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Earnings Call: Q4 2023

Jul 27, 2023

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Red Cat Holdings Fiscal 2023 Year-End Financial Results and Corporate Update conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the Star key followed by 0. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press Star, then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press Star, then two. Participants of this call are advised that the audio of this conference call is being broadcast live over the Internet and is also being recorded for playback purposes. A webcast replay of the call will be available approximately one hour after the call and end of the call through October 27th, 2023.

I'd now like to turn the conference over to Joey Delahoussaye, Vice President of CORE IR, the company's investor relations firm. Please go ahead, sir.

Joey Delahoussaye
VP, CORE IR

Thank you, Keith. Good afternoon, everyone, thank you for joining us for the Red Cat Holdings fiscal 2023 year-end financial results and business update conference call. Joining us today from Red Cat Holdings are Jeff Thompson, Chief Executive Officer, and Joseph Hernon, Chief Financial Officer. During this call, management will be making forward-looking statements, including statements that address Red Cat's expectations for future performance or operational results. Forward-looking statements involve risks and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those statements. For more information about these risks, please refer to the risk factors described in Red Cat's most recently filed periodic reports on Form 10-K and Form 10-Q, and in Red Cat's press release that accompanies this call, particularly the cautionary statements in it. The content of this call contains forward-looking information that is accurate only as of today, July 27, 2023.

Except as required by law, Red Cat disclaims any obligation to publicly update or revise any information to reflect events or circumstances that occur after this call. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Jeff Thompson, Chief Executive Officer. Jeff?

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Thank you, Joey. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining our fiscal 2023 year-end call and webcast. Also joining me today is Joseph Hernon, our Chief Financial Officer. First, some housekeeping. I'm sorry to report that Mary Beth Long has resigned as a board member. She will be available to the company in an advisory capacity, but she is working on foreign affairs that are very important to the country. We wish her well. It's been an honor to have her on our board, even for this short period of time. I would like to highlight the transformation our company started in the last year that will set us up for success in 2024. First, I would like to remind everyone that this is the first year that we've separated our enterprise and our consumer segments.

We did this as part of a strategic shift to focus on building out our capabilities at Teal Drones. The results are a brand new Teal 2 drone and a larger engineering team that is no longer building drones and creating the new prototype for the SRR Short Range Reconnaissance Program of Record. I'm paraphrasing from a YouTube video called The Future of War. If you're not winning these multi-billion dollar programs of record, you're just another company building a cog in the machine and winning scraps and small buys, a prototype shop. The key is to get a Program of Record. Let's talk about the SRR Program of Record. We still do not know the size of the award for the now combined Tranche 2 and 3. Here's the information we do have.

Tranche one production award was for $100 million for approximately 1,000 drones. Tranche two and three is for approximately 12,000 drones and has been extended to almost 10 years. There is usually a three-year replacement cycle in programs of this size. The Ukraine has demonstrated this importance of Group One drones, like the SRR Program, we will believe this will be a significant Program of Record. We are well positioned as one of the three competitors in the Army Short Range Reconnaissance Program, SRR. There has been a delay in the award cycle as the program has been made larger through the combination of Tranche 2 and Tranche 3, which I just discussed. We recently announced a new SRR contract of $1.2 million as the additional award for the extra work.

We are confident that our offering will be put us in a favorable position for this Program of Record. We also believe that the market is much larger than just SRR, just for the Army. We are being told that the Air Force, Navy, and Marines are likely to want to have the similar capabilities. Back to the Teal 2, the drone that we will be selling for the next 2 years. Turning on our approval by the GSA and the Blue UAS.I'm sorry to stop for one second here, but someone needs to mute. There's a lot of background noise. Thank you. Timing on our approval by the GSA and the Blue UAS could not have been better.

When you consider government sales, it is important to remember that the government fiscal year ends on September 30th, and many budgets are use it or lose it. They hate giving the money back. For that reason, we expect seasonality in our sales cycle, with our biggest wins coming in August and September. For instance, the Border Patrol order for over $1 million we shipped in January for the bake-off was finalized on September 29th, 2022. We believe we are well-positioned to compete for a large portion of the business available between now and the end of September, what we call sweeps. We anticipate this will create backlog that will stabilize our revenue for a large portion of fiscal year 2024. Orders are only as good as the capacity to fulfill them.

Our 10-K shows our sizable investment in both production capacity and inventory. Now this machine is building drones and revenue. We have seen drone competitors in the U.S. that have not been able to ship orders they've received. Because of this, one of the first questions we get when we are dealing with the Ukraine is: How many can you make? When can you ship them? On that note, we recently completed our shipment of 200 FPV drones to the Ukraine. I'm happy to say we no longer have 3,700 chipsets, and that our production line is constantly producing Teal 2s, and we are shipping them out the door. As part of the strategic focus on Programs of Record, we decided to sell our consumer segment.

We approved this initial agreement with Unusual Machines last November, and we have continued to work toward closing the sale. In the short term, this will raise Red Cat $3 million-$5 million of non-dilutive capital. We believe our shareholders should continue to indirectly benefit from the sale of the consumer business. It's healthy, it's growing, and the team is great, and we believe it'll be a successful IPO onto the New York Stock Exchange in early September. Fiscal year 2023 was a year of change and investment. 2024 will be a year of Teal 2 production, sales, and revenue, and possibly the first and largest program of record in the Group One drone category. With that, I will hand it off to Joseph Hernon.

Joseph Hernon
CFO, Red Cat

Thanks, Jeff, and to everyone for joining the call today. I'm gonna echo many of the statements that Jeff just made, with some added financial perspective. As Jeff just noted, fiscal 2023 was a year in which the company reported strong revenue growth while making substantial investments designed to position the company for continued revenue growth in fiscal 2024 and beyond. Revenues totaled almost $10 million in fiscal 2023, representing an increase of 54% compared to fiscal 2022. This growth was led by Teal, whose revenues almost tripled in fiscal 2023. With the launch of the Teal 2 in April 2023, the pending sale of our consumer segment, and the consolidation of Skypersonic's technology into Teal, we have clearly positioned Teal as our platform for success going forward.

Negative growth margins reported for fiscal 2023 primarily relate to the accelerated expensing of inventory related to Teal's legacy drone, the Golden Eagle. This action was largely driven by customer, excuse me, customer demand for the improved functionality and features of the Teal 2. Operating expenses in fiscal 2023 almost doubled compared to fiscal 2023, increasing from approximately $14 million in fiscal 2022 to almost $27 million in fiscal 2023. Substantially, all of this increase was related to our increased focus on an extension of the operations of Teal. Operations expense increased from $1.4 million in fiscal 2022 to $4.4 million in fiscal 2023. Since acquiring Teal in August 2021, we have increased its headcount from 15 to 59. Almost all of these employees are focused on operations or research and development.

Operations personnel are focused on building, refining, and expanding our production capacity, which is presently at 100 systems per month, but which we believe can more than triple over the next few years. The year-over-year increase in operations expense more than doubled. However, during fiscal 2023, we also doubled the size of Teal's facilities and built our initial production line. These are very expensive objectives, both of which were accomplished. Many of these costs are non-recurring. Research and development expenses doubled from $2.6 million in fiscal 2022 to $5.2 million in fiscal 2023. This investment culminated in the launch of the Teal 2 at the end of fiscal 2023.

It is very expensive to complete the final stages of the development and commercial launch of a new product. We are very excited to have the Teal 2 on the market at the beginning of fiscal 2024. Sales and marketing expense more than tripled to approximately $4 million in fiscal 2023. Building relationships with government-related entities, including the military, is an expensive and long process. However, once established, these relationships often result in long-term recurring revenues and contracts. During fiscal 2023, we recognized revenues through the Army's Tranche 2 SSR, SRR program, and shipped drones to the U.S. Border Patrol, as well as a NATO country, which planned to deploy the drones in the Ukraine. Looking forward, we expect to realize additional revenues from these customers in fiscal 2024.

We also expect additional government agencies, including other U.S. military branches, to place orders in fiscal 2024. Our investment in building an experienced, talented team of sales and business development professionals is yielding results. Jeff founded Red Cat with a vision that drones were one of the few technologies which were going to change the world in the next decade. Beginning in early 2020, Red Cat acquired four separate drone companies, each focused on a different segment of the drone industry. Since then, we have integrated these companies and established separate consumer and enterprise segments. In the middle of fiscal 2023, we entered into an agreement to sell the consumer segment at an attractive valuation. More recently, we have decided to integrate Skypersonic's technology into Teal and shift its business strategy to military and commercial applications more aligned with Teal's business strategy.

This change in strategy required us to record a non-cash impairment charge of $2.8 million to write off the goodwill which we recorded when we acquired Skypersonic. However, this accounting charge does not change our perspective regarding the utility and potential of Skypersonic's technology. Imagine a Skycopter exploring a bombed out building instead of a soldier. That truly is life-saving technology. In summary, we spent a lot of money in 2023, fiscal 2023, building a world-class manufacturing facility, hiring a team of talented engineers and professionals who designed and launched the Teal 2, and establishing business relationships with U.S. government agencies who are traditionally difficult to establish, but long-term customers, once secured, is an expensive endeavor. The entire Red Cat team is proud to have accomplished all of these objectives.

Looking forward, we reported more than $16 million in cash at the end of fiscal 2023. This balance is net of more than $14 million in inventory that we held at the end of fiscal 2023. We are very excited to convert this inventory into revenues in fiscal 2024. I will now turn the call over to the operator for questions.

Operator

Yes, thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question on today's call, you will need to press Star, then the number one on your telephone. If your question has been answered and you wish to withdraw the request, you may do so by pressing Star, then two. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before entering your request and speaking on the call. One moment, please, for the first question. The first question does come from Ashok Kumar with ThinkEquity.

Ashok Kumar
Head of Equity Research, ThinkEquity

Great. First question is on the sales side. Can you please elaborate on the new SRR contract? It indicated for $1.2 million. Also on the orders that we can expect from the military in August and September. Outside of the military, could you, I think you indicated on the U.S. Border Patrol, I think, you shipped, you know, 54 systems in mid-January, right? In terms of what we can expect in terms of additional orders for this calendar year. Also the Drone Infrastructure Inspection Grant, right? That's a $100 million bipartisan grant, and if you're well positioned, what is the opportunity for this calendar year? Hello?

Joseph Hernon
CFO, Red Cat

Jeff, are you there?

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Sorry, I was on mute. Anyway, that's a lot of questions there, Ashok, I will try to go through them one by one.

First with, I think it was the SRR contract. We recently received a contract. The actual contract, if you read it, was for over $5 million. The Army actually reviews our press releases, and the appropriations is only through November. That's $1.2 million that we'll get for the prototyping through November of this year, of calendar 2023, and the rest of the contract that we have signed, goes through the end of March, when they're supposed to do the final selection. There's also supposed to be one more down selection in the fall. Two things could happen with that SRR contract. I think people will be pretty excited if we get down selected in the October-November time frame, if they do it on time.

Then, once the rest of the money that we have a signed contract for, is appropriated, it would be a total contract between now and March for $5.3 million, I think the total was. The second question, Ashok Kumar, what was that? I am sorry. I was trying to write-

Ashok Kumar
Head of Equity Research, ThinkEquity

The orders we can expect in August and September, right? You'd mentioned on the military side.

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yeah. This is again, I mentioned it in my comments this week's time. We've been all over the place trying to demo our drones at all sorts of different military facilities throughout the U.S. We also just got back from the Ukraine at a testing facility to get tested against GPS jamming, which went very well. We're heading back there the week after next. There's a lot of activity in the Ukraine. We think there's gonna be some pretty significant orders coming in this August, September time frame that we've been working on for over a year. We have nothing of concrete purchase orders that I can announce, we think it'll be substantial from last year.

Ashok Kumar
Head of Equity Research, ThinkEquity

Great, thank you. Any additional color on the U.S. Border Patrol, good, and.

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yeah.

Ashok Kumar
Head of Equity Research, ThinkEquity

Any additional orders we can expect for this year, and then on the Inspection Grant Act, any upside there, please?

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yeah. On the Border Patrol, you know, they did, there was a bake-off. It's interesting, it's between all the people that are in the SRR program. It's, we all got an order for drones that we had to deliver in January, Skydio and Vantage. We're hoping we get more orders. We haven't received anything yet, but, we would expect to, like, hopefully, if we win, sometime before the end of September, like we did last year. The last question was.

Ashok Kumar
Head of Equity Research, ThinkEquity

On the infra-

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

On the $100 million bipartisan.

Ashok Kumar
Head of Equity Research, ThinkEquity

Yes.

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yeah, if you read the that bill, it has to be a US-made drone. We have one of the only U.S. companies, and now it's integrating into the Teal facility. The largest competitor for infrastructure for that type of drone is actually a non-U.S. company. You know, now that it's a bipartisan bill, we expect that to, you know, hopefully puts us in a good spot for that capability. We haven't heard anything yet from it, but we've stayed all over it. We're also hoping we saw some activity in the Senate recently for the American Security Drone Act. If that goes through, that actually puts even more barriers to Chinese drones across the U.S., not just for the Department of Defense.

There's a lot of activity that would lead to U.S. drone manufacturers getting quite a bit of business.

Ashok Kumar
Head of Equity Research, ThinkEquity

Great. Any quick, you know, responses on the operating expenses? I guess, given you'd indicated some of these are non-recurring costs, some of it headcount related and so on, do you expect it to stabilize in fiscal 2024? The gross margins, I'd assume that should improve with product shipment increase and efficiency on the manufacturing and assembly process side.

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yeah. We expect once we start producing, we don't have to invest anymore. The factory is working, we're producing drones every single day and shipping. The margins, once we are building, you know, 100 drones plus a month, typically get us around 40%. If we are selling product, which we mostly sell with our partners, like Athena AI, Artificial Intelligence and Targeting, Tomahawk Robotics, which make the capabilities for the fore ship product, Reveal Technology, that can bring up our margins dramatically when we add these software sales in a partnered capability. We expect the margins to go up throughout the rest of the year. We also won't have any of these write-offs that we had for this year-end.

You're gonna see dramatic margin improvements throughout the year.

Ashok Kumar
Head of Equity Research, ThinkEquity

Got it. One last question on the chipset. I think you had 3,700, which can support 3,200 or 3,500 drones. Is there any risk of inventory obsolescence? Is there any spec changes, you know, to your drones, or do you feel-

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

No, the, that 3,700 was, a lot of it was, it's all going into the Teal 2.

Ashok Kumar
Head of Equity Research, ThinkEquity

Okay.

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

We're not gonna have. That 3,700 is well protected. The stuff that we were talking about earlier in the Golden Eagle is completely different tech.

Ashok Kumar
Head of Equity Research, ThinkEquity

Great. Thank you. All the best.

Operator

... Thank you, Chip. Thank you. The next question comes from Carlo Corsi with Dawson James Securities.

Carlo Corsi
Analyst, Dawson James Securities

Hi, Jeff. How are you doing? Great certifications and making great progress. On the 200 drones that were delivered, they were to be delivered in June. Were they in fact in June or some in July? When you do the partnerships, you know, how do we break down what the sell price is, how much goes to Red Cat, how much goes to the other people? You know, I don't have any idea right now as far as how much the, how much is the sell price is for the border control versus the Teal.

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yes. The typical Teal 2 is similar in price, as you see on the GSA, to the old Golden Eagle, about $15,000 for the airframe and for the controller. And it's a little difficult to pigeonhole partnership percentages because it depends on which country we're selling to, who had the partnership, who brought the partnership in, whether it's Athena that's bringing us along because they have the sale, or if it's us bringing Athena along, whether we brought the sale. Same with Tomahawk.

We're most of the time when we're doing demonstrations like we've done over the last few weeks, we're either doing a demonstration with Tomahawk using their Grip controller, with the Athena AI on top of their KxM, so it could be even a three-way partnership, where in some instances, it's Red Cat bringing the main customer to the table, where, you know, we're gonna get, you know, a percentage of all of their revenue, or if they're bringing it in, they're gonna get a percentage of our revenue. Kind of a difficult question to ask with exact numbers. It's, you know, these partnerships are, you know, give it always come with a license capability, and the they're pretty good for Red Cat.

Carlo Corsi
Analyst, Dawson James Securities

How should we figure that? If you sell 50 drones and we got a $15,000, obviously, you know, maybe is 50% of that yours, 60% of that yours? how can we

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yeah. The $15,000, that's 100% ours. That's just for.

Carlo Corsi
Analyst, Dawson James Securities

Oh, that is. Okay. Okay.

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yeah. Yeah. The typical... There'll be added features if they require it, and that would be additional revenue on top of that.

Carlo Corsi
Analyst, Dawson James Securities

Okay, got it. Good. Who is as far as research, who's covering you right now?

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

So far, ThinkEquity.

Carlo Corsi
Analyst, Dawson James Securities

StockWise. Yeah, StockWise. Well, not the person. Is ThinkEquity the only one, or is anybody else covering you research-wise?

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

This is the only research. There's a few newsletter guys that follow us pretty closely. No, that's pretty much it.

Carlo Corsi
Analyst, Dawson James Securities

Okay. All right. All right, thank you.

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Thank you, Carlo.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Scott Michael, an investor.

Hi, Jeff. Thanks for taking my call. To clarify, a question was asked earlier about the 200 drones. Were they delivered in June or June and July?

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

I'm pretty sure most of them were shipped into June.

Excellent. Thank you. A question on the chips. You'd referenced earlier that you have 3,700, but where you're producing now, I'm assuming that number is lower. Do we have any supply line issues on the chips at this point, or is that pretty much addressed?

No, it's pretty much everyone, you know, we're always cautious about supply chain because, you know, you got to make such large decisions so far ahead of time. Like everyone else is seeing, you know, supply chains are getting better. You know, we have a lot of chips and a lot of different parts, and so if not every single part of that, so every chip is doing well with supply chain, you can't breathe a sigh yet, but we're in really good shape, and because of the amount of buying we've been doing over the last year, we're usually getting some good preferences. The TLT is doing so well that, you know, everyone's excited about it in our supply chain.

Excellent. Thank you. It looks like Giuseppe left Skypersonic. Does that affect the NASA contract at all?

No. The, you know, the goal for the Skycopter was, one, is to. It was, you know, we already started working on the remote piloting, over a year ago. We had separate offices. We wanted to integrate as much as possible. Now, you know, someone already mentioned the $100 million, you know, bill for U.S.-made inspection drones, which we, you know, we wanna, migrate to made in U.S.A. for Skypersonic. We're doing a lot of work to integrate, but it does not affect the NASA deal.

Excellent. Thank you. Can you clarify what our investment into Firestorm was? Do we have any reciprocal arrangement with them for production or anything like that?

not yet on the, on the production levels. We, you know, it's in the 10-K that we invested $250,000 into their first round. I hope that there's.

What do you hope to get back?

There's two things, right? We do help, we do hope to help them with production. We do have a factory. It's very difficult to build a factory. We have electronics that have been flying for years now and that are, you know, that are have all the bugs out. You know, the electronics that fly the drone are very important, so you don't have to start from scratch there. We hope we can help there. Our production facility, we hope we can help there. they're, you know, they've got a great team, and they're moving along quickly, and we hope to be able to accelerate their time to market because of our head start in electronics and manufacturing.

Excellent. Thank you. You said, production is 100 per month. I think in the past, you'd referenced maybe 1,000 per month. Is the 100 per month going to increase, or is that pretty much where we're at for the rest of the year?

I mean, well, first, you just got to get the factory up and running and make sure that you have all the issues out of the production line. To reliably do 100 a month, as some of our team says, is we do 100 a month, no problem at ease right now, and that number is already growing slightly. What you don't go off and build 1,000 drones because there's different frequencies. For instance, some of the organizations that we've been working with for demonstrations to hopefully get in sheets relatively soon, want 1.8 GHz. Some of them want 2.4 GHz. Some of them want other frequencies that we're not really talking about for other countries.

You can't just make huge batches and hope for the best of 1,000 and then ship, you know, ship them out. You know, we've been at a good clip, and we can expand that capability. If we had to, if we get an order for 1,000, we would ramp that up dramatically in a few months.

Excellent. Now, you referenced in the report that the cash on hand is $16 million and $14 million in product. Is that correct? Did I understand that correctly?

Yeah, yeah, a little over. Yeah, go ahead, Joseph.

Oh, I'm sorry, was that was a yes on that?

Joseph Hernon
CFO, Red Cat

Yeah, we ended fiscal 2023 with $16 million in the bank and slightly more than $14 million in inventory. That's not all finished goods, but, you know, that's a substantial amount of inventory, much of which is largely, you know, completed and, you know, ready to convert into sales.

Whereas cash on hand has significantly dropped from what it previously was, is an offering something that we need to be concerned with as investors?

Well, I think, you know.

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Hold on. Let me start, and then you can finish up for one second.

Joseph Hernon
CFO, Red Cat

Sure, sure.

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

For us to. The $14 million that Joseph's talking about can be, as we get sales, that's immediately converted into cash. We have the UMAC marketing is another way that we raise non-dilutive cash. That's, you know, those are the ways we like to raise cash. You know, Joseph, you want to add to that, because we don't have the huge investments going anymore.

Joseph Hernon
CFO, Red Cat

Yeah, one of the things that I tried to emphasize in, you know, my statements was that there were a lot of unusual expenses in fiscal 2023 that resulted in our spending a lot of money. I think we've been very candid about that. You know, we built a brand-new world-class facility that, you know, that's a big investment. It's scaling. It's done. It's completed. We built a great team out in Salt Lake. You know, it's hard to attract talented engineers and technical professionals, and we have them. We don't see that kind of capital investment going forward. You know, the $14 million is, you know, ready to convert into revenue. There's a lot of positives, why we feel we're pretty well positioned. You know, we're.

We're an emerging technology company. We're not yet profitable. We feel we're in a pretty good position because the manufacturing facility is completed. It's done. It's ready to produce drones. It's doing it every month. I don't personally recall us ever saying we could produce 1,000 a month. You know, 1,000 a month at $15,000 per drones. I don't have a calculator in front of me. That's an incredible amount of revenue. You know, we feel in a good financial position, especially after investing so much money in our facilities and our people and our product development in fiscal 2023.

Okay. Thank you so much. Appreciate your time.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Vince Maluca, who's retired.

Yes, sir. Hello. Thank you, Jeff. Say, I have been reading and seeing a lot about Teal's, a big goal to dominate the night. I think that's a pretty amazing goal to have. What makes Teal the leaders in this field, and how do you guys see that impacting your sales down the road?

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

It's a great question. We spent a lot of time and effort, with our customers, and to figure out when do they use our drones? When do they use any drone? When you talk to the military, when, you know, we're at, you know, dealing with special operations teams, the, you know, question is, when do you use the drones? It's, like, over 90% at nighttime. They always use, their advantage, typically, is at nighttime. They want to use the drones at nighttime. Even the Border Patrol says they do 70% of their missions at nighttime. A lot of, you know, some of the first responders, a lot of their stuff is done at nighttime.

Some of our competitors' drones are almost impossible to fly at nighttime because their sensors don't work. Not only did we design it, we got a camera that's much better than all of our peers and our competitors at nighttime, because the thermal imaging is so good. We optimized the camera and the entire drone first. Not that our drones don't fly well at daytime, but if you can fly really well at nighttime, which is how we optimize the drone, we can really solve a lot of our customers' problems. We've gotten great response from our customers because they needed nighttime capabilities, and the nighttime capabilities that were previously out there for a Group One drone were horrible.

We've gotten a lot of traction, and we think we're gonna have a great summer.

Excellent. How do you guys think your sales are gonna be increasing with the government agencies that you're doing right now?

I'm sorry, I didn't understand the question.

How do you think your sales are going to be increasing on these government buys in the different militaries?

Well.

You know, you got Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, and...

Yes. We don't give guidance for sales that we don't have purchase orders for. We do, you know, August and September, the next two months, are typically the biggest two months, not just for us, but for anyone that's selling to the military and government budgets. We call it sweeps. I would say, you know, stay close to the company. I'll be speaking at the Canaccord Genuity conference, up in Boston on August ninth, Wednesday, August ninth, to be giving more company updates. I think if you stay close to the company and look for any announcements over the next couple of months, hopefully, you'll be satisfied.

Excellent. Thank you, guys.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session from call participants. I'll now return the call to Joey Delahoussaye, of CORE IR, to read pre-submitted questions for management. Joey?

Joey Delahoussaye
VP, CORE IR

Thanks, Jeff. I'm sorry. Thanks, Keith. Jeff, we have a few pre-submitted questions from some investors. I thought this would be a good forum for you to address them. If it's okay, I'll just read a few of them off here. One of the first one, I think you may have alluded to it in part of a response to Ashok, it had to do essentially with the Ukraine opportunity. Do you expect any additional orders from that conflict, as well as perhaps any other NATO countries that may be interested in the 202?

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yeah. We've actually our team's in Europe right now. I don't want to say where they are. We try not to project that anymore. We spend a lot of time in and out of Ukraine, in and out of the country. There's a lot of work to get when you're selling a system that you can operate at nighttime. The training, the capability, it's very crucial, you show them the reliability before it can be used in the front line. We are gonna continue to do some work with Ukraine. We've been selling some drones to Ukraine, we, you know, we haven't got the orders that we want to get from them yet.

We're gonna continue to work with them to show them how great our drones. You know, one of the biggest complaints that they have, is actually in a Wall Street Journal article recently, is that they need nighttime drones, because that's when the Russians advance, every single night. We're hoping to answer that big gap in their technology. There's tons of articles constantly about how Group One drones are so important for the Ukraine. We expect to play big there, we have nothing yet to report. We have also been working with a lot of other countries that are frankly, they're buying drones to also ship to the Ukraine. You know, again, we hope to have, you know, the factory is up and running. We're starting to get orders.

We're shipping drones almost every day. Like I said, I think it's gonna be a great summer.

Joey Delahoussaye
VP, CORE IR

Okay. Thank you. Can you perhaps describe the transaction that you guys are working towards with the Unusual Machines and how that could benefit Red Cat shareholders?

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yeah. I think I touched upon it in my comments, but it's on Unusual Machines, it looks like they're gonna be IPO in early September on the New York Stock Exchange. That will generate about $3 million or, you know, at least $3 million once we close, and there's some additional capital adjustments that'll put it between $3 million and $5 million, we think. We'll have about a 30% ownership in the company going forward. It seems like they've got a lot of interest in their IPO already, and we expect it to be a good IPO, which will actually help. We could drive Red Cat's stock because their IPO goes up.

You know, we also own stock, so we don't know what we do with that ownership. Whether we'll sell stock down the road. We would never hurt their company and sell shares and crush their stock, but we do have the option to sell shares to raise non-dilutive money or to do a dividend. We don't know what we're gonna do with that percentage ownership yet, but you can see there'll be a pretty large benefit to the Red Cat shareholders from this IPO.

Joey Delahoussaye
VP, CORE IR

I see. Okay. The final question is, could you maybe elaborate on the importance of, getting cleared and being, a part of the Blue UAS list finally, as well as, you know, through the federal government's GSA schedule and that, how that may help, with the procurement cycle?

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yeah, actually, we're so glad we got... Two things. I think we're the first company with two different birds certified on the Blue UAS. Not sure about that, but yeah, we got the new Teal 2 certified, which you need to get certified by DIU before you can go on the GSA. Those are two lengthy processes you got to put together. We got this done just in time for sweeps. We've had people already asking if they could start buying off the GSA, so we're glad that's there. We're locked and loaded for what we think could be a great summer. Yeah, it's a lengthy process to get to the Blue UAS.

You know, they ask a lot of questions, you get audited, and we're just very excited that the Teal 2 got that distinction, and what's exciting, though, is other NATO countries accept the Blue UAS group, so that's good for not just for the U.S.

Joey Delahoussaye
VP, CORE IR

Great. Well, that was the last of the previously submitted questions. Thanks for your answers on those. Hopefully, they gave investors some additional insight. I'd like to now, I guess, turn the call back over to you for any closing remarks, Joe.

Jeff Thompson
CEO, Red Cat

Yeah, great. Well, thanks. This has been a good call. We have a large group on the call, which is good to see at this time of year. You know, stay close to the company. If you wanna listen to my webcast at the Canaccord Genuity conference on August ninth, I'll be meeting with investors for two days there. We got another conference in September. You'll be hearing a lot from us over the next couple of months, and thanks for joining the call today.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. Thank you for attending today's presentation in out of central lines.

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