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Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Aug 3, 2021

Speaker 1

Welcome to the Perion Network Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. The press release detailing the financial results is available on the company's website atperion.com. Before we begin, I'd like to read the following Safe Harbor statement. Today's discussion includes forward looking statements.

These statements reflect the company's current views with respect to future events. These forward looking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, including those discussed under the heading Risk Factors and elsewhere in the company's Annual Report on Form 20 F that may cause actual results, performance or achievements to be materially different and any future results, performance or achievements anticipated or implied by these forward looking statements. The company does not undertake to update any forward looking statements to reflect future events or circumstances. As in prior quarters, the results reported today will be analyzed both on GAAP and non GAAP basis. While mentioning EBITDA, we will be referring to adjusted EBITDA.

We have provided a detailed reconciliation of non GAAP Measures to the comparable GAAP measures in our earnings release, which is available on our website and also has been filed to Form 6 ks. Hosting the call today are Doron Gerstel, Perion's Chief Executive Officer and Maus Sigron, Perion's Chief Financial Officer. I would now like to turn the call over to Doron Kjerstl. Kjerstl, please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you, and good morning. Today, Perion reported its 2nd strongest quarter since I joined the company with notable improvement across all metrics. To put this in perspective, with today's results, Permian has generated $400,000,000 of revenue And more than $47,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA in the last 12 months. In the second quarter, we drove A 4 19% increase in GAAP net income and 4 79% increase in adjusted EBITDA. These results and the growth trajectory they represent has given us improved visibility and strong confidence in the future, Thus, enabling us to improve 2021 financial guidance and to introduce preliminary guidance for 2022.

Now allow me to add one more milestone to today's exciting news. We are positioned to achieve our 3 years growth plan a year earlier than expected. I'm particularly proud that our accelerated performance It's come in the midst of continued economic uncertainty and start gains, stop again, pandemic related circumstances in many categories. Parent success results can be summarized in one unifying strength, A powerful, diversified technology platform that reflects our innovation and growing relevance to marketers and publishers. Perion is now operating in a clear strategic direction, Leveraging our strong financial position to increase investment in technology and to accelerated growth.

To demonstrate the effectiveness of our strategic framework, 18 months ago, we announced the goal of enhancing our advertising capability dramatically, while focusing on technology and AI, resulting in 127 percent revenue growth in the first half of twenty twenty one. This demonstrates the market fit of our platform made possible by Reliance, Innovation and Strategic Acquisitions. As you know, digital media is defined by supply side, the availability of different ad units utilized by publisher And the demand generated by brands and agencies, we have developed a unique hub and spoke platform that empowers our clients To efficiently engage and convince consumer via the channel that best meets the real time marketing needs. Perion's intelligent hub sits at the center of this platform, and its value goes beyond Our ability to generate revenue from both sides of the open web. Perion's intelligent hub is an optimization engine, Successfully routing demand to make the most of supply demand forces and bring better economics for a dual set of clients on both sides.

Our intelligent hub is working, and I couldn't be more excited. We are achieving significant growth, and we are leveraging this by driving higher cost efficiencies to the bottom line. Our advertising business is clearly differentiated, leveraging broad based adoption of video and CTV As well as digital advertising and social media, our search advertising business is demonstrating its ability to capture intent And turn it into a revenue by using AI to serve relevant news, shopping and information driven content. Its searches are up more than 30% year over year. Example help, So I'd like to share a recent case of relationship with Lexus, which is one of many of our high growth CPV operations.

We have a long and successful history with the local dealer association. They used our high impact units and love the results. So it was only natural that they were one of the first to step into our interactive CTV initiative. The results were remarkable. The campaign drove 5 times the industry norm for awareness and doubled the norm for purchase intent, A key metric.

Finally, the interaction rate was 9 times the benchmark, And I'll underscore the interactivity is the core benefit. Based on those results, the campaign has extended to other creative units and other geographies. This case is extremely encouraging as Lexus is a sophisticated advertiser And their support demonstrates the potential of our CTV and iCTV business. With $400,000,000 in annual revenue over the last 12 months, we are poised to reach $500,000,000 in revenues by the end of 2022, more than a year earlier than our original plan. Perion now has sustainable multiyear track record of double digit growth of a 25% CAGR between 2020 2022, expanding profitability and most importantly, Consistent delivery on our promises, and this is only the beginning.

To summarize the highlights, The $110,000,000 in revenue for the quarter sets record level results for 2nd quarter. Year over year, this represents growth of 82%, and sequentially, it represents growth of 22%. Our advertising revenue grew 211% year over year, and our search and other revenue increased 24%. From a capital position, we have $141,000,000 in cash with 0 debt. We generated $14,600,000 in cash in the 2nd quarter, further boosting our balance sheet.

It is worth noting that we accomplished all this with well recognized headwinds, a global pandemic, We should significantly reduce advertising spend by travel brands, a meaningful portion of our advertising revenue. We are now seeing travel advertising beginning to rebound, but it does not reach historical level. We have room to further improve performance, but given our prudent and realistic financial management, we are not taking anything for granted. Those of you who have been following Perion know that we are an active strategic acquirer With the 2 accretive acquisitions we did in 2020, we've demonstrated that our deal structure with significant earn off component Minimize the natural risk of any acquisition and most importantly, keeps the acquired team active and incentivized for the long run. We have the capital, the ability to identify the right targets and the financial model to pursue the right opportunity.

With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Maoz to review the financial results for the Q2. Maoz?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Doron. Our financial results in the Q2 of 2021 reflect the strength of our Aventpro business model, Which cater for both DSP and SSP and the strong momentum starting from the Q4 of 2020. We can see the fruits of our turnaround strategy in any improved balance sheet, P and L and substantial growth in both search and advertising revenue. During the Q2 of 2021, revenue for Perion totaled $109,700,000 an increase of 82% from $60,300,000 in the Q2 last year. This increase was primarily due to the growth achieved across the board.

Our display and social advertising revenue increased by 2 11%, primarily due to the contribution of Twidio and CPV advertising contracts as well as the successful implementation of our other stock model within the Perion World Garden. Video, including CTV, Generated $9,100,000 in revenue, reflecting 435% growth year over year. On a pro form a basis, assuming we own TravelOcean in both periods, display and social advertising increased by 134%. Sales, advertising and other revenue increased by 24%, resulting from a higher number of data advertisable search We delivered to Microsoft, BIG and others. Our daily number of searches was $60,900,000 compared with $30,000,000 last year.

In addition, we added 18 new publishers to our network during the quarter. Display and social advertising revenue of $58,000,000 represented 53% of the Q2 of 2021, With search advertising and other revenue representing $51,600,000 or 47 percent of total revenue. This is exactly the kind of diversification we are looking for. Graphic acquisition costs in the Q2 of 2021 We have $66,200,000 or 60.4 percent of revenue compared with $36,800,000 All 61 percent of revenue in the Q2 of 2020. Our media margin remained stable at around 39%.

In fact, this margin has remained around 40% for each of the last 5 quarters. The media buying margin stability as a percentage of revenue is a result of cost synergy and Tier 2 implementation of our RB and Spok Operating expenses for the Q2 of 2021 were $32,600,000 or 29 0.7% of revenues compared with $23,800,000 or 39.4% of revenues in the same quarter last year. With a 10% drop of operating expenses as a percentage of revenue, The revenue has continued to grow and reflects the scalability of the Perion business model. Cost of revenue For the Q2 of 2021, we have $6,200,000 or 5.6 percent of revenue compared with $4,900,000 All 8.1 percent of revenue in the same quarter last year. SG and A for the Q2 of 2021 was $17,500,000 or 16 percent of revenue compared with $11,800,000 or 19.6% in the same quarter last year.

R and D for the Q2 of 2021 was BRL 8,900,000 or 8.1% compared with RMB 7,100,000 or 11.8% in the same quarter last year. This increase in R and D investments reflect our long term planning and support Perion's growth strategy. Perion's net income for the Q2 of 2021 was $7,100,000 or $0.19 per diluted share compared with a net loss of $2,200,000

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or a

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loss of $0.08 diluted share in the Q2 of 2020. Non GAAP net income in the Q2 of 2021 was $12,300,000 or $0.33 per diluted share Compared with RMB 1,900,000 or 0 point 0 $7 per diluted share in the Q2 of 2020. Improved operating efficiency resulted in adjusted EBITDA going to BRL 14,300,000 for the Q2 of 2021 From $2,500,000 in the Q2 of 2020, this represents a margin of 13% or 33% excluding profit acquisition costs. We generated $14,600,000 cash flow from operating activities for the Q2 of 2021 compared with $151,000 last year. As of June 30, 2021, With unrestricted cash, cash equivalents and short term bank deposit of $141,200,000 Compared with $60,300,000 as of December 31, 2020.

This concludes my financial overview. I will now turn the call back to Doron for some details.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Maoz. There is no doubt that Peron has come a long way in a relatively short period of time, a period where we had to grapple with the once in a century pandemic. We have eliminated all debt and now have A pristine balance sheet with more than $141,000,000,000 in cash and liquidity that is strategic asset for our company. We have built a powerful differentiated hub and spoke platform based on proprietary technology that provide The diversification solution for advertising clients. Our business model is highly scalable, And we have proven that enabling us to grow our bottom line faster than the top line, we provide sustainable cash generation.

Despite the global pandemic, Clarion continues to excel. Based on the strong performance Year to date and our continued momentum, we are narrowing the range of our 2021 annual guidance to revenue of $450,000,000 to $430,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA of $50,000,000 to $51,000,000 as well as introducing guidance for 2022. For 2022, we expect revenue to range between 4.90 to $520,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA to range of $59,000,000 to $62,000,000 This guidance does not include any future acquisitions. These goals would enable us to achieve our target $500,000,000 in annual revenue by the end of 2022, a year early. Before turning this call over to the operator for questions, I'd like to thank my incredible team in the U.

S, Israel and around the world Without their dedication, creativity and resilience, none of this would have been possible. With that said, operator, will you please open the call for questions? Operator?

Speaker 1

Thank you, sir. Our first question comes from Jason Helfstein of Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks. A few questions. First, the business obviously is operating really well, better than expected. Some of that is obviously due to just the macro strength in advertising. But, Tharon, can you just talk more about how the assets are creating Revenue synergies within the company, meaning because you have so many different types of businesses And how they are leveraging off each other.

Perhaps are you seeing certain client synergies? That's something that you talked about in the past. You have a kind of cross sell, upsell. Are you starting to see that? Then an M and A question, without being specific about what companies you might want to buy, Maybe are you more focused on the demand side or the supply side from an acquisition standpoint?

And then lastly, a modeling question. If we kind of back into, you know, Udo, obviously, you've given us a full year guidance, And then we look at the seasonality of this quarter versus historically the seasonality of the Q2, let's say, in 2019, You would still suggest that the full year guidance is quite conservative based on seasonality. So maybe just talk about that a little more. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you very much. So let's start with the synergy question. So with all the assets that we have, both on the demand side and the supply side, First of all, the real challenge was put them on one framework. And the framework that we're using is developing the hub.

A hub and spoke about the different assets. And the hub, and we call it the I hub, the I for intelligent, Very much able to see like an air tower control, able to see all the movement that is happening between the demand side and the supply side. And 1st and foremost, for efficiency that is translated internally and externally. And this has to do with, 1st of all, what is the optimized routing. And this optimized routing of Demand to supply that's going through the Intelligent Hub will be translated into our efficiency internally and, of course, to a better Return on ad spend for our customer.

This is the first phase. And the second phase, as we mentioned on our call, There definitely will be some cross selling between the different publisher and upselling, etcetera. But it was important for us to do, 1st and foremost, to have the technology that gives us the overall visibility of what's Going happen in our framework that we couldn't do before. And we will take it beyond the optimization or financial optimization also to develop what we call the Perion tag, Also our ability to look about better targeting, and we can look about all other parameters That all goes into delivering a way better performance for our customers. And that was our main investment, Technology investment, let's say, in the last year or so, and we are very happy to see these results in our financial performance.

That's on the synergy. As far as the acquisition And what we are looking for, so yes, it's challenging Because we are very much looking for quite a tight framework. I tried to share it with you on this We're looking for a company that, first, will definitely be accretive and substantial accretive. We're looking for a Company that has the technology that is complementary, closing gap, accelerating our offerings to the market and yet Ready to accept our quite, let me put it this way, rigid consideration structure, Which we believe is the only way to mitigate, on one hand, the risk and on the other hand, ensure that the acquired team will be with us along the earn out period, which is usually between 2 to 3 years. That's not trivial.

We are looking and we believe that for the right opportunity, as I mentioned, we have the cash available. And we have also

Speaker 3

the team

Speaker 2

for that's able to observe such an acquired team from a post merger integration standpoint. In terms of modeling, you're right in your observation when it comes to the second half of twenty twenty one. So it was quite a question in terms Of the guidance that we provide because on the overall of 2021, it definitely reflect The guidance that we provide reflect a great growth from 2020, but when you are focusing on the H2, It's a lower growth. Now H2 2020, in our opinion, will very much reflect the growth of H2 2020 from the rebound of a very, let's say, shocking second quarter Of 2020. So we are estimated some of the growth of the H2 2020, we define it as a rebound From when the COVID was very much hit us in the Q2.

And so we will try to forecast And try to look at it from this point that this rebound was something which is related only to 2020 and will not This amount reflects in 2021. Long story short, we are quite conservative in our projection. And as we did in the last 3 years, we definitely would like to follow the underpromised and overachieved narrative Which we're having in the last 3 years.

Speaker 1

Thank you. We'll now move to our next question from Laura Martin from Needham. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Yes, can you hear me okay?

Speaker 2

Yes, we can hear you. Hi, Laura.

Speaker 6

Hi, there. So, yes, I wanted to drill down on search a little bit. So your search revenue year over year grew 24% in the quarter and 23 I was struck by that because the global numbers were 68% growth in the 2nd quarter After the Q1 only grew 30% because the prior year comp, we weren't in COVID yet. So I guess I'm wondering two things about could you explain how your Search Different Business is different from Google's, a, why it's so much slower of a growth rate in the current quarter, that second quarter, the 68% For Google, that's their search business alone, compared to your search business at 24%. And then why is yours so not seasonal Year over year compared to how Google's like doubled from 30% growth to 68% growth.

I'm just trying to understand the difference between The Bing search engine and the Google search engine, please.

Speaker 2

So first and foremost, the Bing, the main difference between the Bing search engine and the Google search engine has to do with mobile presence. And that's one of the main Let me put it this way, main deficiency of the Bing search engine. We are very happy with the sustained growth of our search advertising business. And it will not it's something that we shared. And we shared a lot that We are putting way, way more weight

Speaker 3

in terms

Speaker 2

of technology investment on our display and social advertising business. And that's reflected towards a strategic decision that the company take back then. I think it was more than a year ago, and I think that reflects on the numbers. I can tell you that there is a lot of P and L potential between the two that we are working on it as we speak, And we are able to generate some advertising business that is coming as a result from the search or the search intent or insight that we're getting from this side of the house. So all in all, we are very optimistic as far as this business and more importantly about The ability to develop a synergy business between the 2.

Speaker 6

That's super helpful. Thank you. My second and then I'll stop is on e commerce. Almost every company that's ad driven that's reported in sort of ad tech is talking about e And I'm wondering how you think about like integrating e commerce deliverables into your product road map going forward

Speaker 2

Yes. So thanks for the question, and it has to do with 2 things. First of all, I think that Yes. In the Q2, Undertone announced its retail as a vertical that has To do with I think it has to do with like $4,000,000 this quarter. I need to look at the

Speaker 3

number, but it's in this range

Speaker 2

of business that we're doing with retail. That's 1, and we're continuing and invest in these verticals And because we truly believe that, that represents a huge potential advertising business following the whole Vision of retail as a publisher, and we are very much looking into this type of business. The other thing that has to do with e commerce, and I think that search advertising is all performance advertising. And we're definitely looking about the keywords, and we're trying to develop here all kind of modeling around it, which is very much this All growth of search advertising is driven by more and more advertisers that look at this as a great channel Spend when it comes to e commerce, when it comes to performance advertising, because of one very, I I think basic factor, this represents the highest possible intent for consumer

Speaker 3

And the

Speaker 2

best place for advertisers to meet those consumers that representing the highest possible intent. So we are very, very much riding This wave of e commerce.

Speaker 6

Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Our next Question comes from Erik Martinuzzi from Lake Street. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Yes. You called out Significantly more spend per campaign and then as you also called out healthy increase in new clients, I'm just going to guess here, but I'm assuming the outperformance you saw both in Q2 and in the raised outlook for FY 2021 was Tied to significantly more spend per campaign from the installed base. Is that correct?

Speaker 2

Absolutely.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then if I think about the raise, 90 days ago, we were talking in May about a year at the midpoint that would be about 400,000,000 And now we're looking at $422,500,000 at the midpoint. So that's almost a 6% increase in your outlook for the year. As you see people spend more per campaign, is it flowing In particular, is this more an extension of the length of the campaign or the intensity over the same period of time?

Speaker 2

Yes, I think that both. There are 2 things that we definitely see that brands are shifting more dollars Into digital advertising campaign, I know that few brands that were in touch, it's $15 from exhibitions That were part of their budget into digital campaigns. This by itself is a huge amount of incremental dollars that's going into it. And one thing we need to definitely point out. During the campaign, we are reporting To our brand and agency, how we are performing.

That's a very important thing because we are encouraging And our brands and agency to double down, where the performance that we are demonstrating even more than what they anticipated. It has to do with additional dollars and it has to do with additional length on time because Most of the fixed expenses already being utilized. And for those customer of us, this is Pure, really, the return on this incremental is way, way higher than for the original plan of the campaign. We developed more of this online type of reporting. We developed more of this performance, which is always one Very much bottom line to incent our client to invest more and extend more because for us operationally It's a great thing because the campaign is running, the work has been done, everything is already in place And operator and extending it or in time or putting more budget It's very, very profitable for both sides.

Speaker 4

That's good to see. I assume that's a return on those R and D investments of the prior 12 months. Is that correct?

Speaker 2

Absolutely.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then lastly, maybe this is for Maoz. The earn out payments, you had a couple of very successful acquisitions. I think the CIQ was January 2020 And the publishing was maybe July of 2020, but they did have significant earn outs due. Do we have what do we have kind of Over the next 6 months, kind of between here year end as far as cash payouts tied to the earnouts of those acquisitions.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Eric. We actually are not expecting to have much more payment This year, we paid small amount in July, around $1,000,000 but this is it. All the other payments that we have on the balance sheet, in terms of things, we're going according to plan, we'll pay Around Q1

Speaker 7

2022. And

Speaker 4

can you size that dollar exposure?

Speaker 3

About $30,000,000

Speaker 4

30, dollars 30,000,000 Yes. 30,000,000. Okay. Thanks and congratulations on the quarter and the robust outlook.

Speaker 2

Thanks,

Speaker 1

Jeff Martin, Rolvsky Partners. Please go ahead. Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. Wanted to drill down a little more on the client Count increased 67% in the advertising segment in the quarter.

Are those clients that you've worked with in the past, are they new clients? Help us understand the composition of which parts of the business does that 67% increase is focused on? And then I have A follow-up question on content monetization when you're done with that.

Speaker 2

So First of all, the efforts on the advertising has definitely increased the client base that we have. We are definitely looking on 2 parameters 1, very much the retention revenue, and we definitely can report that we are Very close to 100% of retention revenue in this quarter. And the other key KPI for us is expanding and adding More clients that has to do with new products and that we are launching to the market. We are really encouraging by our latest release, which is has to do with the CTV suite of Product that we launched that allow us to get more clients that are looking On our CPV offering, more specifically on the interactive, the ICPV solution and the fact that We're able to combine cross screening in this campaign that generate Quite traction in the market that allows us to add the substantial new clients.

Speaker 1

Okay, great. And then My understanding is content monetization is roughly a quarter of the business. I was hoping you could give us some performance metrics Around that and some of the key trends that have developed over the course of this year within content monetization?

Speaker 2

Yes. So, context monetization is definitely a key part of our growth. I must tell you that we already shared them as We had it in our Analyst Day back on March, The CEO of Newsweek was on the call. That's one very good example of how content limitation is in play. We're working with top tier publisher, where we are Externalizing our solution technology in order to drive audience And in order to keep their audience as long as possible on their assets, on the content, and that's one of the things that We are focusing it.

The 2 main parameters in this business or the main parameter in this business has to do with RPS, That stands for revenue per session. This is the main measure for the publisher and the ability We generate as much as revenue for a given audience And on the session time, session is from the time it lands in the time this audience leaves the sites on the notion That is an endless calling or anything like this. It can be a mobile or it can be a desktop or whatever. It's very much performance based business, which You have to demonstrate the technology because it's a rev share type of business between us and the publisher. And at this point, it's become a significant portion of our overall business.

As we mentioned, In the last 12 months of the $400,000,000 it's a good 25% of the business, and it's a healthy margin.

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 2

You're welcome.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Paul Sayer from Private Investor. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hello, Dwayne.

Speaker 2

How are you?

Speaker 7

Good. Very good. I just wanted to know the first one question about 2024, Excuse me. Do you think we should reach $1,000,000,000 without any acquisitions? Is it possible?

Speaker 2

So you know what, we looked in developing a model for 2022, The only thing that I can comment on this one is the company is working on a 3 year strategic plan. And this is very much our guidance. This is something that we did for until 2023. Now We are able to achieve this number a year earlier, and we are definitely extending our strategic view beyond The 2022. And I think that getting into this market that you mentioned, It's not that it's required an acquisition, but acquisition is definitely part of our strategic plan.

We see opportunity in the market, and we see an area which we would like to accelerate In our offering, and so you could expect that by the 2024, the company will do It definitely will require opportunities given, of course, the trend that I described. So it's too early to Right. So yesterday, 2024.

Speaker 7

Okay. I didn't mean to put you on the spot. I just have one more question. With the 2 acquisitions that we made, you gave them certain stipulations that you can see And that they have to do so much business in this year, 1.5 years, and then also they have to show some good decent profit. Do you remember that guideline I think you did, the 2 acquisitions?

Speaker 2

Am I wrong? We came The guidelines that we came is very much demonstrated on the earnout objective that we shared With the market. And but I must say that we've seen that they exceed our expectation, and they're doing extremely well, Especially on the ability to developing the synergy with other parts of the business, and we are very happy with that.

Speaker 7

Okay, good. Thank you, my friend.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for joining.

Speaker 1

And we have a follow-up question from Laura Martin from Needham. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi. Just building on the answers you just gave I asked my question. Could you tell us now in the interactive CTV suite with VIZIO, how big our business has gotten

Speaker 2

Yes. So interactive CTV product is growing. From a percentage Standpoint is growing rapidly. We've seen more and more brands. The revenue itself, I think it's As I mentioned before, we're looking about what is the impact to the overall insertion order by having this line of ITV.

So the way we'd like to our KPI is, is it generating greater deal? Is it generating A deal that we didn't have before and not necessarily the line of the ICP details that currently, it's relatively small, but its Impact on the overall revenue is way, way greater than its stand alone contribution. Hope it's

Speaker 6

clear. Yes. No, it's super helpful. And then on content monetization, that was a really interesting answer you gave. I'm curious as to how you would compare that business to Outre and Tubula.

Is that a direct competitor to those 2 recommendation

Speaker 2

No, it's not. We are using Outbrain and Tabula. Basically, our content recommendation so the fact that we are helping publisher, Sure. In this case, it's Newsweek to get new audience into our into the assets, Into their assets, which working on our content management systems because the whole engine Optimizing or increase the revenue per session is our own engine, which is based on our own proprietary content management This is our core technology. One of the way here to increase it because at the end of the day, It's a rev share based, and the idea is how we're able to get the most of this technology is by driving new audience.

Part of the audience is the majority is coming from social media and the other, which is like 25%, is coming from content recommendation. In this regard, Tableaubrand, our great partner, and it definitely drives audience Thanks again.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And as there are no further questions in the queue, I'd like To hand the call back over to Mr. Doran Gerstelp for any additional or closing remarks. Over to you, sir.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much for your participation. See you in the next quarter. Bye bye.

Speaker 1

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. Ladies and gentlemen, you may now disconnect.

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