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Earnings Call: Q1 2023

May 9, 2023

Operator

Good day. Welcome to the Orion Group Holdings first quarter 2023 earnings conference call and webcast. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. On today's call, management will provide prepared remarks, and then we will open up the call for your questions. To ask a question, analysts may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the key. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Margaret Boyce, investor relations for Orion. Please go ahead.

Margaret Boyce
Director of Investor Relations, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us today to discuss Orion Group Holdings first quarter 2023 financial results. We issued our earnings release after market last night. It is available in the investor relations section of our website at oriongroupholdingsinc.com. I'm here today with Travis Boone, Chief Executive Officer of Orion, and Scott Thanisch, Chief Financial Officer. On today's call, management will provide prepared remarks, and then we'll open up the call for your questions. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that today's comments will include forward-looking statements under the Federal Securities laws. Forward-looking statements are identified by words such as will, be, intend, believe, expect, anticipate, or other comparable words and phrases. Statements that are not historical facts, such as statements regarding the current and expected status of our negotiations regarding a replacement credit facility are forward-looking statements.

Our actual financial conditions and the results of operations may vary materially from those contemplated by such forward-looking statements. Discussion of the factors that could cause our results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements are contained in our SEC filings, including our reports on forms 10-Q and 10-K. With that, I'd now like to turn the call over to Travis. Travis, please go ahead.

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Thank you, Margaret. On our last earnings call, we outlined our strategic plan for improved performance, and today we have a lot of positive news to share. Before that, I want to acknowledge that our first quarter results did not meet expectations. The main issue was volume and continued wrap-up of problem projects. We had several marine jobs that experienced owner delays in the quarter. I know no one wants to hear us talk about weather, but we did in fact have some abnormally bad weather that impacted our business in Texas in January, and this significantly impacted our production rates and volume for the quarter. As we've said, we are working toward closing out legacy underperforming projects by mid-year. This resulted in revenue declining 9% to $159.2 million, with a gross profit margin impact of around $5.8 million.

In the construction business, we are used to lumpy quarters, both on the upside and downside due to project timing and weather and other unforeseen delays. We saw some of that this past quarter in both our concrete and marine businesses. We were very successful in winning significant contracts early in the quarter that will drive our volume later in the year. We are seeing slower activity from major customers like the Army Corps of Engineers, especially for dredging in the Gulf. Generally, we have seen some bids as well as contract awards slipping to the right. Overall, we think some of the hesitation with agencies revolves around funding availability from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, especially with marine and transportation infrastructure projects. However, on the concrete side of the business, we are continuing to see attractive bid opportunities from our key clients and partners.

Although we are hearing indications of possible slowing somewhat later in the year. While we still have some project cleanup to complete, based on our current backlog, we anticipate that the second quarter will significantly improve over this quarter, and in the back half of the year, we'll see some major acceleration. Until then, we're carefully managing expenses and running the business as efficiently as possible. We are executing our plan and all indications are that by September we'll be cranking. Above all, we certainly don't think the first quarter is indicative of what we can do for the full year. Scott will go into more detail on first quarter performance. As we have said before, it will take time to get this ship turned around and performing to our expectations.

Even so, we are acting with urgency and making steady progress on the execution front, and our new initiatives are starting to deliver tangible results. I'll start with our first initiative to fix profitability in the concrete business. During the first quarter, we reached an important milestone in our concrete segment. March was our first profitable month in 2 years. The steps we've taken to implement more disciplined bidding processes have resulted in higher margin projects in Dallas and Houston. The low margin projects in Central Texas will roll off in the next few months. Based on our current backlog and new opportunities under bid, we expect this trend to continue, especially with our new leader of the concrete segment. Ardell Allred has already made important contributions in just a few short months, and we anticipate his leadership will have greater impact the longer he settles into his role.

Ardell is focused on improving performance and profitability through continuing to right-size the equipment fleet, streamlining the management structure, winning higher margin work, improving field productivity, building synergies with the marine business, and diversifying the concrete business into public sector projects. The second part of our plan is to strengthen business development to drive growth. We are in the process of recruiting senior-level talent to build out our growth team. We have hired a business development leader for our efforts in Louisiana, which is an important state for us due to market opportunities there. We are also in the process of hiring an executive to lead corporate growth and strategy, reporting directly to me.

The candidates we are interviewing are very enthusiastic about Orion's capabilities and reputation and the positive industry dynamics ahead, including the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill, the coastal investments in Louisiana and the Gulf, port expansions and maintenance as a result of the Panama Canal expansion, and strong construction demand in both the private and public sector of the growing Texas market. Our recent win in Hawaii is a game changer in so many ways. I'd like to take a minute to expand on this joint venture to build a dry dock at Pearl Harbor. We're very pleased with the terms of our contract and our ability to proactively mitigate downside risk. We have strong local partners, good contract terms, and our material prices are locked in and are FOB Hawaii.

These measures, among others, provide confidence that we can deliver on this large and important project profitably. This win also strengthens our team's credibility and reputation in the marketplace and will open the door to future opportunities working with the U.S. Navy in the Pacific Theater. Our work at Pearl Harbor will be underway by late this summer and encompasses the early stages of construction. We expect the nearly $450 million in revenue to be recognized over the first 2 and a half years as we finish our portion of the project. On the concrete side of the business, we've been pursuing larger, more complex, and more profitable projects. Some may be under the impression that we simply pour concrete for sidewalks and driveways. In fact, the type of work we do is complex and requires an extensive amount of expertise.

I'd like to share some details of a recent milestone on a 43-story tower project in Houston. We placed 3 million pounds of rebar in a few days and then poured 10,000 cubic yards of concrete, which is 1,000 truckloads, with 9,000 man-hours of work in less than 24 hours to complete a mat foundation. It was an incredible planning and execution effort by our team. Our ability to deliver outstanding infrastructure concrete services is the main reason we have 90% repeat business rate. Our partners have absolute confidence in the strength and reliability of our team to deliver. The third prong of our strategy is making the right investments and having the resources to realize our full potential. The big news is that we have reached final agreement on terms with a new credit facility.

Scott will discuss further, this is a key component in strengthening our financial flexibility. Another headline is that we executed a contract for the sale of our East and West Jones properties on the Houston Shipping Channel on April 26th. The purchase price is $36 million, we anticipate closing in the third quarter. Scott will also give more color around our plan to monetize non-core property assets. With these funding sources, we have dry powder to make investments in the business to drive future growth and make fleet improvements. For example, investing in more efficient and lower emissions power plants in our dredging fleet will expand our opportunities and our margins, as well as support Orion's and our customers' commitment to the environment and lower carbon emissions. With the completion of our projects in Central Texas this year, we are disposing of some underutilized equipment.

Also, most equipment that we use in our concrete business can be easily leased or rented rather than purchased, and we will be taking this capital-light approach going forward. We've continued to remove the silos between divisions that has inhibited our talented people from sharing skill sets, relationships, and ideas. There is tremendous power in collaboration of an integrated team, and it has really energized our entire organization. I'm very proud that for the first time in our company's history, we brought all three divisions of our company together, our engineering group, our marine division, and our concrete division, to jointly pursue a major project. Right now, we don't know if we've won the project, but it demonstrates our new culture of eliminating historical silos and moving forward as an integrated company.

Finally, the most important resource is our people, and I believe we have the best talent in the industry. Guided by our core values of safety, quality, delivery, and teamwork, all based on integrity, our experienced professionals bring an unmatched depth of industry knowledge and exceptional service to every project that we undertake. Morale is high, and our people are more enthusiastic than ever to deliver exceptional results to customers and stakeholders alike. I will now turn it over to Scott to discuss the first quarter financials.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Thanks, Travis. As Travis just addressed, we're not satisfied with our first quarter results. We expect to deliver substantially stronger financial results throughout the rest of the year as we complete our exit of Central Texas jobs, as we realize the benefits of our margin improvement efforts, and as we begin to ramp up our work in Hawaii and on other recently won projects. Our confidence is rooted in the meaningful progress we are making executing our three-point strategic plan to improve financial performance. I'll cover some highlights and then review the first quarter results. The first piece of important news is we are very near the successful completion of our ABL credit facility. As Travis mentioned, we've reached final agreement on terms and signature pages are in escrow while we work to complete the final loan documentation.

The close of this facility will provide us with a term loan of $38 million and a revolving credit facility up to $65 million. We expect to have further news to report on this in the near future. Second, as you know, we've been in discussions for several quarters to monetize our real estate assets, including sale-leaseback transactions or sales of our non-core real estate assets. In April, we signed a $36 million sales contract for our East West Jones property, which is 341 acres adjacent to the Houston Shipping Channel that we formerly used as a dredge placement area. We expect to close this transaction in the third quarter, and we will use the proceeds to reduce debt and for general corporate purposes.

Furthermore, we have two properties, our Baytown Pipe Yard and Port Lavaca South Yard, under letters of intent for sale-leaseback. We are pleased with the progress on our real estate monetization initiative and look forward to redeploying this capital in ways that can drive cash flow and shareholder returns. Third, in addition to the key senior hires Travis mentioned, we also recruited a director of operational excellence to develop our people and processes. We view this senior and new position as key to increasing project profitability and delivering improved financial performance on a consistent basis. Moving on to our financial results. Once again, we believe our first quarter results are not indicative of what we can deliver for the full year.

In the first quarter, revenue decreased 9% to $159.2 million from $174.9 million last year, largely due to our exit of the Central Texas construction market, as well as weather and owner delays that shifted production and revenue recognition to the right. First quarter gross profit was $5.8 million or 3.7% of revenue, compared to $12.8 million or 7.3% in the prior year period. Approximately half of this decrease was due to the impact of weather in Texas, driving lower revenue and lower labor and equipment utilization. The rest of the decrease related to cleanup of problem projects, driving write-downs in our business.

This was partly offset by actions to manage costs during project delays by reallocating equipment, reducing the size of the fleet, and reducing headcount, as well as the realization of margin improvements in the concrete business as a result of our margin improvement initiatives. Turning to our segments. Our marine segment reported first quarter revenues of $79.3 million compared to $84.5 million in revenue during the first quarter last year. Adjusted EBITDA was negative $1.3 million or negative 1.6% adjusted EBITDA margin. This compares to adjusted EBITDA of $7.3 million and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 8.6% in the first quarter of last year.

This decrease in adjusted EBITDA was primarily related to lower revenue from production shifted right due to weather, as well as owner delays, which resulted in lower production compared to the prior-year quarter, which had more active projects. First quarter concrete revenue was $79.9 million, a decline from $90.5 million reported in the prior-year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was negative $2.8 million or 3.5% of revenue, compared to negative $2 million or negative 2.3% of revenue last year. Both the decline in revenue and the decline in margin are due to jobs in Central Texas. While the full quarter adjusted EBITDA declined, as Travis mentioned, the business did reach an important milestone by breaking into positive territory with its first profitable month in two years.

Given the changes we've made around disciplined bidding and higher value quality projects, we expect this trend to continue. SG&A expenses for the first quarter were $17 million or 10.8% of revenues, compared to $16.2 or 9.1% of revenues in the prior year period. SG&A grew slightly due to increased compensation expense, partially offset by lower consulting expense related to the management transition. Net loss for the quarter was $12.6 million or a loss of $0.39 per diluted share, compared to a net loss of $4.9 million or a loss of $0.16 per diluted share in the quarter a year ago. This included $2.3 million of non-recurring items. First quarter 2023 adjusted net loss was $10.3 million or $0.32 diluted loss per share.

Adjusted EBITDA was negative $4.1 million compared to adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter of 2022 of $5.2 million. Turning to bidding metrics. In the first quarter, we bid on approximately $1.4 billion worth of opportunities and won $178 million. This resulted in a win rate of 12.5% and a book-to-bill ratio of 1.12 times for the quarter. As of March 31, 2023, our backlog was $467.4 million, up from $448.8 million on December 31. Breaking out our first quarter backlog, $187 million was in our marine segment and $280.4 million was in our Concrete segment.

Approximately $382.6 million of this backlog will burn during the year, with the remainder associated with longer-term projects extending into 2024 and beyond. We've been awarded over $624 million for new project work not included in our backlog at the end of the first quarter. Of this, approximately $522 million is related to the marine segment, including our $450 million contract with the U.S. Navy as part of a joint venture, while $102 million is related to the concrete segment. We expect to execute approximately a quarter of these awarded jobs in 2023. Moving on to the balance sheet. As of March 31st, we had approximately $2.8 million of cash and $41 million of outstanding debt.

We remain focused on optimizing our capital and disposing of underutilized and non-core assets. As we free up capital with asset dispositions and drive operating performance, we are confident that we will increase our cash flow and realize improved returns on capital. As we have said before, we are not providing guidance during this transitional year. We do expect substantially improved results throughout the year as we realize the benefits of our action plans. Our first goal is to return to margin levels that Orion achieved before the business disruptions of the past few years. With our more selective targeting of projects, higher bidding margins and operational improvements, we expect to make steady progress quarter after quarter. Once we've restored the business to its historical margins, our second goal is to do much better, continuously improving delivered margins by managing our business more efficiently and productively.

When the business is operating well, we believe that the concrete segment should be generating EBITDA margins in the high single digits, and the marine segment should deliver low double-digit EBITDA margins. With that, I'll turn the call back to Travis.

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Thanks, Scott. While we had disappointing results this quarter, we remain optimistic about the year and about the future of Orion. The actions we are taking to make our business healthy are working and will drive long-term stockholder value. I want to recognize the tremendous contribution and dedication that our employees have shown as we continue this journey together to re-energize and transform our company. We know there is still hard work ahead, but we are fully committed to realizing Orion's full potential and are very excited about our future. We are grateful for the support of our shareholders and look forward to sharing our progress as it unfolds. Operator, we're ready to open the line for questions.

Operator

The floor is now open for your questions. To ask a question at this time, please press star one on your telephone keypad. If at any point you'd like to withdraw from the queue, please press star one again. You'll be provided the opportunity to ask one question and one further follow-up question. We'll now take a moment to compile our roster. Our first question comes from the line of Julio Romero from Sidoti. Your line is open.

Julio Romero
Equity Research Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Thank you. Hey, good morning, Travis and Scott. maybe to start on.

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Good morning, Julio.

Julio Romero
Equity Research Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Hey, good morning. Maybe to start on the marine side. I know you talked about weather and customer delays. I think last quarter you had mentioned one particular project with higher job costs. I'm just curious if that project had an impact in the first quarter and then if it did, are you complete or near completion on that one project?

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

No, yeah, the project that you're talking about, we are very near completion on that. That wasn't a significant contributor to the underperformance of the first quarter that we experienced, so. That we're getting ready to wrap that one up.

Julio Romero
Equity Research Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Okay. Thank you. That's very helpful. For my follow-up on the Concrete side, congratulations on getting that profitable in March. Was the driver of turning Concrete profitable in March just better bid cycling through the backlog or were there other drivers that you did right? If you could talk about how Concrete performed through April from a profitability standpoint. Thank you.

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Sure. Definitely the plan is coming together, if you will. Definitely part of it was on the front end with the bidding side of it, and then the other part of it is better execution and better management of the business. It's kind of several parts that are coming together. I don't think we're gonna say exactly what's what April looks like yet, but it's.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

We see continuing trends in April, and we're encouraged that business has kind of reached a place where it can start to perform the way we expect it can.

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

That's right. We're confident.

Julio Romero
Equity Research Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Great. Thanks very much.

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Thanks, Julio.

Operator

Our final question comes from the line of Joe Gomes from Noble Capital. Your line is open.

Joe Gomes
Senior Research Analyst, Noble Capital Markets

Good morning, Travis and Scott. Thanks for taking my questions.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Morning, Joe.

Joe Gomes
Senior Research Analyst, Noble Capital Markets

I just wondering if you could maybe break out a little bit, approach this a couple of ways here. You kind of call out the three things for impacts for the decline in revenue, weather, customer delays and obviously, you know, the concrete segment reductions. You know, just trying to get a better feel for, you know, what kind of impact, you know, the weather and the customer delays had on the revenues for the quarter, and, you know, would we anticipate or expect to see those coming in in the second quarter?

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Yeah. In terms of weather, I guess what we experienced kind of straddled January, February with Winter Storm Mara, affecting pretty significantly the Texas market. When you look across both businesses, it really cost us about two weeks worth of production, so a fairly significant impact to revenue. Now, you know, we always want to catch those things up and deliver within the same quarter if we can, in this particular case, we just couldn't catch up on that much of a delay. Anytime you have a weather delay, you are gonna realize that production in the future. We were, you know, essentially working to backfill as much as we can and work the hours that can really do that in any given time when we experience that.

You know, this next quarter coming in, I think that there's probably not a big uplift that you'll see spilling over from the first quarter, as it is gonna take us a little bit more time to kind of work through and pull in all of that production.

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Ideally, that wasn't out of. I mean, it was a named winter storm in Texas, right? It's an out of the norm type of impact on us. We're hopeful that the second quarter will be. I mean, so far so good with weather this quarter and hopefully for the rest of the quarter and beyond will be good, and we won't have to worry about that anymore. I recognize that weather has been a sort of a sore subject with investors and Orion, you know, we're hopeful not to have to talk about weather again.

Joe Gomes
Senior Research Analyst, Noble Capital Markets

Okay, great. Thanks for that. On the East West Jones and the other properties. On East West Jones, you're selling it for $36 million. How much of that you think, you know, comes in on an after-tax basis that you're able to apply to pay down debt and/or for corporate purposes? Can you give us any indication for the other two properties as to what, you know, ballpark figure, what they could be bringing in?

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

We are expecting that, you know, there's gonna be kind of nominal cost to close that transaction as you have in any real estate transaction. In terms of the tax bite, we have losses that enable us to shield our earnings related to that sale. I don't expect that taxes are gonna take a significant chunk of the proceeds down the road. We intend to utilize the largest portion of that proceeds really to fund the working capital investments and in-investment in equipment that we need for Hawaii. We'll also be using a good portion of that to pay down debt. On the other properties, we've been marketing those for some time, as you know.

you know, we feel very good about these transactions, have had very good meetings with these buyers who understand these properties. We'll talk more about proceeds and amounts next, you know, when we announce the close of those transactions. I would say that it's consistent with the prices that we've marketed those properties and talked about them in the past.

Joe Gomes
Senior Research Analyst, Noble Capital Markets

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Again, as a reminder, the floor is now open for your questions. To ask a question at this time, please press the star one on your telephone keypad. We do have a question from the line of Dave Storms from Stonegate Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Good morning. This is John stepping in for Dave.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Hi, John.

Speaker 9

Hi. What are you seeing in the market, bid volume-wise? What are your expectations for the volumes? How are you seeing them changing for the remainder of 2023 and going into 2024?

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

It kind of varies by different portions of our business, John. We've got on the concrete side, we've seen a steady volume of bidding on the concrete side that's been good. We're hearing indications that it may slow down a little later in the year, so far so good on the concrete side. On the marine side, dredging is definitely slow right now on the bidding front with the Corps of Engineers in the Gulf. That's definitely something that we're keeping an eye on and concerned about, quite frankly. Kind of marine construction. There's been a decent steady flow of marine construction bids.

Wouldn't say it's a plethora of bids, but we've been, it's been a steady flow. We've got some good outstanding bids that we're hoping to hear positive news on in the, in the near future. It's, it's with the exception of, I would say, our dredging business, it's been a, it's been a decent flow of bids.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

You know, what we haven't seen probably yet is a large number of projects that are coming out of the latest, federal funding mandates. You know, that takes some time to work its way down to the actual, you know, state and local authorities that are gonna be spending that money. We do still see that as a pretty significant uplift of the entire market a little bit further down the road.

Noah
Company Representative, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Thank you. That's very helpful. I guess, as you mentioned, concrete was challenged by weather events and intentional improvements. Are you seeing any green shoots from the implemented improvements? What are your expectations on the length and depth of a J curve, you know, as that segment improves?

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

We are definitely seeing improvements in just about every aspect of our operations on the concrete business. You know, lower issues on projects, fewer write downs, better execution. Then in terms of our bidding practices, we've seen through latest market bids, opportunities with existing customers, repeat customers, who we've done highly complex and successful projects with. We're seeing opportunities to get the kind of margins that we think that our business is entitled to based on our capabilities and our ability to deliver for our customers. See a lot of really good positive trends. Ardell has done a great job really kind of shaking things up and doing things differently and is getting a great deal of support from the team in the concrete segment.

I think that the entire business is excited about where it's headed, and we think that, there's a lot of room for improvement still.

Noah
Company Representative, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Awesome. Really appreciate it.

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Thanks, Noah.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

You bet.

Operator

Okay. Our final question comes from the line of Poe Fratt from AGP. Your line is open.

Poe Fratt
Managing Director and Senior Transportation Analyst, A.G.P./Alliance Global Partners

Yeah. Good morning, Travis. Good morning, Scott. It's Alliance Global Partners. Can we talk about... Nobody's asked about the credit facility. Can you, since the terms have been, you know, it sounds like finalized, just subject to documentation, give us a little better idea of some of the terms? You know, how long is the term loan, you know, the availability under the revolver? You know, is there a set, you know, tenor to that too? Also, if you could sort of give us an idea of sort of where your interest rate margin is gonna come in on it and whether there might be any equity sweeteners on the arrangement with the private lender.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Sure. I'll answer what I can. Obviously, those are, you know, discussions that we're wrapping up right now. We expect to come back to you guys with more information on that when it's all finalized. It's a 3-year tenor on the term loan and the revolver. In terms of the rates we have on the revolver rates fairly consistent with our previous debt. On the term loan rates that are pretty consistent with what you're seeing for ABL loans of this type in the market right now. As you know, we went to market and ran a competitive process. We feel good that what we're achieving with this debt is gonna be consistent with other market positions right now.

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Which, by the way, the market is not great.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

It's not great right now.

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

for getting a loan, but it is, it is what it is.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

You know, a lot of flexibility in our operations with capacity in the revolver. You know, we're expecting like a typical ABL revolver with a borrowing base that undergirds your borrowing capacity. Over time, the amount of capacity we have changes, and we expect that to grow as the business grows.

Poe Fratt
Managing Director and Senior Transportation Analyst, A.G.P./Alliance Global Partners

Great. Thank you. If you look at your awards subsequent to the end of the quarter, I think in the press release you talked about $624 million. You know, the Navy contract is, what, $450 roughly of that. What are the other components of that sort of delta of $175?

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

There's both marine and concrete wins, and of varying sizes, kind of throughout the business that are make up that delta there, Po. I wouldn't say there's one, you know, mega project in there. It's a variety of projects throughout the business.

Poe Fratt
Managing Director and Senior Transportation Analyst, A.G.P./Alliance Global Partners

I think I heard Scott say that a quarter of that 624 would be realized in or burned off in 2023. Was that correct? If so.

Travis Boone
CEO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

That's right.

Poe Fratt
Managing Director and Senior Transportation Analyst, A.G.P./Alliance Global Partners

Can you talk about the burn rate for the remainder? You know, it sounds like it would be, you know, maybe 50% and then in 2024 and then 25% in 2025. Is that a fair estimate?

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

I'd say that's a reasonable expectation.

Poe Fratt
Managing Director and Senior Transportation Analyst, A.G.P./Alliance Global Partners

Yeah.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Po, I didn't answer one part of your question earlier. There's no equity component to the debt.

Poe Fratt
Managing Director and Senior Transportation Analyst, A.G.P./Alliance Global Partners

Okay, great. Along that line, you highlighted, you know, long-term margins target for Marine of low, low double digit, I think. Just to clarify, is that on a gross margin basis or an EBITDA basis? If you could talk about whether the Navy contract, you know, meets that long-term goal.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

That's on the EBITDA front, so those are kind of quoted margins on the bottom of the P&L. The Navy contract is, you know, a massive contract and I would say that we definitely achieved our margin goals with that contract. At, you know, given its size as you might expect, it's not gonna be the highest contract, or the highest margin contract that we have. We're very pleased with where it was bid, and we think that, when executed, we'll be able to deliver a really nice result for ourselves and for shareholders.

Poe Fratt
Managing Director and Senior Transportation Analyst, A.G.P./Alliance Global Partners

Great. Congratulations. You guys have been really busy, so covered a lot of ground. Thanks.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Yes, we have. Thanks, Po.

Operator

As a reminder, the floor is now open for your questions. To ask a question at this time, please press star one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to turn the call over to Travis Boone for closing remarks.

Scott Thanisch
EVP and CFO, Orion Group Holdings, Inc.

Thank you. Thank you all for joining the call today. We enjoyed our time with you, and looking forward to continuing to have good news for you in the coming quarters.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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