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Earnings Call: Q4 2021

Dec 8, 2021

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Photronics Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one on your telephone. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded Wednesday, December 8, 2021. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Jordan, Executive Vice President and CFO.

John Jordan
EVP and CFO, Photronics

Thank you, Shannon. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our review of Photronics Fiscal Year 2021 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Financial Results. Joining me this morning are Peter Kirlin, our Chief Executive Officer, and Chris Progler, our Chief Technology Officer. The press release we issued earlier this morning, along with the presentation material which accompanies our remarks, are available on the investor relations section of our webpage. Comments made by any participants on today's call may include forward-looking statements that include such words as anticipate, believe, estimate, expect, forecast, in our view. These forward-looking statements are based upon a number of risks, uncertainties, and other factors that are difficult to predict. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied, and we assume no obligation to update any forward-looking information. At this time, I will turn the call over to Peter.

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. We ended 2021 with accelerating momentum in a market environment of robust design activity from our diverse customer base. In addition, we strategically expanded capacity in 2021, most notably in display with the addition of three new large Generation 8 tools. These factors, among others, enable us to deliver another quarter and year of record revenues across the business, including both IC and FPD. This is our fourth consecutive year of record revenue, demonstrating our ability to drive our top line up the entirety of a semiconductor industry cycle. These increasing levels of performance have been made possible by the efforts of the entire team to provide outstanding customer service, coupled with solid investments in the right technology in the proper location to position us to win in the marketplace.

In addition to growing the top line, we expanded margins during the quarter. This was driven by operating leverage, the ability to realize higher prices in mainstream products from the present focus on cost reductions. It was just one year ago in December, when we communicated our long-term target model, the gross margins in the high 20s and operating margins in the high teens. Today, we are already operating in the upper end of that model. While we recognize the need to improve, we're extremely pleased with the progress that we have made and even more excited about what is possible going forward. Cash flow was strong for the quarter and the year, enabled us to maintain a strong balance sheet while investing in organic growth and returning cash to shareholders.

Since initiating our first share repurchase program in 2018, we have brought back $128 million of shares, reducing our share count by approximately 12 million, a testament to our commitment to creating shareholder value. Making targeted investments that improve our return on capital is one of the key factors contributing to our success outside of strong end market demand and great execution by our entire team. Our investment philosophy is built upon aligning operations and technology with specific market trends and ensuring that every decision to invest is backed by customer commitments. This approach mitigates risk, enables us to quickly ramp new tools to volume production, which helps to ensure we deliver required returns. Work remains to be done to further improve return on invested capital, but we are very encouraged by our progress.

Over the last few years, our investment strategies have been focused on mounting a geographic expansion into China while exploiting the technology inflection from LCD to AMOLED in advanced mobile displays. Beyond these longer-term secular trends, we are now capitalizing on another rapidly growing sector in the IC market, mainly in China and Southeast Asia, that is now being referred to throughout the industry as, you know, I would say in quotes, "Legacy Foundry." We have been speaking about this for the last several quarters as growing demand for masks versus relatively fixed supply has placed pressure on capacity, providing us with very rare pricing leverage. These photomask technologies have been in production for many years, with a particular focus on the advanced end of the mainstream, a range that spans roughly from 40-90 nanometers.

Demand for these nodes is tight across the entire photomask industry for us as well as for our competitors, while at the same time, more and more IC capacity is being installed, which leads us to conclude the favorable pricing will be sustainable. Demand is particularly strong in China and Taiwan. Along with our JV partner, we are investing now in the expansion of our facility in Taiwan while adding capacity across the region to meet this growing demand. We believe this is a unique opportunity that will play out over the next several years, and we are positioning ourselves to capture the lion's share of the growth that we see in this segment. We see several drivers of growth in the Legacy Foundry sector.

First, on the demand side, Moore's Law has essentially come to a halt for most logic applications, with 20 nanometer being the last node where incremental economic benefit was achieved by moving to the next smaller node. There are very few applications that justify the cost to design, develop, and manufacture at the very leading edge of 10 nanometer and below. For most applications, older technologies do the job effectively, including automotive, industrial applications, and the ubiquitous Internet of Things. This has created a renewed drive to install more semiconductor capacity at the mature nodes. As the chip market leads, the photo mask market follows, as more and more customers are now differentiating their products based on design rather than next node technology. This is very exciting for a mask maker as we believe we are witnessing the effective rebirth of the ASIC market.

Second, the development of the semiconductor ecosystem in China, spurred by that government's 2025 strategic goals, has caused significant investment in chip capacity at these mainstream nodes. Since our decision five years ago to expand our operations into China, working closely with our JV partner, we have built a sizable business there with leading market share. Revenue shift into China is presently at a trailing 12-month run rate of $250 million. This momentum positions us well to continue growing in this important country. Finally, the market growth within mainstream nodes is sustainable due to growing nationalism within the semiconductor industry. After navigating the external shocks of trade agreements and lockdowns, companies are rethinking their reliance on manufacturing in other countries, which is driving renewed investment in domestic chip manufacturing.

We have seen this in Asia, and are now seeing it in the U.S. and Europe. In fact, the supply-demand inversion that led to pricing strength in Asia is now being replicated in Europe, and we are beginning to take pricing action in this region as well. While our European business is much smaller than Asia, it is more biased towards the mainstream, and we anticipate pricing actions will raise sales and margins in this region as well. In summary, there are several catalysts across our business to drive sustainable growth of photomask demand for both IC and FPD well into the future. We have made investment decisions in the past that enabled us to benefit from these trends, propelling us to the outstanding performance we achieved in the fourth quarter and throughout the full year of 2021.

We have the widest range of technology and unparalleled global footprint that enables us to respond quickly to dynamic market and any customer request. Record revenue, expanding margins, and strong cash flow position us to continue to make prudent investments that we believe will allow continued growth. I am very proud of the entire team and what we were able to achieve this year, and I'm optimistic that 2022 will be even better. At this time, I will turn the call over to John.

John Jordan
EVP and CFO, Photronics

Thank you, Peter, and good morning again. Record fourth quarter revenue of $181 million was driven by the same enablers we've seen throughout 2021. Strong demand, growth in new designs for semiconductors and displays that are enabled by our leading technology, unparalleled geographic presence, and strategic investments to expand capacity. Fourth quarter revenue improved 6% sequentially and 21% compared with last year. Demand strength was broad-based, including both IC and FPD, and across both mainstream and high-end products. Both IC and FPD also posted record revenues for Q4 and the full year. In IC, the high-end business grew primarily from logic demand from major foundries. Memory demand remained fairly stable. In the mainstream, revenue increase was driven by the demand profile that Peter commented on and the pricing actions we've enacted since earlier last year.

We believe these market trends are sustainable and expect to continue IC growth with more investments planned in 2022. FPD strength was driven by displays for mobile applications as well as a recovery in mainstream LCD demand. We've stated before that the LCD photomask market was soft as customers focused on mass producing existing products to ship into their strong display markets, thus were not releasing new products. We saw this trend start to shift in the fourth quarter as panel makers began to introduce new product designs to maintain or expand market share. This recovery, together with continued strength in mobile displays and the full year benefit of our tools installed during 2021, instills confidence that 2022 will be another record year for FPD revenue.

Demand for products shipped into China was strong, again setting a record in Q4 and for the full year. On a consolidated basis, China now represents 37% of our total revenue. In FPD, photomask demand in China continues to increase as panel makers look to expand their presence in the global market. IC sales to China customers are driven primarily by the high end of the mainstream technology, and we've established a market-leading position in that merchant-dominant region. Margin expansion in the quarter enabled us to deliver the best gross and operating margin since before we began repositioning the business in 2016. Gross margin of 28.7% and operating margin of 18.5% position us solidly within the upper end of the three-year target model we presented about a year ago at our Investor Day.

Achievement of these margins results from technology leadership, consistent, reliable delivery, constant focus on cost reduction, and insistence on disciplined expense control. While we're encouraged by this performance, we recognize the need to execute consistently, and we expect to be able to continue generating gross and operating margins in the target ranges. Below the operating income line, other income increased due primarily to unrealized foreign exchange gains, primarily from remeasurement of monetary assets and liabilities at our international locations. The income tax provision increase was consistent with the increase in earnings, and the net income to non-controlling interest increased with the strong performance of our joint ventures in China and Taiwan. Earnings per diluted share was $0.33 for the quarter and $0.89 for the year, with $61 million and $62 million diluted shares outstanding, respectively.

Cash and equivalents were $277 million at the end of the fiscal year. We have $112 million in debt and net cash of $165 million. Our balance sheet has remained strong throughout the year, and as we discussed earlier in the year, debt increased from two low-interest rate equipment leases and equipment purchases in China. Operating cash flow was $38 million in the fourth quarter, bringing full-year operating cash flow to $151 million, 5% better than last year. Capital expenditures of $17 million in the quarter brought the full-year CapEx total to $103 million, net of nearly $6 million in subsidies received and slightly below previous projections as some payments were deferred into 2022.

During fiscal 2022, we expect to spend about $100 million in CapEx for point tools to supplement and expand existing mainstream IC capacity and for initial deposits on tools for delivery in fiscal 2023. We believe our capital allocation strategy is having a tangible impact on shareholder value. We again spent $12.5 million in the fourth quarter repurchasing 937,000 shares of our stock, which brought total repurchases for the year to 3.9 million shares for $48 million. Cumulatively, we've spent $66 million of the current $100 million authorization. As Peter mentioned, we've repurchased an aggregate of 11.8 million shares for $127.5 million since we began the repurchase initiative.

Total shares eliminated from the diluted share count, if we include repayment of the convertible issues, is over 22 million shares for an aggregate of $242 million. We believe there's significant value in PLAB equity, and we plan to continue buying under this authorization. Before I provide first quarter guidance, I'll remind you that our visibility is always limited, as our backlog is typically only one to three weeks, and demand for some of our products is inherently uneven and difficult to predict. Additionally, the ASPs for high-end mask sets are high, and as this segment of the business grows, a relatively low number of high-end orders can have a significant impact on our quarterly revenue and earnings. Given those caveats, we expect first quarter revenue to be in the range of $178 million-$186 million.

Photronics fiscal first quarter is normally a slower quarter due to seasonality. As we've discussed throughout our commentary, end market demand factors are favorable across both IC and FPD, and we expect them to continue into 2022. Thus, we're expecting the strong demand to more than offset the seasonal weakness and contribute to a stronger first quarter and carry through the remainder of the year for another strong single-digit annual revenue increase. Based on those revenue expectations and our current operating model, we estimate earnings per share in the first quarter to be in the range of $0.27-$0.34 per diluted share. We delivered better results than expectations in Q4, and the entire organization performed well in an environment that remains challenging.

That performance is a testament to the soundness of our operating model, the strength of our customer and industry relationships, the resilience of our employees, and our disciplined cost management. We're encouraged that we've brought the operations to this level, and we believe that as we embark on our 2022 fiscal year, we are well-positioned to continue our consistent execution and deliver another great year. Thanks very much for your interest in Photronics. I will now turn the call over to the operator for your questions.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Patrick Ho with Stifel. Your line is open.

Brian Chin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst of Semiconductor Capital Equipment, Stifel

Hi there. Good morning. This is Brian on for Patrick. Congratulations on the execution results, and thanks for letting us ask a few questions. Maybe the first question, clearly the mainstream IC photomask revenue is very strong QoQ. Can you just maybe first break out how much of that sequential increase was attributable to volume versus pricing, which seems to be having a significant effect on revenue and gross margins?

John Jordan
EVP and CFO, Photronics

Yeah, I think we've commented on that in the past, Brian. We've got about two margin points out of price increases compared to prior to when we started increasing prices. You can calculate that difference.

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

Yeah, I would also point out I've been here 14 years. The mainstream business over that period has maybe vacillated between $265 million at the top end and $240 million on the bottom. You know, last year, you know, we had $300 million in revenue in the mainstream segment, which is 20% up year-over-year. We exited the year, as you pointed out, at a $325 million run rate.

Brian Chin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst of Semiconductor Capital Equipment, Stifel

Yes, for sure. I guess, you know, thinking about just the fiscal 1Q January guidance, what's the potential for further IC photomask increases in Europe, what kind of favorable benefit do you think could materialize in the fiscal first quarter on the gross margins?

John Jordan
EVP and CFO, Photronics

We'll see. We expect them to stay essentially the same. Revenue increase and the margin difference will probably stay pretty similar. As we are increasing prices, as we mentioned, in the other geographies, the revenue will increase and the difference in margin will stay right around the same.

Brian Chin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst of Semiconductor Capital Equipment, Stifel

Okay.

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

As far as the market is concerned, you know, you're too young to remember the ASIC business. But when I was, you know, young, the ASIC business, the photomask content to the ASIC business when companies like LSI Logic were going great guns, it's about 3% of IC revenue. It was the best market for a mask maker. Moore's Law and FPGAs basically destroyed the ASIC business over many years.

Given the fact that the economic paradigm that was part of Moore's Law has derailed, what we see happening and what people now call legacy foundry is really ASIC market rebounding because it doesn't make economic sense to put more of those transistors on that very expensive dying Moore. For us, this is great because if it has a photomask revenue dollar content per silicon dollar content that's similar to what we saw before, there's a lot of photomask revenue leverage in legacy foundry.

John Jordan
EVP and CFO, Photronics

I think the key takeaway from this, Brian, is essentially a change in the paradigm where the pricing environment is really gonna be sustained over at least, you know, medium term. I think our margins show that benefit, and will continue to show that.

Brian Chin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst of Semiconductor Capital Equipment, Stifel

Got it. I think your fiscal 2022 CapEx is somewhat flattish relative to what the fiscal 2021 was. You did add three FPD tools last year. This year, given sort of the dynamics in fiscal 2022, do you expect that to shift that more towards IC relative to FPD? Any other color you can provide on sort of what tools and where you're placing them on the IC side.

John Jordan
EVP and CFO, Photronics

Yeah. I think we mentioned that during the comments. The tools are designed to supplement the existing capacity in several locations. In IC and then some significant deposits for tools, again, IC tools that we expect to have delivered and ramp up in fiscal 2023.

Brian Chin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst of Semiconductor Capital Equipment, Stifel

Great.

John Jordan
EVP and CFO, Photronics

It's not any one location where we can say we're adding a major tool and major capacity. We're kind of putting in tools that are necessary to get the full benefit out of existing tools. Where we may be limited with inspection capacity for one of our lithography tools, we need more inspection capacity, so we would add that and optimize the production out of the lithography tool.

Brian Chin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst of Semiconductor Capital Equipment, Stifel

Got it. Yeah. Maybe one last one. It doesn't seem apparent based on the results, but did you see any disruptions, direct or indirect, in the quarter, not only from supply chain, but really in particular the power outages that are occurring in China, and how does that sort of factor into your outlook as well?

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

Yeah. As far as the supply chain, material supply chain is concerned, you know, we, like everybody else, you know, had issues with, you know, local suppliers. Unlike most others, we have a global footprint, so if we had a problem with a supplier in Asia, you know, we reacted to that problem with a supplier, existing supplier in the U.S. or Europe, for example, just to give an example. The supply chain, even though there was disruptions, they didn't disrupt our business.

Likewise, if you look at the rolling, you know, outages in China, you know, we cannot afford to have our operations, you know, go down. We have our own backup power generation as part of our standard, you know, facility, you know, package, so to speak. As a result of that, we have been able to manage wherever others have struggled. The answer is absolutely not, no disruption. None.

Brian Chin
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst of Semiconductor Capital Equipment, Stifel

Okay. Great. Thank you.

John Jordan
EVP and CFO, Photronics

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question at this time, please press star then one on your touchtone telephone. Our next question comes from Tom Diffely with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Tom Diffely
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Yeah, good morning, and congratulations on especially a great outlook during the seasonally weak January quarter. Peter, I am old enough to remember the ASIC market back in the 1990s and early 2000s, and it was the heyday for your business, and hopefully we return there. On the mainstream business, I'm curious, you know, in the past we've talked about how the pricing there did not support the addition of new tools. Has that dynamic changed, and can you now buy new tools to economically support the mainstream business?

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

Yeah. To be, you know, clear, the answer is we still cannot, with the current pricing, install, you know, new lines to support the, you know, mainstream demand. That's one of the reasons, you know, why, you know, we're reasonably optimistic the pricing, the market pricing environment is going to stay strong.

What you can do, and you know, our CapEx plan this year is, you know, as John described it, we're sprinkling, you know, lithography or inspection tools around our global network, most of them admittedly are in Asia, but not all of them, to try to take advantage of, you know, the installed tool set to just add an incremental bump up, where the price of, as I said, is either inspection or lithography, given the other tools that are already in place makes the, you know, allows the tool to hit our hurdle rate for return on invested capital. This is a dynamic situation. Pricing does not support, you know, full up, full lines, but it does support, in almost every factory we have, one or two tools to maximize the value of what we already got. That's what we're doing.

Never seen a year like this. Never seen a year where there's no high-end tools bought, 'cause there's not going to be. It's really, you know, sprinkle the foo-foo dust, you know, everywhere you can to maximize the sparkle.

Tom Diffely
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

All right. I mean

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

All right.

Tom Diffely
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

In a sense, it sounds like that's kind of good news in the sense that, you know, you don't see a big surge of new capacity being added on the mainstream side, which would hurt the dynamics over time. It sounds like it's gonna remain of this limited capacity and hopefully good pricing environment for some time to come.

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

Yeah. Eventually, of course, if price goes up and up and up, which would be a great thing, there'll be a dynamic where, you know, new lines make economic sense, and that will be different for, you know, how we look at that versus a competitor looks at that, of course, will be similar but not the same. I think we're still, unless they have a different set of tool suppliers than we do, we're still quite a ways, you know, from that point. As I said, our mainstream business, you know, year over year, you know, grew, you know, 25%, and we're at a rate that's considerably above that in the fourth quarter.

There's you know there is a lot of growth, and when you listen to companies like Applied, when they tell you that they're now selling more 8-inch capacity in a quarter than they did at the heyday of the 200-millimeter expansion, it's pretty clear that there's a lot of capacity that's going to be installed. I think this has taken you know even very seasoned industry executives you know by surprise. It's the fact that the economic power of Moore's Law has been derailed. What was going on for years, what ate out the ASIC market, as you know, is hey that function was consolidated on you know a die that had three others because the silicon was almost free.

Tom Diffely
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Yep.

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

Not true. It's not true. Where this goes, I think nobody really has a real clear picture. It is what is clear, and I was talking to someone this morning, is this segment of our business is going to grow, and it's gonna grow materially. This is great for a mask maker because as I said earlier, you know, the mask content of ASICs was always by far the best in any product line, the best.

Tom Diffely
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

All right. No, that makes a lot of sense. My second question on the mainstream business is, you know, where are you seeing the particular strength? Is it just broad-based across all categories, or is it really the rise of some of these new segments like power and EVs that is really driving the growth? Because you talk to the equipment guys, they're seeing power EV as the big driver for-

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

Yep.

Tom Diffely
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

incremental equipment purchases. Kind of curious what your trends are?

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

No, you know, those are very strong sectors, you know, for us as well, right? Because as I said in my prepared remarks, it's very clear, you know, where silicon goes, photomask follows. The other good, great thing about EVs is, boy, the display content in those is something special. Something special.

Tom Diffely
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Yeah.

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

Not only does it help our IT business, which we're talking a lot about, but it's fabulous for our display business, which had a new record last quarter. As John Jordan said, we expect another record in Q1. That business is screaming now.

Tom Diffely
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Okay. Maybe the final question for Chris, what are you seeing on the technology side for flat panel? Is it really the move between mainstream or I should say LCD and OLED? Or are you starting to see some creep in of Mini-LED Micro-LED? And if so, what is the impact from that on the photomask side?

Chris Progler
EVP and CTO, Photronics

Yeah, thanks, Tom. I would say no disruptive change beyond the trends we've highlighted in the past, which is the gradual pivot of capacity from the LCD type displays to AMOLED. There was a bit of a pause on that in the last year or so because a lot of the panel makers wanted to take advantage of higher LCD display prices, so there was some capacity put into that. Viavi has kind of recovered and the trend to replace a lot of the capacity or add new capacity for AMOLED now continues, and we think that'll continue unabated for the next three to five years. Those displays are more complicated. There's more lithography and mask content in them, as you know, so that's a positive trend. We also see some additional more complex technologies going into TVs.

QNED, there's a bunch of acronyms around them. Most of those drive stronger patterning solutions. A lot of them are based on particularly the Korean panel makers' desire to differentiate their products, so they are moving down a technology roadmap on the TV side as well. It's mostly LCD-based for the very large ones, Generation 8 and above, but they're adding functionality that's requiring more lithography as well. We're seeing a lot of the prototype designs for those, and some are actually hitting the market as well. Last, the Micro-LED is getting a lot of attention. There's a lot of CES consumer electronics show displays with whole Micro-LED. Of course, this technology is a very interesting one for the display people, but still seems quite some way from being used for larger format displays.

The mask content in Micro-LED remains a little bit unclear. One thing that's different about it compared to other displays is it can be, these larger displays can be assembled in kind of modular format. If you wanna make a 100-inch TV, the Micro-LED approach tends to allow you to do that by assembling sub-modules that are smaller. It might not drive substrate size for photomasks. What it does drive, and we're seeing this now, is the circuitry to drive the Micro-LEDs, which was kind of promised to be very, very simple and simple Christmas tree lights, if you will. We're seeing already that promise isn't really accurate, that we're going to need to tune, or the users are gonna need to tune current and voltage. The transistors will be more complicated, we need compensation circuits.

We do think the Micro-LED trend, once it's finally adopted mass production, which is still a ways off for larger displays, will be a positive trend for masks as well. Mini-LED now is used quite widely, as you know. It's taken the LED backlights from dozens to thousands, and that's driven some circuitry enhancements on LCD screens. Most of those are a little bit more lower end sorts of masks and patterning solutions, but it's driven some demand as well. There's definitely a strong technology trajectory for displays. As we see it, most all of them are indicative of more complex lithography and higher value masks.

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

Yeah. Okay. That Chris gave you, Tom, I think a great, you know, answer, and very comprehensive. I'd like to just chime in on the back of that. You know, if you look at, for example, we've made comments before, if you look at rigid AMOLED, a TFT TV, LCD, TFT LCD maybe has six to eight mask levels. Then if you go to rigid AMOLED, it's 12 or 13. Now the most advanced AMOLED displays has maybe 25 or 26 mask levels. Not only is the specification going up, the mask count is going up, which is great for photomask suppliers, right? You know, one particular customer who will go nameless makes big TVs, right?

As Chris made comments, I think they were right on the money, right, on the circuit complexity for Micro-LEDs, not Mini-LED, but micro-LED. Large customer right now, they're assembling, let's say, a 110-inch TV from, say, 50 PCB boards on the back, and it's Christmas tree-like, like Chris described, but not naming them. They have a specific project underway right now to replace those PCBs with LTPS TFTs. Just as is the case with the most complex AMOLED displays, to build this very complex transistor array, which Chris described accurately, requires 25 mask levels. If that market happens to go that way, right, that would be great. We would absolutely love that because it would create high specification and high volume. Will it? Right now, that's clearly going to be too expensive.

If it happens, this will be, you know, very, you know, good for, you know, our display business. Yeah. Early on, but as Chris said, it's very clear if you want the same functionality, the same visual experience out of that large display built with Micro-LEDs, it's gonna be built with mask sets that have complexity that's similar to the most advanced AMOLED, you know, masks that we make. I hope the market goes that way. It'll be great for us.

Tom Diffely
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Great. Well, no, I appreciate all the detail on that, and thank you all for your time this morning.

Chris Progler
EVP and CTO, Photronics

Thank you, Tom.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to Peter Kirlin for closing comments.

Peter Kirlin
CEO, Photronics

Thank you once again for taking time to join us. We appreciate your interest in our company. This is a great time to be associated with Photronics as we continue to raise the bar on our performance by delivering value to our customers, partnering with them to solve all their photomask requirements. At the same time, our financial performance is reaching new highs, and we believe we're on the right path to create more value for our shareholders. We look forward to updating you as we move forward, and we wish all of you and your families a wonderful holiday season.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your line.

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