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Earnings Call: Q3 2018

Nov 7, 2018

Operator

Hello, welcome to the QuickLogic third quarter 2018 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Now I'd like to introduce your host for today's call. Mariah Shelton, you may begin.

Moriah Shilton
Investor Relations, QuickLogic

Thank you, Tawanda. Welcome everyone, thank you for joining us today for QuickLogic's third quarter fiscal 2018 results conference call. With us today are Brian Faith, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Dr. Sue Cheung, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I will read a short safe harbor statement. Some of the comments QuickLogic makes today are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties, including, but not limited to, stated expectations relating to revenue from new and mature products, statements pertaining to QuickLogic's future stock price and performance, design activity, and its ability to convert new design opportunities into production shipments, timing and market acceptance of its customers' products, schedule changes and projected production start dates that could impact the timing of shipments, the company's future evaluation systems, broadening the company's ecosystem partners, expected results, and financial expectations for revenue, gross margin, operating expenses, profitability, and cash.

These statements should be considered in conjunction with the cautionary warnings that appear in QuickLogic's SEC filings. For additional information, please refer to the company's SEC filings posted on its website and the SEC's website. Investors are cautioned that all forward-looking statements in this call involve risks and uncertainty, that future events may differ materially from the statements made. For more detail of these risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, please refer to those discussed under the heading Risk Factors in the annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31st, 2017, the company filed with the SEC on March 9th, 2018. These forward-looking statements are made as of today, the date of the conference call, management undertakes no obligation to revise or publicly release any revision of the forward-looking statements in light of any new information or future events.

Please note, QuickLogic uses its website, the company blog, QuickLogic Blog, its corporate Twitter account, Facebook page, and LinkedIn page as channels of distribution of information about its products, its planned financial and other announcements, its attendance at upcoming investor and industry conferences, and other matters. Such information may be deemed material information, QuickLogic may use these channels to comply with its disclosure obligations under Regulation FD. This conference call is open to all and is being webcast live. We will start today's call with the company's strategic update from QuickLogic's CEO, Brian Faith. CFO Sue Cheung will provide financial results and guidance. Brian will deliver some closing remarks and then open the call to questions. At this time, it is my pleasure to turn the call over to Brian Faith, President and CEO. Please go ahead, Brian.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Thank you, Mariah, and thank you all for joining our Q3 2018 conference call. I have quite a bit of exciting news to share with you today that bolsters our outlook for 2019 and beyond. Since our last conference call, we have expanded the scope and value of our MoU with a leading Japanese smartphone company. We have broadened our involvement with the leading consumer electronics company we mentioned on our last conference call that has designed in our EOS S3 in an AC-powered, always-on, always-listening application. We have initiated a new EOS S3 engagement with a leading consumer goods company for a high-volume, AC-powered, always-on, always-listening application in yet another new market sector for QuickLogic. I am very proud to announce we are forecasting material QuickAI revenue for Q4 2018.

An important point for QuickLogic that I want to highlight is the fact we are seeing mounting evidence of a broad industry shift from push-to-talk to always-on, always-listening voice interfaces. Our recent design wins and engagement activities suggest this trend is in the process of extending into a very wide range of end markets, many of which are totally new markets for QuickLogic. This shift to always-on, always-listening is important for QuickLogic because there is a focus on minimizing the power consumption of the interface, and that is where our multi-core EOS S3 SoC has a clear competitive advantage. We are even seeing a focus to minimize power consumption in AC-powered products that are obviously not worried about battery life but need to comply with new energy standards that limit standby or vampire power consumption.

This was the driver for the leading consumer electronics company that selected our EOS S3 for new products that will be shown in a couple of months at CES, it is also the driver for our engagement with the leading consumer goods company. The shift to always-on, always-listening is also punctuated by the release of Amazon's new Close Talk certification specification for always-listening products. Prior to the release of this specification, all the Alexa-compliant hearable and wearable devices in the market were push-to-talk.

There are a variety of good reasons why Amazon took time and care in drafting its new Close Talk specification, they can be boiled down to ensuring the quality of the Alexa experience across a vast number of third-party devices is consistent with the consumer expectations that Amazon has carefully fostered with its smart speakers. After implementing a software revision to accommodate a new requirement, we tested our EOS S3 against the Close Talk certification test with one mic and two mic configurations. Both configurations passed the test. With the specification released and the assurance of our internal test results, our hearable customers are implementing our latest software and modifying their designs as necessary to ensure compliance. One of our larger customers is close to completing this cycle and will submit a hearable device to Amazon this month for certification.

Our other customers are in various stages of internal testing and design modification. Based on what we know today, we expect the first of these products to move into production late this quarter and the balance during Q1 2019. While these delays impact our Q4 revenue outlook by more than half a million dollars, we now have a much clearer roadmap to revenue than we did three months ago. We have made solid progress on all fronts of our ArcticPro embedded FPGA IP initiative. On the foundry side of the equation, we completed our qualification for GlobalFoundries' 22 nanometer FDSOI fabrication process that is marketed as 22FDX. This means we have 3 process nodes qualified at GlobalFoundries, and that QuickLogic is the only source for embedded FPGA IP that is qualified on an FDSOI process.

This is important because the GlobalFoundries 22FDX process is optimized for low power and low cost and is being targeted by numerous semiconductor and systems companies for new SoC and ASIC designs. These include several of our ongoing ArcticPro eFPGA engagements and the RISC-V parallel ultra-low power or PULP IC from ETH Zurich, which some of our customer engagements intend to use as a platform to evaluate our ArcticPro embedded FPGA IP. In addition to GlobalFoundries, we also have a fabrication process qualified at SMIC and TSMC and have completed the porting to support a 2nd and more advanced fabrication node at TSMC. On the customer side of the equation, the new go-to-market strategy we introduced earlier this year continues to break the catch-22 loops that were stalling our engagements.

The short story is semiconductor companies wanted to run test chip experiments with our embedded FPGA technology before committing a significant amount of money to acquire an IP license for a new SoC design. To accommodate this and move the engagements forward, we created a master technology license agreement or MTLA. This solved two problems. First, it enables semiconductor companies and OEMs to build test chips using our ArcticPro embedded FPGA IP for only a modest cash investment. This provides them an opportunity to evaluate and quantify the benefits of our embedded FPGA IP ahead of making a commitment to a new SoC design. Second, the MTLA defines the terms and conditions of follow-on IP licenses.

This means the vast majority of the negotiations and legal work is accomplished within the MTLA, and the follow-on license agreements for targeted SoCs amount to only a couple pages that can be executed quickly without disrupting design flow. This is often critical, since an SoC design group that wants to use eFPGA may otherwise decide it does not have the time to go through tedious corporate-level approvals and license negotiations. This strategy also enhances our position with large semiconductor companies. With an MTLA in place and test chip in place, SoC design groups throughout large semiconductor companies are exposed to the availability of our solution and can realistically consider it, just as they would other IP blocks that are typically included in SoC designs. We signed our first two MTLAs with ETH Zurich and C-Sky Microsystems, which was subsequently acquired by Alibaba.

In line with the outlook we shared last quarter, we are on pace to sign additional MTLAs with semiconductor companies this quarter. C-Sky and the IC R&D team at Alibaba's Discovery, Adventure, Momentum, and Outlook Academy, or DAMO, are the cornerstones of Alibaba's new semiconductor initiative called Pingtouge Semiconductor. We believe our MTLA with C-Sky will drive multiple SoC licenses beginning in 2019. ETH Zurich selected our ArcticPro embedded FPGA for use in its RISC-V PULP platform that will be fabricated using GlobalFoundries' 22FDX fabrication process. ETH is currently targeting the tape-out for its PULP platform later this quarter and stated it will develop a number of compelling use cases that highlight the benefits of our embedded FPGA IP.

The PULP platform will give our potential IP customers the ability to evaluate the power savings and performance improvements that ArcticPro embedded FPGA hardware implementations deliver relative to software solutions running on an integrated RISC-V processor. This is critical for many use cases where designs must maintain the flexibility needed to adapt to new algorithms, yet still be optimized for performance and ultra-low power consumption. This is a very common use case for discrete FPGAs today. As we move now to EOS S3, I'm proud to announce we shipped record EOS S3 revenue in Q3 and continue to win some very impressive high-volume designs. However, we also continue to deal with one frustration. There was a shift in priorities at the Tier 1 smartphone customer that we've been working with for quite some time on three product designs.

As I reported in our last conference call, our EOS S3 was one of two competing ICs for the high-volume consumer wearable device the customer was targeting to have production ready by the end of 2018. However, due to a new wearable product that were recently introduced by our customer's competition, the consumer wearable design was pulled back for review, and the customer has dedicated 100% of its resources to reevaluating the design. As it stands today, our EOS S3 remains one of two solutions in the running for this design. Working in our favor is the fact EOS S3 has lower power consumption, a smaller package size, and is lower cost than our competition. While battery life, PCB space, and costs are clearly important, the customer is considering adding features that would require it to use the competitive solution that has more on-chip memory.

Due to the customer's all-hands-on-deck focus on the consumer wearable, final qualification and testing for our design win in the other wearable device and the EOS S3 evaluation for a new hearable device have not moved forward since our last conference call. Last May, Naver Labs released its first consumer product, the AKI smartwatch, which uses our EOS S3 to enable its always-on, always-listening voice interface. Naver Labs recently received notice from a supplier that a key component used in AKI will be discontinued. As a result, Naver Labs is faced with a choice of redesigning AKI, making a lifetime buy of the component, or a combination of both options. We have not received notification from Naver Labs yet as to what it will do. Due to this, we are modeling only modest shipments to Naver this quarter for AKI.

While this is clearly an unexpected setback, we developed a close working relationship with Naver Labs during the AKI development cycle that extends to its senior executives. Through this and the design experience and IP that Naver Labs have developed while working on AKI, our EOS S3 SoC has been selected for a new wearable design that is targeted for release in 2019. EEBVK had a very successful launch of its two new educational tablets that use our EOS S3 to enable easy and intuitive voice communications. As is the case for U.S. suppliers, Q3 is a seasonally strong quarter for educational products in China. Due to this, we are anticipating a seasonal decline in Q4, followed by a seasonally stronger demand in Q1. We have an ongoing engagement with EEBVK for a new high-volume product that is scheduled for release in 2019.

Last quarter, I announced that we signed an MoU with a large Japanese smartphone company. Since then, we have expanded the scope and value of the agreement significantly. With this expansion, the OEM has agreed to standardize on our EOS S3 SoC for all of its MCU applications in smartphones, feature phones, and IoT products. The selection of EOS S3 as a standard to be used across a broad scope of products by a major OEM is a big and unprecedented deal for QuickLogic. Last quarter, I mentioned a very significant design win with a leading consumer electronics company. While we continue to operate under a strict NDA with this company, I can provide the additional color I committed to have this quarter. The design is in a new consumer electronics product class for QuickLogic. The core design is a platform that will be used by multiple OEMs.

In total, there could be 10 or more models from various OEMs that use this platform design or an integrated version of the platform. The lead OEM is integrating the design into four initial models that we believe will be shown at CES. Higher volume models are expected to have values that range from $low to mid-seven figures. We expect to initiate production shipments for the first models introduced at CES in late Q1 2019, with volume ramping in subsequent quarters. We are in the early stages of a new design opportunity with this OEM that originated from the platform design. In addition to our recent success in consumer electronics, we are in the early stages of an EOS S3 engagement with a leading consumer goods OEM. This application represents yet another totally new product category for QuickLogic and has $low to mid-seven-figure annual potential.

If we are successful in winning the design, we expect it will move into production during the first half of 2019. We are also working closely with this company as it evaluates EOS S3 for a new platform design that targets a variety of high-volume consumer products, all of which would represent new product categories for QuickLogic. Before I turn the call over to Sue, I have some very exciting QuickAI news to share. I'm proud to announce that we anticipate reporting material QuickAI revenue in the fourth quarter. In looking towards the future, we believe this first QuickAI design win will drive $low seven-figure revenue in 2019. In addition to this, we already have several other QuickAI engagements that have the aggregate potential to drive $low to mid seven-figure revenue in 2019 and have product life cycles that extend for years beyond that.

We have opened a new engineering office in San Diego to support these engagements and other QuickAI development activities. I realize that given the very rapid move from introduction to material revenue leaves you with many questions, and I'm as anxious to provide those answers as you are to hear them. However, we are not quite ready to tip our hand to the competition. Our plan is to provide more color about QuickAI later this quarter, and with that, illustrate how our EOS S3 SoC plays a very important role in the high-value integrated solution. I would now like to turn the call over to Sue for discussion of the financials. Sue?

Sue Cheung
CFO, QuickLogic

Thank you, Brian. Good afternoon, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. Please note we're reporting our non-GAAP results. You may refer to the press release we issued today for a detailed reconciliation of our GAAP to non-GAAP results and other financial statements. We have also posted an updated financial table on our IR webpage that provides current and historical non-GAAP data. For the third quarter of 2018, total revenue was $3.5 million and within our guidance range. Our new product revenue was $1.5 million, and mature product revenue was $2 million. New product revenue was below our expectations due to delays associated with the release of Amazon specifications. Mature product revenue was above our expectations due to higher than usual seasonal demand. Due to our continued success in diversifying our customer base, we had four customers with greater than 10% of total revenue in the third quarter.

Our Q3 2018 gross margin was 50.5% and within our forecasted range. Operating expenses for Q3 rounded up to $4.5 million and were within our forecasted range. R&D expenses were $2.2 million, and SG&A expenses were $2.2 million. R&D expenses were lower than anticipated due to the timing of certain engineering projects. The net total for other income expense and taxes in Q3 2018 was a $33,000 charge, which was below our forecast due to foreign currency exchange fluctuations. Net loss was $2.7 million, or $0.03 per share, which was within our forecasted range. Net cash usage during the third quarter was $1.6 million, significantly below our expectations. The lower than expected cash usage was driven mostly by a large decrease in accounts receivable, which was attributable to the timing of shipments in Q2 and Q3 that more than offset a decline in our accounts payable.

Cash usage also benefited from a $120,000 decrease in inventory, net of reserves taken during the quarter. In September, we entered into a new loan agreement with Heritage Bank of Commerce for a $9 million revolving line of credit. This credit facility increased our access to working capital, extends the term for two years, and it replaces the prior $6 million credit facility with Silicon Valley Bank. As you notice on our balance sheet, we have borrowed $9 million from this new facility, which illustrates to our customers that we have the capital in hand to support their orders. We're confident that Heritage Bank is the right partner to support our future working capital needs as our revenue grows. Turning to the fourth quarter 2018 outlook. Our revenue guidance for Q4 is approximately $3.5 million ±10%.

Total revenue is expected to be comprised of approximately $2 million of new product revenue and $1.5 million of mature product revenue. The sequential increase in new product revenue is expected to be driven mostly by higher EOS S3 revenue, which includes a material revenue contribution from QuickAI that more than offsets the anticipated decrease in DisplayBridge revenue. On a non-GAAP basis, we expect our gross margin to be approximately 50% ±3%. We are forecasting non-GAAP operating expenses at approximately $4.9 million ±$300,000. We expect our non-GAAP R&D expenses to be approximately $2.6 million and non-GAAP SG&A expenses to be approximately $2.3 million. The sequential increase in R&D expenses is attributable to higher forecasted costs associated with our embedded FPGA and QuickAI initiatives. We expect our other income expense and taxes will be a charge of approximately $60,000.

At the midpoint of our forecast, our non-GAAP loss is expected to be approximately $3 million, or $0.03 per share. As was the case in prior quarters, the main difference between our GAAP to non-GAAP results is our stock-based compensation expense, which we expect to be approximately $480,000 for the fourth quarter. In Q4, we expect to use between $3.5 million and $4 million in cash. The anticipated sequential increase in cash usage is mostly attributable to increased R&D expenses and the timing of working capital requirements. With that, let me now turn the call back over to Brian for his closing remarks.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Thank you, Sue. Before opening the call for Q&A, I want to take a moment to highlight what I think are some important points for our investors to take away from this conference call. The MTLA strategy that we introduced earlier this year to accelerate the adoption of our ArcticPro embedded FPGA IP is breaking the catch-22 loops that were stalling our license engagements. We signed 2 MTLAs earlier this year and expect to sign several more this quarter. We believe we will start to see IP license agreements targeting specific SoCs beginning in Q1 2019. We are seeing mounting evidence that major OEMs are moving away from push-to-talk technology and adopting always-on, always-listening voice interfaces. This trend has led to increased interest in our EOS S3 SoC from OEMs in a wide variety of end markets. Amazon has released its new Close Talk certification for always-on, always-listening products.

We have numerous EOS S3 customers that have been waiting for this release and are now adapting to the new requirements that will enable them to brand their products as Alexa-enabled. We expect the first of these products to move into production late this quarter and the balance during Q1 2019. We have significantly expanded the scope and value of our MoU with a major Japanese smartphone OEM. With this, the OEM has agreed to standardize on our EOS S3 SoC in all of its MCU designs in smartphones, feature phones, and IoT products. We expect the first smartphone to be released during the spring of 2019. Beyond mobile applications, where our EOS S3 is often selected to optimize battery life, we are winning designs in AC power products that target compliance with new standby power requirements.

In these applications, the ultra-low power and the ease of using our EOS S3 are obvious benefits. More subtle, though, is the multi-core architecture that includes embedded FPGA. In these applications, the embedded FPGA provides the flexibility needed for platform designs that must interface with multiple end products and the ability to reduce the chip count of designs by absorbing functions in the eFPGA that would otherwise require external ICs. We have won a major EOS S3 platform design with a leading consumer electronics company that represents a totally new market category for QuickLogic. We expect the first four products using an integrated version of the platform to be shown at CES in January. Following that, we expect multiple OEMs to introduce a total of 10 or more new products using the platform design. The higher-volume products have low to mid-seven-figure potential for QuickLogic.

We are engaged with a leading consumer goods company for a high-volume AC power design in another new market category for QuickLogic. If we are successful, we expect this design to go into production during the first half of 2019. To say QuickAI is being well-received would be an understatement. We expect to report material QuickAI revenue in Q4, which is several quarters ahead of our original forecast. QuickAI is a high-value integrated solution that brings EOS S3 into a vast number of new markets with product life cycles that typically run for many years. I am looking forward to providing more color about QuickAI later this quarter. With that, I think you will appreciate its potential to deliver significant revenue in 2019 and beyond. At the bottom line, we believe our growth strategy for 2019 is sound and bolstered by our recent successes.

We also believe we are set to enter next year with far less dependence on single designs, single customers, and on products that require third-party qualifications. Operator, I would now like to turn the call over for questions.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question at this time, please press star, then the one key on your touchtone telephone. That's star, then one on your touchtone telephone. If your question has been answered and you wish to remove yourself from the queue, you may do so by pressing the pound key. Our first question comes from Gary Mobley with Benchmark. Your line is open.

Gary Mobley
Analyst, Benchmark

Hi, Brian. Hi, Sue.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Hey, Gary.

Sue Cheung
CFO, QuickLogic

Hi, Gary.

Gary Mobley
Analyst, Benchmark

I wanted to start out asking about QuickAI, and I know you're not going to share a lot of details with respect to the type of customer, whatever you would give hint to who the customer is. I'm wondering if the revenue that you're generating from this engagement really is just NREs and the low seven-digit millions of dollars in revenue from QuickAI you expect in 2019. Is that in the bag, so to speak, and related to this early engagement?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Firstly, it is not NRE. It is product revenue. To your second question, this particular company has a broad set of markets and applications that they're targeting. They've been exploring how they can use AI as a key element of these products for quite some time now. I think there's a confluence of events for us where we've come with a solution that has value and integration. They've been looking at how they can deploy AI in an easy-to-use way, and they have end demand for their products. That confluence of events has sort of led to today, and for next year, it'll be diversified across several different products with this company. When you say, I think you said, is it in the bag or in hand?

We don't have POs that cover all of next year, we have a good relationship with this company, and they have traction, and I think that the combination of that gives us the confidence to give that outlook for next year.

Gary Mobley
Analyst, Benchmark

Okay. With respect to the R&D effort for this project, why San Diego?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

That's a good question. There's a huge software component to our solution now as we've moved into processing not just sensors, but microphones, and AI is yet a different level of complexity. When we looked at where a lot of the innovation is happening in AI in the world today, it's typically a lot of invested money in China and in the U.S., and there's a lot of companies that are developing endpoint AI products in the U.S. We wanted for this type of initiative to have an R&D team that was strong in embedded software, strong in AI, and very close to a lot of what we believe is going to be, not just the R&D teams within QuickLogic that are executing on this, but also our customers. If you look at San Diego, it's an hour flight from the Bay Area.

They've got a lot of good software and embedded software engineers down there. The gentleman that we've hired to lead that office for us actually has a PhD in AI, of all things. When you look at that combination, it's kind of a no-brainer.

Gary Mobley
Analyst, Benchmark

Got you. Okay. All right. That's it for me. Thanks.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Thanks, Gary.

Sue Cheung
CFO, QuickLogic

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Suji Desilva with ROTH Capital. Your line is open.

Suji Desilva
Analyst, ROTH Capital

Hi, Brian. Hi, Sue. Thanks for guiding the fourth quarter, including the cash usage. Do you think that cash usage level will be steady, or will it increase as you have to build inventory for some of the customers you expect to ramp in the 2019 timeframe?

Sue Cheung
CFO, QuickLogic

Hi, Suji. It's Sue. Yes, you're right. As we ramp up the inventory, the cash burn will increase. We can see that average out, that about a $3 million plus or minus, at the current revenue level.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Suji, let me just add on top of that because your question is related to inventory. I think one of the things that we want to obviously manage here is the build of that inventory, where we keep it in terms of WIP versus finished goods, to make sure that we do not hinder the ramp that we're anticipating with our customers. If you look at the inventory line that we have, a lot of that is actually kept in WIP, which takes care of the long lead time item going through foundry. The short lead time for us is a few weeks to go through assembly, and that's where we can pick the package and how it actually goes to market.

In total, right now, I think our inventory is well-positioned to cover probably the first $10 million worth or so of EOS revenue, and we're coming at a good position right now for that.

Suji Desilva
Analyst, ROTH Capital

Right. Thanks for that data point. That's helpful. Also, QuickAI, obviously a lot of interest here. I'm just curious, I thought this would be a longer cycle product, given it sounds more complex, yet you seem to be turning it around pretty quickly. I'm curious how that is happening with the engagements relative to traditional engagements. Also, is there a geographic customer interest pattern you're finding for QuickAI out of the gate?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Yeah. A few questions there to answer. Firstly, I do think there was a lot of pent-up demand for bringing AI into a collection of customers that maybe don't have so much PCB design expertise, hardware design expertise, and embedded software. The fact that our product that we're bringing to market integrates a lot of that work for the customer makes it very easy for them to use. The fact they were already looking for some time on how to bring AI to market makes it a faster cycle for us. I think we'll see other customers that fall into that category as well in the near term.

I do think that there's going to be a lot of the classic industrial IoT-type customers that do have longer time to develop, but we're trying to prioritize the ones that are already committed to some form of AI and are just looking for a solution to use. That's how we're prioritizing. To your question about geographies, we're being very purposeful about how we roll this out in terms of go-to-market. We are focusing on areas where there's a lot of industrial IoT products being developed that want to deploy AI. Europe, North America, Japan, and Korea first. After that, we'll start to spend more time rolling that out in geographies beyond what I just said.

Suji Desilva
Analyst, ROTH Capital

Okay. Thanks, Brian. Last question here. The licensing starting here, for the embedded FPGA. What's the flow of additional licensing revenue? How would you characterize sort of the milestones for the MTLA customers and the timeframes, just to understand what would the progression be for these guys?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

From an MTLA integration into a test chip and getting a test chip back and vetting those use cases is probably on the order of around six months because of the cycle times of a test chip. There are cases where I think we're compressing that cycle by doing things with ETH, where their test chip's going to be back in early Q1. Customers that are using that as an evaluation can use that and make a decision sooner without doing their own test chip. There's other folks that we've been engaged with in the funnel for months, and in some cases, quarters, that I think may not necessarily have to go through that whole test chip in order to sign a deal, which is why we're talking about Q1 timeframe for doing actual licenses for revenue.

Suji Desilva
Analyst, ROTH Capital

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

You're welcome.

Operator

As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that's star one if you'd like to ask the question. Our next question comes from the line of Richard Shannon with Craig-Hallum. Your line is open.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Hi, Brian, Sue. Thanks for taking my questions as well.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Sure.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Hi. Let me follow up on the last topic here of MTLAs. I'm going to ask a question before following up on the last statements you just made, Brian. I think you said you expected a number of MTLAs to be signed in the fourth quarter. Did I catch that correctly? Can you give us any more detail on the magnitude of those?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Yeah, we do expect to sign several this quarter. In terms of magnitude, you talking about number or dollar value?

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Yeah. Both. Any way you can quantify either would be great.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

I'd say it's somewhere between one and five. I don't know exactly based on the timeframe of decision-making for these companies, but it's in that, fits on one hand.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Okay.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

In terms of dollar value, I'd say dollar value for the MTLAs is not going to be a huge driver.

We try to make that a very frictionless process for the company to get a hold of the technology and understand its value. In terms of what we think those could translate into in actual real license revenue, that's probably north of $1 million in aggregate just for those handful.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Okay. Did I understand correctly, based on the question of the prior caller, that the full line license revenues could happen in the first quarter?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Yes, some of them could.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Okay. Perfect. That's very helpful. Sorry for the random sequence of questions here. I got a question on the fourth quarter guidance here. I think, Sue, you talked about growth in new product sales. Did I hear correctly that some of this is coming from QuickAI? Wondering if you can characterize how the remainder growth in the new product category, specifically S3 revenues from any of the Bluetooth customers who are going through Amazon certification.

Sue Cheung
CFO, QuickLogic

Okay. It is mainly driven by EOS S3, QuickAI is a part of those EOS category. That's the majority part of it, QuickAI in EOS S3, and the other part will be driven by Bluetooth, the hearable thing that qualifies for Amazon's stack.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Okay. That is helpful. Let's see here, a couple more questions. Actually, Sue, we'll go to another one for you on the R&D. I think you talked about it being in the level of, I think, $2.6 million pro forma for the fourth quarter. How should we expect that to transition into 2019?

Sue Cheung
CFO, QuickLogic

Expect that it's a range, I would say, for R&D is going to stay at about $2.6 million or $2.8 million per quarter on average.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Okay. That's helpful. Brian, maybe a couple questions for you. I think in your prepared remarks, hopefully I caught this correctly as I think I got on the call a bit late, but I think you're referring to the tier 1 smartphone OEM with which you had one wearable design win and were engaged in some others. Is that the OEM that you're talking about that has shifted its priorities and you're kind of on hold there? Is that accurate?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Yeah, that same tier 1 smartphone OEM. Correct.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Okay. Any visibility on when that decision could be made and, or do you just kind of consider that on hold for the time being?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

I'm hopeful that they'll make that this quarter, because I know they'd originally targeted to have the first consumer one done by the end of this quarter. I'm not sure what point you came in the call, but I also talked about the fact that there was another product in the market that sort of caused them to have pause and go back and look at their whole planning process. I'm hopeful they'll have that decision by the end of this quarter, but I don't know for sure.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Okay. Well, that's fair enough. Let's see here, one or two last questions. Brian, did I hear you say that you've got a second process at TSMC that you're qualified on? If so, can you characterize it, like the node or what applications are your target?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

We did send a support for another process node at TSMC, and we'll be coming out with the press release shortly that'll give the details about that. I'd rather not do it on the call today, and we'll make sure that those details are covered in the PR.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Okay, perfect. We'll look forward to that. My last question for you, I've got to jump on a line. Last quarter, you talked about the hope and expectation of 50% sales growth for next year. I didn't hear anything on this call. Is that something you're still supporting or is it too difficult to support right now from your visibility?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

No, I'm absolutely still supporting it. That's why I used the word bolstered in my opening and closing remarks. If you look back at all of the diversification we've had in the sales funnel and the wins, the concrete wins with OEMs that are very large, the expansion of the MU, all of those. Now you layer in this sort of sooner QuickAI revenue than what we had originally anticipated. All of that, I think, just gives us more confidence in that number for next year.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Okay. Just want to make sure because it sounds like you've got some great progress in, particularly in these platform wins, it sounded like. I just want to make sure.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Absolutely.

Richard Shannon
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

That's all the questions for me. Thank you.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Great. Thanks, Richard.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rick Neaton with RiverShores Investment. Your line is open.

Rick Neaton
Analyst, Rivershore Investment

Thank you. Hi, Brian. Hi, Sue.

Sue Cheung
CFO, QuickLogic

Hi, Rick.

Rick Neaton
Analyst, Rivershore Investment

Hi. Can you provide any more color on the ASPs for QuickAI revenue that you're expecting in the near term?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Yeah, Stay tuned for later this quarter where we really start to articulate a lot more detail about this whole thing. I've been trying to hold back a little bit for competitive reasons on this call, just so that you're all aware, for the QuickAI, the ASP should be in the mid-double digit range, which is significantly higher than just EOS S3 into a consumer product.

Rick Neaton
Analyst, Rivershore Investment

Okay, thank you. Last quarter, you stated that you had actual license revenue opportunities at ETH Zurich for your work on the PULP platform there at the 22FDX node. Is that still the case today?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

It is. Just to clarify, it's not with ETH themselves because they're a research university, it's from other companies that have or intend to commercialize the developments that ETH does do. From those, yes, we do anticipate license revenue from those entities that are watching and/or working very closely with ETH Zurich.

Rick Neaton
Analyst, Rivershore Investment

Okay. You told the prior analysts that you're still supporting, and you still feel confident in, greater than 50% revenue growth in 2019 versus this year. Is that being bolstered by the higher ASPs and the higher opportunities in revenue from QuickAI?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

QuickAI certainly helps it because of, I think, the value that we're bringing and the ASPs of that solution. That's one. The second is just, again, if you go back and you do a snapshot in time from a year ago to today and you talk about the wins that we actually have and the engagements we have, it's a very different dynamic. Much bigger OEMs in control of their own products with launch plans, versus this time last year where we had a much narrower set of OEMs and more ODMs and IDHs. You combine all that together, yeah, that's definitely what bolsters our thoughts on that. By the way, the other thing, too, is just this whole notion that voice is going everywhere from an always-on point of view.

If you asked me last year, would we be in a consumer white goods product, would we be in a consumer electronics product that are line powered, I'd say, "No, I don't think so." Yet, here we are today. All of these just add more evidence to me that next year is going to be that breakout year.

Rick Neaton
Analyst, Rivershore Investment

Speaking of the consumer electronics product platform, you said that this is a platform that's going to have multiple OEMs involved in the manufacture and sale of this particular product. Did I hear that correct?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

I think I did say multiple OEMs, yes.

Rick Neaton
Analyst, Rivershore Investment

Okay. When you talk about four products being displayed at CES in January, last quarter, you talked about 10 possible products coming out of this design win. Are these four of those 10?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

That's a complicated answer without-

Rick Neaton
Analyst, Rivershore Investment

Do you understand my question?

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Yeah, I do understand your question. It's a complicated answer given the NDA that we have with this one company.

Rick Neaton
Analyst, Rivershore Investment

Okay.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Yes, four are of the 10. It would be more than 10 individual products if we look at it in the same way. I know that's complicated.

Rick Neaton
Analyst, Rivershore Investment

Okay. That's helpful.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

I really can't be more specific without giving out too much at this point. Stay tuned for CES, and I think it'll be more clear at that point.

Rick Neaton
Analyst, Rivershore Investment

Okay. Thanks, Brian. That's all. Thank you.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

Thank you, Rick.

Sue Cheung
CFO, QuickLogic

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to Brian Faith for closing remarks.

Brian Faith
President and CEO, QuickLogic

All right. Well, we'll be participating at the following investor and industry events this quarter. The fourth annual ROTH Technology Corporate Access Day, being held at the Empire Steakhouse in New York on November 14th. The ninth annual Craig-Hallum Capital Group Alpha Select Conference, being held at the Sheraton New York Times Square Hotel in New York on November 15th. The ICCAD China 2018 conference in Zhuhai, China on November 29th and 30th. The Benchmark Company Discovery One-on-One Conference , being held at the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago on November 29th. The RISC-V Summit in Santa Clara, California on December 3rd through 6th. The LD Micro MicroCap Main Event, being held at the Luxe Sunset Boulevard Hotel in Los Angeles on December 4th. A wide range of OEM products showcasing various QuickLogic devices will be at our demo suite at CES 2019 in Las Vegas from January 8 to 11th.

We will also demonstrate the QuickAI module for predictive maintenance and audio applications. We look forward to seeing you at these events. Our next conference call is scheduled for Wednesday, February 13th at 2:30 P.M. Pacific Time. Thank you for your participation and continued support, and goodbye.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. That concludes the call. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a wonderful day.