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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

May 26, 2022

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the RBC Bearings’ Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star one , on your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Josh Carroll, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Josh Carroll
Investor Relation Officer, RBC Bearings

Good morning, and thank you for joining us for RBC Bearings’ Fiscal 2022 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Earnings Conference Call. With me on the call today is Dr. Michael Hartnett, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Daniel Bergeron, Director, Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, and Robert Sullivan, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before beginning today's call, let me remind you that some of the statements made today will be forward-looking and are made under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those projected or implied due to the variety of factors.

We refer you to RBC Bearings' recent filings with the SEC for a more detailed discussion of the risks that could impact the company's future operating results and financial condition. These factors are also described in greater detail in the press release and on the company's website. In addition, reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP financial information is included as part of the release and is available on the company's website. Now I'll turn the call over to Dr. Hartnett.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Okay. Thank you, Josh, and good morning and welcome. I'll present the highlights of our fourth quarter, and following me, Rob and Dan will discuss some of the details of this summary. RBC Bearings' net sales for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022 were $358.9 million versus $160.3 million for the same period last year, an increase of 123.9%. For the fourth fiscal quarter of 2022, sales of industrial products represented 71% of our net sales, and aerospace products represented 29% of revenues. Adjusted gross margin for the quarter was $144.3 million or 40.2% of net sales.

This compares to $67.2 million or 39.1% for the same period last year. Adjusted operating income was $70.4 million, 19.6% of net sales. This compares to last year's $32.5 million or 20.3% , a 116% increase. Adjusted diluted EPS was $1.26 a share, and cash EPS was $2.15 per share for the three-month period. Revenues adjusted diluted EPS and cash EPS for the full year were $942.9 million, $3.89 per share, and $6.51 per share, respectively. Five months of Dodge Industrial revenue, which was our period of ownership, were $291.9 million, and RBC's revenues, net of Dodge Industrial's revenues for the full year, were $651 million.

Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $104.4 million, 29.1% of net sales, compared to $45.9 million and 28.6% for the same period last year, a 127% increase. It's very clear we are thrilled with the record performance of the business this quarter and with the overall speed of integration and management cohesion of these two extraordinary and complementary businesses. Now, let's talk a little bit about our sectors, industrial and aerospace. During the period, demand for industrial products continued to exceed both our capacity and that of some of our suppliers. We have worked through these constraints tirelessly over the past many months and see some relief as we head into our second quarter.

The problem will continue to test us during the next few months and will with reduced impact on our revenues. Our industrial businesses were up about 300% on a quarter-over-quarter basis, mainly because of the Dodge acquisition completed in November. The base or classic RBC industrial businesses expanded approximately 16% for both the OEM and distribution, with both OEM and distribution expanding in the mid-teens range. As stated earlier, the total industrial revenues were $253.9 million, and demand from all industrial markets served was very strong. Turning now to aerospace and defense. The fourth quarter of fiscal 2022 net sales were up by 8.8%, led by aircraft OEM, which expanded at 21%.

We are experiencing a sea change in demand for aircraft OEMs from both Boeing and Airbus as they increase their build rates for the single aisle on the 737 and the A320 ships. This is complemented by the introduction of new products that we are supplying for both of these planes. Looking ahead, each successive quarter stands more robust than the last, reflecting the rate increases planned by the major builders. Consequently, we're seeing a stepped increase in demand for our commercial plane from our commercial plane manufacturers. This will impact successive quarters this year and through next fiscal year and beyond.

We are currently adding to our installed capacity to accommodate these higher volumes of single aisle production and for the new products that we're producing for these fleets. We look forward to the increased build rates of the wide-body jets next year, as our content per plane is several multiples of those , for the narrow bodies. Increased production rates for the 787 and 777 , greater planned for 2023 and beyond are welcome and will be meaningful to us for the next several years. On defense, our defense OEM business revenues were down about 2%, which is more reflective of timing on shipments than demand for these products. OEM demand for defense priority programs is substantial in building for us today.

These products are normally complex and highly engineered and requiring longer engineering and manufacturing cycles, hence lumpier revenues through the quarters. The defense and aircraft market sectors were about flat with last year, although we have seen a flurry of demand for MRO defense products in recent weeks. I'm sure that doesn't surprise anyone. Following this activity, we're expecting to see increased spending from the military in the quarters ahead as we are still within production lead times in the fiscal year. Any defense bolts would show up as soon as our fourth quarter. Regarding our fourth quarter, we are expecting sales to be between $355 million and $365 million. I'll now turn the call over to Rob for more detail on the financial performance.

Robert Sullivan
VP and CFO, RBC Bearings

Thank you, Mike. Expanding on gross margin that Mike already covered, gross margin for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022 was affected by a $6.8 million inventory step-up related to the Dodge acquisition. This is not expected to impact future quarters. SG&A for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022 was $56 million, compared to $27.4 million for the same period last year. As a percentage of net sales, SG&A was 15.6% for the quarter of fiscal 2022, compared to 17.1% for the same period last year. Other operating expenses for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022 totaled $23.7 million, compared to $5.3 million for the same period last year.

For the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022, other operating expenses included $5.7 million of costs associated with the Dodge acquisition, including $4.7 million of costs associated with transition services. There's also $17.2 million of amortization of intangible assets and $800,000 of other items. Other operating expense for the same period last year consisted mainly of $2.5 million of amortization of intangible assets, $1.5 million of costs associated with the cyber event, $1.0 million of restructuring costs and related items, and $300,000 of other costs. Operating income was $57.8 million for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022, compared to operating income of $29.7 million for the same period in fiscal 2021.

On an adjusted basis, operating income was $70.4 million for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022, compared to adjusted operating income of $32.5 million for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2021. For the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022, the company reported a net income of $32.2 million, compared to net income of $25.0 million for the same period last year. On an adjusted basis, net income was $42.0 million for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022, compared to $27.4 million for the same period last year. Net income available to common stockholders for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022 was $26.5 million, compared to net income of $25.0 million for the same period last year.

On an adjusted basis, net income available to common stockholders for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022 was $36.3 million, compared to $27.4 million for the same period last year. Diluted earnings per share was $0.92 per share for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022, compared to $0.99 per share for the same period last year. On an adjusted basis, diluted earnings per share for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022 was $1.26 per share, compared to adjusted diluted earnings per share of $1.08 per share for the same period last year. Diluted cash earnings per share was an adjusted $2.15 for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022, compared to $1.36 for the same period last year.

Adjusted net cash net income and adjusted cash earnings per share excludes non-cash expenses for depreciation and amortization of fixed and intangible assets, stock compensation, and amortization of deferred financing fees, net of the tax impact. We believe that adjusted cash net income and adjusted cash earnings per share are useful in assessing our financial performance by excluding items that do not affect the cash available to common stockholders. Turning to cash flow, the company generated $46.9 million in cash from operating activities in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022, compared to $41.9 million for the same period last year, and $180.3 million in cash from operating activities for the 12-month period fiscal 2022, compared to $152.5 million for the same period last year.

Capital expenditures were $8 million in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022 compared to $3 million for the same period last year. Total debt as of year-end was $1.69 billion, and cash on hand was $182.9 million. I would now like to turn the call back to the operator for the question and answer session.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you'll need to press star one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Our first question comes from Kristine Liwag with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Kristine Liwag
Managing Director and Head of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Hey, good morning, guys.

Daniel Bergeron
VP and COO, RBC Bearings

Morning.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Morning.

Robert Sullivan
VP and CFO, RBC Bearings

Morning.

Kristine Liwag
Managing Director and Head of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Looking at your gross margins in the quarter, I mean, 40%+ gross margin's pretty impressive. I was wondering if you could talk about what were the key drivers into that? How much was on pricing versus synergies from the deal?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yeah. Well, where do we start? First of all, on the RBC side of the business, the classic RBC side, we had some favorable mix, and that was positive. On the Dodge side, I would say where the synergy was, first, let's talk about pricing. Obviously, with what's going on in supply chain, there's shortages and there's inflationary impacts that are meaningful. So we've been able to price the product in accordance with, neutralizing the inflationary impact of it that we've been experiencing. For the most part, that's been pretty neutral. We've been on our game in terms of understanding what that pricing impact needs to be and what the inflationary impact is.

Metrics have been good. Systems have been clear. Actions, the right action has been taken. We've trimmed the ship just the way the ship needed to be trimmed during the period. We're pretty happy with that, and we're pretty happy with the people that were in the middle of managing that.

I think in terms of synergy, I think one of the more important and more immediate synergistic elements of the Dodge acquisition is that we pretty much moved them into sort of the RBC's operating management schedule, where basically , we kind of review plant by plant what the forecast is, what the product build is gonna be, what the expenses are gonna be, what the efficiencies of the plant are, what the needs of the capital or the capital requirement for the plant might be, and so on, so forth. We do that sort of monthly with, you know, every one of the RBC plants and now every one of the Dodge plants.

That's had the effect of sort of keeping people sort of focused on the important elements of running the business. That focus has created an environment the details of running the operations are clear and the actions that need to be taken are clear. The Dodge folks have responded extraordinarily well to this process, probably better than any acquisition we've ever had in the past. They embraced it. I think that really helped their operational efficiencies quite a bit during the period.

That's, in terms of synergy, that's the most immediate thing that we could do, that we did do in order to sort of gain the efficiency needs that we thought would be inherent in the business. I think in terms of other synergies, clearly, it's very early in the game for us and the RBC side of the business, the most impactful supply chain issues we've had to date are with Dodge. The RBC resources have been applied to assist in remedying some of those supply chain constraints. Some of the RBC production sites will be effective in the future in taking over some of that supply responsibility.

Kristine Liwag
Managing Director and Head of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

That's really helpful. When we think about your next fiscal year, is that 40% gross margin a good starting point for the year?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Well, I think we're gonna live in that neighborhood. I think Rob and Dan have kind of their own opinion about that. I'll let them speak to it. I think we're gonna live in that neighborhood.

Daniel Bergeron
VP and COO, RBC Bearings

You know, Kristine, it's Dan. Right now we're targeting internally at least 50 basis points by the end of the year, and it'll be lumpy and quarter -to -quarter, as it always is. I think that's definitely achievable number for us.

Kristine Liwag
Managing Director and Head of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Wow. That's great to hear. If I could sneak one more in. In terms of integration with Dodge, you've now owned the business for a few quarters now, what have been the surprises that you've seen as you're doing the integration? Are there any unexpected negatives that you've had to address?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yeah, well, I think the biggest surprise that we've had. There's no question about it. Certainly, we started the acquisition process sort of last August, I think, right? Where we had a signed agreement, and we started working through the details of everything and learning more about the business and we've had enough experience with acquisitions to know what goes bang in the night and what to watch out for. We've never had an acquisition where the problem was we had too much business.

Kristine Liwag
Managing Director and Head of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Well, that's a good problem to have.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Of all the things that we anticipated, we didn't really have that. We didn't have that teed up, but it became clear as we moved towards the closing date, that the demand for their product was just overwhelming and beyond anything we expected or experienced. Obviously, what does Mike Tyson say? You go into a fight with a strategy and that goes out the window as soon as somebody punches you in the face. We went into the acquisition with a certain strategy, but we had to put a lot of it on ice while we dealt with the more immediate problem of getting product to our customers.

Kristine Liwag
Managing Director and Head of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Great. Thank you for that color. That's wonderful to hear about. I mean, this is your largest acquisition. So if that's the biggest problem we have, that's a great problem. I'll pass it on to the next analyst.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Pete Skibitski with Alembic Global. Your line is open.

Pete Skibitski
Director of Defense and Aerospace Equity Research, Alembic Global Advisors

Hey, good morning, everyone. Mike, it sounds like your message of last quarter, which was, I think your demand signals and industrial were through the roof. It sounds like that message is continuing. Some people are talking about a recession, right? You're talking about adding capacity. Do you feel pretty confident that that demand is gonna remain strong for the foreseeable future, at least for another year or so? Maybe you can give us a sense of how much capacity you're looking to add.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

It's a question that has lots of answers because we have lots of divisions that have lots of needs. I'll try to keep it to the top of the Pareto here. In terms of Dodge capacity, it's hard for us to predict what the industrial economy is gonna do for the rest of the year. Now, having said that, we employ all sorts of economists that are specialists in the industrial world who give us projections on what the future looks like. All of those projections that we've seen to date have been positive for the industrial business. You know, we see the.

On the aircraft business, we look at Boeing's build-out rate and Airbus's build-out rate, and it doesn't look like a short-term recession, if that is in the cards, will really impact that build-out rate. Remember, one of the key things that are driving the need for the Boeing 737 MAX is its fuel efficiency. Now with fuel prices where they are, that's even more justification for the plane operators to buy more MAX machines. So I think the aircraft business is gonna be really solid. I think the defense business is really good today.

You know, we're actually talking about the need for probably building another plant to support the defense business because our capacity is strained very much in that area right now.

Pete Skibitski
Director of Defense and Aerospace Equity Research, Alembic Global Advisors

Okay. That's great. Do you have an estimate for the CapEx spend that you're expecting in fiscal 2023?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yeah, we're gonna hover right around that 2.5%-3% of sales as we move forward.

Pete Skibitski
Director of Defense and Aerospace Equity Research, Alembic Global Advisors

Okay. Last one for me. Mike, did you see any negative impact from the shutdowns in China?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yeah, we actually have a plant in China, and so we're having, our revenues are—it’s a small plant— our revenues are modestly impacted by that shutdown right now. We do have suppliers in China that are part of the supply chain. We actually have to fly hardware over to keep some of our lines running in some of the plants and so we're doing that. It's just the cost of doing business.

Pete Skibitski
Director of Defense and Aerospace Equity Research, Alembic Global Advisors

Okay. Excluding the plant you have in China, some of the product that you export is ex sales into China. It sounds like you didn't see, you know, a meaningful decline in demand there.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

No, that's correct.

Pete Skibitski
Director of Defense and Aerospace Equity Research, Alembic Global Advisors

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yep.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Joe Ritchie
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hey, good morning, guys. Nice end to your fiscal year.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Thank you.

Joe Ritchie
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

My first question, just I wanna understand the supply chain comments. It sounded like there was an expectation that things would get better in the next few months. Would you maybe just kind of provide some color around your visibility on where you're being impacted today, and then also visibility on things improving?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yeah, let's see. Where we're being impacted today. Well, obviously, maybe it's not obvious, but yeah, we've been impacted with steel shortages of steel. We've been impacted with shortages of bearings. We've been impacted with shortages of bearing components, and we've been impacted with shortages of castings. Those have been sort of the high watermark in what we felt to date. We believe, either much of that has either been repaired already or a repair is in the process of being implemented. So the impact should be mitigated going forward. Even to date, it's had really impactful, it’s impacted our fourth quarter revenues by a significant amount.

Joe Ritchie
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Great. No, that's helpful color. I also wanna go back to the recession question, fully recognizing that the demand levels that you're seeing right now are still very strong. I guess, you got a new asset. I'm just curious, when you kinda think about scenario planning, if in fact we were to see some sort of downturn, how should we think about what the playbook is for the new company, with obviously, clearly, like a new asset that you haven't experienced a recession with before?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Well, yeah, I think unlike RBC, Dodge, half of their cost of sales is variable materials. So, if there's a decline in revenue, there's a pretty much immediate decline in half of your cost base. So the rest of your cost base is pretty much labor and variable supplies to run the plant and some salaries to run the operation. That is budgetable and it can be mitigated by relieving some of the budgetary allowances in your quarter. If you're running $10 million through a plant and your fixed and variable cost of supplies, tooling , and hardware, and oil , and filters , and other is 5% of your revenues, well, if your revenues go down $2 million, then it's 5% of $8 million rather than $10 million.

You just have to get on that, and you have to put some metrics in place that allow you to the visibility that the local management is doing what they need to do in order to back down their requirements. I think the rest of the plant cost is normally in labor. There , you can flex schedules. You can reduce the number of workdays per quarter. I mean, there's all sorts of menu items that can be chosen in order to reduce the overall plant cost. I would say that the new acquisition is a little bit easier to manage than an existing RBC plant because it has so much variable material in their cost of sales.

Joe Ritchie
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

That was super helpful. Thanks very much.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yep.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Steve Barger with KeyBanc Capital. Your line is open.

Steve Barger
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hey, good morning, guys.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Hi, Steve.

Steve Barger
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

I got on the call a little late. Did you say what the organic growth rate for Dodge was versus last year?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

I didn't say.

Steve Barger
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Would you?

Robert Sullivan
VP and CFO, RBC Bearings

Yeah. Compared to March of last year, Dodge grew at about just under 8% year-over-year.

Steve Barger
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got it. Thank you. Do you expect a similar contribution from Dodge in 1Q, somewhere in that low $180 million range?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yes.

Steve Barger
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Perfect. You had the $8 million in transaction costs and almost $5 million in transition. Can you tell us what's in those two categories? Do you expect to incur costs at that level in 1Q?

Robert Sullivan
VP and CFO, RBC Bearings

To answer the second part of the question first, we don't expect it to continue at that level. Within the $8 million or roughly thereabouts, you have the inventory step up, that's the purchase price amortization of that $6.8. That's gonna, that should go away after this quarter, that's what we're anticipating. Then there's $1 million of other ancillary costs associated with legal, accounting, things like that were associated with the acquisition. Then the other costs would be the transition services agreement, which runs, it kind of winds down over time through November. We expect that that should start to decline a little bit in the Q1 period and more in Q2 and Q3.

Steve Barger
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got it. It sounds like maybe half of that was cash costs if the inventory step up was non-cash. I'm just trying to get to what free cash flow would have looked like post these integration pro-costs.

Robert Sullivan
VP and CFO, RBC Bearings

That's a fair way of looking at it. The $6.8 of inventory is non-cash. The TSA and the other components are primarily cash.

Steve Barger
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got it. What do you expect for SG&A inflation in 2023? Or, for the next few quarters, should we think this $56 million run rate is kind of sustainable?

Robert Sullivan
VP and CFO, RBC Bearings

I mean, we're kind of thinking SG&A is gonna fluctuate between 15.5%-16.5% of sales over the coming period.

Steve Barger
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

All right. Then one more for me. You said supply chain affected 4Q revenue by a significant amount. Mike, can you tell us how much revenue was delayed? Did you build in a similar delay, and/or push out into the 1Q range?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yeah, I can only say it was a significant amount, and it's probably an eight-figure kind of an amount. And yes, we expect that to be, we’re building that into our plan in the first quarter.

Steve Barger
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got it. Yeah. Honestly, I mean, every prediction that anybody's made about when supply chain gets fixed has been wrong. As you just think about it, is it reasonable to think that as you go into the back half of your fiscal year, you're running at that higher rate or the revenue delays kind of go away?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yeah. We've built our annual plan with seeing these revenue delays being substantially mitigated. I think it's reasonable because we've brought on other suppliers, and we've done all sorts of things, and we're bringing on some of the RBC capacity to support the Dodge business that was available to us. I think it'll definitely be mitigated. It's hard to say exactly how much, but it'll be mitigated.

Steve Barger
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

The demand is there, and if it is mitigated, then in the back half you're running some number 10 digits higher per quarter on a run rate basis. Is that fair?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

That's fair.

Steve Barger
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Perfect. Thanks.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yep.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Seth Weber with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Larry Stavitski
Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Hey, guys. This is Larry Stavitski on for Seth . Just to clean up the last question. You're looking for $180 million or so in revenue from Dodge in the first quarter?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Thereabouts.

Larry Stavitski
Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

I think I'm not sure if I missed it, but how do you envision the cadence in terms of the seasonality between both Dodge and the legacy business in terms of— I know you only gave me first quarter revenue guidance— but any color on the normal seasonality ex having these, the shortages pushed out, like the revenue shortages from Q4 to Q4 pushed out?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

You know, I think the seasonality that we're dealing with, a couple of issues there. I mean, you have a lot of the seasonality or a certain amount of it is driven by the vacation schedule in the summer and obviously the holidays in the third quarter. That's sort of built-in seasonality that drives, you know, your capacity. We're gonna probably have to do a workaround on some of that. Offsetting the seasonality is, Dodge's some, some of the core businesses are extraordinarily strong, and there's macro effects impacting them that'll pull demand through.

I think some of those macro effects are things like the infrastructure bill, we haven't even felt the effects of that, but the timing is such that that'll start to show up, and that particular sector is already very busy. Then, the grain shortages driven by Ukraine is gonna create demand for farm goods here. That's another big issue with sourcing for Dodge. We have the defense OEM programs, which are just very demanding on us right now. We're trying to address the needs of those programs. We have the aircraft build rate, the step-up rate.

Frankly, we're concerned about being able to meet the cadence and get our plant staffing properly and so on and so forth. You know, we hope we've got this right.

Larry Stavitski
Equity Research Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. Okay, makes sense. Okay, thank you, guys. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Elizabeth Grenfell with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Elizabeth Grenfell
Research Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Hi, Good morning, everyone.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Good morning.

Elizabeth Grenfell
Research Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Good morning. Just wanted to confirm. I think the initial expectation was for synergies with the Dodge acquisition of around $70 million-$100 million, and I was wondering if that was still the target or if that had moved around a bit. I think part of it was using Dodge's sales force and the just, the greater magnitude of the sales force that they have. I was wondering how that's playing out and the impact there. I have one final question.

Daniel Bergeron
VP and COO, RBC Bearings

Yeah. That's still our range by year five to be in that range. We've already— on all the synergies that we identified back in October to November, all those programs have been initiated. As Mike said, some of them are accelerating quicker because of the needs of the current business right now. Like we're trying to find as much capacity within RBC to be able to help out our Dodge friends down in Greenville. On the sales side, we've started working with our sales teams. There's a lot of interaction going on, and so we're seeing some benefit from that.

I think we're on target and probably ahead of target from where we thought we would be, you know, with just five months under our belt here.

Elizabeth Grenfell
Research Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. One clarification question for both gross margins and the SG&A as a percentage of sales. For the gross margins, can you clarify what you're expecting for the first quarter versus the full year?

Robert Sullivan
VP and CFO, RBC Bearings

We were expecting gross margins to— we're looking at a 50 basis point increase throughout the course of the year. It should be pretty similar in Q1. It's just gonna be a little bit lumpy throughout the year as it always is, but that's for a full year trend what we're expecting.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yeah. We ended fiscal year 2022 at 39.4%, so we're opening close to 40% for the full year. As Rob said, it gets lumpy. It gets a little lumpier in the third quarter 'cause it's our weakest quarter from a sales and production standpoint. Our fourth quarter is always our strongest quarter because we have more production base in there and get better utilization.

Elizabeth Grenfell
Research Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

In the SG&A, the 15.5%-16.5%, that's for the full year?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

That's correct. Yep.

Elizabeth Grenfell
Research Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Ciarmoli with Truist. Your line is open.

Michael Ciarmoli
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Hey. Yeah, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the questions.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Good morning.

Michael Ciarmoli
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Nice results here. Just quickly, maybe some housekeeping. For 2023, is $400 million in cash flow and trying to get under that 3x leverage, are those still the right metrics we should be looking for?

Robert Sullivan
VP and CFO, RBC Bearings

Yeah. Our intention of getting to that $400 million by the end of fiscal 2023 that we put out there was still the target for EBITDA.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Our target still is by fiscal 2023 to pay down at the minimum $400 million of debt. I think all the way through this quarter already, we paid down about $100 million through fourth quarter.

Michael Ciarmoli
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Yes. Okay.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

We'll continue every quarter reducing that, allocating our capital to get to our targets and get that leverage down.

Michael Ciarmoli
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Okay. Perfect. Did I hear correctly? Are you guys adding capacity for commercial aerospace? Did I hear that correctly?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yes, that's correct.

Michael Ciarmoli
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Is that I mean, I would have thought, did you have the capacity? I know you were adding a lot of capability and capacity before the MAX and before the downturn. Is it, are you bringing in new capacity or are you kind of ramping back up the tooling and maybe labor that you already had, or is this kinda fresh additional capacity?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Well, it's for the most part fresh additional capacity because they're building these single aisles at a rate that's beyond 2019. Their intention, particularly if you look at Airbus, I mean, their intention is to go to 65 planes a month on the single aisle. When you start layering back the bill of materials of what we supply, we have to add capacity 'cause we're the sole supplier of a lot of hardware on that plane. We're obligated to produce. Yes, we're adding capacity.

Michael Ciarmoli
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Any color on what kind of capacity, what capability you're adding?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

For the most part, it's probably on engine components.

Michael Ciarmoli
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Okay. Got it. Okay. Then just the last one I had, as it relates to the integration, I know you originally called out potentially $200 million of kind of internal component sourcing. Obviously, supply chain complicating a lot of material availability, but any sort of thoughts there on, do you look at your internal supply chain, external supply chain and think about, do we move some of that in-house if you have the opportunity or where things stand kinda with realizing some of those kinda savings?

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Yeah. Well, there's no question that we have to onshore some of Dodge's business. We're going to, we're gonna work on that, we’re working on that. That'll take a little bit of time. In some cases it'll take time. In some cases, we already have the capacity available, and it's a matter of getting the materials and the engineering drawings and beginning the production. It's a little mixed.

Michael Ciarmoli
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Okay.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

It's one of the major synergies that we identified last year when we were looking at the acquisition.

Michael Ciarmoli
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Got it. Right. Perfect. All right. Thanks, guys.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Thank you.

Operator

That's all the questions I have. I'd like to turn the call back to Dr. Hartnett for final remarks.

Michael Hartnett
Chairman, President, and CEO, RBC Bearings

Okay. Well, that was thanks for your questions and your interest. Those were some interesting discussions we just had. We appreciate it, appreciate you calling in and look forward to talking to you again in July. Good day.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.

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