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Earnings Call: Q2 2019

Dec 17, 2018

Operator

Welcome to Oracle's Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. I'd like to turn today's call over to Ken Bond, Senior Vice President.

Ken Bond
SVP, Oracle

Thank you, Victoria. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Oracle's Second Quarter fiscal year 2019 Earnings Conference Call. A copy of the press release and financial tables, which includes a GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliation and other supplemental financial information can be viewed and downloaded from our investor relations website. On the call today are Chairman and Chief Technology Officer, Larry Ellison, and CEOs, Safra Catz and Mark Hurd. As a reminder, today's discussion will include forward-looking statements, including predictions, expectations, estimates, or other information that might be considered forward-looking. Throughout today's discussion, we will present some important factors relating to our business, which may potentially affect those forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are also subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from statements made today.

As a result, we caution you against placing undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, and we encourage you to review our most recent reports, including our 10-K and 10-Q, and any applicable amendments for a complete discussion of these factors and any other risks that may affect our future results or the market price of our stock. Finally, we are not obligating ourselves to revise our results or publicly release any revisions to these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events. Before taking questions, we'll begin with a few prepared remarks, and with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Safra.

Safra Catz
CEO, Oracle

Thanks, Ken. Good afternoon, everyone. I'll first go over Q2 before moving on to guidance. I'll then turn the call over to Mark and then Larry for their comments. Let me start by summarizing that Q2 was another solid quarter. Constant currency revenue growth was slightly above the high end of my guidance, and constant currency earnings per share was $0.02 above the high end of my guidance. As in prior quarters, I'll review our non-GAAP results using constant dollar growth rates unless I state otherwise. Total cloud services and license support revenues for the quarter were $6.6 billion, up 5% in constant currency. This accounted for nearly 70% of the total company revenues, and most of it is recurring revenues. GAAP applications total revenues were $2.8 billion, up 7%, and GAAP platform and infrastructure total revenues were $5 billion, up 1%.

Mark will go over more detailed revenue and bookings numbers in a moment. The gross margin for cloud services and license support was 86%, essentially the same as last year, with continuing improvement in SaaS gross margins, stability in software support gross margins, and continued investment in Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. As we continue to scale and grow our cloud business, I expect our gross margins will ultimately go higher. Total revenues for the quarter were $9.6 billion, up 2% from last year. Non-GAAP operating income was $4.1 billion, unchanged from last year, and the operating margin was 43%, the same as last year. The non-GAAP tax rate for the quarter was 18.6%, slightly below our base rate of 20%, and non-GAAP EPS was $0.80 in U.S. dollars and up 19% in constant currency.

The GAAP tax rate was 15.9%, and GAAP EPS was $0.61 in U.S. dollars, up 22% in constant currency. Operating cash flow over the last four quarters was $15.2 billion. Q2 operating cash flow was in fact negatively impacted by our first installment payment over $600 million on the one-time transition tax related to the U.S. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. Over the last four quarters, capital expenditures were $1.5 billion, and free cash flow was $13.8 billion, up 10% in U.S. dollars. We now have more than $49 billion in cash and marketable securities. The short-term deferred revenue balance is $8.2 billion, and that's up 6% in constant currency. The remaining performance obligations, or what we'll refer to as contract backlog, will be in the 10-Q and is now $30.1 billion, of which approximately 62% will be recognized as revenue over the next 12 months.

We remain committed to returning value to shareholders through acquisitions, internal investments, and a return of capital with stock repurchases and dividends. This quarter, we repurchased 203 million shares for a total of $10 billion. Over the last 12 months, we have repurchased 602 million shares and reduced the absolute shares outstanding by over 12%. The board of directors again declared a quarterly dividend of $0.19 per share. Turning to currency, I expect the strengthening U.S. dollar will increase the currency headwind to 4% for Q3, and a $0.03 headwind to earnings per share. For Q3, my guidance is total revenues are expected to grow 2%-4% in constant currency. I continue to expect that second half revenue growth will be higher, and we remain committed to delivering a higher constant currency growth rate for all of fiscal 2019 when compared to last fiscal year.

You may remember that last year's Q3 EPS included some one-time events, which I called out at the time, which helped by about $0.03 last year. In addition, my EPS guidance assumes a base tax rate of 20%, which is nearly four points higher than last year because last year's tax rate was a catch-up quarter for the new tax law. Certainly, one-time tax events could cause actual tax rates for Q3 to vary from the base rate. I expect that in normalizing for these one-time events, our tax rate will average around 20% for fiscal year 2019. Okay, with all that, for this quarter, non-GAAP EPS in constant currency is expected to grow between 7%-9% and be between $0.86 and $0.88.

non-GAAP EPS for Q3 in USD is expected to grow between 3%-5% and be between $0.83 and $0.85. While my double-digit constant currency EPS growth guidance for fiscal year 2019 has not been a specific number, I can tell you that internally, I have in fact raised my fiscal year 2019 constant currency EPS growth rate estimate. With that, I'll turn it over to Mark for his comments.

Mark Hurd
CEO, Oracle

Thank you, Safra. Solid quarter for us from top to bottom. Total revenue was up 2% in constant currency with cloud service and license support up 5%, of course, EPS up 19%. That's the seventh consecutive quarter we've had reported double-digit EPS growth. Apps had a spectacular quarter. We had great momentum, growing 7% for the overall ecosystem, over $11 billion in trailing 12 months, 91% of that is now recurring revenue. We continue to grow revenue faster than the market. We have an enormous opportunity ahead of us, particularly in ERP as well as HCM. To Safra's point about some numbers, let me give you some numbers about our SaaS business. Overall, ERP and HCM now have annualized SaaS revenue of $2.6 billion, up mid-20s%. Oracle Fusion Cloud Applications revenue growth was 34%. Oracle Fusion Cloud ERP revenue growth was 44%, all organically. NetSuite ERP revenue grew 25%.

Vertical revenue and applications grew 35%, annualized revenue now of $800 million. In terms of SaaS bookings, I want to try and give you some context. As I talk about bookings, this did not show up in any way, shape, or form in our revenue. ERP and HCM's booking growth rate has accelerated the last four quarters and now is in the high 30s. In addition, we saw our largest movement of the install base customers to Oracle Cloud ERP with almost roughly 200 customers moving in the quarter. All of that, of course, shows up in bookings and not revenue. In addition, SaaS net bookings. Let me try to say this carefully. SaaS net bookings, which factor in our non-renewals, were the highest ever in the company's history for a non-Q4, and up in the high 30s%.

Our Tech ecosystem, GAAP Tech ecosystem, was $21 billion on a trailing 12-month basis, Q2 was a 1% growth, with database new license support revenues up low single- digits. Larry's going to talk quite a bit more about Oracle Autonomous Database. We are seeing more than 1,000 trial activations per month currently between data warehouse and transactional bases, and this number continues to ramp. We also had our Oracle Cloud@Customer solution, which has been one of our exciting offerings, revenue up triple- digits, booking up in the low 40%. I'm going to mention a few customer names that I thought I'd explain some of the wins in the quarter that are behind some of the Apps numbers I described. Generally, I'm going to talk about some back office wins and a few full suite wins.

One win was at MGM. This is MGM Resorts, the hospitality company. ERP, or really our full suite, including supply chain. That actually replaced a product called Infinium, which is part of Blizzard of brands inside Infor. We had a very large win at a large distribution company whose name I can't mention, but it was a complete suite win, ERP, HCM. By the way, this is a theme I'm going to tell you about how when we win ERP, it is now increasingly that we connect HCM to that win. People want the same UI, user interface, the same workflow, et cetera. ERP has a tremendous effect on pulling HCM through. Another exciting win we had was at Johnson Controls.

Johnson Controls was, again, a suite win where we sold them Service Cloud, both our Service Cloud and our field service solution, and really to one of their divisions also, ERP in their Tyco division. Very exciting win for us. Hormel, food processor, great win for us. ERP, our full suite of ERP, inclusive of HCM. Very exciting. A company called Securitas. You probably may see them performing security in many major facilities around the country, but again, a full suite win there. Helzberg Diamonds, again, a full suite win there as well. Indiana University Health Center, this is again another This actually was a Lawson, if you've heard of the Lawson product, we replaced there with ERP, EPM, really our full suite, in addition to HCM.

I won't go through all the color with all these, but let me just read off some more names for you, just so you get some context for it. Littlewoods, a retailer. Samsonite. Verifone. Department of the Environment in Australia, Land and Water, really significant win for us there. The European operation of Toyota, very significant win for us in ERP. Marvell Semiconductor. I'm going to run out of minutes here. Dana Corporation, very nice win for us. DHL in Italy, Gilead Sciences, Ithaca College, and I'm going to stop. I know because it just keeps going. This was a, as I just told you, the biggest net bookings we've had in our history on non-Q4, and that's by the way, a booking statement, and they're supported by these quality wins.

Last thing I wanted to do was, before I close, is just talk to you about a survey that came out from IDC. I've talked to IDC about it, and I have to read this literally. I have to read it to you in its entirety to make sure that I get the message that they want across. I'm going to do it, and let me start with open quotes. This is from IDC. "In the SaaSView survey IDC released in October of 2018, where it surveyed 276 HCM SaaS customers on their experience with SaaS HCM vendors, including Oracle, Workday, and SAP SuccessFactors.

Oracle SaaS HCM is the highest rated among the three vendors in most scoring categories, including vendor satisfaction, likelihood to recommend vendor to a colleague, data security, trusted brand, lower TCO, value for the price paid, ease of use, superior features functionality, ease of implementation, customer support service, product innovation, and geographical reach." The reason I wanted to read that to you is instead of that coming from me and my opinion, this comes from an independent analyst community, and I want to make sure I share that with you. Let me just close to say it was a solid quarter, again, with 19% EPS growth and 10% free cash flow growth. The strength of our bookings growth, along with climbing renewal rates, gives me confidence that our cloud apps business is only going to strengthen from here.

If I'm not being clear, this is perhaps the best apps quarter we've had just in terms of bookings, breadth of bookings across the portfolio, and the visibility that gives us into the revenue backlog. Looking forward, we still expect full-year revenue growth will be higher than last year, and EPS will grow double- digits for the year. With that, I'm going to turn it over to Larry for his comments.

Larry Ellison
Chairman and CTO, Oracle

Thank you, Mark. Oracle has two strategic products that will determine the future of our company, Cloud ERP and the Autonomous Database. Virtually every technology analyst organization agrees, Gartner, Forrester, IDC, and the rest. Please read the published reports that Oracle has developed the world's most advanced ERP technology, featuring an easy-to-use voice interface and machine learning-based artificial intelligence to automate many formerly manual ERP processes. But more than being simply the technology leader in ERP applications, the analysts also confirm that Oracle has translated that technology leadership into market leadership in Cloud ERP with nearly 6,000 Fusion ERP customers, plus more than 16,000 NetSuite customers. We're adding about 1,000 new Cloud ERP customers every quarter. Technology analysts also agree that Oracle's new Autonomous Database gives Oracle the largest technology lead we have ever enjoyed over our database competitors since we entered the database market almost four decades ago.

As we pair our new Autonomous Database with our new Generation 2 Cloud Infrastructure, we expect not only to hold onto our 50% database market share, we expect to increase it. That means millions of Oracle Databases will move to the Oracle Cloud. Those are the two strategic initiatives that we are focused on. One, continue to expand our market leadership in Cloud ERP, which should make us the world's largest cloud application company. Two, maintain our database technology leadership and migrate our 50% database market share to the Oracle Cloud. We're optimistic about our ability to deliver on these two strategic initiatives and our ability to be the leader in these two key market segments. With that, I'll turn it back over to Safra.

Safra Catz
CEO, Oracle

Okay. I think we're ready for questions.

Ken Bond
SVP, Oracle

We are ready for Q&A, Victoria.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw, press the pound key. Our first question comes from the line of Mark Moerdler with Bernstein Research.

Mark Moerdler
Analyst, Bernstein Research

Thank you very much, and congratulations on the quarter. SaaS ERP is the largest growth driver within SaaS, and we believe within your total apps business. There's so many moving parts that it's not obvious in the reported results. Can you give us a sense of when you expect that SaaS ERP will be large enough and growing fast enough to start to visibly improve year-over-year revenue growth first in SaaS, and then in overall apps? As a quick follow-up, can you give us any color on the timing of conversions for book two revenue? Has it improved or not? Thank you.

Larry Ellison
Chairman and CTO, Oracle

The answer to both questions is no. No. First, I'm kidding. I'm kidding, Mark. It's holiday season. I thought it was time for some festive commentary. First of all, it is happening. When you look at first and breaking these into pieces, the NetSuite performance has been spectacular, is just one piece of it. When we bought the NetSuite was growing 15-ish sort of percent. I sort of said this as color on our call, their bookings, starting if you went into Q3 of last year and Q4 was spectacular. Q1 was strong again. They had another very strong bookings quarter again in Q2. Their revenue growth has now gone up to 25-ish percent in the quarter. That is obviously significant for us in terms of their scale and now their improved growth rate.

I really have, I don't want to say higher expectations. I continue to have high expectations that they'll continue that momentum that we've seen, meaning increased growth rates. The Fusion growth rate in ERP is even higher than NetSuite's. I hope by the quality of wins I described to you get a flavor for the popularity of that solution now in the marketplace. When you combine the two together, our target is that we could see hundreds if not, and I want to be careful, wavy line here, Mark. We can get into close to $1 billion worth of growth next year out of those two solutions. I'm not giving you the number. I'm telling you it's that sort of opportunity for us in scale.

Mark Moerdler
Analyst, Bernstein Research

To add to it, the thing that I tried to make sure was clear on the wins we're describing is the pull. When we sell ERP, the ability for us to pull other solutions with it is doing nothing but growing, particularly as it relates to HCM. Does that answer your question?

Helps point me in the right direction.

Larry Ellison
Chairman and CTO, Oracle

Okay. Next question, please.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brad Zelnick with Credit Suisse.

Brad Zelnick
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Great. Thanks very much for taking the question. Happy holidays, everybody, and congrats on the results. Larry, I think we all appreciate how sticky Oracle Database is, given it stores some of the most valuable information in the world. The competitive noise in the market just keeps getting louder and louder. What's your latest thinking on the competitive dynamics for Database?

Larry Ellison
Chairman and CTO, Oracle

Okay. Well, there's a wonderful Gartner report that ranks the technology, the Oracle Database technology. Oracle's ranked with a huge number one lead by Gartner. A distant second is Microsoft. A distant third is IBM. A ridiculously distant fourth is Amazon, who's making all the noise. We think we have a huge technology leadership in database over Amazon. What Amazon did is they got their databases. By the way, Amazon Aurora is just MySQL open source. Amazon Redshift is also just a borrowed open-source system. These are very old systems that Amazon took open source databases and gave them an Amazon name and put them on the Amazon Cloud. The beauty of what Amazon did is they put them on the Amazon Cloud, and they made them available on the Cloud.

They did that long before we made the Oracle Database available. But in terms of technology, there's no way that a normal person would move from an Oracle Database to an Amazon database. It's just incredibly expensive and complicated, and you've got to be willing to give up tons of reliability, tons of security, tons of performance to go ahead and do it. We have a huge technology advantage. Again, don't believe me. Read the Gartner report. The Oracle Autonomous Database has the biggest technology lead we've ever had in the database world from a technology standpoint. The problem is we have to deliver that Oracle Autonomous Database on first-class cloud infrastructure to be successful in the cloud business. We need more than just a great database. We have the best database, but we also need first-class infrastructure to run that database on.

We now finally have that with our Generation 2 Cloud. I think you'll see the combination of the Oracle Autonomous Database and the Generation 2 Cloud. You'll see rapid migration of Oracle from on-premise to the Oracle Public Cloud and to the Oracle Cloud@Customer. As I said in my opening remarks, we think we're not only going to hold on to our 50% share, we're going to expand it. Jeff Bezos gave the command, "I want to get off the Oracle Database." They've been working on this for a few years to try to get off the Oracle Database and get onto the Amazon databases. It's taken Amazon, who's dedicated to doing this, several years, and they're not there yet.

Nobody else is going to go through that forced march to go onto the Amazon databases if Amazon can't even get there without this kind of effort. We're confident we hold onto our

Brad Zelnick
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thanks very much for the first section.

Larry Ellison
Chairman and CTO, Oracle

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John DiFucci with Jefferies.

John DiFucci
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you. Listen, my question is sort of a follow-up to Brad's. Larry, I think it's more for Mark and maybe Larry, too. We understand your focus on moving your 50% relational database market share to the Oracle Cloud, but that's going to take time for your customers to get there. Until then, they're likely considered to buy for on-premise deployments. This quarter, platform and infrastructure grew 1% constant currency. We realize there's headwinds in there from the middleware business and probably some other things, but more interested in the database. As you say, Larry, that's one of the strategic products that has to be successful here. Can you give us some more color on the database in this quarter, especially for the options?

Two that stand out for me are multi-tenancy and in-memory, but I know there's others that are associated with the Oracle Autonomous Database. These are two, but others that are really specifically there. I guess when will we see those tailwinds from whatever middleware and whatever else is causing them to subside in that part of the business?

Mark Hurd
CEO, Oracle

Larry will start, then I can follow up with some numbers for you, John. Okay. The database options grew about 4% in a quarter. We've never had a quarter that I know of where the database license business has not grown. The issue has been, when will we get our cloud infrastructure solid enough to host our database? The answer is, we did that several months ago, but less than a year ago. Less than a year ago, we got the infrastructure in shape, OCI, the Generation 2 of our infrastructure is now there. We're now running thousands of Oracle Autonomous Database trials that our customers look at this. Customers can migrate from on-premise to the autonomous database very quickly. It's not a technology upgrade. It's just an update. Just move your data, drop a few indexes, and you're there. You can do it very quickly.

We expect that the uptake next fiscal year, we're going to get enough business for the Oracle Database and the Oracle Public Cloud to move the needle. Kind of the answer to the question, when does ERP actually move the needle? When does ERP get around the billion-dollar growth rate? Mark said we got a shot at doing that next year. We have a shot at doing the same thing, moving the needle the same distance with Oracle Autonomous Database next year. By the way, John, just a couple of points to Larry's point. We haven't had a quarter where database license and our support business didn't ever grow. Just to follow up a little bit of color, the autonomous options actually grew the fastest of the group of options.

Again, while the trials are what I said, we now have thousands of trials, and they're growing monthly, which is again, to Larry's point about next year's impact on revenue. The options are a pretty good precursor to that you're seeing those options like, again, Active Data Guard, Oracle Multitenant, et cetera, that are really driving the options growth that Larry described.

John DiFucci
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Thank you.

Larry Ellison
Chairman and CTO, Oracle

Thanks, John.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Phil Winslow with Wells Fargo.

Phil Winslow
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Thanks, guys, and congrats on another strong quarter here. Just wanted to follow up on, Larry, your last comment there about the Autonomous Database. Obviously, the transactional database just came out in August and the data warehousing one earlier this year. What has the feedback been from customers? Why is the interest level growing? Is it cost? Is it availability, et cetera? Maybe just some more color on what you're hearing from clients

Now that the two options have been live out there. Then just to your point there about sort of the adoption life cycle, wondering if you can kind of step us through that. What are the key milestones you think customers need to see to then start hitting the inflection point on adoption?

Larry Ellison
Chairman and CTO, Oracle

Okay. Well, I'll tell you, the thing I thought would drive the autonomous usage was reduction of labor costs. You eliminate human labor, you lower costs. You eliminate human labor, you lower errors. What has really been driving it is productivity. We've had customers that literally got their databases up and running in 15 minutes. Existing customers, existing DBAs, put up another system in 15 minutes, whereas the normal time to put something like that up was 15 days. The fact that the existing teams of DBAs, our primary customers, can make themselves dramatically more productive, get 10 x more done in the same time period than they could prior to the Autonomous Database, has been the thing that has been most shocking to our customers.

It's the thing that we think is actually going to drive the migration, more so than, if you will, closing data centers and reducing labor costs.

Phil Winslow
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Thanks, Larry.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Sarah Hindlian-Bowler with Macquarie.

Sarah Hindlian-Bowler
Analyst, Macquarie

All right, great. Thank you for taking my question, and congrats on the quarter. This is a question for Safra and Mark. It's obviously a very turbulent market out there. I'd appreciate it if you both could tell us a little bit about what you're hearing from customers when you meet with them. What are they telling you about how they see the world in light of all the volatility that's going on? Thank you.

Safra Catz
CEO, Oracle

Well, many of our customers, especially those moving to SaaS and moving to the cloud, are looking for ways to increase productivity, to spend a lot less money running their back offices, and to get real business insight from the technology. There's an immense amount of excitement around it, frankly. In fact, a number of our customers that may use one of our cloud products are now moving to our other cloud products without even doing a full RFP and competitive analysis because they've been so satisfied with our products. In fact, just today, I got a call from a very well-known company, they've already picked our ERP, were so happy, they're just going to roll out HCM and supply chain management now next. There's a lot of enthusiasm around our products. As a general matter, regardless of the economy, our products save them money.

It gives them more money to invest in other things. That's what obviously I focus on with them.

Mark Hurd
CEO, Oracle

I'd say, listen, Sarah, most of our customers want to focus on their business, focus on growing their business. They want to focus on their customers and what they do to make money. I think IT, I know you all know this, most of what's going on in business IT today is most of the big budgets are spent on maintenance, keeping the existing applications, the existing infrastructure, just running. Very little innovation. The chance here with the products we have is now to change basically their paradigm, to shift their IT budgets to our R&D budgets. This is very attractive to our customers to transfer the work from them to us, and while they do it, to use the line Larry always uses, which is they have to be willing to spend less as they do that.

They get all this innovation sort of at the same time. This has now become something that we don't have to evangelize. To Safra's point, it's sort of becoming more mainstream in every dialogue. This last week, I was in the Midwest, saw tens of customers, I would tell you, it's one of the first trips where I didn't spend evangelizing much. I spent more time really talking about what we could do. Meaning, the maturation of the market now is, as a normal course of business, how can we help save money, get more innovation at the same time? By the way, just to add to Larry's point, while he talked about the great advantages, customers do want to get out of data centers. They do want to get out of servers. They do want to get out of infrastructure.

They typically don't help our customers advance their business. When you can do all this for them and you can help them save money and drive innovation, this is a big deal out in the market, and this is what our customers are talking about.

Sarah Hindlian-Bowler
Analyst, Macquarie

All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Mark Hurd
CEO, Oracle

Next question, please.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Raimo Lenschow with Barclays.

Raimo Lenschow
Analyst, Barclays

Hey, thanks for taking my question. Given that the comms are getting easier on the ops ecosystem for the second half, there's almost kind of the room for accelerating further, can you double-click again on that ERP NetSuite strength? You have 16,000 customers, but it's in theory a big market and you're re-accelerating it. Can you double-click on what's working there and how big that could get over time? Thank you.

Mark Hurd
CEO, Oracle

Well, sort of everything. Just to be clear, at NetSuite, and I've been through this before, but at the risk of going over it again, there are three core tenets, as we bought NetSuite, that we really focused on. One was, we believe they were underserved in terms of the amount of sales resource they had in the marketplace. We've increased that dramatically, both domestically. Make sure I'm clear to you, Raimo, a lot of the growth we've had in NetSuite isn't just international, it's domestic. They've had a tremendous run in the United States of America, just simply getting them more customers. Now, we've also expanded their resource internationally, and we've grown internationally. Just more sales resource has been part of it. Second, we've increased their R&D to get to more countries.

With release 19.1, we're now 18.1 and 18.2, we're now covering more countries than we were before. We have more salespeople with more product available in more locations. Third, we're very focused on industries. When we say industries, we don't mean something like just retail. We actually go into micro segments into the marketplace like campus bookstores, and say we're going to really get features for that discrete micro segment. Those three fundamentals of more sales resource, more countries, more micro segments, those are the three key fundamentals that we've driven. By the way, we follow a lot of that same formula with Fusion, which is really sort of the same formula that we drive there. NetSuite's just done a great job.

That team's done a great job, and if I haven't been effusive enough about it, I'm thrilled with their performance and what they've done in their future.

Raimo Lenschow
Analyst, Barclays

Perfect. Thank you.

Safra Catz
CEO, Oracle

Next question, please.

Operator

Our final question comes from the line of Michael Turits with Raymond James.

Michael Turits
Analyst, Raymond James

Hey, guys. Good evening. If Oracle Autonomous Database does as well as you expect, what's the impact of that on infrastructure as a service? Is there a feedback there?

Safra Catz
CEO, Oracle

Well-

Safra

Larry Ellison
Chairman and CTO, Oracle

Okay. Yeah. Well, Oracle Autonomous Database and Exadata services and Oracle Autonomous Database, we think will be between a third and a half of infrastructure. Obviously, it's going to drive infrastructure. It is the driving force in infrastructure. In fact, if we did nothing but run Oracle applications in the Oracle Public Cloud, and Oracle ISV applications, all we did was move Turner over and all these other guys over, and all the existing Oracle applications, we'd be more than 10 x bigger than Amazon. That's all we did. Of course, we're ambitious to do more than that. We have the big SaaS business as well. The Oracle Database will drive the infrastructure business. It will be between around 50% of that business and maybe more.

Safra Catz
CEO, Oracle

Okay.

Michael Turits
Analyst, Raymond James

Thanks.

Safra Catz
CEO, Oracle

I think that's it for us. Oh, let me just say one other thing. To the extent that Oracle Autonomous Database does very well also, you can imagine that our margins on PaaS, IaaS, they just go through the roof. The more of our infrastructure that is that, not only are the revenues up, but the margins really skyrocket.

Ken Bond
SVP, Oracle

Okay. Thank you, Safra. A telephonic replay of this conference call will be available for 24 hours. Dial-in information can be found in the press release issued earlier today. Please call the investor relations department with any follow-up questions from this call, and we look forward to speaking with you. Thank you for joining us today. With that, I'll turn the call back to Victoria for closing.

Operator

Thank you for joining today's Oracle's Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. We appreciate your participation. You may now disconnect.