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Earnings Call: Q4 2015

Oct 28, 2015

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by, welcome to PTC 2015 fourth quarter conference call. During today's presentation, all parties will be in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, the conference will be open for questions. I would now like to turn the call over to Tim Fox, PTC's Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Tim Fox
VP of Investor Relations, PTC

Good afternoon. Thank you, Anna. Welcome to PTC's 2015 fourth quarter conference call. On the call today are Jim Heppelmann, Chief Executive Officer, Andrew Miller, Chief Financial Officer, Barry Cohen, EVP of Strategy. Today's conference call is being broadcast live through an audio webcast, a replay of the call will be available later today at www.ptc.com. During this call, PTC will make forward-looking statements, including guidance as to future operating results. Because such statements deal with future events, actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements can be found in PTC's annual report on Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, and other filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, as well as in today's press release.

The forward-looking statements, including guidance provided during this call, are valid only as of today's date, October 28, 2015, PTC assumes no obligation to update these forward-looking statements. During the call, PTC will discuss non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in today's press release, made available on our website. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to PTC's CEO, Jim Heppelmann.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Thanks, Tim. Good afternoon, everyone, thank you for joining us for a review of our fourth quarter fiscal 2015 results. There's a lot to talk about as we wrap up fiscal 2015 and transition into fiscal 2016, including some significant strategic and operational initiatives that we're driving. To be frank, it will be hard to squeeze it all into this one call. I'd like to remind you that our Investor Day is scheduled for November 10 in New York. We'll touch on a few new topics today then plan to go much deeper into those topics at the event in two weeks. Let me begin with a brief review of the fourth quarter. We were pleased to see fiscal 2015 end on a solid note.

Q4 revenue of $313 million was above the midpoint of our guidance, even with a significantly higher mix of subscription bookings than we guided. Our EPS of $0.67 was above the high end of our guidance range. Despite challenging macroeconomic conditions, in constant currency, our license and subscription bookings grew 3% over the prior year. Our movement to subscription showed accelerated progress with 20% subscription mix in Q4, compared to just 4% in the fourth quarter of the prior year. Due to this significantly higher mix of subscription bookings, our recognized software revenue in constant currency declined 4%. I'll remind you, though, that this effect is par for the course with a subscription transition, and a stronger subscription mix should be viewed as a good thing, despite the pressure it puts on reported revenue and EPS in the near term.

From a segment perspective, fourth quarter and full-year results were somewhat mixed. IoT momentum continued, with this segment performing well ahead of the expectations we had set, driven by strong growth in our new ThingWorx customer logos, follow-on business with existing customers, and our first significant deal for our new ColdLight predictive analytics or machine learning technology. We far outpaced the target of 200 new IoT logos for the year, with 108 in Q4 alone and a full-year total of 290. That means that in one single year, we more than doubled the customer base built by both acquired companies during their ramp-up phase prior to PTC's acquisition. Many of these new customers are blue-chip names who are applying our IoT platform to many different use cases within their operations, and of course, across the range of verticals within discrete manufacturing and the broader market.

There's no doubt at this point that our technology, thought leadership, and business momentum is being recognized by a marketplace that's starting to see PTC emerge as a true leader. As a case in point, if you've read reports recently published by McKinsey and others, you know that manufacturing automation is projected to be amongst the most compelling value creation opportunities for IoT. During Q4, we made significant progress on this front, with General Electric announcing that the Brilliant Manufacturing component of their Industrial Internet strategy will leverage the capabilities of ThingWorx to enable GE customers to run their factories more productively. This GE-branded solution, which is powered by ThingWorx, will be implemented within GE's 400 or so internal manufacturing plants as well. The GE contract represents a significant financial commitment to PTC over the coming years and obviously provides a strong endorsement for ThingWorx in the marketplace.

I want to point out that if you have an interest to learn more about how IoT is driving companies to rethink and transform their engineering, manufacturing, sales and marketing, and service operations, I'd like to direct you to a newly published second article that I co-authored with Professor Michael Porter of Harvard Business School. This article, which is titled "How Smart, Connected Products Are Changing Companies," was just recently published in the October 2015 issue of Harvard Business Review. It's probably not on the newsstands at this point, but you can find and download the official PDF reprints at our ptc.com website. Along with the first article, it really lays out the case for why companies feel IoT is so strategic to them.

Coming back to our core business, SLM was particularly strong, with bookings growing 59% in constant currency, capping off total second half constant currency growth of 33% year-over-year. This improved result stems from our pipeline rebuilding efforts that we were talking about during the latter part of fiscal 2014 and the first half of fiscal 2015. Extended PLM bookings returned to constant currency growth in the quarter, driven by double-digit growth in our ALM segment, which offset a modest decline in traditional PLM. CAD results declined 22% in constant currency, due in part to a weaker manufacturing macro environment, especially in the Americas, where PLM was also weak. As you know, our CAD and PLM businesses are a bit lumpy, and the relatively fewer and smaller big deals in FY 2015 as compared to the prior year is a key factor in the CAD decline.

On the bottom line, operating margin and EPS exceeded the high end of our guidance range, despite a substantially higher mix of subscription. All in all, we feel that Q4 financial results were solid. If we take a look at the full year, license and subscription bookings declined 5% in constant currency due primarily to the tough manufacturing environment influencing a smaller number and size of big deals. Due to the increase in subscription mix of bookings from 8% in fiscal 2014 to 17% in fiscal 2015, license and subscription revenue declined 3% in constant currency. However, strong support revenue, reflecting strong renewals and pricing actions, resulted in total software revenue growth of 3% in constant currency, which would further increase to 5% if you also adjust for the increase in subscription mix.

It's important to remember that as a rule of thumb, on an annual basis, every 1% change in subscription mix, just by mathematics, will raise or lower our recognized revenue by $3 million, our operating margin by 20 basis points, and EPS by about $0.02. In total, FX impacted revenue by about $100 million for the year. However, due to strong management of our cost structure, our operating margin ended above 24%, and we delivered EPS of $2.23, which was up 3% year-over-year. Excluding the dual impacts of currency and subscription bookings mix, EPS would have grown more than 40%, which far exceeds the strong performance we've posted in terms of EPS growth in each of the prior five years. Looking forward, as we move into 2016, our primary focus is threefold. Number one, to focus on driving sustainable growth.

Number two, to more aggressively move towards subscription. Number three, to continue with cost controls and margin expansion. First, let me talk about growth. As we demonstrated with our performance in IoT in fiscal 2015, we believe that we're establishing PTC as a leader in the IoT software platform market, which is one of the highest growth and likely one of the largest software markets over the next decade. At the center of our leadership position, of course, is very strong technology. We have the industry's most comprehensive and market-validated technology platform that enables companies across many different verticals to rapidly implement their IoT strategies at scale. With our acquisition of Vuforia, which we anticipate will close in the next few weeks, we will extend our technology lead by offering a new class of offerings that continue the trend of merging the digital and physical worlds.

Vuforia is the industry's most advanced and most widely adopted augmented reality technology platform. Particularly when Vuforia is coupled with our IoT and predictive analytics capabilities, it unlocks a world of possibilities for creating new ways to design, monitor, interact with, and service products. You may actually have seen a peek of Vuforia in use if you attended or watched online our LiveWorx events that happened in May in Boston or June in Nashville. If you remember, we demonstrated our digital twin technology using a smart mountain bike demonstration. If you can recall, we used an iPad to augment a digital dashboard onto the mountain bike as it was being ridden around the stage. It turns out we were using Vuforia for that.

We'll be sharing more details at our upcoming Analyst Day on how we're coupling these exciting IoT, machine learning, and augmented reality technologies together to create some truly transformational new possibilities for our customers. As a platform offering in its own right, Vuforia brings to PTC another substantial developer community who could further leverage ThingWorx to extend and expand the value of the work that they're doing with their augmented reality offerings. While our new business appears to be hitting on all cylinders, we feel that our traditional core business, particularly CAD and PLM, did not meet the expectations that we had established at the start of the year. We believe we have market-leading products and strong customer references, and these are the key ingredients necessary to grow our business and market rates. In fiscal 2015, we faced macro headwinds, FX headwinds, and business model changes.

After a lot of analysis, we also believe there's room to improve execution and therefore the growth in our core business. With that objective in mind, we're implementing plans which involve changes to both structure and talent. Let me start with the structure point. As we build out our new technologies, our business is becoming more complex because the new part of the business is different in important ways from the traditional core business. For example, the new IoT analytics and augmented reality business has tremendous potential that's best unlocked through a large developer and partner ecosystem that's cultivated through marketing-led approaches. Whereas our traditional business is best optimized by leveraging direct sales executives who position themselves as a trusted guide to a customer's business transformation.

Given the growth opportunities we see in both the core and the new business, we see that each business requires an appropriate focus to win. I believe that strategy should drive structure. Going into fiscal 2016, we've reorganized the company into two main business units. Our core CAD, extended PLM, and SLM business, we will now call the solutions group, and our new IoT analytics and augmented reality business, we will call the technology platform group. Each of the two business groups will be led by a newly appointed group president. Rob Gremley, who's been driving the technology business for the last two years, has been appointed to be group president of the technology platform group. In the solutions group, where we feel the opportunity to improve execution is more pronounced, we've decided to go outside in order to bring proven new executive talent into the company.

We're well into a search for the Group President of solutions with several talented candidates on the shortlist, and I look forward to announcing a new executive joining PTC in the near term. We're confident that this change, over time, will improve our execution. Each of these groups will have separate R&D and go-to-market teams, while our corporate infrastructure, of course, will support both. We're confident that this new structure will allow us to optimize our focus and our balance on each of these two businesses while preserving leverage and efficiency wherever appropriate. The takeaway for investors is that we're making important changes to the structure and talent at PTC with an eye toward providing strong, focused leadership, improved execution, and performance-oriented accountability that will enable us to leverage our assets and capabilities to drive better growth from our business. I want to talk about subscription.

We launched subscription phase two four weeks ago with new pricing, packaging, business rules, and new sales incentive compensations to drive our business aggressively towards subscription. We believe that we'll transition 70% of our licensed bookings to subscription by FY 2018. The market studies we performed with McKinsey this past summer support that view, and we've now aligned all of our policies toward achieving that goal. We'll be sharing more details about our subscription program at our Analyst Day. In a few minutes, Andy will share some highlights on how we see the transition impacting our business model over the coming years. This move is good for our customers and it's good for PTC. Our third focus as we enter fiscal 2016 is cost control and margin expansion. This has been a key tenet of our commitment to driving shareholder value.

In fact, in my time as CEO, we've taken PTC's operating margins from the low teens to the mid-20s through continued cost discipline and guided by a portfolio management process. To that end, today, we announced a realignment of our workforce as we continue to proactively manage our cost structure and move investment into the highest return opportunities in our business. Our goal is to drive continued margin expansion over the long term. While our reported results will be negatively impacted as we transition to subscription, we see a path to non-GAAP operating margin in the low 30s once the business model normalizes from the transition effects in 2021. When combined with our commitment to return 40% free cash flow, we believe we're well positioned to drive substantial value for our shareholders.

In conclusion, Andy and I and the executive team essentially have in our hand three levers, growth, subscription, and profit, that each independently could drive significant shareholder value. On the growth front, if we continue to win in the new technology platform business while improving execution in the core solutions business, we will drive a lot of value. On the subscription front, if we push aggressively toward the goal of 70% subscription by 2018, we will also create a lot of value. On the margin expansion front, where we've already created a lot of value, our restructuring announcement today tells you that we know that our work on margins is not yet finished.

Starting today and then with more detail at our Investor Day, you'll see that we have a legitimate opportunity and a strong strategy to move the needle significantly on growth, on subscription, and on margins. As we do, our shareholders stand to reap substantial benefits. With that, I'll turn the call over to Andy.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Thanks, Jim, and good afternoon, everyone. Please note that I'll be discussing non-GAAP results unless otherwise specified. Total fourth quarter revenue of $313 million was down $55 million year-over-year as reported. Year-over-year software revenue growth of $8 million was offset by a $31 million impact from FX, a $20 million impact from a higher mix of subscription bookings, and a $12 million constant currency decrease in professional services revenue, consistent with our strategy to migrate more service engagements to our partners. In addition, recurring software revenue, which is 59% of our total revenue, was negatively impacted by six fewer days, which is 7%, as compared to Q4 2015. Software revenue, which consists of license, subscription, and support, was above the midpoint of guidance due to solid results for both L&S and support revenue in the quarter.

On a reported basis, software revenue was down 12% year-over-year due to the impact of currency, a higher mix of subscriptions, and fewer days in the quarter. Excluding currency and mix, software revenue was up 3%. It should be noted that we faced a tough Q4 license comparison, a quarter in which our CAD and EPLM license revenue grew in the mid-teens year-over-year, in addition to the tough Q4 support comparison due to fewer days. Approximately 59% of Q4 2015 revenue came from recurring business, up from 53% in the year-ago period. Clearly, this growth in recurring revenue represents a very positive trend in our business and will drive cash flow in subsequent quarters. Moving to the income statement, gross margin increased by 170 basis points sequentially and 190 basis points year-over-year.

The key driver was the lower mix of professional services revenue in the quarter, which was 15% of revenue in Q4 2015 versus 18% in Q4 2014, reflecting continued success growing our partner ecosystem. Operating expense in the fourth quarter was down $27 million or 15% from Q4 last year, primarily driven by lower performance-based variable compensation and restructuring actions taken in Q2 2015. The solid software revenue results, favorable services mix, and tight operating expense controls yielded an operating margin of 28% in Q4, above our guidance of 26%. Operating margin was up 180 basis points from Q4 last year as reported, up 390 basis points in constant currency, and would have been up 800 basis points if adjusted for constant currency and the higher subscription mix.

EPS of $0.67 was above the high end of guidance and was up 1% year-over-year, but up 20% when adjusting for currency and would have been up 45% if adjusted for constant currency and the higher mix of subscription. Moving to the balance sheet, cash and investments were flat with Q3 at $273 million. We spent approximately $15 million repurchasing 434,000 shares in Q4. For the full year, share repurchases exceeded our commitment to return 40% of free cash flow to shareholders. One final comment before I turn to guidance. As Jim mentioned, at the beginning of FY 2016, we launched the second phase of our subscription program with the goal of accelerating the company's transition to a predominantly subscription-based licensing model. With an aggressive move to subscription, we will provide new disclosures in FY 2016 to enable you to better track the progress of our business.

These new disclosures are important because traditional financial metrics like revenue, operating margin, and EPS may not reflect the underlying performance of the business during the transition. Simply stated, the more success we have in driving subscription adoption, the weaker our reported income statement results will be in the near term, effectively masking the significant underlying value being created. With this in mind, moving forward, we intend to disclose License and Subscription bookings on a perpetual equivalent basis, subscription annualized contract value, or ACV, subscription bookings mix, annualized recurring revenue, or ARR, which will include subscription and support. Within our software revenue disclosures, we will separately disclose Perpetual, Subscription, and Support revenue. We also intend to simplify our operating performance disclosures. Beginning next quarter, we will provide revenue results for our two business groups discussed above, along with revenue performance by geography.

We will also share additional commentary on the performance of the businesses within our solutions group. From a guidance perspective, in addition to the current metrics provided, we intend to guide total L&S bookings, subscription ACV, subscription bookings mix, operating expenses, and annual free cash flow. Turning to guidance, let me share some of the general considerations that are factored in. First, as Jim highlighted, as we enter FY 2016, we are in the midst of a significant reorganization and a workforce restructuring that could be disruptive, especially in the first half of the year. We have attempted to factor this into our guidance. Second, while our Q4 bookings results were near the high end of our guidance, while we continue to have momentum in our IoT business, we remain cautious of the macroeconomic environment, especially in the Americas and China.

Finally, subscription is still new to much of our sales force, and it tends to be a land-and-expand transaction model, different from the old big deal enterprise play. We could see smaller deal sizes. With these caveats in mind, we expect bookings in the range of $320 million-$350 million for fiscal 2016. We are assuming 25% of our bookings will be subscription. Based on this assumption, we expect total revenue in the range of $1.2 billion-$1.22 billion for fiscal 2016. Included in our revenue guidance, we expect subscription revenue of $90 million, perpetual license revenue of $240 million-$260 million, support revenue of $670 million, resulting in total software revenue of $1.0 billion-$1.02 billion.

We expect global services revenue of approximately $200 million, a decrease of $27 million from FY 2015 as we continue to execute our strategy to transition more service engagements to our partner ecosystem. Note that FX compared to FY 2015 reduces our revenue guidance at the midpoint by $30 million. A higher mix of subscription bookings reduces our midpoint revenue guidance by $24 million, and we are guiding a constant currency reduction of $21 million in global services. A total reduction of $75 million on revenue at the midpoint of our guidance as compared to FY 2015. We expect an increase in our services margin by about 130 basis points to 16% and remain committed to a 20% services margin by FY 2018. With the restructuring discussed earlier, at the midpoint of guidance, we expect FY 2016 operating expenses to be down approximately $17 million from FY 2015.

Our OpEx guidance assumes a significant increase in variable compensation predicated upon the achievement of our performance goals, as well as increases in our IoT spend. Accordingly, we are guiding to an operating margin of approximately 23% in FY 2016. Note, however, that assuming the same subscription mix as FY 2015, which was 17%, operating margin would have been 25% at the midpoint of our revenue guidance, up about 100 basis points. PTC remains committed to operating margin improvement and rigorous and disciplined management of our cost structure. The restructuring we announced today should give you confidence in that commitment. We are assuming a tax rate of 15%-20%, resulting in non-GAAP EPS of $1.80 per share-$1.90 per share based upon approximately 116 million shares outstanding.

For the first quarter, we expect bookings linearity at the lower end of our historical averages to account for disruption from the reorganization and restructuring. With this in mind, in Q1, we expect bookings in the range of $62 million-$70 million, with about 18% subscription mix. We expect total revenue in the range of $290 million-$295 million for Q1. Included in our revenue guidance, we expect subscription revenue of $20 million, perpetual license revenue of $52 million-$57 million, support revenue of $170 million, resulting in total software revenue of $242 million-$247 million. We expect global services revenue of approximately $48 million, a decrease of $17 million from Q1 2015. Note that FX, compared to Q1 2015, reduced our midpoint revenue guidance by $20 million, and we are guiding a constant currency reduction of $13 million in global services.

Additionally, one less day in the quarter than last year results in about $2 million less recurring software revenue for a total reduction of $35 million on revenue guidance at the midpoint as compared to Q1 2015. With the restructuring beginning in the middle of Q1, we expect an operating margin of approximately 22%. We are assuming a tax rate of 15%-20%, resulting in non-GAAP EPS of $0.40-$0.45 per share based upon approximately 116 million shares outstanding. Finally, so that you can begin to refresh your models, let me provide some high-level guidelines regarding our new long-range target financial model. I will go into much more detail at our upcoming Investor Day.

We believe that the initiatives we are driving in our Solutions Group and the strong position we've established in our Technology Platform Group together can drive approximately 10% bookings growth by FY 2018. This is predicated on our Solutions Group growing in line with the market by FY 2018, which we believe is approximately 6%, and our Technology Platform Group growing with the market, which most analysts believe is approximately 40%, although we grew much faster than this in FY 2015. Exiting FY 2018, we expect to see continued bookings growth at market rates, which in turn is anticipated to yield approximately 10% total revenue growth by FY 2021, when our subscription transition normalizes. We expect our subscription bookings mix will accelerate throughout FY 2016, averaging 25% for the full year, and continue to grow through FY 2018, when we expect to achieve a steady state mix of 70% subscription.

At this point, about 90% of our software revenue will be recurring. Based on these bookings, revenue, and subscription mix assumptions, we expect our P&L and cash flow metrics to hit a trough in FY 2018, begin to recover in FY 2019, and then normalize in FY 2021, at which point we expect to achieve non-GAAP operating margins in the low 30% range. One additional item. In our press release today, we provided an update concerning the China matter. Recall that in the third quarter of FY 2015, we recorded a reserve of $14 million associated with discussions with the SEC and DOJ to resolve our previously announced investigation in China. That accrual represents the minimum amount of liability we expect to incur if we are able to reach a settlement in this matter and does not include any amounts associated with any fines by those agencies.

We are involved in discussions with respect to potential fines, and the amount of the accrual could increase by the time we file our 10-K, resulting in a change to our reported fourth quarter and fiscal year 2015 GAAP results. There can be no assurance that we will reach a settlement or that the cost of such settlement, if reached, would not materially exceed the existing accrual. With that, I'll turn it over to the operator to begin the Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. Thank you, sir. At this time, we will begin the question-and-answer session of today's conference. If you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star and then one. You will be announced by name and company. If you would like to remove your question, you may do so by pressing star and then two. Once again, participant to ask question, please press star and then one at this time. One moment for the first question. Our first question is from Mr. Steve Koenig of Wedbush Securities. Sir, you may ask your question.

Steve Koenig
Analyst, Wedbush Securities

Thanks. I think that's me.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Yeah. It's Steve.

Steve Koenig
Analyst, Wedbush Securities

Yeah.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Go ahead, Steve.

Steve Koenig
Analyst, Wedbush Securities

Hey, good afternoon. The pace of subscription transitions next year looks realistic given the market you operate in. Maybe some folks might have expected a bit more aggressive up front. Can you comment on that? Why not more next year? What are the factors that'll boost it up pretty significantly in the following years?

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Yeah. We expect to average 25%, but we expect to exit the year at a higher percentage than that. Essentially, there are a couple of factors. As we look at Q1, clearly what we did is October 1, we changed pricing, packaging, bundling, and sales comps. This was all introduced to the market and our sales reps just four weeks ago. The Q1 pipeline has a lot of deals that are perpetual based upon the fact that everything was different at that point in time. There's probably not a great deal of time in the first quarter to get those deals changed into subscription, or we're not assuming we're going to be able to do that. Although clearly, sales reps, since they're going to be paid more, are probably going to try if they can.

At the same thing, as we look at our largest customers, 30%-50% of our revenue comes from big customers doing big deals. They tend to have already completed their capital budgets and operating budgets at this point in time. They may not be able to necessarily take a deal that they were expecting to be perpetual in FY 2016 and turn it to subscription. We've been somewhat cautious in our ability to get those two things flipped in the near term. Although clearly, we think we've got great opportunity in both FY 2017 and FY 2018, and our studies show that. Essentially, we're just being a bit cautious of how quickly we're going to be able to change the model that our customers frankly operate in at this point in time.

Steve Koenig
Analyst, Wedbush Securities

Mm-hmm. That makes sense. If I may ask one follow-up on the core business. Maybe can you give us a little more granularity on two things? One is, where are the cost cuts coming from? Secondly, what kind of issues do you see with the core business? Or any hypotheses you have on what can be changed by new senior management there?

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Yeah. Maybe we'll each take a stab at that.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Yeah.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Hi, Steve. Jim here.

Steve Koenig
Analyst, Wedbush Securities

Hey, Jim.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

The general answer is we're moving investments from places of low return to places of higher return. That's the general answer. At a high level, if you look at what are we doing, we're looking at R&D investments. We're looking at marketing programs. We're looking at do we have the right structures in our sales organization and so forth. On the cost side, we're kind of going through the cost structures and saying, do all these investments make sense? Because over here, there's some investment opportunities, let's say, that are really interesting. If you go down to the second part of that question, which was, what could we fix? I think one of the issues where we could fix is to be better balanced.

We have a lot of people who wake up and decide what they want to do every day, do they want to participate in the new business or the old business or both? These businesses are very different. I think we need to focus more. We need more segmentation. We need people who wake up and say, "I'm a CAD person," and other people that wake up and say, "I'm an IoT person." I think we've got to be careful not to let too many people wake up and say, "What do I want to do today?" Right? I think what we're trying to control for with this structural change is to have a group that lives and dies with the core business and a leader who lives and dies with the core business. Today, we don't really have that.

That, in a simple answer, is the thing we're trying to aim for.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

The one thing that I would add is when we did our operating plan this year, we did kind of a version of a zero-based budget. What we actually did is we gave everyone a target that was about 80% of what they had this year. We said, "Go figure out how you do the most crucial, important things to drive the business with that 80%." That freed up a huge pot of money that we then, project by project, kind of function by function, invested in the highest return areas. While there's some money moving from the solution part of the business to the IoT business, there's a lot of money moving around within the solution business as far as where the highest return R&D investments are, frankly, investments in more marketing in certain segments.

There was a pretty strong exercise, and this is my first year going through the planning process here, and I was pretty impressed with how diligent everyone was, frankly, in really coming up with what are the right things that should be invested in and the things where we should reduce costs. The portfolio management process was executed probably about as good as I've seen in my career.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

I might add, and a number of proposed investments didn't make the cut, and that money became operating margin.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Yeah.

Steve Koenig
Analyst, Wedbush Securities

Gotcha. Great. Well, congrats on the good finish to the year, and we'll talk soon.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Great. Thanks, Steve.

Steve Koenig
Analyst, Wedbush Securities

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is from Mr. Sterling Auty from JPMorgan Chase. Sir, you may ask your question.

Sterling Auty
Analyst, JPMorgan Chase

Thanks. Last question started with why not more aggressive to begin the subscription transition. Let me flip to the other end of the spectrum. The 70% coming out, I understand you talked with McKinsey or you did focus groups, so curious what the customer feedback and what led to that 70% level, given that we've seen other companies like Cadence and Aspen Technology that service pretty big companies like ExxonMobil, Samsung, Intel, et cetera, get their mix to north of 90%.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

First, what drove to the 70%, why people are interested is, number 1, is fundamentally the flexibility they get when they compare the two models at the right price point as they look at kind of the length of the term of their business case. Subscription, as long as you price it at a way like our pricing, we drop the price from 60% of our perpetual license to 45%, which is right in the sweet spot and where you'd see most subscription offerings. That means that you kind of break even at around four years or so, which is they get more flexibility at that, and they like it. The other thing we did is through business rules, we took out that flexibility that some might have been able to negotiate in their perpetual contracts.

We're not going to give it away, for the flexibility comes with subscription, it doesn't come with perpetual. If you really want perpetual, it's a less flexible offering. In the end, if the market continues to move more subscription over time, at this point, the stake in the ground is 70%. We're going to drive as high as we can get. If someone absolutely wants perpetual and values it, then at least at this point in time, we intend to let them have it. Of course, they'll pay for what they value.

Sterling Auty
Analyst, JPMorgan Chase

Got it. The comments that you made on the macro in terms of how you put together the fiscal 2016, I want to make sure that I understand. Given the uncertainty, U.S., I think you mentioned China, Japan, et cetera, it seemed like you factored in some of the macro squishiness. Wanted to ask it this way: If the economy stayed exactly the same as where we see right today, should that mean that you actually outperform the guidance that you've given, meaning that you factored in a little bit of extra squishiness, or would it be in line?

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

The one thing I'll tell you is that of course, you always want to be able to meet consensus and meet your guidance when you put it in there. We clearly have an internal plan that is a bit higher than what we would guide, and there's nothing unusual about that.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Yeah. To be frank, Sterling, we don't have a crystal ball. What's happened, for example, if you look at the PMI indices regionally in the last quarter, is several of them fell quite dramatically.

We're kind of locking in, at least on that view, that they're at least worse than they were a quarter ago, maybe with the exception of Europe, which is actually a little bit better. When we look at China, the news has gotten markedly more difficult there. The U.S. situation really dropped precipitously in the PMI indices. So forth. We're kind of locking in on today's view, not trying to prognosticate it'll get better or worse, but realizing it just did get a lot worse, and we have no reason to plan for it to get better.

Sterling Auty
Analyst, JPMorgan Chase

Right.

Got it. Thank you guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Saket Kalia from Barclays. Sir, your line is open.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Hi, Saket.

Saket Kalia
Analyst, Barclays

Hey, guys. How are you?

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Good.

Saket Kalia
Analyst, Barclays

Thanks for taking my questions here. First for you, Andy, just a modeling question. Can you just review for us the mechanics of the metrics for us, specifically your guiding to bookings and the mix. Can you just remind us how to sort of convert that to ACV, and then what sort of renewal rates you're expecting on the subscription? I just want to make sure we're all on the same page.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Okay. Well, we guided ACV for you, so we gave it to you. The way to look at that is we take the ACV as subscription, and we multiply it by two, and that's what we say the booking is for subscription. For example, if you look at our guidance, I'll pick the high end of the FY 2016 full year guidance. We've guided license and subscription bookings of 350. The subscription ACV is 45, which would mean that the subscription bookings are 90.

Saket Kalia
Analyst, Barclays

$90 of the $350.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Of the $350. That's where you get the approximate 25%. The remainder is perpetual.

Saket Kalia
Analyst, Barclays

Okay.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

If you look down at perpetual license revenue, you see $260 is $90 less than the $350.

Saket Kalia
Analyst, Barclays

That makes sense.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Yeah

Saket Kalia
Analyst, Barclays

$45 million in ACV. Is there a renewal rate that we should be assuming in that? Of course, we can model it out for four quarters, which is sort of the definition of ACV, but how does that play out? How does that 45 sort of play out between now and 2021, if that makes sense?

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

What I can share with you is, one, we have very high maintenance renewal rates. McKinsey & Company studies show that subscription renewal rates are even higher than maintenance renewal rates. You're talking about very low churn. In the low to mid-single digit churn is the industry average. Of course, we have limited experience with subscription. Our subscription renewal rates are actually higher than kind of that industry average right now, but there's limited experience with it.

Saket Kalia
Analyst, Barclays

Got it. For my follow-up for you, Jim, it sounds like you're doing a lot of the right things in terms of putting in place more favorable pricing and some of the sales comp to drive that subscription mix. I guess, what are you hearing from some of your existing customers that have sort of been born and bred on perpetual plus maintenance? Do you think that those that currently have maintenance actually shift to take advantage of that flexibility? Or is there a risk that maybe they consider other competitors in the market?

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

First of all, Saket, our software is extremely sticky, and switching to other competitors would be a major expensive endeavor. Our software is pretty darn good, so it'd be a big, expensive investment to move sideways at best. We've talked to many customers about this. They're actually interested in restructuring their maintenance contracts by and large. Maybe not every last one, but there is a significant percentage of our maintenance or support customer base who's intrigued by the idea of taking a look at how would this work differently if I kind of traded it in and rebought it from you in a subscription model.

We have, as part of our subscription phase 2, a program to incent that to happen. I think that between now, I don't know, Andy, if you had a specific number on that, but when we think out to 2018, we're actually assuming that not only did the new sales flip to subscription, but a substantial amount of the maintenance base became a subscription base as well.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Yeah. We actually ran a pilot in the fourth quarter with a small number of customers, and of course, there wasn't much time to try to get the transaction done. We actually, one, we did learn that they really like the flexibility of subscription. As a result of that, we actually converted, at the very end of the quarter, three customers. They weren't huge customers, but we converted three of them to subscription at a higher annual contract value than they were under support because they liked just the flexibility, the ability. They had some shelfware they didn't really want. They wanted a different configuration of some of their Creo seats, for example, and that was valuable.

We do have a program going, and we have targeted deals this year where we're going to try to get them to convert from support to subscription at a premium, and we'll talk more about that at our Investor Day. In fact, we'll probably even give you an example of how it looks.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Yeah, just one point, though, to have in the back of your mind, which is this would normally happen coincident with a renewal. We can't just go out to everybody and say, "Let's do it tomorrow." We'll do it as the renewals come up, and in some cases, there's multi-year contracts, and we won't get a shot at them until maybe next year or whatever. Keep that in mind, too.

Saket Kalia
Analyst, Barclays

Very helpful. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Mr. Matthew Hedberg from RBC Capital Markets. Sir, your line is open.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Hi, Matt.

Matthew Hedberg
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hi there. Thanks for taking my questions. Jim, you mentioned in your prepared remarks, but can you talk a little bit more in detail about the importance of this new GE partnership? Is there a rev share in place? Are they retiring IoT pipeline? How should we think about it impacting 2016 revenue?

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Yeah. Basically, GE is licensing the technology from us, building it into a GE-branded solution. We are then, within our base, welcoming them into our customer base and giving our guys some incentives to do that. Of course, GE has a customer base distinct and separate from our customer base, so they're going into their customer base by themselves. Each time they take down a transaction for their Brilliant Manufacturing solution, they're going to turn around and cut us a royalty check. It's an interesting agreement. There are sort of minimums to it. They're very committed to it. They're very excited about it. We're very excited about it. We think that we have a legitimate play together with a strong partner in one of the biggest IoT playgrounds of all. We're pretty darn excited about it.

Matthew Hedberg
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's great to hear. Andy, circling back on some of the earlier questions on how you're influencing these changes, change in behavior of purchasing. Are you applying an increase in maintenance pricing this year to help influence that transition?

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

We did. We raised our maintenance pricing 4%.

Matthew Hedberg
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Was that globally, or was that?

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Globally.

Matthew Hedberg
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Just to give everyone a little bit of detail. We did four primary things. One, we differentiated the subscription offering through pricing. By lowering the price to 45%. We did product differentiation. We have repackaged, and we have more repackaged solutions coming out in January. It's actually simpler. We did a lot of analysis to figure out what would kind of make something more attractive, only available on the subscription side, not on the perpetual. There's services differentiation, including e-learning into certain packages. There's new offerings that are coming out, many in PLM, for example, that are only available on subscription. We removed the subscription flexibility that people used to negotiate into their perpetual contract. There's no remix in perpetual, but you get remix in subscription.

In fact, you can get extra remix multiple times a year in our subscription offering if you want. There's no more extended payment terms in perpetual. By definition, you pay over time. There's no extraordinary support discounts in perpetual. Of course, support discounts don't apply to subscription, but there's no extraordinary support discounts moving forward. Our sales comp. The rep makes more money to sell subscription than perpetual. I heard an anecdote, it's only an anecdote, so I don't want to go too far, of a sales exec in one of the GOs who was commenting that they're seeing some of their pipeline flip from perpetual to subscription. Someone else said, "Well, it's interesting. Customers are finding it so attractive so quickly." He said, "Well, to be honest, this is what we're selling to them." We're not giving them the perpetual option.

I think the fact that so much of our revenue goes through our direct sales force does give us more control over the transition than some other players who sell primarily through channel. We've got this program to migrate the support customers to subscription. Those are kind of the four basics of what we're doing.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Let me add one thing that actually you covered, but just to be clear. We also took the IoT perpetual business off the table.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Right.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

The one caveat is a partner like GE could do a perpetual deal because that's how they do it, but PTC sales guys won't be doing perpetual IoT business. It's not allowed.

Matthew Hedberg
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's great color, guys. Thank you very much. Looking forward to the 10th as well.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Ed Maguire from CLSA. Sir, your line is open.

Ed Maguire
Analyst, CLSA

Hi, good afternoon. I was interested to get a little bit of color on the logo adds in IoT. How much of those are new customers to PTC? As you realign the sales force, is there going to be any cross-selling that's encouraged, or are you going to really just focus on platforms and technologies?

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

There will be a tremendous amount of cross-selling, Ed, of IoT into the strategic platform. In the quarter, I don't have the exact data, but roughly half and half. Roughly half of the IoT business was new IoT business in companies that we've done other business with, and half of it was new IoT business coming from companies we've never done business with. Kind of a nice, healthy mix. Within the last year, if I think of the 290 logos all in, we actually did really well in the strategic base. There's definitely a huge cross-sell opportunity here. If you were in the platform part of PTC, you'd say that those solution guys at PTC are a terrific partner. I'd like to go get some more partners like that, right? If we can do that, then this business will really go somewhere.

In the meantime, and we'll make this crystal clear at Investor Day, our customers think the fit with IoT and analytics and augmented reality and SLM and CAD and PLM and ALM is magnificent. We'll show you exactly why with a little interactive demonstration. We'll let you guys play with it yourself, and it'll be crystal clear, I promise, on November 10th, why a CAD and PLM customer would be very excited about IoT, analytics, and augmented reality.

Ed Maguire
Analyst, CLSA

Great. Just a comment on the macro. Clearly you're seeing the weakness in the U.S. market, but as you roll out these model changes at the same time as there's different cyclicality and different macro conditions, do you anticipate any material differences in uptake of the subscription model across different regions based on the macro?

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

I wish we had a crystal ball and could tell on that. Subscription should, because you basically pay over time, it's less upfront investment, that by definition, that should be the type of thing that's easier for a company to do, even when things are more challenging. As their business cycles go, they're feeling like they're making less of a commitment than when you do a huge, large enterprise, big deal. We'll have to see how, frankly, the transition plays out.

Ed Maguire
Analyst, CLSA

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Thanks, Ed.

Operator

Our next question is from Jay Vleeschhouwer, from Griffin Securities. Sir, your line is open.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Hi, Jay.

Jay Vleeschhouwer
Analyst, Griffin Securities

Hey, Jim. How are you? Andy. I'd like to ask first a product question. You made a, I think, pretty critical comment earlier that you expect your [core] solutions business to grow at the market rates. That kind of brings us back to, obviously, your product roadmap and what you're delivering in the core products. You didn't really talk about that very much tonight, but could you comment on or reconfirm the very detailed and comprehensive product roadmaps that you articulated in Nashville? We wrote it up back in the summer, and you've got a lot on your plate in terms of delivering new versions of Windchill, x86 in December, and Creo 4.0, and so on and so forth.

Just to be clear, with everything that you're now talking about tonight, are you reconfirming the product release roadmaps that you've talked about and the timing and so forth that you've committed to?

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Yeah. Jay, as you know, I used to be the Chief Technology Officer, but that was five years ago, so I'm a little less in the details of the roadmap. I can tell you that by and large, I'm not aware of any substantial changes to what was talked about at the event in Nashville. The Windchill 11 release continues as planned, with the role-based apps, the connected PLM, the PLM/ALM integration, the BOM management, those types of things. Our Creo 4.0 release is scheduled for mid-2016. Model-based design, digital twin. That's pretty much, as I recall, what we talked about at-

Jay Vleeschhouwer
Analyst, Griffin Securities

Yeah

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

the event in Nashville. I don't want to reconfirm at a detailed level because I'm not at a detailed level at this point, but I can reconfirm at a general level, that we're proceeding with the plans as we had outlined them.

Jay Vleeschhouwer
Analyst, Griffin Securities

Mm-hmm. Okay. Second, I'd like to ask about the conversion of the base, which was talked about a little bit earlier. When we look at, for example, the Creo base, you have a very large number of customers with pretty low seat count. I think your average is similar to some of your competitors at roughly not quite 10 or less than 10 seats on average per customer in CAD anyway, probably more in PLM. The question there is, if you could address how you're going to involve the channel in converting the base. I can't imagine it's terribly cost-effective for you to use your direct sales force to convert the customers with one or two or three seats.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Yeah. The same programs that we're offering on the direct side, we will then channelize them to make them simple so that the channel could handle them and basically offer the same type of program. Because so much of our business does go direct, our subscription program was first focused on getting the direct right, and then focused on the new channel bookings, and then we'll focus secondly on kind of the ability to move those who are on support. We also did make changes, by the way, to our support to basically mirror what you see in the industry that will also prompt people to go to subscription. Things like if you fall off support, what it takes to get back on, you have to basically buy back all your prior support, plus one full year going forward, to get on support.

Same as SOLIDWORKS or Autodesk. We're limiting how long people can come back on support before they have to buy a new seat, with the idea that then we can give them an incentive to move to subscription. All of the programs you'd see in our competitors, we basically, October 1, have those same programs in place.

Jay Vleeschhouwer
Analyst, Griffin Securities

All right. Last, if I may, you commented on GE earlier. You also have a couple of other pretty interesting sounding partnerships, one with Salesforce, the other with ServiceMax. If you could comment on those, progress in terms of business development, the resources you're throwing at those, and so forth. Thanks.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Yeah. The ServiceMax partnership is much farther along and probably a tighter fit because they're really in the SLM business. They don't call it SLM, but they're in the business that we call SLM. They would call it field service automation. There's a great fit there. We have now shipped the integrated product that combines what PTC would call SLM, what PTC would call IoT, with what ServiceMax would call field service management. There's some customers who have already purchased it. There's a nice pipeline of customers who are pretty excited about it. In fact, I was in a customer meeting here at PTC with one of the executives of ServiceMax today. We're working closely together. That's going well. On both sides, we're pretty excited because again, as I've said, service operational efficiency is really the killer app for IoT.

We know that, and ServiceMax knows that. It turns out that this augmented reality stuff is also pretty darn important in service, so that's exciting to both parties. With respect to Salesforce, that's a newer partnership. It's a more general partnership. Salesforce is doing less substantive things in IoT right now today. They're talking about what they want to do, and they want to collaborate with people like PTC. Not so exclusively with PTC, maybe as ServiceMax. I don't think ServiceMax is contractually exclusive with us, but by God, they're working pretty close with us. I think that the relationship with Salesforce over time could be bigger because Salesforce is so much bigger. I think a lot of times in working with ServiceMax, we'll end up at the customers who use Salesforce, who would be interested in IoT anyway.

As probably everybody on the call knows, ServiceMax is built on Salesforce, and it's the best-selling service solution. It's just a couple of different ways into that ecosystem, and we're farther ahead because we're six months into the ServiceMax relationship and maybe one month into the Salesforce relationship. Yeah, they're excited. Hey, Jay, I also want to back up. One thing we didn't talk about, but I think it's worth sharing with you, is that actually our channel had a pretty good year in CAD and PLM. I'm not sure that was in our-

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

No

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

prepared remarks.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Yeah.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

It's one of the reasons, quite frankly, why I know we need to work on execution, because our product in the mid-market, where the channel's selling, did just fine. We performed as well as, or perhaps better than-

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Better than our market

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

in that space. It was really in the direct space where the big deal count and size went down, and the IoT number went up and so forth, that we really had the bigger issue with CAD and PLM. That's kind of the issue that we're moving to correct with structure and talent, as I said.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Thanks, Jim.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question is from Ms. Monika Garg from Pacific Crest. You may ask your question.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Monika. Hey, Monika.

Jason Celino
Analyst, Pacific Crest

Hi, this is actually Jason. Thanks for squeezing us in.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Sure.

Jason Celino
Analyst, Pacific Crest

I was just wondering, since you talked about the channel, are you guys gonna change the structure on how incentives work for that, too? I know it's only 22%, but just wondering that.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Are you asking relative to subscription?

Jason Celino
Analyst, Pacific Crest

Yeah.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

The channel partners will earn margin off the renewals, which is the big question. If they didn't earn margin off the renewal, they wouldn't sell subscription.

Jason Celino
Analyst, Pacific Crest

Okay.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Is that where you were going?

Jason Celino
Analyst, Pacific Crest

Yes. As far as the mix from the channel, are you expecting the channel to stay relatively the same, or are you guys going to be increasing or decreasing it?

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

The subscription mix or the general?

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Percent of revenue.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Oh, the percent of revenue. What I will share is we exited the year with almost 20% more capacity in the channel than we started. As we highlighted, the channel actually grew faster than the market for the year. A great way to go after the mid-market. We think we've got a great product for the mid-market. We think there's an opportunity there.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Yeah. No, I would counter that, Andy, with it depends a little bit on how we define the channel. Is GE channel?

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Oh, I was talking CAD. You're right. If you look at TPG.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Right. We look at the Technology Platform Group.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Yeah.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

That will be a new channel.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Yeah.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Quite frankly, we expect big things from there. I think maybe that's a question we should try to give you a follow-up answer on.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Investor Day, yeah.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

at the Investor Day, because depending upon if we're going with yesterday's definition of the channel or tomorrow's definition of the channel-

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Right

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

we would have a slightly different answer, probably.

Andrew Miller
CFO, PTC

Yes.

Jason Celino
Analyst, Pacific Crest

Okay, that works. Thank you.

James Heppelmann
CEO, PTC

Well, it sounded like that was the last question. I want to thank you all for going through this quite fulsome disclosure here on the business and all the changing metrics and so forth. We're at a point here where the management team is pretty excited. We really do think we have a strategy that's gonna drive growth. There's some things we need to do, but we can see it. I know from working with Andy that he is gonna drive this subscription thing right through the company. I've been watching him do that day by day, and it's like a train coming through town. Nobody's gonna stop it.

On this operating margin thing, I think we have a terrific track record there, we just took the next step when we announced this restructuring today, which is a difficult thing to do inside the company, but generally viewed pretty positively by our shareholders who see that, hey, these guys didn't give up on that. They're not distracted by IoT or subscription. They're gonna forge ahead as well with that. I really do think this company's gonna create a lot of value, I thank you all for taking the time to hear our story and for sticking with us, we'll look forward to seeing many of you on November 10th at our Investor Day as well. All right? With that, thanks a lot, and have a good evening. Bye-bye.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes today's conference. Thank you all for participating.