Welcome to the Phillips Edison & Company second quarter 2022 results presentation. My name is Tanya. I will be your conference call operator today. Before we begin, I would like to remind our listeners that today's presentation is being recorded and simultaneously webcast. The company's earnings release, quarterly financial supplement, and 10-Q were issued yesterday, August 4, after market close. These documents and a replay of today's call can be accessed in the investors section of the Phillips Edison & Company's website at phillipsedison.com. I would now like to turn the call over to Kimberly Green, Vice President of Investor Relations with Phillips Edison & Company. Please proceed.
Thank you everyone for joining us today. I'm joined on this call by our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Jeff Edison, our President, Devin Murphy, and our Chief Financial Officer, John Caulfield. During today's call, Jeff will highlight our strong second quarter performance, Devin will discuss our excellent operational results, and John will review our financial results, our recent capital markets activities, and our increased guidance. Following our prepared remarks, we'll take questions. Before we begin, I'd like to remind our audience that statements made during today's call may be considered forward-looking, which are subject to various risks and uncertainties as described in our SEC filings. We'll also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. Information regarding our use of these measures and reconciliations of these measures to our GAAP results are available in our earnings release and supplemental information packet, which were issued yesterday.
Participants should refer to PECO's filings to learn more about these risks and other factors and for more information regarding our financial and operating results. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Jeff Edison, our Chief Executive Officer. Jeff?
Thank you, Kim. Good morning, everyone, or good afternoon, everyone. Our strong second quarter results confirm that PECO's differentiated strategy of owning and operating high-quality, small format, grocery-anchored centers is driving performance. The PECO team's focused execution, combined with the strength of our national and local neighbors, are resulting in financial performance beyond our internal expectations. Occupancy ended the quarter at an all-time high of 96.8%, and we're using our position of strength to continue to drive our pricing power. Customers are closer to PECO's grocery-anchored centers throughout the entire day. That's driving retailers to our neighborhood centers to meet this increased demand. We continue to benefit from the resiliency of P ECO's grocery-anchored portfolio, with more than 70% of our rents coming from necessity-based goods and services.
We continue to see strong foot traffic to grocery-anchored centers as businesses remain a part of customers' everyday routine, whether they shop for groceries or haircuts or visit the local restaurants. Medical, beauty, fitness, and restaurants all continue to exhibit increased leasing demand. This translates to strong rent growth for PECO. While retailers continue to offer an omni-channel presence, in-person services are essential. Given these dynamics, we expect to continue to see strong tenant demand and strong rent spreads. Higher costs and inflation headwinds are limiting new supply of grocery-anchored centers as the barriers for new construction are higher than they've ever been. We expect these trends will continue to positively impact existing shopping centers. There will be fewer new builds coming online, and existing neighbors will be unlikely to relocate because of these costs and high occupancy levels.
While we're not currently seeing a slowdown in the strong demand for space at our grocery-anchored centers, we remain cautiously optimistic in our actions and continue to incorporate macroeconomic realities into our decision-making. We remain focused on managing our neighbor mix and credit quality as we prepare for market disruptions. One place we are starting to see some movement is in the transactions market. As such, we're updating our acquisitions guidance for the year, and John will provide more detail. PECO is reassessing acquisitions based on our evolving cost of capital. As interest costs and inflation headwinds impact the transaction market, we'll remain cautious in our capital allocation decisions, including the timing and volume of acquisitions, to ensure that we're acquiring assets that are accretive to our financial results and meet our return expectations.
We're excited to add Centennial Lakes, a Whole Foods anchored center, to our portfolio during the quarter. Centennial Lakes Plaza is located in Minneapolis, Minnesota, at the entrance to a 24-acre city park space that drives additional foot traffic to the grocery anchored center beyond the strong traffic generated by our neighbors. We believe the lease up potential and below market rents in place at this center provide great opportunities for NOI growth. We think movement in the transaction market will create opportunities for PECO. Our national footprint, experience, and reputation give us a unique advantage to be opportunistic. We expect our unlevered IRR for future acquisitions to be in the range of 8.5%-9%+ in this environment. Our goal is to ensure we achieve these unlevered returns and that all acquisitions are accretive to our earnings.
We will continue to evaluate opportunities with the same diligence we've always exercised. Although we are cautious about the transaction market, and particularly the timing of transactions, we remain optimistic about how our grocery-anchored portfolio will perform, and we're able to raise our guidance for Same-Center NOI and Core FFO per share growth given the strong operating results that the PECO team has delivered to date. Now I will turn the call over to Devin, who will speak in more detail about our strong operating results for the quarter. Devin?
Thank you, Jeff, and hello everyone. Thank you for joining our call. I will now review our operational and leasing highlights for the quarter and year to date. At the end of the second quarter, lease portfolio occupancy totaled 96.8% compared to 94.7% at June 30, 2021, up 210 basis points, reaching a historically high level. Anchor lease occupancy increased 190 basis points from a year ago to 98.7%, and in-line lease occupancy increased by 260 basis points over last year to 93.2%. We're excited about the record occupancy that we've achieved, and as you can see, these occupancy levels are driving immediate measurable growth in our financial results.
Our high occupancy levels are continuing to give us p ricing power and allow us to grow rents at attractive rates. We believe that given the current operating environment, we can increase in-line occupancy to 95% and total occupancy to between 97% and 98%. During the second quarter, we executed 105 new leases and 160 renewal leases and options totaling 1.6 million sq ft of space. We continue to see robust demand from retailers. Comparable new lease spreads were 39% and comparable renewal rent spreads were 14.4%. Our total combined rent spread for the quarter, including new, renewal, and options, was 10.7%. This quarter, we're excited to bring to our centers national neighbors including AutoZone, Dollar Tree, Five Below, Nekter Juice Bar, TJ Maxx, and Wingstop.
We also signed deals with many savvy small business operators who can drive traffic to our centers through their unique offerings and operational excellence. Taco Pros is one such operator. This fast casual Mexican street food concept started in business in 2019 and continues to expand. They currently have four open locations in the Chicagoland area and will be opening their fifth location in our Oak Mill Station center. Effectively using social media campaigns and collaborations with up-and-coming brands, Taco Pros is focused on attracting customers with their unique international foods and healthier lifestyle options, including protein bowls and vegetarian alternatives. Building on the craft coffee trend, another one of our local tenants, SR Coffee, started out as a mobile coffee truck, opened their first brick-and-mortar location last year, and signed a lease to open their second location in our neighborhood center in Ashburn, Virginia, this quarter.
An omni-channel operator, SR's Ashburn location will provide a newly built full coffee bar featuring its signature blend coffee that's steeped in spring water for 22 hours and dine-in space for their locally sourced breakfast and lunch options. Successful local operators prosper in our neighborhood centers, and the proof can be found in our strong retention rates. During the second quarter, we had a retention rate of 92.1%. Record occupancy, strong leasing spreads, high retention rates, and an optimal merchandise mix of successful neighbors operating in our grocery-anchored centers all point toward a portfolio that is well-positioned to deliver solid operational results in all economic environments. I will now discuss our development and redevelopment activity. Our development and redevelopment activities continue to be strong as we develop and expand our pipeline of ground-up and repositioning projects.
We currently have 23 ground up and redevelopment projects under active construction. Of these, 19 are being developed on land we already own, and four are being developed on adjacent land that we acquired. Our total investment in these 23 projects is estimated to be $60 million with an average estimated yield between 10%-12%. Six of these projects were stabilized during the quarter, and we delivered over 45,000 sq ft of new space to our neighbors. We continue to look hard for new capital projects where we can achieve the attractive risk-adjusted returns that we require. I will now turn the call over to John.
Thank you, Devin, and good morning and good afternoon, everyone. Second quarter of 2022, Nareit FFO increased 18.8% to $71.1 million or $0.55 per diluted share. This result benefited from an increase in rental income, reduced interest expense, and the realization of the promote incentive in our Necessity Retail Partners joint venture. Our second quarter Core FFO increased 11.8% to $71.8 million, driven by increased revenue at our properties from higher occupancy levels and strong leasing spreads, as well as lower interest expense from our reduced leverage. On a per share basis, Core FFO decreased to $0.56 per diluted share as a result of the incremental shares we issued in our July 2021 underwritten IPO.
Our second quarter same-center NOI increased to $89.7 million, up 4.3% from a year ago. This improvement was primarily driven by higher occupancy and a 2.8% increase in average base rent per square foot, which was partially offset by lower collectibility reserve reversals in the current period when compared to 2021. Turning to the balance sheet. Our leverage ratio continues to be one of the strongest in the sector as a result of our continued earnings growth as well as our prudent balance sheet management, with our net debt to adjusted EBITDAR of 5.5 x as of June 30th, compared to 5.6 x at December 31st, 2021.
At June 30, 2022, our debt had a weighted average interest rate of 3.2% and a weighted average maturity of 4.9 years. Approximately 87% of our debt was fixed rate. At the end of the period, we had approximately $784.4 million of total liquidity, including $741 million of borrowing capacity available on our $800 million credit facility. We have no significant debt maturities until 2024. Between the free cash flow generated by our portfolio and the significant capacity available on our revolver, we can be strategic in our timing when accessing the debt market. This is a nice place to be given the current capital market environment.
In the second quarter, we utilized our ATM facility for the first time and have raised a total of $90.1 million in gross proceeds. Our weighted average share price was $34.23. With the macro market concerns around recession, inflation, and rising interest rates, we believe the importance of a fortress balance sheet has increased. This equity returns us to our IPO leverage, which gives us meaningful capacity and flexibility to pursue accretive acquisitions as they arise in the market and extend our acquisition runway beyond 2024. We still have a target leverage level of low- to mid-6x net debt to EBITDAR, but this increases our capacity and flexibility. In addition, the board recently authorized and approved a new $250 million share repurchase program.
The board and management team view this program as an important addition to our capital allocation decision-making process as we evaluate opportunities in the future. It's another tool in our toolbox, if you will. Turning to guidance, as Jeff mentioned, we're updating our net acquisition guidance to a range of $200 million-$300 million for 2022. This reflects our current assessment of the transaction market. We continue to see assets that would allow us to meet and exceed our original targets for the year. With market volatility and uncertainty ahead, we don't want to force an acquisition plan to hit a number, particularly if patience could lead to even better opportunities in the future. Acquisitions are a critical part of our long-term growth strategy and will continue to participate in the market, but are exercising caution in the current environment.
Our strong internal growth allows us to raise our Nareit FFO and Core FFO per share guidance. Our new range for Core FFO per share increased to $2.19-$2.25. Additionally, we're increasing our same-center NOI guidance to a range of 3.75%-4.5%. These changes are a result of the continued strong demand for space in our grocery-anchored centers, the great leasing spreads generated by our renewals team, as well as the health of our national and local neighbors, which are driving our high retention rates. With that, I would like to turn the call back over to Jeff to offer some additional remarks. Jeff?
Thanks, John. Now, before we take your questions, I'd like to quickly recap our quarter. Our second quarter results highlight the strength of PECO's differentiated strategy of owning and operating small format neighborhood centers anchored by the number one or two grocer in a market. This drives high recurring foot traffic and neighbor demand and results in strong financial and operating performance. Our neighbors are thriving in our grocery anchored centers, as evidenced by our strong retention rates and renewal spreads meaningfully above historical levels. Demand for space in grocery anchored centers remains solid, and PECO's leasing team continues to convert this demand into new leases with record occupancy at the end of the quarter. PECO is a growth company positioned to gain share as we identify and buy grocery anchored shopping centers from a target market of 5,800 identified grocery anchored shopping centers across the United States.
Overall, we're in a great position to successfully execute our growth strategy. Having operated through multiple cycles in the past 30 years. Our experienced cycle-tested team and integrated operating platform have performed well in the first half of 2022. With a fortress balance sheet and liquidity, we are prepared for changes or opportunities as they arise. With that, we'll begin the Q&A portion of our call. Operator?
Certainly. To maintain an efficient Q&A session, you may ask a question with an additional follow-up. If you have an additional question, you're more than welc ome to rejoin the queue. To ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone. Our first question will come from Craig Schmidt of Bank of America. Your line is open.
Anyway, my question is on the goal for occupancy. It seems really high. I mean, wouldn't structural vacancy inhibit you by getting as high as 98%, or are you seeing it otherwise?
Craig, this is Jeff. Thanks for being on and your question. You know, I think probably two years ago we would have said, yeah, that's a really high number. When we look at our leasing backlog and the strength of our sort of backlog going into this quarter, you know, we think we've got you know, the ability to grow, particularly the small store space occupancy, you know, 100 to 200 basis points above where it is today. I mean, we're gonna keep monitoring the environment, but in the current environment we're in, we believe we've got upside from where we are today. I don't know, Devin, if you have any other additions to that.
No, Jeff. I agree.
Great. The barriers for the construction of new shopping centers with grocers, how long do you think that might last?
Can I get my crystal ball out now and try and make a prediction? In our conversations with the grocers, you know, there are select markets where you will see some development, but it is really limited when you compare it to the overall footprint of the grocery centers that are out there. I would say certainly, you know, you gotta go retailer by retailer and market by market. On an across-the-country, which obviously we have the advantage of, you know, having a nationwide footprint, you're gonna find most of the markets, there's very little new grocery-anchored centers being built.
I don't see that changing for the foreseeable future. You know, you'll get select moves, but in terms of any kind of percentage, it's gonna be small. When the retailers are looking to expand, they have a limited amount of centers they can go to, and that is one of the things that's given us our pricing power. As to your first question, it's one of the things that's allowed us to get to occupancy numbers that are, you know, sort of as good as they've been.
Great. Thank you.
Thanks, Craig.
One moment. Our next question will come from Hongliang Zhang of JP Morgan. Your line is open.
Yeah. Hi. You've managed to keep a pretty tight spread between leased and physical occupancy historically. I guess just looking forward as you continue to grow leased occupancy, do you expect to keep the spread between the two less than 100 basis points?
Well, thanks, for your question. John, do you wanna take that one?
Sure. Hey. Hi, Hong. How you doing? Yes, that has been our historical level of being at about 60 basis points, and we think that we can continue that. I think the advantage for us it comes back to the size of our centers and our anchor occupancy as high as it is. Most of it is, you know, when you get to that 60 basis points is gonna be in line. When you look at the average space that's outside the grocer at 2,300 sq ft, it allows us to get them in and paying rent very quickly. We have incentives in place for the operating team. The operations team know that every day is a day of lost rent, so they're working, you know, actively to move them in.
It's also an advantage of our local neighbors because they also move in, and we get them paying very quickly, even at times a step or two faster than the nationals. We feel very good about that and really focus on both driving the total lease but then also driving the rent-paying occupancy.
Got it. Thank you. Great quarter.
Thank you. It was a good quarter, but you know that spread that you're talking about and the consistency of it over time is one of the just the financial things that explains the difference in our strategy between a big box sort of concept where the leasing takes so much longer to get from lease to operate open versus our smaller format centers.
Yeah. Thanks.
Yeah. Thanks.
Our next question will come from Haendel St. Juste of Mizuho. Your line is open.
Hi, good morning. This is Ravi Vaidya on the line for Haendel St. Juste . Hope you guys are doing well. Your variable debt exposure right now after accounting for the swap is about 13%. Is this the level that you're comfortable at, or you're trying to reduce exposure with additional swaps? What is your target variable debt rate exposure?
John, you wanna take that one?
Sure. Hey, Ravi. Yes, we are at 87% fixed right now, and we do utilize swaps on our term loans. From our perspective, an advantage of only being 5.5x debt to EBITDA and having a laddered maturity schedule is the ability to allow a greater percentage to float at 13%. We are, you know, constantly evaluating what the rate market is, but believe that, you know, at this time, we are watching, and we're being very patient. Thankfully, you know, we have expanded our revolver to $800 million in the quarter that gives us timing in terms of accessing financing in itself, but from a rate perspective, we're watching and, you know, at this point are very comfortable with the 13%.
We'll be opportunistic on rates, whether it be through issuing in the unsecured bond market or swapping from a term loan perspective as we go forward. Yes, we are comfortable with the 87% at this time.
Got it. Thanks. That's helpful. Just one more. Your leasing spreads are really strong this quarter. Can you please comment on what sort of mark-to-market opportunities are embedded across the portfolio given the elevated leasing demand?
Sure. Dev, do you wanna take that one?
Sure. Thanks for the question. I think if you look at what our spreads have been this quarter, you note that our in-line spreads were over 14%. Our new spreads were over 39%. Our view is that if we were to mark to market that on in-line, there would probably be a 15%-20% in-line increase if we were to do that. There are a number of things that are driving our pricing power. This is all being driven by our pricing power. Our pricing power is evidenced by the fact that we are enjoying increased occupancy. Our occupancy has increased over 200 basis points. We're enjoying higher retention rates. Our retention rates have increased over 600 basis points.
Our lease spreads continue to increase, and we're continuing to get attractive contractual rent bumps. All of this pricing power is being driven by the fact that, as Jeff Edison articulated earlier, there's very limited supply being delivered in our sector, and there's a simple fundamental reason for that, which is that construction costs are at a level where rents would need to rise dramatically 40%-50% from where they are on average in order to get an attractive return on development. Limited supply, and then demand is being driven by the macro trends that we've been talking about now for a number of quarters, which is suburbanization, work from home, migration to the Sun Belt, et cetera, that we benefit from. It's a function of all these factors that we believe lead to pretty attractive mark-to-market opportunities in our portfolio.
Thank you. Appreciate the color.
One moment. Our next question will come from Floris van Dijkum of Compass Point. Your line is open.
Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. I guess I have two questions. Number one, sort of, you know, getting back to the signed not open spread of 60 basis points. Obviously, that's, you know, significantly less than some of your sector peers, which indicates that, you know, a lot of your earnings growth presumably is gonna come from your lease spreads. Obviously, you've averaged some very attractive lease spreads, but you have about, you know, call it 10%-15% of your leases come due each year. You're looking at, you know, call it 10%-15% spreads on this nice growth.
Are you also doing other things to boost your same-store underlying growth in terms of increasing your fixed rent bumps? Maybe if you can give a little bit of color on that and how those negotiations are going. Then touch upon the redevelopments, because your redevelopment pipeline, maybe that's the other way, an avenue inside your portfolio where you can increase your returns on the development are pretty attractive. How much more can you ramp up that pipeline?
Yeah. Floris, I'll turn it over to you in one sec. Our belief has always been that being able to go from lease occupancy to economic occupancy in a shorter period of time is a huge benefit. You know, that's really what the 60 basis points I think that you're talking about is showing, is that we, you know, not only are we talking about it, we're actually getting leases signed and getting rents paid in a much shorter period of time than most of our peers. That does give us a huge benefit in terms of, you know, as we lease this space, it's gonna hit our results much more quickly than if you had a much bigger spread there. That's sort of how we view it. Dev, I don't know if you wanna cover anything else on the leasing side or the redevelopment.
Sure. Thanks, Jeff, and hi, Floris. Thanks for the question. I mean, Floris, our historical spread has been circa 60 basis points, which is where it is currently. Our portfolio has a number of characteristics that allow us to enjoy this attractive metric relative to our peers. Number one, our level of retention at above 90% clearly is a factor. Number two, our average tenant size is another factor because we're able to get the tenant into the space faster. Like, if you look at the average amount of time that it takes us to get a small shop tenant in the space, it's 5.7 months.
We're doing things currently that are allowing us to maintain this metric, which is we're now pre-ordering certain types of components like HVAC equipment, because some of the delay in getting tenants into the space is being created by the supply chain. We're trying to mitigate that supply chain issue by pre-ordering it and having it available. We believe that we will be able to maintain this metric over time. As Jeff indicated, you know, it allows us to get the tenant paying the rent a lot faster, which obviously everyone benefits from. Your second question, Floris, I think turned to our redevelopment pipeline. Is that correct?
Yeah. Actually, Devin, maybe I wanted to maybe delve into the, you know, your occupancy is, you know, probably among the highest in the sector. Your rent spreads are very attractive, and you've got, you know, again, you're indicating you've got continued strong demands. Are you able to tweak your lease terms to get higher fixed rent bumps or other things that make, you know, that you can get in your lease terms that make it more attractive for yourselves?
Got it. Yes, if you look at what our CAGRs have been, over time, like if you look at our renewal CAGR, Floris, if you look at what it was in the second quarter of 2021, it was 2.2%. This quarter it was 2.64%. We are increasing our CAGRs, as well as getting, you know, these attractive spreads. You know, we are pushing hard to getting our CAGRs, as well as getting, you know, these attractive spreads. You know, we are pushing hard to get as much rent growth as we possibly can. As we discussed on the call, there are so many factors that are giving us this increased pricing power, you know, that we intend to continue to take advantage of. If you look at the, you know, the metrics, you can see that we're able to, A, get wider spreads, and B, get higher CAGRs.
Great. Yeah, and then maybe on the redevelopment, do you have opportunity or scope to increase that? 'Cause the returns appear pretty attractive.
The returns are very attractive, and we've been able to maintain those attractive rates of return. We would like to do as much of this as we possibly can do, and we're actively looking for those opportunities. As we indicated, there is approximately $60 million of this currently in the pipeline. As you know, we're doing it on land we currently own, but we're also acquiring land that's adjacent to our centers to do it on. We believe that we can do circa $50 million of this a year. Our current pipeline is slightly higher than what we've guided to on a go-forward basis, and we're gonna work as hard as we can to find as many of those opportunities as we can because those returns, as you know, are highly attractive.
Thanks, Devin.
Thank you. Moving forward. Our next question comes from Tayo Okusanya of Credit Suisse. Your line's open.
Yes, good afternoon. Congrats on a strong quarter. My question has to do with the stock repurchase program. I mean, the stock is up 15% over the past 12 months. It's, you know, basically flat year to date. It's only down maybe, you know, 3% the past three months. I'm just kind of curious why the decision was made to have a program in place and when you may actually buy back stock under what circumstances.
Yeah, it's a great question. As John talked about in his prepared remarks, I mean, this is just adding a tool to the toolbox. We have no intention of, at the current moment, of using it. You know, markets change, and you know, we wanna have that tool if at some point in time that became a, you know, a smart use of capital. You know, it's being put in that guise, not in terms of any kind of short-term use of it. We do wanna be able to use that if the opportunity came up.
Gotcha.
Tayo, I think, I mean, from our perspective, as we had indicated as well, like we think that there are gonna be acquisition opportunities, and that's where we're focused, is really using our capital for external growth and driving the business that way. As we, you know, as we said, this is something that our peers have in place, and should the, you know, market, you know, get, you know, out of line, then that's something we'd look at. Right now, we're very focused on pursuing that external growth strategy.
Great. That clarification is very helpful. Again, the cautious optimism about the future, I kind of totally get it because of the uncertainty out there. Could you just talk a little bit about, again, within your portfolio or generally, you know, when you kind of think about inflection points, if there are any kind of retail categories that maybe you are starting to see soften up within your portfolio, even if they're a particular market, kind of irrespective of just how strong your results were in the quarter?
Yeah, you know, our boots on the ground feedback from our agents and you know, you look at the backlog of leases we have, you look at our retention rates. We just are not seeing anything right now. We are not finding any categories that would, like, be sort of a canary in the coal mine that would say, this is, you know, gonna happen. We are certainly watching it and looking and, actually, you know, trying to find it. To date, we have not, you know, we're not seeing anything. I don't know, Devin, if you had any additional thoughts on that one.
Jeff, the only thing I would add, Tayo, is that when we look at our portfolio, one of the things that we think we benefit from is the fact that our tenant base is extremely diverse, and that allows us to have a positive perspective on this issue. As you know, our centers are anchored by the one or two grocer in their markets, and these grocers are doing extremely well. If you look at our top tenants, Kroger, Publix, Albertsons, you know, they're all enjoying high single-digit same-store growth, and they're maintaining their margins. Our grocers, which are our largest component of our tenant base, are all doing well, and we have no concerns there.
The diversity comes in next, where our largest non-grocer tenant is TJ Maxx, and they only represent less than 1.5% of our ABR. When you look at our small shop tenants, the largest ones all represent circa 1% of our rent. Subway is 1.1%, Starbucks is 1%, UPS is 90 basis points. We're highly diverse, which we think is a real benefit to our strategy, and there are no categories in particular that we're concerned about at this point in time.
Thank you.
One moment. I'm showing this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back to Mr. Edison for closing comments.
Well, thanks, everybody, for being on the call. On behalf of the entire management team, I'd like to express our appreciation for the continued support of our stockholders, our associates, our agents, and importantly, our neighbors. We're in great position to successfully execute our differentiated strategy of owning and operating small format neighborhood centers anchored by the one or two grocer in the market. We believe the best is yet to come for PECO. We're cautiously optimistic, as we approach a, you know, difficult, potentially difficult, environment, but feel very good about the position we're in today. Look forward to updating you again, in the near future. Again, thank you, everybody, for being on the call.
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect.