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Earnings Call: Q4 2023

Feb 22, 2024

Operator

Hello, and welcome to the Perimeter Solutions Q4 and full year 2023 earnings call and webcast. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. You may be placed in the question queue at any time by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Seth Barker, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Seth.

Seth Barker
Head of Investor Relations, Perimeter Solutions

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Perimeter Solutions fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings call. Speaking on today's call are Haitham Khouri, Chief Executive Officer, and Kyle Sable, Chief Financial Officer. We want to remind anyone who may be listening to a replay of this call that all statements made are as of today, February 22, 2024, and these statements have not been, nor will they be updated subsequent to today's call. Also, today's call may contain forward-looking statements. The statements made today are based on management's current expectations, assumptions, and beliefs about our business and the environment in which we operate, and our actual results may materially differ from those expressed or implied on today's call. Please review our SEC filings for a more complete discussion of factors that could impact our results.

The company would also like to advise you that during the call, we will be referring to non-GAAP financial measures, including EBITDA. The reconciliation of and other information regarding these items can be found in our earnings press release and presentation, both of which will be available on our website and on the SEC's website. With that, I will turn the call over to Haitham Khouri, Chief Executive Officer.

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Thank you, Seth. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. As always, I'll start on slide 3 with summary comments on our strategy. As we stated repeatedly, our goal is to deliver private equity-like returns with the liquidity of a public market. We plan to attain this goal by owning, operating, and growing uniquely high-quality businesses. We define uniquely high-quality businesses through the following 5 very specific economic criteria. 1, recurring and predictable revenue streams. 2, long-term secular growth tailwinds. 3, products that account for critical but small portions of larger value streams. 4, significant free cash flow generation with higher returns on tangible capital. And 5, the potential for opportunistic consolidation. We believe that these 5 economic criteria are present at our current businesses, and we use these criteria to evaluate potential new acquisitions.

As described on slide 4, we seek to drive long-term equity value creation by a consistent improvement in our three operational value drivers, which are, 1, profitable new business, 2, continual productivity improvements, and 3, pricing to reflect the value our products and services provide. In addition to our three operational value drivers, we seek to maximize equity value creation through a clear focus on the allocation of our capital as well as the management of our capital structure. Turning now to our financial results on slide 5. 2023 presented challenging demand environments in both our fire safety and specialty products businesses. Starting with fire safety. The 2023 fire season was very mild, with 2.3 million acres burned, ex Alaska.

This represented an almost 50% decrease versus 2022, which itself was a mild season and was almost 60% below the 10-year U.S. average. We believe that the mild 2023 season was primarily driven by idiosyncratic weather events, including record aggregate rainfall and snowpack in some of the most fire-prone regions of the United States in the first half of the year, and unique storm activity during the fire season, including Tropical Storm Hilary in August. Despite the almost 50% year-over-year decline in U.S. acres burned, ex Alaska, 2023 fire safety revenue, Adjusted EBITDA, and Adjusted EBITDA margin were all roughly flat versus 2022. Fire Safety's 2023 financial results outperformed the decline in acres burned, principally due to, first, improved unit economics throughout our retardant business. Second, continued particularly strong performance from our international retardant markets.

And third, continued excellent performance from our suppressants business. We believe that these three positive drivers are the direct result of the rigorous application of our Three Ps operating strategy, which I summarized on slide 4, and which we will continue to drive going forward in all corners of our business, irrespective of end market conditions. Our specialty products business also experienced a weak demand environment in 2023. We believe this was principally driven by inventory destocking activity in the specialty chemical supply chain. This weak demand environment is reflected in our 2023 specialty products financial results. With full-year revenue down 28% and Adjusted EBITDA down 57% versus the prior year. We'll continue to refrain from real-time commentary or timing predictions around the market recovery, though I will reiterate our confidence that demand for our products should recover.

Before moving on from our 2023 financial results, I'll note that while both our businesses experienced weak end markets in 2023, both also reaped the benefits of a couple of years of strong execution on our Three Ps value driver strategy. The resulting 2023 performance establishes a credible base EBITDA in a soft end market scenario. Turning to cash and capital allocation. We repurchased approximately 6.3 million shares in the fourth quarter at an average price of $4.21. We repurchased approximately 12.2 million shares in 2023 at an average price of $5.24. Our board of directors has approved a new $100 million share repurchase authorization, which replaces, excuse me, our prior authorization. Let me spend a moment now on capital allocation more generally.

We're confident that our Three Ps operating strategy will create significant value when applied to the right businesses, as defined by the 5 target economic criteria on slide 3. This confidence is based on the underlying improvement we've delivered in each of our retardants, suppressants, and specialty products businesses over the past 2 years. The improvement in our retardants business is evidenced by Fire Safety's approximately flat 2023 financial performance, despite the almost 60% year-over-year decline in U.S. acres burned ex Alaska versus 2022. The improvement in our suppressants business is evidenced by the fact that we've approximately doubled Adjusted EBITDA margins between 2021 and 2023, and have well more than doubled Adjusted EBITDA dollars over this period. The improvement in our specialty products business is best evidenced by its strong performance in 2022, prior to the aforementioned destock activity.

As enthusiastic as we are about M&A-driven value creation, we are constantly evaluating the IRR trade-off between actionable acquisitions and share repurchases. As evidenced by our actions, in particular, over the latter part of 2023, we've deemed shrinking our share count to prevailing valuations to be the best use of our capital to date. We will continue to constantly evaluate our capital allocation alternatives and expect to deploy all of our excess free cash flow, as well as the incremental leverage capacity we expect to generate through organic EBITDA growth towards the highest IRR combination of M&A, share repurchases, and special dividends. As I've done the last couple of earnings calls, I'll now comment on the competitive environment in our retardant business.

We believe that Perimeter is the gold standard as far as the efficacy and safety of our products, quality of our service, and the passion, dedication, and integrity of our team. Despite a high degree of confidence in our business, we will not fall into the standard incumbent trap of ignoring, dismissing, or minimizing potential competition. We believe that only the paranoid survive, and we take every potential competitive risk, no matter how remote, seriously. Between the clear superiority of our products, services, and people, our competitive spirit, and our ever-vigilant mindset, we believe that we will thrive in any future environment. I'll close by noting that we will refrain from providing annual guidance both for 2024 and as a go-forward policy.

As is hopefully clear from our 2023 results relative to end market conditions, as well as from the commentary around our businesses, we feel good about our prospects and expect to report solid financial results in a normalized demand environment. With that, I'll turn the call over to Kyle.

Kyle Sable
CFO, Perimeter Solutions

Thanks, Haitham. Fourth quarter sales in our fire safety business were $35.4 million, up 81% versus the prior year, and $225.6 million for the full year of 2023, approximately flat versus 2022. Fourth quarter Adjusted EBITDA in our fire safety business was $7 million, up from a loss of $3.9 million the prior year, and $76.2 million for the full year of 2023, down 1% versus 2022. We are pleased with our fire safety results in the fourth quarter, but are mindful of the fact that our fire business's seasonality for the fourth quarter typically generates less than 10% of annual EBITDA, exaggerates small changes in both revenue and profitability.

Approximately half of the improvement in our year-over-year Q4 financial performance was due to our suppressants business and half was due to retardants. The improvement in suppressants was largely driven by strength in fluorine-free foams, aided by our recent MIL-SPEC qualification. While the improvement in retardants was primarily due to strong performance in our international markets and improved unit economics across geographies. Each of these components, be it international growth and retardants, successful new product introductions and suppressants, or improved unit economics across our various fire safety products and services, is the direct result of the rigorous and successful application of our three Ps operating strategy. Fourth quarter sales in our specialty products business were $24.1 million, up 11% versus the prior year, and $96.6 million for the full year, 2023, down 28% versus 2022.

Fourth quarter Adjusted EBITDA in our specialty products business was $4.2 million, down 30% versus the prior year, and $20.6 million for the full year, 2023, down 57% versus 2022. 2023 revenue was impacted by lower volumes due to inventory destock activity. In 2023, EBITDA was impacted by lower volumes, compounded by high fixed costs. Q4 2023 EBITDA margins were below Q4 2022 due to the timing of certain charges and expenses. Moving to the consolidated business. Fourth quarter consolidated sales were $59.5 million, up 44% versus the prior year. Full year 2023 consolidated sales were $322.1 million, down 11% versus 2022. Fourth quarter consolidated Adjusted EBITDA was $11.2 million, up from $2.1 million the prior year.

Full year 2023 consolidated Adjusted EBITDA was $96.8 million, down 23% versus 2022. Substantially all of the year-over-year decline in consolidated revenue, Adjusted EBITDA and Adjusted EBITDA margin is due to what we believe to be destock related volumes in our specialty products business. Moving below Adjusted EBITDA. Interest expense in the fourth quarter was $10.5 million, in line with our quarterly run rate. Full year interest expense was $41.4 million, also in line with our long-term expectations. Depreciation was $2.6 million in Q4, while amortization expense was $13.8 million. Depreciation was $9.8 million for the full year, while amortization expense was $55.1 million. Cash paid for income tax was approximately $5.4 million in Q4 and $26 million for the full year.

CapEx was approximately $2.8 million in Q4 and $9.4 million for the full year. Our long-term expectations for interest expense, depreciation, tax rate, and CapEx are unchanged and summarized on slide 6. Our long-term expectations for net working capital are unchanged as well, although we expect to receive a benefit from working capital in 2024, given our robust inventory position. We ended 2023 with approximately $675 million of senior notes, cash of approximately $47.3 million, and approximately 146.5 million ordinary shares outstanding. With that, I'll hand the call back to the operator for Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to be placed in the question queue, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing star one. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Our first question today is coming from Dan Kutz from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now live.

Daniel Kutz
VP and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hey, thanks. Good morning. So I just wanted to kick it off. Haitham, you know, talked a lot about capital allocation, priorities and how M&A fits into that. I guess my question is against kind of the prevailing debt and equity capital markets backdrop and cost of capital for Perimeter, is kind of smaller bolt-on M&A still on the menu? And then, I guess maybe more importantly, what would some of the milestones or what would you need to see for bigger M&A opportunities to kind of potentially look more attractive?

Is it, you know, just a factor of maybe a more normal severity fire season and, you know, the stock better reflecting the earnings power of the business, or anything that you could help us with in terms of, you know, what would make bigger M&A more attractive in the capital allocation stack? Thanks.

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Yeah. Hey, Dan. Thanks, thanks for the question. So to quickly hit your first one, yes, small tuck-in M&A, anything we can do from balance sheet cash or expected free cash generation is absolutely on the table, and we're always, we're always looking for small deals like that, which tend to be very good when you can find them. You know, larger deals, it really is strictly a function of expected IRR. If we had one on the table today that was a higher expected IRR than share repurchases or alternative uses of cash, and we believe we could finance it, we'd do it. We're open for business for large transactions.

Now, that said, to the extent we do need to issue debt or equity securities to finance a larger acquisition, then a lower share price and a higher cost of debt, those are, those are adverse inputs in a model and will lead to a lower IRR. So there certainly is some circularity to it, and the better our stock does and the lower our cost of debt is, the just mathematically more likely it is that a large deal will clear the hurdle. But there's no magic stock price or cost of debt, or there is a magic IRR hurdle, where if a deal clears that hurdle, pro forma for financing assumptions and is a superior IRR to buying back our own stock, we'll, we'll swing the bat.

Daniel Kutz
VP and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

That's great. That's all super helpful, and I appreciate that color. And then maybe just quickly, I appreciate it, it's early in the year and but just wondering if there's anything you could share in terms of what kind of like the snowpack and precipitation indicators might signal thus far this year relative to maybe some prior years or you know the historical normal trends. Or is there anything to garner thus far in terms of the potential severity of this fire season from those indicators? Thanks.

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Dan, predicting fire seasons in February is a fool's errand, but I'm at the risk of sounding like a fool, I will, I will try to, you know, at a very high level comment. I would, I would say this, this looks pretty normal, that there are no indicators flashing particularly mild or particularly severe. So it's generally very hard to make a prediction in February, and it's even harder this year because nothing particularly unusual is going on as far as we can tell.

Daniel Kutz
VP and Equity Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Fair enough, and really appreciate that. Thanks a lot, guys. I'll turn it back.

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Thanks, Dan.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Josh Spector from UBS. Your line is now live.

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Yeah. Hey, guys. Good morning. So I first want to just ask for clarification. Just when you talked about the fire safety business in fourth quarter, I think you said it was roughly half suppressants and retardants. I wasn't sure if that was referring to the year-on-year growth or the mix in the quarter. So can you clarify that, please?

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Thanks, Josh. No, when we're speaking about that, we were talking about the improvement in the performance of the business, not the overall mix of the business in the quarter.

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Okay, thanks. T hat's helpful. And I guess just related on suppressants. When you talk about the MIL-SPEC win, how much of that would you say now is in the numbers, I guess, at least in the second half of this year versus further opportunity as you look at next year?

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

So it's very hard to quantify precisely, 'cause MIL-SPEC's a very large market, and the nature of our product in suppressants tends to be razor, razor blades. So even if you penetrate the market with upfront installs, you're, you're then setting yourself up for a very nice long-term, you know, fairly captive stream of, of foam sales. It's, it's hard to answer the question, but at, at a high level, we, we got MIL-SPEC approval pretty late in 2023. And therefore, while it did help us nicely late in the year, it really was, it really was for only a few weeks of, of, of 2023. So we're, we're, we're pretty excited about MIL-SPEC going forward. The, the last thing I'll say on MIL-SPEC, Josh, is not all of MIL-SPEC is a single approval.

We were the first to get a specific MIL-SPEC approval in late 2023, which was great. And by the way, tremendous, tremendous effort over the past couple of years by our suppressants R&D team. I mean, this is very difficult chemistry and a hell of an accomplishment to be first to market here. But it's the first of a couple of other potential meaningful MIL-SPEC approvals, which also nobody has yet, and we feel pretty good about our odds of being first to market and doing quite well there with the first-mover advantage as well. Now, we'll see. We've got to execute, but we certainly have the R&D team for it.

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Thanks. No, I appreciate that. I'll ask a couple more and then turn it over. I guess first, just I wanted to ask on the contracts for the 2024 season. I think, you know, your competitor flagged that there was some delays in going out. I'm not really sure what that means for you guys, and what your view is on share pricing. So just curious on any color there.

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

It really doesn't mean anything for us, Josh. We -- the last thing I think we want to be doing as a company is commenting customer by customer and contract by contract. So we're not gonna do it today, and we're really never gonna do it. That said, no... Those comments have no impact on our business. From a competitive share perspective, listen, you heard my comments in the prepared remarks. On the one hand, we feel really, really, really good about our business. I'll put up our people against anybody in the world. I'll put up our products against anybody in the world.

I'll put up our service against anybody in the world, and I'm, I'm very confident spending lots of time with our customers, that they agree with that assessment. Second thing I'll say is we really do believe that only the paranoid survive, and if there's any glimmer of risk anywhere in our business, competitive or otherwise, we're gonna take it super, super, super seriously. So we're, we feel clear about 2024, but we're also ever vigilant.

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Okay, thanks. I have more questions, but I'll leave it there, so I'll just jump back in the queue.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, that's star one to be placed in the question queue. Our next question is coming from Brian DiRubbio from Baird. Your line is now live.

Brian DiRubbio
Managing Director and High Yield Corporate Bond Analyst, Baird

Good morning, gentlemen. A couple of questions for me. Just first off, Kyle, I think you mentioned that 2024 you will see a working capital benefit. Can you give us any sense of how much of that inventory is in Fire Safety versus Specialty Products?

Kyle Sable
CFO, Perimeter Solutions

Sure, Brian. Just, you know, given the size of the relative businesses and where we're at right now, the bulk of the inventory that we see here is gonna be in our fire safety business. As far as the impact that it's gonna have this year to our free cash flow, it's really hard because it depends on both the severity and the timing of the fire season, but we wanted to call it out if it did have potential to be meaningful.

Brian DiRubbio
Managing Director and High Yield Corporate Bond Analyst, Baird

Okay. And are you gonna manage that aggressively this year? Or put another way, are you gonna reduce operating rates to make sure you get that benefit?

Kyle Sable
CFO, Perimeter Solutions

Yeah, Josh, when you think about our business, the first focus for us is always 100% of the time, we need to have retardant available to deliver. So I just wanna start by saying there's no scenario where we would ever endanger that priority. That said, yeah, you know, listen, we've talked about this several times now. This is a focus for the company, and for us to really work through that inventory, we're gonna need more of a fire season than we saw last year. If that materializes this year, we expect we'll see a benefit from inventory.

Brian DiRubbio
Managing Director and High Yield Corporate Bond Analyst, Baird

Understood. And then final question for me: earlier this month, the U.S. Forest Service released the ROD, the decision about how they want to attack wildfires on national forest lands. Basically calling for using more water and less toxic suppressants, sorry, retardants. Just sort of any thoughts on how that can affect your business overall? I think one of the comments they made in the ROD was that it impacted about 20% of the land-based system.

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Frankly, Brian, I just don't know the report you're referring to, and we're sitting in a conference room here with big swaths of our management team, and none of us know the report you're referring to.

Brian DiRubbio
Managing Director and High Yield Corporate Bond Analyst, Baird

Okay.

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Our product has been, just for its worth, our retardant products have been developed in true partnership with our large customers, very consultatively over many, many years and undergo. Our customers are environmental conservation authorities, first and foremost. Our products have gone through rigorous testing and blessing by them, and therefore, there's sort of some intellectual inconsistency in the premise of your question, but we'll—let's follow up offline, and we'll be glad to read anything out there.

Brian DiRubbio
Managing Director and High Yield Corporate Bond Analyst, Baird

Yeah, and I'll, I'll send you a copy of the report. It was posted on their website, the U.S. Forest Service website, in early February. I think it was February second, sort of detailing how they wanna change their approach. I'll, I'll pass it along, too, and we can follow up offline.

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Okay.

Brian DiRubbio
Managing Director and High Yield Corporate Bond Analyst, Baird

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is a follow-up from Josh Spector from UBS. Your line is now live.

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Hey again. So I just wanted to ask about the international growth in retardants. Are there specific markets or products you'd call out that helped you in the fourth quarter? And I'm just wondering if that's any read of any flow-through of wins, et cetera, for next year, or something just within this fire season in those countries for this quarter?

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Yeah. I'll answer the second part first, which there's really no read-through from Q4 into Q1. Not to say that Q1 is gonna be particularly mild or severe, it's just the events, the events that led to good retardant sales in Q4 were pretty idiosyncratic and don't say much about what Q1 of 2024 might look like. As far as markets that were strong for us, Australia was solid for us in Q4. Not particularly unusual, but it was a good market for us, as were a couple of markets in South America.

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Okay, thanks. And just to follow up on the working capital part of it, I guess if I look at where you ended, you know, working capital looks like it's about 50% of sales. Historically, it's closer to maybe 25%. I guess, very rough math, if your sales are flat, should we think about getting that working capital percentage down to that historical level as about the right framework? And I guess if you were to grow sales, do you actually get a working capital benefit, or you just grow into that? So just curious on those two points.

Kyle Sable
CFO, Perimeter Solutions

Thanks, Josh. Yeah, to the second point, and take that first, you've generally got the right, the right way to frame it at. If we grow sales, normally we'd have to invest in working capital like any business. We have an inventory position that allows us to slow those initial purchases. It allows us to build into some of the, to the inventory that we already have and use that. To your question on if we hold sales flat, do we release inventory? The hope would be that we would be able to release some amount of inventory. The question just, it really depends on the severity and timing of the fire season.

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Okay, fair enough. And just a couple on specialty. So, you know, I guess the sales were up, but the EBITDA wasn't. So I'm curious if there's anything you could share about why that was the case.

Kyle Sable
CFO, Perimeter Solutions

Yeah, Josh, it really was down to a little bit of charge timing, what came in and out of the quarter right around quarter end. When we look at the underlying economics of the business, we don't think there's anything meaningful that's changed either quarter-over-quarter or year-over-year, other than the deleveraging we would see from an operating perspective, right?

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Okay. And, I mean, since you don't disclose price or volumes, I don't know if there's a way you can roughly frame where are the volumes in that segment today versus I think you said '2022 was normal. Can you frame that at least so we can understand what a recovery might look like?

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

I'll try to take that, Josh. So now I'm not gonna comment on today, but I'll comment on last year. Last year was down meaningfully, and we're not again, we're not gonna quantify it, but last year volumes, the destock was severe. Our volumes were down significantly throughout 2023 versus 2022. We have said before, and I'll say again, from a Three Ps value driver perspective, we did well. Our unit economics are similar, if not better, in 2023 versus 2022, which does suggest some element of positive pricing. And therefore, a large portion, all of, more than all of, et cetera, the revenue decline is volume.

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Okay. No, fair enough. And the last one to me, just a kind of a picky one here. On the share count you present in your slides, I assume that reflects the current share count with the full buyback, so as of January versus the December quarter average. And does that include the roughly 2 million shares that will be added with the founder share structure?

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

You know, to keep it, to keep it simple, Kyle, shall we just give end of 2023 basic shares outstanding?

Kyle Sable
CFO, Perimeter Solutions

Yeah, at the end of 2023, for basic shares outstanding, we had 146.5, I believe, shares outstanding at the end of 2023. Net of everything.

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Okay, but that, that doesn't—if the founder shares will be added this year or is that already in that?

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Exactly.

Kyle Sable
CFO, Perimeter Solutions

Yeah, that's right.

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Okay.

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Does not include founder share issuance in Q1 of 2024 and any other potential buyback or issuance activity in the first quarter of 2024.

Josh Spector
Executive Director of Chemicals Equity Research, UBS

Got it. Makes sense. Thank you very much.

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

Thanks, Josh.

Operator

Thank you. We've reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any further closing comments.

Haitham Khouri
CEO, Perimeter Solutions

No, just thanks, thanks again for the time, everybody. Thanks for the support and, and we'll be back here soon.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.

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