Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Perion 4th Quarter 2012 Results Conference Call. All participants are at present in listen only mode. Following management's formal presentation, instructions will be given for the question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded March 13, 2013.
With us today from Perion, we have Joseph Mandelbaum, CEO and Yaacob Kaufmann, CFO. I will now hand the call over to Deborah Margolit, Director of Investor Relations for the Safe Harbor information. Ms. Margolit, would you like to begin?
Thank you. Thank you and we appreciate the attention of everyone who is joining us today. On today's call, management will be reviewing the financial results and business highlights of the Q4 and full year of 2012. The press release detailing the results is available on the company's website at www.ferion.com. Before we begin, I'd like to read the following Safe Harbor statements.
Today's discussion will include forward looking statements. These statements reflect the company's current views with respect to future events. These forward looking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, including those discussed under the heading Risk Factors and elsewhere in the company's annual report on Form 20 F that may cause actual results, performance or achievements to be materially different from any future performances or achievements anticipated or implied by these forward looking statements. The company does not undertake to revise any forward looking statements to reflect future events or circumstances. With that, I'll turn the call over to Joseph Mendelbaum, Chief Executive Officer.
Joseph?
Thank you, Deborah, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our Q4 earnings call. 2012 was a great year for Perion. We had record organic revenue growth, increased profitability, strong cash generation, made significant progress in our mobile product efforts and we completed another successful and accretive acquisition. As we enter 2013, I am as optimistic about business as I've ever been since joining Perion.
Based on the tremendous advances so far and the opportunities I see ahead, I believe we are well on our way to achieving our long term objective of building a growing and profitable company that provides real value to its users through quality products and services. On January 8, 2013, just 62 days ago, we released our 20 13 guidance, projecting strong revenue growth and profitability. As you saw from our release earlier this morning, we are reiterating our guidance again today. Since the initial announcement, our business fundamentals including the sustainability of our business and growth prospects have not changed. Our key business relationships including the quality of our relationship with our largest search partner also have not changed.
Yet, I know that many investors have questions about the search industry in general and our recent policy changes may impact Perion. So I will try to add some color to the current situation within the confines of the confidentiality requirements of our contracts. First, some perspective. Changes in the industry are the norm. It is a very fluid and dynamic marketplace.
For example, in mid-twenty 11, there were also policy changes, one of which was a reduction of the amount of sponsored ads to the search results pages by almost 40%. And yet, our search segment experienced a tremendous year thereafter in 2012. Full year search revenues expanded 49 percent to approximately $38,100,000 4th quarter search revenues was up 136% over the same quarter in 2011, demonstrating strong growth after significant policy changes. On February 1, new policy guidelines for search distribution were implemented. We were fully aware of the scope of these changes in advance, had the opportunity to test the potential effects and took the potential impact into account when issuing our 2013 guidance.
It may take a little adjustment period, but as in the past, we are confident the same dynamics will play out this time as well. In addition, I would add that we've generally been cautious in our forecast and outperformed our projections in both 2011 2012. The changes themselves are in general noble ones and include greater transparency as well as more explicit permissions and heightened awareness for end users when downloading or uninstalling software. Perion had actually suggested some of these changes 2 years ago and we wholeheartedly support these changes now. In fact, we believe these changes will benefit the industry at large and protect its sustainability.
We also feel that these more stringent rules will be better for users and will ultimately benefit good players like Perion allowing us to potentially capture greater market share. On a broader outlook, we strongly believe that the downloadable application business is going to continue to grow both on the desktop and on other devices well into the future. It is true that as technology evolves, the way consumers access and use digital content has also evolved. Mobile devices are increasingly important as is cloud connectivity, but downloadable content remains an important component in the new multi screen world we live in. Consumers will continue to look for end apps that provide them with real value like ours.
In such an ecosystem, search is a great monetization engine and the fundamental value proposition to the consumer when done fairly and transparently is a great one. Moreover, as the number of downloadable applications for mobile platforms grows, monetization models are already developing, including premium apps for subscription and one time fees, in app purchases, advertising and even search generated revenues. Lastly, before moving to our numbers and other exciting news, let me address our search diversification strategy. With the acquisition of SuitePaks last year, we now have enough volume to start diversifying the way from dependency on one search provider and we're very pleased to announce additional search agreement with Bing, which will already contribute to our revenues in the Q1. As I said when we announced the deal, I first teamed up with Microsoft over 18 years ago and I worked with Microsoft throughout my entire career.
I am delighted to have the opportunity to collaborate with Emmett and Perion and believe this relationship will help us optimize and strengthen our overall search business and also remove a layer of risk. Having 2 nonexclusive search partners provides us the flexibility going forward. In addition, we continue to explore other opportunities for us to further diversify and strengthen our search business and we'll keep you updated as events materialize. While on the topic of search, let me briefly touch on the amendment we signed with Google and try to alleviate investor concerns in this regard. I know it is difficult being on the outside as an investor hanging on every word or lack of words from the company for insight as to what is really happening.
I am sensitive to the situation and I'm very cognizant that this is a material agreement for the company. However, given confidentiality issues, we are prohibited from disclosing details of our contracts or the negotiations. I will say the following though. This was the 4th renewal or amendment with Google since we became their partner and this particular one was done for administrative and technical reasons due to our recent acquisition of SuitePax. We found ourselves with 2 agreements ending on different dates and this amendment allows us time to make the necessary changes technically to be compliant with new policy changes, optimize the best of each company's technology into one combined platform and align the expiration of both contracts making it easier administratively.
I hope by now it has been demonstrated that these amendments or renewals are just part of the business and these processes have their own cadence. You may remember that in 2010, the company was going through a similar renewal process. And on my first earnings call as CEO, only 4 days on the job, I was asked about our search partnership with Google and I confidently answered then that I was not at all worried about the strength and endurance of that relationship and was confident our contract would be renewed and that our relationship would be strengthened. We delivered on both those fronts. We have been a Google partner for over 7 years and I say here again today, I am confident in this relationship and its endurance.
Now let me turn to our exciting financial and operating results. We delivered 65% revenue growth during 20 12 after growing 25% in 2011. And we expect to grow by at least 80% in 2013 to over $110,000,000 in revenue. That will mean that we have tripled our sales from $37,000,000 in 2011 to $110,000,000 just 2 years later, all while expanding profitability, diversifying our business and strengthening our back end systems. The Q1 of 2013 approximately 2 thirds complete is tracking nicely to our plan and we remain confident in our guidance for this year.
We intend to update our full year outlook as the year progresses as we have done in the past. During 2011, we focused on improving our team, adding industry veterans and top talent, built a completely new marketing team, started working on improving our systems, laid the groundwork for internal innovation and completed our Small Box acquisition. I'd like to note that we couldn't be more pleased with Smilebox. It has been exactly the acquisition we thought it would be, enhancing our premium revenue and providing a growing recurring revenue stream that has helped us diversify our revenue base with healthy profit margins. During 2012, we focused on execution.
This involved modifying and perfecting our customer acquisition efforts, strengthening our back end systems to make us more efficient, developing some new products and completing another accretive acquisition. The result was accelerated organic growth and positive trends in all of our revenue streams. I am happy to report that the integration of SuitePAX is going extremely well during the 1st 3 months as a combined company and we are pleased with this progress. To date, this has been exactly the scale building accretive and strategically beneficial acquisition we thought it would be. We've already moved the sweepstakes team to our offices in Tel Aviv and we are starting to benefit from the synergies of the combined organization.
Our overall diversification strategy is also yielding very good results as we more than doubled product and advertising revenues accounting for 38% of revenues in 2012, up from just 22% in 2010 when we embarked on this strategy. With the benefit of these efforts and 2 successful acquisitions behind us, we are extremely well positioned for a record 2013 and are expecting further accelerations in our growth and profitability. 2013 will be a year of new product introductions with a major push into the mobile space as we launch a series of innovations to help leverage our installed base and give us even more revenue diversification. I'll discuss some of the new product introductions we expect to launch later in the call. 1st, I'd like to turn the call over to Yaacov, who will review the financials in greater detail.
Yaacov?
Thank you, Joseph. As in prior quarters, we will be analyzing our results on a non GAAP basis, which better conveys operational state of the business. There is a detailed reconciliation to GAAP results in the financial tables of the earnings press release. As Joseph just mentioned, revenues in the Q4 were a record $21,400,000 up 90% from the Q4 of 2011. This increase was due primarily to search generated revenues increasing 136% year over year.
Search and advertising revenues in the 4th quarter benefited from 1 month of sales from our recent SweetPaks acquisition. We remain confident that search revenues will continue to grow going forward based on our existing relationships and as we continue to diversify our search partners. Product and advertising sales grew 27 percent to $6,100,000 in the Q4 this year compared to $4,800,000 in the Q4 of 2011. Gross profit in the Q4 of 2012 was $20,300,000 nearly double the $10,200,000 in the Q4 of 2011. The gross profit margin increased to 95% from 91% in the Q4 of 2011.
Total non GAAP operating expenses in the Q4 of 2012 were $15,800,000 Excluding customer acquisition costs of $9,700,000 this quarter these expenses totaled $6,100,000 The same expenses in the Q4 of 2011 were $6,000,000 increasing a mere $100,000 This demonstrates the leverage of our model and the reason we are investing in accelerating growth. In the Q4 of 2012, we invested, as I said, dollars 9,700,000 of customer acquisition costs, more than tripled the $3,100,000 invested in the Q4 of 2011. The increase in this marketing expense, together with the recent acquisition of SuitePaks are the primary factors powering our extensive growth in search generated revenues. The dramatic growth in revenues and the leverage of our expense structure enable us to more than triple adjusted EBITDA from $1,400,000 in the Q4 of 2011 to $4,900,000 in the Q4 of 2012. In the Q4 of 2012, GAAP operating expenses included $1,700,000 associated with acquisition of sweepack, dollars 300,000 of non cash share based compensation and $1,000,000 of amortization of acquired intangible assets for a total of $3,000,000 deducted from our non GAAP operating expenses.
These expenses totaled $600,000 in the Q4 of 2011. Non GAAP net income in the Q4 of 2012 more than doubled from $1,600,000 or $0.16 per share in the Q4 of 2011 to $3,600,000 or $0.32 per share in the Q4 of 2012. Turning to the results for the entire 2012, total revenues were $61,200,000 a 65% increase from $37,000,000 in 20.11. This increase was almost equally driven by a $12,600,000 or 49% increase in search generated revenues along with $11,600,000 or 101% increase in product and advertising revenues, again demonstrating one of the strengths of our business having multiple revenue streams that provide for consistent growth. As we mentioned in previous calls, the Smart Robots acquisition in the latter part of 2011 caused a difference between GAAP and non GAAP revenue.
In 2012, this difference amounted to approximately $1,000,000 As the acquisition was completed in the Q3 of 2011, in the Q4 of 2012, more than a year post acquisition, there were virtually no GAAP, non GAAP differences in revenues. Gross profit in 2012 increased 67% to $57,500,000 or 94 percent of revenues compared to $34,500,000 or 93% of revenues in 2011. The $1,000,000 difference between GAAP and non GAAP revenues was the same with regard to gross profit. Customer acquisition costs in 2012 nearly tripled reaching $22,100,000 compared to $8,000,000 in 20.11. As you know, this is a forward looking expense and as such will contribute to the revenue growth projected for 2013.
This increase also reflects a full year of Smilebox as well as 1 month of street tax. GAAP operating expenses in 2012 included $2,200,000 of expenses associated with our corporate acquisitions, dollars 1,000,000 of non cash share based compensation and $1,000,000 amortization of acquired intangible assets totaling $4,200,000 which were adjusted for in the non GAAP numbers. In 2011, these expenses totaled $2,600,000 In 2012, adjusted EBITDA was $14,000,000 increasing 44% compared to $9,700,000 in 2011. This despite a $14,000,000 increase in customer acquisition costs. Non GAAP net income in 2012 was $10,300,000 or $0.99 per share, increasing 20% compared to $8,300,000 or $0.83 per share in 2011.
In 2012, based on U. S. GAAP, cash flow from operations was $16,300,000 compared to $7,000,000 in 2011. Included in the 2012 number is approximately $3,100,000 cash from accounts receivable acquired as part of the SweetPaks acquisition, which will be returned to SweetPaks shareholders in the first half of twenty thirteen. As of December 31, 2012, we had cash and cash equivalents of approximately $21,800,000 As Joseph mentioned earlier, our Q1 is tracking nicely to our plan and as such, we are reiterating our full year 2013 non GAAP financial outlook.
We expect revenues to exceed $110,000,000 representing overall growth of 80 plus percent year over year, including at least 25 percent organic growth. We are expecting Tomo's double adjusted EBITDA, reaching at least $26,000,000 representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of approximately 24% as compared to the 23% in this past year and non GAAP net income of at least $20,000,000 or $1.61 a share, representing an 18% net profit margin with operating cash flow expected to closely track net income. This concludes my financial overview. With that, I'd like to turn the call back to Joseph. Joseph?
Thank you, Yaacob. Before we open the call to questions, let me spend a few minutes discussing our exciting product launches for 2013 and our continued efforts to expand our product portfolio. 1st, for a small box product, we have 2 key areas of focus, both meant to advance our offering for a multi screen world. We intend to move more of the application to a web based service, which will allow us to more quickly adapt to multiple platforms and we will focus and excel in 1 or 2 categories that we feel have great potential for us in the future. For example, slideshows, video and or invitations and continued investment in mobile.
We already have over 1,200,000 downloads and are constantly upgrading our app based on consumer feedback. We expect to launch an Android version in the middle of the year and tablet version shortly thereafter. As is all of our mobile efforts, at this stage, we are focused on distribution and our guidance for this year does not include material revenues from mobile apps. That being said, we have arrived firmly on monetization and already have multiple tests and agreements in place to help us monetize when we feel inappropriate. We have existing deals with Apple's iAd, Google's AdMob and Millennial Media on the mobile advertising front, already a partner with app purchases and our discussions on how to integrate search monetization into our products.
Next, we expect to launch a market changing product later this year that focuses on privacy and browser performance. I don't want to divulge too many details at this time, but we are aiming to take services in this category to a whole new level. Based on our early test and feedback for users, we are confident that our target demographic as well as other demographics will embrace this new product. And last, but certainly not least, this last week we announced the launch of our revolutionary new EncretiMail, a unified messaging product for the iPad. I am very pleased to report that in the 1st week we already had over 60,000 downloads and are ranked number 1 in the productivity category in the U.
S. And Israel app stores and among the top 10 in many other countries. We are very excited about this product as it truly takes a unique and fresh approach to email and eventually all of your messaging needs. While this product was designed from the start with our audience in mind, we expect it will have a much wider appeal because of its very attractive design and intuitive user interface. The feedback we have received today from users has been overwhelmingly positive with many saying it has liberated their e mail experience.
We have also received very favorable reviews from renowned industry publications such as TechCrunch, The Next Web, CBS MoneyWatch and others as well as many positive blogger reviews especially with our primary target audience. The Incredible Mail Unified Messaging product is now the first e mail application truly adapted for the touchscreen. Its striking visual design provides intuitive magazine by touch format, innovative functionality and the ability to easily view and share e mail content including articles, photos and videos. IncrediMail redesigns e mail experience bringing the elegance and ease of use consumers love from the iPad to their inboxes. IncrediMail is available for free download in the App Store.
Highlights that users can enjoy the IncrediMail for the iPad include a unified email inbox, quick email stationery and a built in web browser so you can search and browse the web right inside your inbox where most people start their day after opening up their tablet, ensuring an uninterrupted experience. These new products as well as potential new accretive acquisitions are expected to increase our user base, enhance our portfolio of products, ultimately growing all of our revenue streams and diversifying and strengthening our business. We look forward to updating you on our progress throughout the year. Will now open the call to questions.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we'll begin the question and answer The first question is from Dan Kurnos of Benchmark. Please go ahead.
Yes. Good morning or in your case, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. On the sort of the topic of the day on Google, I think investors just want to know how much visibility you guys actually have on the impact of the changes? And maybe it would be helpful if you guys could quantify the impact on downloads that you've seen since the policies have been implemented and some of the and maybe provide some examples of changes you've made to combat the policy changes?
First of all, thanks Dan. Nice to have you on the phone. Unfortunately, I am probably going to disappoint some of the investors because of confidentiality issues. I really can't discuss much. What I can say is what I hope will make investors feel happier or at least satisfied is we were aware of these.
We tested it. We now have 6 to 7 weeks of results. We are optimizing any impacts that we have seen pretty much are going to plan. We expected obviously some of the changes and we were put that into our guidance and we issued the guidance in January and we're reiterating it again today very confidently that these changes will not impact the guidance we've given. We still expect to exceed our $10,000,000 of revenue and to still do at least $26,000,000 of EBITDA.
I don't know what else I can say to give investors comfort, because I can't say more specifics given the confidentiality of our agreements with Google.
Okay. Got it. Could you remind us then how the market looks for you in terms of acquisition prospects? And then I think you somewhat addressed this already, but have the recent policy changes altered your target based strategy or timing of acquisitions at all?
So with regards to pipeline about acquisition, we actually we have a pretty good pipeline of companies that we are looking at. As I mentioned, I think earlier, our strategies in general are first to swallow and execute well against the acquisition we just finished roughly 3 or 4 months ago. I would not expect us to have anything to announce anytime before the end of Q2 or later. We like to be methodical and make sure things are working. But we do have a very good pipeline.
Our corporate development team is doing a great job. And the type of acquisitions we've been looking at frankly haven't changed much. Predominantly, although not exclusively, they are focused on product type companies with premium based revenue or display advertising revenue and not necessarily search. SuitePax as we mentioned when we did the deal was the right deal. I mentioned this in the script because it gave us the scale that we needed and it was a very, very attractive and accretive acquisition.
And strategically, they had some good things in the back end systems, which we thought and in fact are proving true would help us scale our business and be more efficient. So that's kind of how we look at the acquisition front. And the new policy changes don't really affect that from our perspective.
Could you just remind us quickly how much SuitePaks contributed in the quarter to revenue and EBITDA?
We didn't disclose the numbers specifically. However,
if you do recall, when
we provided the performance statements for the 9 months ending September 2012, the run rate then was approximately 2.5 $1,000,000 So you can expect some growth in the 4th quarter, but that would be a good basis. And with same with regards to profitability, they were tracking approximately $750,000 to 800 $50,000 EBITDA from us and we would expect that to be a good indicator for what they contributed in the 1 month we did have their operations.
Great. Thanks. And just a couple of quick ones for me. Have you seen any benefit I know it's really early, Joseph, but have you seen any benefit from Google's efforts to raise mobile CPCs by bundling advertising across platforms?
So too early for me to comment on. We have we do have some relationships with Google on the mobile front, but I don't have enough data to give to really give any educated answer on that. Maybe in another quarter, I can have more information.
Okay.
And then just lastly, have you seen any further competitive impact on IncrediMail? Microsoft
has done a
lot of increased TV marketing on Outlook as an easy web based platform that can unify all your email accounts. I'm just wondering if you've seen any additional pressure from that?
Actually, I think just the opposite has. If you look at the past quarter, it's probably been 2 or 3 or 4 launches of email application, mostly for the phones iPhone or Android and obviously Microsoft and Outlook Yahoo! Did a redesign as well AOL. We actually look at it very positively that frankly I remember 2 years ago many people asked me e mail is dead isn't it? I mean why would you even go forward?
And yes today we're seeing a resurgence in the importance of email as a really a launching pad for what you do and start your day. And we always said our objectives we think are while big for us are relatively small in the scheme of things and we believe that we have a good positioning in the marketplace and we can carve out our own market share. And if we do that well, we believe we'll have a very solid growing and profitable business.
Great. Thanks so much and congratulations on a solid quarter.
Thank you.
The next question is from Kerry Rice from Needham. Please go ahead.
Thanks a lot. Hi, Joseph. A quick question on maybe another way to look at the impact of the Google policy changes. There's a lot of companies out there that are being impacted by those changes. What is unique about the company that prevents this from being much of an impact to you versus some of your competitors?
Yes. So first of all, thanks, Carey. Nice to have you on the phone. With regards to I mean, clearly, there are obviously other public companies out there that I'm sure many of you are following that are in the same business as us. I'm not going to comment on them because you probably listened to all their calls and spoke to them directly as well.
With regards to us, I think there's probably 2 things that are worth noting in general. One is, I think people are getting a little confused with what's been happening specifically for us. We did an acquisition and we gave early guidance. Now because of the early guidance, I think a lot of people are saying we couldn't have possibly known the impact. And therefore, you're doubting whether our guidance is taken into account.
And therefore, I think there's a lot of concern. And all I can say is with all due respect to everybody, we did understand the impacts. We thought very carefully about what would happen. And as Jakob and I both said here, Q1 is tracking very much nicely according to plan. So from that perspective, what I can tell you is that I'm not sure how it's affecting others, but we expect it to have an impact.
We took it into account and Q1 is tracking pretty much very much according to what we thought. With regards to the second aspect, we have a diversification strategy in terms of both product and advertising revenue that's not search related as well as we signed a Bing to have another search partner where we can and we're very excited about Bing. Bing is the number 2 search provider out there and we're very excited about that as well as, frankly, working with Google as they have in the past, they're a good partner and they try to work with you to optimize the changes and help you overcome some of those changes. And I think when you look at the whole changes, people focused on a lot of these negative changes, but there were also positive changes in there as well, the mix. Together, again, we took that into account and we're very confident.
In the long run, we have pretty good visibility and we're very confident in what we've guidance we've given and Q1 is tracking to that as well.
Okay. Well, you may kind of going down the same line about Bing, can you talk a little bit about that relationship now kind of what the strategy is there? Is that for particular products? Is there any kind of traffic goals as far as how much to use Bing? Can you provide any additional details around that?
Sure. Again, there is confidentiality in this agreement as well, but I'll try my best to give some color. I think it's no secret Bing and Yahoo! Together which is still powered by Bing at the end of the day are a strong number 2 and they're trying to grow their business. I'm sure you can ask Marissa or Steve and I'm sure give you their take on the business.
I'm not going to focus on them. Our contract with them really is similar a Google contract in the sense it's a revenue share based deal. It's not exclusive, but we do look to make certain products available to consumers and we'll look to optimize which search provider we use per product. We will not mix results and we are not allowed to mix results between Bing and Google. So if a customer goes to smilebox.com and downloads Smilebox, they will be given notification of what's going to happen.
If they accept the notification, they may get Bing. Someone goes through Cut Emel, they may get Google. And we could change that at some point in time as well. As we issue new products, we have the option of looking at which product we want to include Bing and which product we want to include Google. And I'm sure you can appreciate without going into specifics, our job is to optimize what's best for the user and what's best for us in terms of economics.
And that is exactly what we'll do.
Okay. Last question. You talked a lot about customer acquisition costs. Can you you tripled those. Can you talk a little bit about what customer acquisition costs are kind of per customer?
Do you disclose any customer numbers?
We do not. I'll just explain why also. Any number I'd give you would be an irrelevant number because it differs so vastly among countries. The U. S.
Is completely different than India, which is completely different than the U. K, Germany or Brazil. So any average number I would give you would actually not at all help anybody in terms of the modeling. What we have done in the past and we'll continue to do is when you look at the overall number of dollars we spend, we have target ROIs and those ROIs as of last year were playing out very nicely. We said before previously, it was upwards of 50%, 60%.
And we are still targeting to have high ROIs as we go forward. And as we adjust to some of the new policy changes and as we learn how we can grow our business and optimize the back end systems we acquired from SuitePaks, we're very confident in that ROI continuing over the long term.
Great.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
The next question is from Jay Srivastava of Chardan Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Yes. Thanks for taking my question. Joseph, the question on every investor's mind is the renewal with Google. Can you give us some insight into where you are in the process? And when do you hope to be able to hear and affirm your renewal?
Yes, Jay, first of all, thanks for being on the phone. And I am sure he is always mine. I really I wish I can give more clarity to the situation because of confidentiality. I really can't. What I can say is what I said before.
And I think frankly, people should believe me because 2 years ago I said it and we did it. We've constantly did it. I think we've always been transparent with investors. And obviously, I certainly as I said understand that being on the outside especially with people deliberately trying to attack us and paint the worst picture possible, I understand there's some concern. What I can tell you is, I'm not at all concerned.
I have never been concerned. I remain not concerned and I am very confident that our partnership will continue and endure.
All right. Fair enough. In terms of your relationship with Microsoft and Bing, when do you expect to start to see material revenues from that relationship? And is that in your guidance? Or would that be incremental to your guidance?
I know we knew about Bing when we gave our guidance. So obviously we do it was included in our guidance numbers. We just started really seeing some in Q1. I respect Q2 and Q3, we'll already start seeing some significant impact from things. However, just to set expectations, we do not expect to start disclosing who does what revenue Google or Bing or whoever else we may additionally have.
But we would expect in Q2 already and definitely in Q3 that Bing should contribute significantly to our search numbers going forward.
All right. Last question on your mobile initiatives. Looks like you've got some products coming out later in the year. What type of incremental investment do you expect to have to make in order to be successful in that platform? Have the investments been made already?
Or do you expect further investments in the first half of this year?
So two things. One is, any investments we have planned are already in our guidance. So we don't I don't expect unless it's something I can't foresee that's a really good opportunity, I don't expect us to exceed what we've given the guidance. We did on the Incredible App for example most of that development cost was last year, some this year, but still needs work because we're continuing to develop it and we're going to launch on obviously other platforms. What I mentioned before the new product launch, again, that's already in our plan.
So I don't think it's going to be above and beyond what we have in our numbers. And a few other mobile stuff that we're looking on, again, we've already accounted for it. So I'd say other than potentially acquisitions we may do, the R and D numbers you see here should be relatively stable as a dollar amount, although as a percentage it will clearly go down.
Thank you. Good luck.
Thank you, Jay.
The next question is from Jared Tram of ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.
Hey, good afternoon. Hey, Jared. Most might have been answered. Just a couple of quick follow ups here. You mentioned just recently to Jay that all the expenses you've already basically factored in for your guidance for 2013.
Looking beyond that though, are you going to need to add any substantial headcount as you roll out new products maybe in the back half of the year or end of 2014?
Actually, I think that's one of the things we mentioned early on about the acquisition of SuitePax. So the answer is no. We do not expect to have any major headcount increases. And the main reason is we already factored into our numbers this year that we do expect synergies between the two companies, especially with regards to headcount. It's already started happening.
And those headcounts will be replaced with strategic headcounts to help us invest. So we actually don't think there'll be any significant increase in headcount again excluding other acquisitions during the course of 2013.
Okay. And with the recent changes in Google, I know it's probably a little too early on to see any real tangible benefit here. But have you seen any of the B rate players start to drop off the map far as the competitive landscape is concerned?
Good question. We have certainly seen some of the smaller players definitely have some issues. But I will say the aggressiveness of some of the other search partners out there is certainly making up for some lost ground for some of the other players out there as they try to capture market share. I think not I think actually I know, one of the benefits that Yaakov alluded to earlier of CPAC is scale. And one of the nice things that frankly we had thought would happen and is happening is, it's nice to be a wanted dance partner on the dance floor.
We are count of our scale, we are very attractive. And without going into specifics, it's nice to have competition in the search industry, which certainly helps us as we look forward to negotiating the best deal we possibly can.
Okay. And then with the launch of the new Incredible platform, outside of traditional search mechanisms, are you looking to maybe trying to advertise this offline, be it magazine, radio, television, etcetera?
Actually, we are. We don't have a big budget. We're taking it slow, but we do expect to do some offline advertising specifically in demographic targeted magazines for our audience. We have we're doing stuff online obviously. Almost nothing has started today.
So far in the 1st week, we had some PR. Thankfully, we've gotten some very good reviews, as I mentioned in the script. And that's really been propelling the downloads and installs to date. We are just going to start now the marketing side of it and most will be online or mobile focused to try to get direct installs. But we actually believe as you alluded to that there's a good opportunity for us to do some offline advertising to help create the brand and the buzz and get awareness out there.
And again, for those of you who will ask the follow-up questions, yes, it's included in our guidance and our expenses.
Okay. I think most of my questions were answered earlier. Thank you.
Thanks, Jared.
The next question is from David Kreinberg of Clovis Capital. Please go ahead.
Hi, good afternoon guys. Good job with the numbers and good job of managing through Google changes. There's been a lot of questions about Google and Bing. One thing that caught my eye in the press release is that you're exploring additional search partnership opportunities to leverage your new scale. Is there anything that you could touch on there?
What you're looking at? And when we might see additional search partners?
Thank you, David, and thanks for the call. The yes, as I just mentioned earlier, the competitive landscape in the search industry because of some of the recent changes has certainly made it more competitive as those changes have enabled other search providers to be more competitive on an economic basis with Google, which previously they really weren't. That has created an opportunity for us specifically. I can't talk about others, but certainly us because of our scale, I think we're an attractive candidate for the partners to compete for. And we are certainly exploring all of our options to maximize the revenue and profitability for Perion and to obviously maximize the user experience.
We are in discussions with a number of people and I would hope within the next couple of months we should have some updates for investors.
Okay. One other thing, it sounds like you're very confident about the Google relationship, your visibility, the momentum that you have right now in the business. Given that being the case, it would appear that there would be an upward bias to guidance. Would that be accurate?
I'd say for us at this point in time, it's we're still in Q1. To be candid, I mean, we said we're going to exceed $110,000,000 It is not because we're shy, but it's because at the end of the day, I'm not really willing to give an indication one way or the other. I think it's bad precedent in March to start upping guidance and upping guidance. I don't think it's a very healthy game to get into from our standpoint. What we have done in the past and last year we did it is when something materially changed and it impacted our guidance for the better or for the worst in last case last year was for the better, we did update guidance twice.
What you should expect from us is that as the year progresses and as we see things going and so far it's tracking very nicely according to plan, we will certainly update guidance as the year progresses. And as of right now, you can take our confidence in what we have and our visibility as good indicators for what we expect to happen going forward. Okay.
Thank you. Good job.
Thank you, David.
The next question is from Aram Fooks of Fertilmline Capital. Please go ahead.
Yes. It's Aram Fooks, Fertilmline Capital. First off, I was wondering Hi, Aaron. Hi, Joseph. Hi, Jacob.
The monetization of mobile, you mentioned possible search monetization. Would that work in a similar way as on the PC? Or maybe you can just talk about the changes and possibly also give it a potential timeline on that?
Sure. So it will today it won't work exactly the same way in the PC. There's a closed environment as you can imagine with Android which is owned by Google and with Apple which has a big deal with Google taking over default search and those type of things is not something which is really available today. There are some actually new companies out there trying to explore that. We'll see how that goes.
What we're actually referring to is if you downloaded the Incredible app and
I hope everybody on the
phone call does download it and give us the 5 rating by the way. But if you download it, you'll see there's an in app browser. In app browser, you can actually when you click on a link from an e mail in the browser in the app, in the app you can then start actually going to other websites or searching. Google and Bing and others will give you deals for those type of to get credit for those searches where you can make money off of the research results when someone searches in the browser itself. In terms of scale, what the impact could be, I think again our focus right now is on scale.
And if we get big enough, I am actually reasonably optimistic and confident that it can have the meaningful contributor to our mobile monetization efforts.
Okay. And then in this new product you mentioned about PC speed. How does that differ from your previous efforts in that category? Is it can you talk about that?
Yes. Thanks for bringing it up. PIXIE, which we did a little over a year and a half ago, was kind of our initial foray. We certainly in the research we've done know it's a pain point for users and we've been trying to address it. A year and a half ago as the company I was just a little maybe a year or a little under a year in the company and I think, Aaron, as you know specifically, we've been really trying to turn the company into a product focused company with great marketing and monetization.
Fixing, we took a white label of somebody else's product and we tried to put some finishing touches on it and market it. And to be candid, it did not go as well as we would have liked. I think as I mentioned on the phone many times, you can expect us to try things and not everything is going to work. So we ceased doing fixing. This time, we're actually taking a different approach and we're developing a product that's been in development now for probably 6 months.
We're doing a lot of usability testing, a lot of research, a lot of technology building it ourselves. And we believe it will address a real need for the users out there. And frankly, it will be done in a way which is very slick and easy to use. Fixy because it was a white label product that was doing PC optimization which frankly recently certain search providers have disallowed from advertising those on their search results page, because of the suspect of their usefulness to consumers, we just it wasn't worth continuing because of a, the product itself and because of the market changing applications. And as I mentioned on the phone, we're really trying to create applications.
I think you can see this from our Incredible iPad version that really adds value to users. We're actually very confident and optimistic that what I'm describing, I know it's vague. We're trying to build up the intrigue. We'll actually address that directly head on and it's not at all PC optimization. So it's in the same overall privacy performance enhancement and security space, but it is a different product altogether.
Okay. And regarding the Incredible for iPad, you did get this review in TechCrunch and some other tech savvy blogs. That implies to me and from my plane with the app over the weekend that this isn't for your target customer. This is broader. This for the TechCrunch user.
This is for me checking the 6 ks from Perion. It's why are you focused on the 2nd wave adopter? And why are you limiting yourself there?
So two things. 1 is first of all, good question. So thank you for asking. As I think you know me by now, I'm a big believer in focus. So as a primary focus, we're still looking at 2nd wave adopters.
And in fact, while yes, TechCrunch and others did write some good things about us, CBS MoneyWatch and we had a lot of mommy bloggers and a lot of other second wave adopter blogs out there, which was our main focus, right? Extremely good articles about us and reviews about us. And obviously, we're focusing on our audience as well. Part of our PR and marketing strategy was in order in this world to create a buzz, you still have to talk to the technology blogs and the people out there. And we do believe this has a broader appeal.
But when we built this application, the people we tested against and did usability against was our audience. We did not customize it specifically for a tech savvy person. Although as you said, we're very happy that the technology blog gave us good reviews well. And we do are hopeful and optimistic that this could expand our reach and we're not against that at all. But our primary focus will still be on our core users.
And when we do for example paid advertising offline and online it will be geared more towards our users. But hopefully, if this takes off and is viral and as of 1 week and there's only 1 week behind us is showing, I wouldn't be opposed and I hope no investors would be opposed if we had 10,000,000 users and not all of them were second wave adopters. If you are opposed to that, you can let me know afterwards, but I would hope investors would not be. And therefore, we're not going to limit ourselves, but our focus still remains on that audience.
Okay. And then on to the balance sheet, maybe this is for Yaakov. This accrued expenses line, what falls into that? It seems to be growing rather rapidly.
Well, the accrued expenses line in as of December 2012, most of the growth comes from the fact that we acquired another company along with all its entire balance sheet and accrued expenses. Specifically, actually, there's also a line item there with regard to some accruals of tax expenses that in that are related specifically actually to that acquisition as well. So I would say most of the job is as I said either because of the balance sheet that we acquired or because of tax exposure that came along with that acquisition and that we accrued for.
Okay. And then the Doctor line, I thought that was going to go down because of the way you changed the premium products on the incremental PC version.
That's a very good point. That's true. But however, we did acquire another company in 2011 called Smilebox and actually their sales are growing very rapidly. So that not only are the sales that we recorded for 2012 grow more than they did in 2011, but even more so as we look forward to 2013, the deferred revenues coming from those products is actually growing very nicely. So we're seeing some very nice success there.
Okay, great. I'll ask a few questions offline for some more detailed questions. Thanks for your time.
Thank you.
The next question is from Robert Sussman of Bentley Capital. Please go
ahead. Thank you. Number 1, are the changes at Google causing you to change your customer acquisition cost plans for 2013? Or do they remain unchanged since you had already factored them in?
Overall, when you look at the year, we believe they remain unchanged. As we've said before, Robert, nice to have you on the phone by the way. Thank you. We are not going to spend money for growth sake at the expense of profitability. We have said that publicly.
So if we don't see the ROI, we won't spend the money. Obviously, with certain changes that happened in Q1, I think it's a fair thing to say that we didn't go crazy until we all the testing we did until it hits reality. You never know what's going to happen. So when reality hits, we were certainly looking outside looking in to see how things play out. I think as I mentioned, they've been playing out pretty much according to plan.
And therefore, I'd expect over the course of the year that our media buying efforts would remain the same as you go forward over the quarters.
Okay. 2nd question. I know the rules are a little bit complex in Israel, but your stock is now about 6 times earnings, which is about a 16% after tax return, which would be difficult to duplicate with virtually any acquisition or investment and you are generating cash and have $20,000,000 even though some of it's earmarked to pay the rest of Suite back. Would you consider buying back your stock at because obviously the market doesn't believe the forecast you are making and yet you have a tremendous amount of confidence in it?
So thank you for the question. At this point in time, we do not have plans on buying back our stock. As I think as we've been talking about previously, we believe in the long term building of this business And part of the strategy is not only investing in marketing and media buying, which requires cash, but also in acquisitions. And while it's true, I think we are as you said a very attractive buy. There are a lot of opportunities out there that mentioned to the pipeline and we believe that those opportunities will present themselves.
And if we can make similar deals to what we've done both with Smallpox and 3 packs, we will intend to do that.
Okay. 3rd question. When you add another search engine like Bing, does it really add incremental revenues? Or is it merely shifting from Google to Bing? I mean is it bringing in any new customers or is it just that you shift from putting people on Bing to Google and there's nothing incremental from it?
So in that specific example, there's no incremental benefit, but I don't think and I know what you're looking for. So the answer is no. However, have to understand in the context of we're increasing our media buying and increasing our download both organically and through media buying, we don't think one replaces the other and they're both and it is incremental. So just to be clear, right? If you stop doing if you only have $1 to spend then you're correct.
It's not incremental. But if I'm spending $10 and now I have more money to spend and I have 2 partners, I can grow each partner so that one doesn't come to the expense of the other.
Is there enough shift in the economics of a partner like a Bing or even a Yahoo! If they come on such that you could get to the point where you're rather indifferent whether you put customers on Bing or Google to therefore
I'm not going to comment on specifics of economics because of the confidentiality agreement. As I mentioned earlier, we're going to look to optimize what's best for the consumer as well as what's best for Perion in terms of revenue and profitability.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Robert.
The next question is from Jason Revlund of Blueprint Capital. Please go ahead. Mr. Redland, are you with us on the line?
Sorry about that. I was I'm sorry, I was on mute. Good day, everyone. Thanks for taking my call.
Good day.
The upcoming browser product that you hinted at sounds like a new standalone product. Is that something you can discuss the timing and whether it might have an impact on 2013 revenues?
It is a standalone product. The timing at this point in time is it should be first half of the year end of the first half of the year or early Q3. I'm hoping it will be the end of Q2, but it's in that range. And we certainly hope it will have an impact this year, but it wouldn't be a material impact yet. It's still a new product.
And as like all of our new products, we're going to take it slow and build up the user base and make sure we have we work out frankly whatever bugs there may be at the beginning, get consumer feedback, hopefully perfect it. And then we are very optimistic that it can be a big contributor.
Any more details you might be able to tease out as far as how it might be differentiated in the market?
No, I cannot unfortunately. And I apologize, but my team here internally would kill me. Okay. I
look forward to hearing the news. Thanks.
Thank you.
The next question is from Akhir Yagor of Ion. Please go ahead.
Good morning. A few questions. First, should we expect the Q1 to be to grow negatively organically quarter over quarter?
We're expecting the Q1 as like the entire year to be to improve over 2011. Excuse me 2012 excuse me.
Yes. But the question is, should we expect the same trends that other public companies indicated we should see in the Q1?
Well, as we said, we're not going to be giving quarterly guidance. However, as we indicated, I think we're seeing it tracking along as our plan and tracking on to our guidance. And therefore, we're expecting actually a very good quarter ahead of us.
Okay. With regard to the search metrics, I'm not looking for specific numbers, but the trends. Do you see user value conversion or maybe you can tell me how do you see user value and conversion cost per click? How do they look like after the policy change?
So again, we're not going to go into specifics due to confidentiality. I'd say in general, just a couple of overview things, which I think other companies had too. Lifetime value from an installed customer, you shouldn't really be affected and we're not seeing that affected. Clearly, there are some other issues with regard to the actual take rate or conversion on the initial and that has changed a little bit obviously. But in terms of the whether it's other aspects of the funnel or other aspects of the economics of how the search business works, we unfortunately can't give specifics other than what we said before, which is tracking to plan.
And we're still very confident in the guidance we've given.
And if we combine that with the customer acquisition costs that you see, do you see the return on investment or your threshold, did it change the return investment, the criteria, did it change going forward? Or you were at the same level with 2012?
So as of now, it's probably a little I mean, our target goal is the same. It is a little too early to kind of say what's going to be happening for the entire year. Clearly with some of the changes out there and the competitiveness in the marketplace from some of the other search providers, clearly as we said, we're focused on growth and profitability. So we're trying to manage as best as we can. We're trying to make sure that we have both growth and profitability.
So there probably has been some as you look at it some competitive pressures in terms of the return on investment. But it's really too early to say from our perspective what that's going to be for the rest of the year. And actually we've seen some recent trends that are very favorable to us in terms of coming back to the ROIs that we were expecting. So I think what probably happened is a lot of people jumped out of the gate with other opportunities, frankly not knowing necessarily what the lifetime value is, trying to aggressively spend. We did not do that.
I think some of them are learning what the LTV is and some of them are adjusting. And we're very confident that macroeconomics of the industry will ultimately prove once again to be overall fair and balanced. And if that's the case, we expect to do very well.
So you're basically saying that some of your peers are just spending to show a top line growth with less with no regard to return on investment?
I'm not talking about and not yet mentioned I'm not mentioning peers. I'm not talking about other what other companies I'm saying what we're seeing in the overall marketplace is those dynamics happening. I'm not going to comment on what other companies are doing specifically. If there are other public companies out there, you're more than welcome to ask them
yourself. But it makes sense, because you would expect the company to be more conservative and check the new realm before standing like crazy.
Again, I think what we could talk about is ourselves and that's certainly our philosophy.
I see. And last one for me. About Swiatek search partners, who are they? And can you switch traffic between your assets and SuiteTek's assets?
So well, with regard to search partners, I'm not sure if you're referring to the search providers like Google?
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
I mean, StreetPass had Google. And as I mentioned, that's one of the reasons why we signed that amendment is because we wanted to make sure our contracts are aligned. They only had Google as we only had Google. Bing you signed and we can use them on both SuitePaks and or in CreditMail or Smilebox and Google can be as well.
There are no further questions at this time. Before I ask Mr. Mandelbaum to go ahead with his closing statement, I would like to remind participants that a replay of this call will be available in 3 hours on the company website at www dotperion.com. Mr. Mandelbaum, would you like to make your concluding statement?
Thank you. As I said earlier, this was an exceptional year for Perion and I'm confident that 2013 2014 will continue this trend. We developed a strategy 2.5 years ago and we are very pleased with the progress we have made. We strongly believe that there is a big market opportunity for us by providing quality products and services that meet the needs of our primary audience, 2nd wave adopters for the foreseeable future. And as you can see with our new concepts, we are reaching out to additional users as well.
None of this would have been possible though without the support and efforts of our team I want to take this opportunity to thank our associates in Tel Aviv and Seattle for all their hard work and dedication. Thank you all and have a great day.
Thank you. This concludes the Perion 4th quarter 2012 results conference.