their ERP and some very, very large SAP customers looking very closely at our ERP systems. So we expect to have some big wins in the SAP installed base. So again, we could announce in the coming months.

Speaker 2

Next question please.

Speaker 1

And our next question is going to come from the line of Raimo Lenschow with Barclays Capital.

Speaker 7

Hey, thank you and congrats for me as well. I had a question around 12c. So you had 12c now in the cloud for a good few months and I saw last week it's now available on premise. Can you talk a little bit about the early feedback from customers you saw on Release 2 in the cloud? And what does it mean now that it's available on premise?

Obviously, in the olden days, that kind of spiked a little bit of an uptick in the database license growth. I'm just wondering how we have to think about it now in the new cloud world? Thank you.

Speaker 5

Okay. For one thing, it's important to note that our cloud business, our license business for database is growing. So on prem database business continues to grow. I'm not talking about support, I'm talking about new licenses. That business is growing and grew this fast Q3.

An awful lot of our customers are planning to move their database workloads to our cloud, but they're going to bring their own license. In other words, they own a whole bunch of Oracle licenses and they're just going to move those licenses to our infrastructure as a service. So we expect our database license business to continue to grow, continue to respond kind of as it has in the past. In other words, as cool new features become available like faster in memory processing, the ability to take an existing single tenant application and automatically turn it into a multi tenant application to be very attractive to our customers and our ISVs. They'll buy more licenses.

They may then in turn bring those licenses to the cloud. So we expect our on premise or better said, our database license business to continue to grow and accelerate because of 12.2.

Speaker 7

Perfect. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Just as a follow-up, because I know what Larry meant, it's our database business grew support plus license plus database as a service. Those 3 categories together our database business grew in the quarter. Next question?

Speaker 1

Our next question is going to come from the line of Phil Winslow with Wells Fargo.

Speaker 8

Hey, thanks guys and congrats again on a great quarter. I really wanted to focus in particular on the PAS line because obviously you guys put up a huge ARR quarter there. Safra, you mentioned increasing attach of IAS to PaaS. And part of our thesis has been since you rolled out the new data center 2.0 model on IAS, IS, that increasing attach there within drive acceleration in the PaaS business. So a question to, I guess, all 3 of you, I'll jump all is, what are you seeing since the announcement of OpenWorld on the IS side and how is that impacting, how do you expect it to impact the PaaS business?

Speaker 4

Well, I mean, Phil, there's a lot of questions you had in one question there. So I mean, I think the point we've continued to try to indicate is that we've seen a continual connect first path to SaaS. So we've had a bunch of SaaS customers who seeing when somebody buys a SaaS application, they buy PaaS. I think part of what we're talking about with attached with infrastructure is it becomes a bit hard to differentiate in some cases what is a pure infrastructure and what is PaaS. Because the customer now buys the computer, buys the computing, buys the storage etcetera along with PaaS.

And so you begin to get a blurring to a degree of the infrastructure business and the database business. But no question about it, we continue to see the attach rate continue to incline of pads to our SaaS which I think was your at the core of your first question, Phil. Yes.

Speaker 8

Yes. So they're attached to the 2, yes.

Speaker 3

Yes. For our database customers, when they come in, they can order pass, they can bring or they can bring their licenses, use IaaS. And as a general matter, when they're running a database workload, they're probably got something else too. And so they're going to need some IaaS to actually run their applications when they're not our SaaS application. So we're seeing these together very often.

And so I figured as we've now moved as we're moving to our more advanced from what you used to have, I thought I would break it out for you so you'd see it.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1

Okay.

Speaker 2

Next question, please. Our

Speaker 1

next question is going to come from the line of John DiFucci with Jefferies and Company.

Speaker 9

Thank you. My question is for Safra. Safra, you've previously talked about double digit constant currency earnings growth for next year. You had meaningful outperformance this quarter and your guide was better than where the street is. I guess you also mentioned in your prepared remarks about EPS ramping through next year.

I guess just to clarify, do you expect to still achieve double digit growth? And is that exiting the year it will be double digit growth? Or are you talking about for the entire year?

Speaker 3

So I expect that when you look at the entire year, it will be double digit growth, but it will start smaller and get bigger as we get through the year. So Q1, I don't know right now. It's a little too early. We'll talk again as to what I'm going to see. Things look nice.

But I'm going to we'll talk again in June on Q1. And I think by the end of the year, the only question is which quarter we switch right into double digit. And it's a little too early to tell, but I expect to see it for the year.

Speaker 9

Okay. Okay, great. And just if I could, a quick follow-up and a related profitability note. The one thing in the results this quarter was cash flow actually declined from a year ago, I think this quarter. You mentioned in your prepared remarks working capital and timing issues.

And can you just provide a little more detail on what you mean by that?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean there's really nothing in it. It is pretty much just timing of when we paid stuff and things like that. I mean we'll be filing our Q. Our plan is to file it on Friday.

You can spend the weekend digging through it. We dug through. There's nothing interesting going on whatsoever. We're growing and it's really just timing of different working capital impacting accounts and really nothing in particular.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. Looking forward to that weekend.

Speaker 3

The Oracle Q, yes.

Speaker 1

Our next question is going to come from the line of Keith Weiss with Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 10

Thank you guys for taking my questions and nice quarter. Maybe one for Larry just to clarify the positioning on infrastructure as a service. When we think about the Gen 2 offering, is the positioning a platform your customers to run Oracle workloads primarily? Or is this more of a general purpose platform that you expect to go head on with AWS and Azure for general purpose type workloads?

Speaker 5

It's absolutely a general purpose workload because with the Oracle database as a back end, we have no idea what that application might be. It could be a banking application. It could be a DNA base pair matching application. There are millions or tens of millions of Oracle applications running, they're going to have to move infrastructure as a service. And the back end will probably run the database in PaaS, but we have to have a completely generalized infrastructure as a service offering that's what we built.

And we think we have performance and cost advantages with our new Gen 2 over both Amazon and Azure.

Speaker 1

And our next question is going to come from the line of Sarah Hindlian with Macquarie. Great. Thank you so much and congratulations on the quarter. I would love, Safra, if you could give us an early indication or any potential impact you expect on the business model from FASB and IASB initiating new revenue recognition policies? Whatever you're seeing or thinking there that we should be starting to think about would be helpful.

Speaker 3

Sure. For us, it's no big deal actually. It's really very much a non event. I do hear one of our competitors talking all sorts of stuff about it. No effect for us, de minimis.

Maybe they're trying to talk about something else. But in our case, we're not actually early adopting, but it doesn't make a difference really. 0 impact whatsoever on cash flows and no impact on what we disclosed to you or any of the things that this other company is talking about. For us, it's really nothing.

Speaker 1

All right. Thank you. That's very helpful. Okay. And our final question

Speaker 11

This one is actually for Larry. I was wondering if you could share with us, it does appear that the company is coming to an inflection point in regards to your transition to the cloud. And given the results from today and your commentary about Q4 and the earnings growth for next year, how long do you think this could run?

Speaker 5

Well, we have a very, very large database business. We have hundreds of thousands of database customers. And we have millions and millions of applications that run on the Oracle database. Most of those databases and most of those customers will move most of those databases and most of those workloads to the cloud. And we think our cloud will be right now we have a huge technology lead over both Amazon and Azure with our new generation 2 infrastructure as a service.

We can deliver ultra high performance. People have been buying these Exadata database machines that are getting used to running very large databases very, very fast. And we can deliver comparable ultra high performance at very, very low cost in our cloud. So we think how long does it take to migrate several 100,000 customers and several 1000000 databases to the Oracle Cloud. And I think the rate of migration is going to accelerate over the years, but it's going to be at least a 5 year run of very, very rapid growth as our database business begins to move.

You've seen what it's like in our application business began to move to the cloud several years ago. And but that's a little bit different. I mean that was we built all new applications and they migrated from an old application, either an old SAP application or an old PeopleSoft application or the E Business Suite and they migrated to our new Fusion ERP Suite. That's very different than simply lifting up an Oracle database workload and moving it over to Oracle, the application goes to infrastructure as a service and then the database goes to platform as a service. That's a faster process, but a much larger installed base.

Again, my estimate is that business will move over the majority of it will move over the next 5 years and that's going to give us enormous growth rates over that 5 year period.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Thank you. And I'll now turn the call over to Ken Bond for closing comments.

Speaker 2

About that, Holly. Thank you, everybody, and thank you, Holly. A telephonic replay of this conference call will be available for 24 hours. Dial in information can be found in the press release issued earlier today. Please call the Investor Relations department with any follow-up questions from this call.

We look forward to speaking with you. With that, Holly, why don't I turn it back to you for closing.

Speaker 1

Once again, we'd like to thank you for participating on today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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