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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Apr 26, 2022

Operator

Please stand by. We're about to begin. Good day, everyone, and welcome to the PJT Partners F irst Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Ms. Sharon Pearson, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Sharon Pearson
Head of Investor Relations, PJT Partners

Thank you very much, Allen, and good morning and welcome to the PJT Partners first quarter 2022 earnings conference call. Joining me today is Paul Taubman, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Helen Meates, our Chief Financial Officer. Before I turn the call over to Paul, I want to point out that during the course of this conference call, we may make a number of forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties, and there are important factors that could cause actual outcomes to differ materially from those indicated in these statements. We believe that these factors are described in the Risk Factors section contained in PJT Partners 2021 Form 10-K, which is available on our website at pjtpartners.com.

I want to remind you that the company assumes no duty to update any forward-looking statements and that the presentation we make today contains non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are meaningful in evaluating the company's performance. For detailed disclosures on these non-GAAP metrics and their GAAP reconciliations, you should refer to the financial data contained within the press release we issued this morning, which is also available on our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Paul Taubman.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Thank you, Sharon, and thank you all for joining us this morning. Earlier today, we reported our Q1 financial results. For the quarter, we generated revenues of $246 million, adjusted pre-tax income of $56 million, and adjusted earnings per share of $1. Measured against each of these metrics, we had our strongest first quarter ever with broad-based strength across our businesses. Our PJT Park Hill and Restructuring businesses delivered significant year-over-year growth in revenues, with Strategic Advisory revenues down just slightly compared to strong year-ago levels. As we mentioned on our fourth quarter earnings, we expect the strong momentum we are seeing in our Strategic Advisory business to increasingly shine through as the year progresses. After Helen reviews our financial results, I will review each of our businesses in greater detail. Helen.

Helen Meates
CFO, PJT Partners

Thank you, Paul. Good morning. Beginning with revenues. Total revenues for the quarter were $246 million, up 19% year-over-year. As Paul mentioned, we had significant revenue increases in PJT Park Hill and Restructuring and a slight decline in Strategic Advisory revenues. Turning to expenses. Consistent with prior quarters, we've presented the expenses with certain non-GAAP adjustments, and these adjustments are more fully described in our 8-K. First, adjusted compensation expense. We accrued adjusted compensation expense at 63% of revenues for the first quarter, which is flat versus our full year 2021 ratios and represents our current best expectation for the full year 2022 ratio. Turning to adjusted non-compensation expense. Total adjusted non-compensation expense was $55 million in the first quarter, up from $28 million in the same period last year.

As a percentage of revenues, our non-compensation expense was 14.2% for the first quarter, up from 13.5% in the same period last year. We saw a meaningful increase in travel and related activity in March, although activity remains below pre-COVID levels. Not surprisingly, travel and related costs were the most significant driver of our higher non-comps in the quarter at $4.5 million, compared with $500 thousand in the prior year. Excluding travel and related expenses, our non-comp expenses in the first quarter were up 11% year-over-year. With further growth in headcount, continued investment in IT, and increased business activity, we continue to expect our full year non-compensation expenses, excluding travel and related, to grow in aggregate in the low double-digit percentages year-over-year. In terms of our travel and related expense, those numbers are likely to grow as the year progresses.

Turning to adjusted pre-tax income. We reported adjusted pre-tax income of $56 million for the first quarter, up 13% year-over-year. Our adjusted pre-tax margin was 22.8% for the first quarter, compared with 24% for the same period last year. The provision for taxes, as with prior quarters, we've presented our results as if all partnership units had been converted to shares and that all of our income was taxed at a corporate tax rate. Our effective tax rate was 25.8% for the first quarter, compared with 22.3% for full year 2021. We had a lower tax benefit relating to the delivery of vested shares relative to their amortized costs compared to last year.

We take a full year view of that benefit and would expect our full year effective tax rate to be in line with the first quarter rate of 25.8%. Earnings per share are adjusted if converted earnings were $1 per share for the first quarter, up 12% compared with $0.89 per share in the first quarter last year. For the share count. For the quarter, our weighted average share count was 41.8 million shares. During the first quarter, we repurchased the equivalent of approximately 1.2 million shares, including approximately 887,000 shares in the open market. The balance of the repurchases came from the exchange of partnership units for cash and the net share settlement of employee tax obligations. In addition, we plan to exchange 65,000 partnership units for cash on May 3rd, 2022.

On the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $96 million in cash equivalents, and short-term investments, and $218 million in net working capital. We had a modest draw on our revolver in the quarter, which has now been repaid. The board has approved a new authorization of $200 million to the company's common stock repurchase program in addition to the $17 million left in our prior share repurchase authorization. Finally, the board has approved a dividend of $0.25 per share. The dividend will be paid on June 22nd, 2022 to Class A common shareholders of record as of June 8th. With that, I'll turn it back to Paul.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Thank you, Helen. Beginning with PJT Park Hill. Our PJT Park Hill business delivered strong performance in the first quarter compared to the prior year and continues to track toward another year of record performance. 2022 is shaping up to be an extremely busy but challenging year for alternatives fundraising. Many managers are back out fundraising with record-setting fund size targets. In this increasingly crowded marketplace, some managers may struggle to meet their fund size targets as asset allocators become increasingly selective and capital constrained. Despite this challenging backdrop, we are well positioned to continue our strong performance. On the fundraising side, the team's rigorous selection process enables us to bring the highest quality fund managers with differentiated strategies and differentiated track records to investors.

In secondary advisory, our leadership position advising on large, complex GP-led transactions, coupled with our deep network of LP relationships, allows us to facilitate the institutional investors' increased demand for capital redeployment and liquidity. Turning to Strategic Advisory. Given the early stages of our advisory build-out, we are disproportionately levered to the number of new client relationships developed rather than the level of overall M&A activity. Our ability to cultivate new banking relationships is greatly enhanced when we meet clients in person, where our collaborative culture and differentiated capabilities can best be appreciated rather than over Zoom. To that end, our Strategic Advisory business is benefiting greatly from the resumption of travel, in-person meetings, and more personal client engagement. Our Strategic Advisory practice also continues to benefit from the contribution of PJT Camberview's unique investor-focused perspectives and relation.

As these two disciplines continue to meld together and the depth of our client relationships strengthens appreciably. As previously communicated, we have consistently forecast 2022's global M&A volumes to decline relative to 2021 levels. However, we remain confident that 2022 will be another record year for our Strategic Advisory business as the momentum in our increased client dialogues, mandates, and announced transactions is increasingly reflected in our financial results as the year progresses. Turning to Restructuring. Although we continue to expect overall 2022 Restructuring activity levels to be largely in line with 2021, stress is beginning to build in the system. The combination of increasing interest rates, inflationary pressures, and supply chain are having an impact on many companies that emerged from the COVID-19 pandemic with highly leveraged capital structures. Further disruptions caused by the war in Ukraine are impacting companies everywhere, but particularly in Europe.

We continue to believe that it is simply a matter of time before we see a meaningful uptick in overall Restructuring activity. Our Restructuring practice continues to be a market leader, receiving numerous accolades for its best-in-class capabilities, including being named Restructuring Adviser of the Year by IFR for the second year in a row. Not yet ready to suggest we are at an inflection point. We have seen some uplift in PJT's number of Restructuring mandates. Accordingly, we now believe that our 2022 Restructuring revenues will increase slightly from 2021 levels. Turning to our capital priorities. Our first investment priority continues to be attracting and developing best-in-class talent. Even with the challenges of recruiting in a COVID-19 environment, both Strategic Advisory partner and non-partner headcounts grew at double-digit rates over the past 12 months.

Offsetting the share dilution resulting from our human capital investments remains a close second in terms of capital priorities. At recent trading levels, the compelling investment opportunity in our shares caused us to weigh our 2022 open market share repurchases to earlier in the year. We committed more dollars to open market repurchases last quarter than in any previous quarter. As a result of our significant open market repurchases, we have, as of today, only $17 million left on our previous share repurchase authorization. Consequently, the board has approved an additional share repurchase authorization of $200 million. As before, we intend to remain active repurchasers of our shares, but that activity is likely to slow in the second half of the year as we continue to be mindful of our float.

Looking ahead, we said earlier this year that all of our businesses outside of Restructuring were poised for record performance in 2022. That continues to be the case, and our leading Restructuring franchise continues to be well positioned for when the inevitable Restructuring wave hits. Our unique combination of businesses and the significant expansion opportunities that lie ahead position us well to drive significant growth. We remain confident in our prospects for 2022 and the years to follow. With that, we will now take your questions.

Operator

Thank you, sir. If you'd like to ask a question, please signal at this time by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please make sure that your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Once again, that is star one, if you'd like to ask a question. We'll take our first question from Devin Ryan with JMP Securities.

Devin Ryan
Managing Director, JMP Securities

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. How are you?

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Good morning, Devin. We're fine, thank you.

Devin Ryan
Managing Director, JMP Securities

Great. First question, just on kind of the broader outlook. So I appreciate all the new guidance, you know, across all the different businesses. You know, it sounded, you know, pretty similar to the commentary you guys gave with the fourth quarter call. Clearly, you know, the macro backdrop has been pretty choppy since then, the Ukraine escalation. So there's been a number of shifts in the backdrop. I'm just curious, you know, are you seeing kind of a change in mix of activity in advisory as an example? You know, are the sectors that are outperforming, is there a shift there that's kind of giving you comfort in that outlook?

Anything else you can kind of provide around more on the Strategic Advisory side that gives you comfort that this should be a year of solid growth against a pretty volatile backdrop with a lot of uncertainty?

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

I appreciate the question. I'd say three months ago we communicated a view of 2022, which had already baked into it an assumption that the world was going to become more complex, markets more volatile, and the macro environment more challenging. I would say that overall, since then, the world is probably a bit more unsettled than we had previously thought. Our view on our full year prospects is equal to, if not slightly more constructive than it was at the beginning of the year. I think that that's really across the board strength. A lot of that is that our advisory business is by and large decoupled from the macro environment. Clearly, at some point, if you know, M&A activity shuts down, it shuts down completely.

If it doesn't shut down, it's much more for us a function of relationships, connectivity, the benefit of previous investment, being able to further support our businesses. We're seeing that strength across the board. You know, of all of the expense variances, the one that I really enjoy seeing is a travel variance. Because the more that people are out on planes, trains, and automobiles, seeing clients engaging, that is good for our business. I think we have benefited from that, Devin.

Devin Ryan
Managing Director, JMP Securities

Yep. Okay, terrific. Just to follow up on the Restructuring side of the business. Yeah, obviously, caught the commentary around kind of a slight increase is the expectation now. You know, I think the market's kind of thinking about just what an abrupt normalization Fed policy means for obviously the macro backdrop and that the big picture question. Just thinking about at a high level, what that could mean for Restructuring activity and any early anecdotes. I appreciate you probably don't wanna get too far out of your skis, and then Restructuring revenues do take time to materialize. It might even be more of a 2023 story if Restructuring starts to pick up. Just, you know, the view on rates has changed in the market in recent months.

Is that the bigger driver, or is it just more a function of you're starting to see some stress in pockets? You know, some color there would be helpful. Thanks.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Sure. Sure, Devin. Look, I think it's a little bit of everything. I think clearly there were companies that were challenged that in more normal markets would have needed to do substantive restructurings in 2021. Just given the extraordinary risk on marketplace, meme stocks, SPACs, an abundance of capital, everyone chasing yield, a lot of those companies were able to sidestep having to restructure balance sheets. That risk on, you know, environment and mentality and mindset is clearly no longer present, certainly to the way or to the extent it was a year ago. Companies that were able to do amend and extends and the like, and kick the can down the road or to raise, you know, fresh equity, that sort of path is increasingly being blocked. You have that.

On top of it, with companies that operate with relatively thin margins, it's the confluence of rising interest rates, inflationary pressures, commodity costs, labor costs, supply chain disruptions, and if you're dealing with relatively thin margins to begin with, that puts pressure on companies. You know, at some point, we'll have to see as the Fed tries to, you know, take all of this liquidity out of the marketplace and tries to tamp down inflation. You know, the question is gonna be, can they do that and get us to a safe landing? You know, is there some potential that we'll hit a true contraction from a macroeconomic perspective? If we then do that and demand dries up for a lot of these companies, you'll see another wave.

If you just look at, you know, the way high yield credit is trading. You know, you're seeing, you know, a lot of pressure, but not enough to move them from some pressured credits to really troubled credits. I think the stress is still early and I wouldn't begin to suggest when we might see a step function change. What I am comfortable with is that we've sort of bottomed out in terms of restructuring activity. We, as a firm, have been quite successful in securing a significant number of mandates recently. I just think the tenor of our business is more constructive today than it was three months ago and certainly relative to the middle of last year.

Devin Ryan
Managing Director, JMP Securities

Great. Okay. Good color. Thanks, Paul. Appreciate it.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Sure. Thank you, Devin.

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of James Yaro with Goldman Sachs.

James Yaro
VP of Equity Research, Goldman Sachs

Hey, thanks a lot for taking my questions. We obviously saw record moves in interest rates in the first quarter, and rates have moved further in the second quarter. How, if at all, is this impacting your Strategic Advisory dialogue? If not, at what level of rates would you sort of expect this to become more of a dampening effect on that side of the business?

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Rates are still quite low from, you know, any historic perspective. Really the issue is, you know, whether or not companies can finance transactions. I think there's an enormous amount of capital in the marketplace. It's just that the cost has gone up. At the same time, you've seen some pressure on equity values and the like, so it's not all a one-way trade. I think the bigger issue is really just uncertainty and volatility. If you look at Europe, I think with you know, as we had said previously with elections in France, and now there'll be additional elections in France. I think there are a lot of companies who are waiting to look at the broader political landscape.

There have been various points in time when it looks as if the attack on Ukraine would continue to escalate. At other points in time, there's been some hopeful signs of progress. I think until the world sort of settles out, it's gonna put, you know, a bit of a damper. I don't think that the level of rates today or the ability to secure financing is having a chilling effect on activity. I think it's just raising the bar a little bit, and there are a lot of companies who are gonna need to transact from a strategic perspective who might find the current environment not as welcoming as where it was, you know, a year ago. You're still seeing a lot of transactions across industries, geographies, sizes.

I'm not really able to tell you exactly formulaically when the market, you know, shuts down, but I think at this point in time, we're not anywhere near that. We have taken a bit of a breather from last year's frenetic pace. I think it's important to just look at the sheer volume of activity last year and the fact that we're, with all of this volatility and with all this uncertainty and with this move in rates, the way we look at it, the M&A global market volumes are down about 15% year to date. That to me shows, you know, quite a bit of health in the system.

James Yaro
VP of Equity Research, Goldman Sachs

Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Maybe if we do enter a more prolonged period of weaker economic growth, you obviously have a lot of durability across your business, largely from Restructuring, and we saw this, you know, sort of play out in 2020. Maybe if you could just talk about, you know, if we did enter that sort of, you know, prolonged economic downturn, is that an opportunity for you to grow, you know, more quickly in terms of hiring? And then, you know, would that, you know, given your relative strength versus more, you know, perhaps Strategic Advisory skewed firms, would it make it more attractive for you to do more, you know, inorganic type, you know, activity?

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Well, look, on the hiring side, we're a growth company. We see enormous growth opportunities. We're gonna continue to grow, but we're not gonna chase growth. So we are a destination for talent and all of the talent that fits our culture that can add to our capabilities, we're all in. That's never been the issue, and we're gonna continue to grow. As we've said consistently, when you're trying to recruit and everyone is locked down in a COVID sequestration and they're all from home, it's far more difficult than when you can get people in person, face-to-face, and let them, you know, walk the halls and really feel how special our firm is.

As the COVID lockdown and the work from home, you know, recedes and we get back closer to the old normal, that's gonna benefit us from a recruiting perspective, and we've already seen that. The other thing is when you're talking to best-in-class investment bankers and they're dealing with a tsunami of deals because 2021 is the height of activity, it's difficult for those individuals to really extricate themselves from all of their client entanglements. What we've also said is that perversely, if the market slows down a little bit and bankers catch their breath, it's easier for us to have those substantive conversations and the switching costs go down. The way we see it, all of those sight lines are positioning us to be able to pick up our recruiting momentum because of that confluence of events.

When we think about where we can add best-in-class talent, it's really across the firm. There's no doubt a disproportionate amount's gonna be in Strategic Advisory, but in our Park Hill and Restructuring businesses, there's always opportunities for us to add best-in-class individuals. As it relates to acquisitions and the like, I've been quite consistent, which is if you can find the right ones that are, you know, simpatico with the culture and bring the right incremental capabilities and are not duplicative, it's a wonderful thing. They're just very difficult to find. We have a high bar for those, always.

James Yaro
VP of Equity Research, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Thank you.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Chubak with Wolfe Research.

Brendan O'Brien
Senior Associate, Wolfe Research

Good morning, Paul. This is Brendan O'Brien filling in for Steven. So on the sponsors, while your firm is viewed as being more reliant on large cap strategic M&A, recent trends suggest that you've had a lot of success winning deals among current sponsors. Can you speak to the strength of your sponsor franchise and whether the recent wins within the space is something we should anticipate more of going forward? Maybe provide a bit of color on your strategy for growth there.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Sure. Well, first of all, I've always said that there are two types of firms. There are firms that do large deals and small deals, and there are firms that just do small deals. Just because you do large deals does not mean you do not do smaller deals. There's always a reason why you wanna be able to follow your clients. It may be to have insights into new technologies. If you're a fintech banker, by definition, you're looking at the next generation disruptors. If you're a med tech banker, a life sciences banker, by definition, you're looking for the next company that's gonna be able to sort of change the lives of people from a drug discovery perspective.

You always need to be going up and down, but there are only certain firms that have the confidence of the largest, most sophisticated companies to do the largest and most complex transactions. That's the space that we seek to occupy is to be called upon to do the largest, most complex, most sophisticated transactions, but also to be able to find opportunities and to follow our clients regardless of transaction size. As it relates to financial sponsors, what we've consistently said is we're on a journey, and every day that goes by, we strengthen our firm by adding more capabilities. We have more domain expertise. We have more capabilities. We have more ways in which we can serve clients, and we have a lot of incumbent strengths as it relates to financial sponsors.

We have our Park Hill business, which touches an enormous number of alternatives, GPs. We have a leading Restructuring practice who spends a lot of time dealing with highly leveraged situations, and sponsors have a disproportionate number of portfolio companies with leveraged capitalizations. We have deep domain expertise in many industries, and as a result, that, you know, creates a compelling reason for sponsors to wanna talk to our bankers. We have a significant initiative in direct lending, which is another reason. Every day that goes by, we do more of that. I've always seen sponsors as being an ever-increasing part of our practice, and it's just part of the journey.

you know, I wouldn't monitor it too much quarter to quarter, but I am quite confident that over time, you know, our balance of business between corporates and sponsors will look a lot more like the way the overall market breakdown is between corporates and sponsors.

Brendan O'Brien
Senior Associate, Wolfe Research

That's great color. Thanks for that, Paul. As a follow-up, as you noted, the conflict in Ukraine is having an impact on activity across all geographies, but it feels like Europe has been more severely impacted given its closer proximity and heavier reliance on Russian exports. I was hoping you can discuss what you're seeing in terms of activity within the region on both a standalone basis and relative to the U.S. across both strategic and sponsor M&A, and maybe a little bit of a compare and contrast on the Restructuring side as well.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

be delighted to. Look, the reality is that the statistics are not that different. If you look at, you know, this down 15% in activity levels globally year to date, the way we measure it, and we look at it ex SPACs, because I've always questioned whether, you know, SPAC transactions are really another form of IPO, whether they're really true M&A business. If you look at it that way, we see the market as being down about 15%. There's no doubt that the U.S. has been strongest. Europe has not been that much weaker, and it's really rest of world. Clearly, you know, Asia has been the most challenged during that time. I think there are real pockets of strength in Europe. I think the U.K. continues to be a significant opportunity.

I think there is a very significant number of compelling investment opportunities in the U.K. Sponsors are increasingly focused on, you know, smaller and mid-sized companies in the U.K. because they afford compelling valuations, and there continues to be a valuation disconnect between the way companies are valued there and the way they're valued in the U.S. That's probably where you're seeing the greatest strength. I think the election results in France are a positive for some renewed you know strategic activity in France. I think you know it's just gonna be very much you know dependent upon you know how all of these sanctions play out whether there's any escalation or whether we can hopefully get an end to this horrific conflict in the near term.

I'm not ready to tell you exactly what the outlook is, but no doubt, 'cause no one knows. I think, you know, no doubt that the further you are from Europe, the more insulated you are. I think China has its own issues, but there are certainly, you know, significant pockets of activity in Europe. I'd also make the point that when we talk about our firm, you know, we're still a much smaller firm, and we're really not dependent on macro trends or themes. We're truly building our firm and our franchise one client at a time, and we continue to be quite optimistic about, you know, our progress in Europe, notwithstanding the overall macro environment. That's what makes our firm so different and so special.

Brendan O'Brien
Senior Associate, Wolfe Research

Great. That's great color. Thanks for taking the question.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Thank you.

Operator

The next question will come from Jeff Harte with Piper Sandler.

Jeff Harte
Senior Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Good morning. Congrats on a good quarter. A couple of follow-ups. A lot has been asked. When it comes to Restructuring, you mentioned maybe things looking a little better, and also the higher revenues kind of driving a lot of the year-over-year growth in advisory. I'm assuming the higher revenues are kind of completions of deals that were already in the works as opposed to kind of revenues coming from new mandates. Is that the right way to think of it?

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Well, in the quarter, I'm sure that, you know, there was relatively little revenue in the quarter that came in the door and was executed in the quarter. There's some of that, but that's why, you know, when we think about the health of our business, we're always looking at our pipelines and our mandate counts and the like. That is correct. Most of the first quarter, you know, came in before, but some of it not that much before.

Jeff Harte
Senior Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Okay. As we think when you talked about maybe 2023 being a little better than 2021, that's on a revenue basis, or are you kind of looking at activity levels, figuring all the revenues may take longer to show up?

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

I'm sorry, you mean 2022?

Jeff Harte
Senior Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Yeah, sorry. Yeah. To pretend 2022 maybe being slightly better than 2021 for you guys in financial restructuring. Are you referring to revenues or to mandates and kind of activity levels?

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Revenues.

Jeff Harte
Senior Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Okay. That's what I thought. Finally, when we look at expenses, as long as growth keeps coming, that's great. It seems like it's gonna keep coming. If we actually tip into a recession and things really stop on the M&A front, is there a kind of floor dollar amount or a fixed portion of compensation we should kind of be thinking about?

Helen Meates
CFO, PJT Partners

Hey, Jeff. It's Helen. I would say it's hard to say what a floor dollar amount is, because as the fixed component of our cost base does grow. One good example would be occupancy, where it's relatively fixed, but there is some small relative investment. But we think of our cost base as being roughly 60% fixed or fixed like, and that we've always said we think grows more slowly than the variable expense. We would assume that base stayed in place.

Jeff Harte
Senior Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

All right, your next question comes from the line of Michael Brown with KBW.

Michael Brown
Equity Research Analyst, KBW

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Sure. Good morning.

Michael Brown
Equity Research Analyst, KBW

Paul, I wanted to narrow in on the restructuring cycle here as we, you know, perhaps start a new cycle this year. How do you anticipate the early part of the Restructuring cycle to perform? Should we expect to see a rise in bankruptcies? Is that when the cycle will officially start to contribute to your business? Or would you expect to see a lot more, you know, non-traditional restructuring activity that could start to come through before traditional bankruptcies rise? And maybe just to follow up on the restructuring, how is your business in China? Have you guys been working on any of the mandates there related to the Chinese property sector?

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

I don't like to talk about specific situations. What I will say is we, if you look at our, you know, history of transactions, you'll see that while we have a very small presence in, you know, mainland China, we do have an office in Hong Kong. We have represented, you know, companies in the region, and we do have, you know, significant access capabilities and the like. So we're certainly mindful of that opportunity, but it has not been, you know, an opportunity that we've committed enormous, you know, onshore presence to. We've done this all sort of offshore, but we do have a leading Restructuring practice with a lot of experience working with companies in the region and have significant expertise.

Obviously there are many of those situations that have, you know, a creditor side to it where you're dealing really with global credit funds and the like. That's probably the best way to talk about that. On the Restructuring side, I think there's really two things. If there's a shock, a true shock to the system, then everything is in play. That's what we saw in March and April of 2020. We're not there, and we're not close to that. At some point we may be, but we are not close to that.

What we are seeing is really getting back to a more normal normal, because 2021 was not a more normal normal, because there were just, you know, so many pockets of capital, so many folks chasing growth and yield that a lot of companies who should have been restructured in a more traditional environment were able to avoid it. When we think about stress in the system, you know, one of the best, you know, early indicators is just to look at, you know, high yield debt trading levels and to see, you know, how the market is trading a lot of these credits. What you're seeing is, you know, there are more companies that are pressured today, but there are still a very, very few number that are trading as broken credits.

That's probably the single best, you know, early indicator of where the market is going. In that environment, you know, we spend a lot of time looking to restructure companies out of court and, you know, use our financial strengths and skills to do that. We have a balance of capabilities. It also is a function of which region of the globe, because, you know, it's really the U.S. has its unique Chapter 11 proceedings, but there are plenty of other ways to resolve, you know, credit situations, in a negotiated manner. You should expect to see us in all of those elements. There are a lot of companies who are now at least prepared to have a conversation on liability management when it would not have, you know, been deemed to be pressing a year ago.

That just brings in a whole nother list of capabilities from our firm. I think this is something where it's gonna take a while for the pot to simmer and potentially boil. What's really more important to us is last year we simply experienced, you know, the retreat all the way back to pre-COVID levels from the enormous COVID activity. What we've done is we have, you know, been able to put a floor under the 2021 activity level. As we no longer have that headwind, I think the strength of our other businesses, which was really the case in 2021, but it was obscured by the pullback in restructuring, that's increasingly shining through. You're now being able to see because you no longer have the restructuring headwinds.

You're seeing the core underlying strength in our Park Hill business, our Camberview business, our Strategic Advisory business. On top of that, I suspect there'll be a moment in time where the Restructuring, you know, activity level spikes, you know, appreciably. We're not there yet, and I am not, you know, even close to suggesting that that's in the near term.

Michael Brown
Equity Research Analyst, KBW

Okay, got it. Thanks. Thanks, Paul. That was a really helpful color. Maybe just one last one for me on the placement business. You know, this quarter you talked about the fact that the fund placement revenues were the real contributor, and the corporate placement activity was a bit lighter versus the prior year. When you think about the placement business and the outlook for the rest of the year, is it fair to expect that that's gonna be the right mix here? I'm assuming that that's a reflection of the SPAC market and the outlook there versus 2021. Just one other follow-up on that. Can you remind us of the seasonality in that business?

It looks like the second quarter is usually a bit slower off of the first quarter when I look back over a couple of years with you know a stronger year-end for that business. So just wanted to check to see if that's the right way to think about the revenue seasonality.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Well, just as I continue to remind folks, this placement versus advisory demarcation is increasingly less relevant in understanding our firm because the placement has got Strategic Advisory and Park Hill in it, and advisory has Strategic Advisory and Park Hill in it. It's really not a direct representative of either because parts of both of those businesses get booked in both placement and advisory and therefore the splits are something we spend increasingly less time on. If you ask me about the Park Hill business, to the extent there is seasonality in the Park Hill business, it tends to be in Q4 because there's, you know, a little bit more momentum, you know, to not have closings necessarily. It's one thing to have a closing roll from Q1 to Q2 or Q3 to Q4.

There tends to be more of a forcing function to have it close in the year. Other than that, there's really no other observed seasonality.

Michael Brown
Equity Research Analyst, KBW

Okay, great. Thanks, Paul. Thanks for taking my questions.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

Sure. Thank you, Mike.

Michael Brown
Equity Research Analyst, KBW

And, um-

Operator

Yes, that was our final question. I'd like to now turn it back over to Mr. Paul Taubman for his closing remarks.

Paul Taubman
Chairman and CEO, PJT Partners

I gather there may have been a little bit of static on this call, which I can only apologize for. I again appreciate everyone's time and attention and interest in our company. We'll get back at it in three months. I wish everyone a good day, and we'll be speaking soon. Thank you.

Operator

That does conclude today's conference. We thank everyone again for their participation.

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