Royal Gold, Inc. (RGLD)
NASDAQ: RGLD · Real-Time Price · USD
234.64
+2.78 (1.20%)
At close: Oct 2, 2026, 4:00 PM EDT
235.22
+0.58 (0.25%)
After-hours: Oct 2, 2026, 7:57 PM EDT
← View all transcripts

Mining Forum Americas 2026

Sep 28, 2026

Summary

Recent acquisitions have diversified the portfolio, extended reserve life, and reduced risk, while simplification efforts have generated significant revenue and streamlined operations. Growth is driven by key assets ramping up through 2028, with capital allocation focused on new investments, debt repayment, and maintaining a strong dividend.

Speaker 1

Don't know the Royal Gold story. Maybe can you bring us up to speed on where the company stands today following the Sandstorm acquisition, and what you see as the investment thesis as it is today?

Bill Heissenbuttel
President and CEO, Royal Gold

Yeah. I think last year was so transformational for the company as a whole. The Sandstorm transaction and the Kansanshi transaction allowed us to do a few things that have been strategic goals on our end for a number of years. The first one is diversification of the portfolio. Those of you who have followed us for a long time have followed Mount Milligan and our NAV, and that posed challenges at some point. With the transactions last year, for the first six months of this year, we only had two assets that generated more than 10% of revenue, and the largest was 12.5%. So what we're talking to investors about at this point is relative to all the other royalty and streaming companies you may talk to, we believe we have reduced the event risk in our portfolio better than anybody else in the sector.

I think everybody else has a concentration risk that far exceeds the concentration risk that we now have in our portfolio. Secondly, growth. If you followed us for a while, there was a question about the growth profile of the company. By adding Sandstorm, which was a very development asset-rich portfolio, we were actually able to take our producing asset portfolio, which was quite strong, and put it together with the development assets. That's MARA, that's Platreef, that's Hod Maden. So we have this nice balance. We've got a diversified revenue base currently. We have a nice growth profile, which we highlighted at our investor day in March. So I think we have a much more balanced portfolio. I think the third thing about the portfolio that's different is the duration.

We've increased the average reserve life from 14 years to 18 years, and it's not just the Sandstorm acquisition. If you'll recall last year, Centerra announced a Mount Milligan life of mine plan extension that took that reserve life to 20 years. It's nice to have our biggest asset have 20 years of life in front of it. So I would say from a portfolio perspective, those are the things that we're stressing. I'd also like to stress that notwithstanding the equity we've issued for Sandstorm, we're still the leader in our industry in terms of per-share metrics, looking backwards. I think one of the particular strengths is our management team, which has been around, I think, on average between 10 and 15 years. One of the things this management team has certainly demonstrated is the ability to identify resource upside.

When you look at a particular transaction, it might have a 10 or a 15-year reserve life. Our team is able to look at that and say, "It's not 10 or 15 years, it's probably 20, 25, 30 years." You see a growing IRR in that portfolio, and that skill base is still in the company.

Speaker 1

Great. You touched on scale, diversification, duration that you achieved through the acquisition, but there were also more complex structures that came into the portfolio. As you think about the first, I guess, half year of having the expanded portfolio, what has been done to maybe simplify it? As you think ahead to the portfolio, is there more simplification to come?

Bill Heissenbuttel
President and CEO, Royal Gold

Yeah, I think the only complex thing that we really inherited was the intercompany relationship between Sandstorm and Horizon Copper. I don't think investors understood it. I think some investors said, "I don't really want to spend the time to understand it." That was actually the easy part. We just brought the two companies together and collapsed it. That complexity is gone. I would say we inherited a number of non-core assets when we acquired Sandstorm and Horizon. By that I mean public equity, debt, joint venture equity. It was a priority of ours, when we closed the transaction, to try to simplify those things because they take time, especially if you've got a debt investment and the company needs a waiver, they need something else done with the agreement. You're not focused on buying royalties and streams, you're focused on something else.

We've done a number of things. We sold the Versamet shares probably within a month of acquiring Sandstorm. We have rationalized the Americas Gold and Silver investment. We rationalized the very complex Bear Creek situation and really turned that into a very simple royalty, an increased royalty on Corani, which looks like it's now moving forward. Hod Maden, we took that joint venture interest from 30% to 15%, and we took a royalty back. I think we've done a very good job. We generated over $200 million in revenue from those transactions, and we were able to use that to repay debt. In terms of what's left, we do have a 24% interest in Entrée Resources, and we still have the 15% at Hod Maden.

Ideally, those things will also be rationalized. I think we have a bit of flexibility in terms of time to resolve those situations.

Speaker 1

That is super clear. As you think about the broader portfolio, there is lots of growth and optionality if you think about Hod Maden, Platreef, Greenstone, and Antamina. In your view, which assets or operator decisions have the greatest potential to move Royal Gold's cash flow and NAV over the next few years?

Bill Heissenbuttel
President and CEO, Royal Gold

Well, in the next few years, I think the decisions by the operators have been made, which is great. I would say if you are going to look at what might be the most impactful, probably Platreef ramp up. Next year, Kansanshi grades or throughput are supposed to increase, which will actually bring our gold stream up as copper production comes up and towards the end of 2028 is sort of our expectation for Hod Maden. I would say those probably would have the most material impact. That sort of overlooks things like Robertson at Cortez or the ramp-up of our royalty at Goose. I would say the thing about the growth portfolio is that it is as diverse as the producing portfolio, which is nice. We are not reliant on one big asset coming into production at a particular time that people are counting on.

Speaker 1

Great. Royal Gold, like any royalty streaming company, has very limited direct exposure to mine site inflation as one of the qualities of a royalty streaming company. But higher OpEx and CapEx can influence operator decisions and what your counterparties may do. Do you see risk across the portfolio as you think about what is happening with input cost pressures or build-outs that are costing a lot more than initially expected? Does that present an opportunity for a company like Royal Gold?

Bill Heissenbuttel
President and CEO, Royal Gold

I'm not too worried from our current portfolio perspective. As I look at where these assets sit on the cost curve, I just have a hard time imagining inflation getting to the point where a mine closes or suspends its operation, because that's really the issue here. As long as they're operating, the vast majority of our interests are revenue-based. That's good. I think the only NPI of any note is Antamina, and I think in the first six months of our total revenue. As far as inflation's impact on our current portfolio, I'm not that concerned about it. Where you do have to pay attention to it is on the capital cost side for new projects. The projects that I noted for growth, I think one of the nice things is they're sort of already in ramp-up or it's an expansion and they're relatively far along.

As I look in the portfolio, if there were a couple assets that I think you might want to pay attention to inflation, it is something like MARA, it is something like Great Bear, maybe Red Chris, where they're in the sort of the earlier stages of those projects. You did mention opportunity. Anytime this industry needs capital, we're ready. If there are cost increases that a particular operator, developer cannot cover, we welcome the call, because we can be You go back to Mount Milligan. Mount Milligan was originally supposed to be a $314 million investment, and it became a $780 million investment because of cost overruns. We were able to cover it, and we've had a very successful investment. We do have a history of helping when costs increase.

Speaker 1

Great. I'm going to turn to capital allocation. The company is currently in the process of de-leveraging, which is going very well and should be kind of complete by the end of the year. You're paying a growing dividend, you're repurchasing shares, and you're continuing to evaluate new opportunities. How do you think about the priority between those uses of capital and particularly on the deal pipeline? Now that Royal Gold has become a larger company, has the deal size become larger as well?

Bill Heissenbuttel
President and CEO, Royal Gold

Yeah, this is the tricky one. I would say from a capital allocation perspective, I can make it very simple. We like to find new investments, priority number one. Priority number two, if we borrowed money to make an investment, we want to repay that to restore our revolving credit facility so that we are ready for the next investment. Then there is our dividend. We've increased the dividend every year for 25 years. Nobody else in our sector can say that. It is something sort of near and dear to our heart. In the second quarter, we did introduce a share repurchase program. We looked at our share price and felt that there was just a fundamental disconnect between the way the market was looking at us and the way we looked at us, and we were active on that in the second quarter.

But it's not a formula. This isn't a math problem. We don't look at free cash flow yield and the interest rate on the debt and the investment. To me, share repurchase is great in the short term, but if you ignore the long term, and the long term are those new investments, it's putting that 20 or 30-year mine life into the portfolio that preserves value, that gives you, to my mind, net asset value. We don't want to go down one road and not the other. So it's always a balance. I know that's not the greatest response. I know people want to say, "I'm going to allocate so much cash to capital returns." But as you say, the opportunities are getting bigger and bigger. So liquidity, having available liquidity is precious right now to make sure you're well-positioned if those attractive investments come up.

Speaker 1

One of your competitors, and we may hear this tomorrow, is talking about we're at a start of much larger transactions. We've seen a $4 billion stream transaction, which I never thought we'd see. But what are you seeing in the pipeline? Is that something that you're anticipating as well? You alluded to that with the comment on liquidity just now, but just what's out there? What are you seeing deal sizes? Where are they coming from across commodities?

Bill Heissenbuttel
President and CEO, Royal Gold

Yeah, we are extremely busy from a business development perspective. I think the best thing about the $4 billion transaction, or one of the best things about it, is BHP did it. There's always been this group of companies within the mining industry that you say, "They're never going to talk to us. They don't need us." But if a BHP says, "There's a real value creation here on a metal that means nothing in our portfolio." But we can create billions of dollars of value by doing it. I always say it just takes one company like that to have others potentially say, "Well, maybe we should be considering that." We see the same thing in Australia. First time ever we've seen a series of transactions in Australia.

All you need is just one Australian company to at least open the door and let us have a conversation. So I still think the billion-dollar deals are going to be few and far between. It's not like the entire industry is moving in that direction. I think you're still probably $200 million-$500 million will be the bread and butter. But I think the breadth of the market available to us is as big as it's ever been.

Speaker 1

Great. As you think about the portfolio, I want to give you an opportunity to talk about assets that you think are underappreciated by investors that maybe are overlooked. It's obviously a very diversified portfolio. There is quite a bit of growth. I want to give you a chance to maybe highlight a few that you think are just being overlooked.

Bill Heissenbuttel
President and CEO, Royal Gold

Yeah, I don't think it's so much overlooked. The one question that we get, and I understand Cortez is a very complex operation, it's a very complex royalty position. We have spent the past year or so making sure that people understand, yes, Fourmile is covered by our 1.6% royalty. But the fact that we get that question surely means that they don't appreciate the potential of that asset. Now it's a little bit longer term project. You might be talking the middle part of the next decade. But it's one of the greatest exploration stories ever, and I just don't think people are just having a hard time putting it into context of Goldrush and Cortez Hills and Crossroads, and that's really up to us to explain. I think the other thing I've always found investors are very much on the development asset side, is show me.

Don't tell me that MARA is going to be in production in 2031. Don't tell me that Hod Maden's coming into 2020. I want to see the cash flow. So I always think there's been a bit of a discount applied to the growth assets. They really want to see the cash flow happening, and that's when I think we get credit for it.

Speaker 1

Earlier in the discussion, you talked about per share metrics and how that's very important. As you think about transactions and then looking back at transactions, what per share metrics would you look at to conclude whether a transaction was successful or not?

Bill Heissenbuttel
President and CEO, Royal Gold

Well, when I say per share metrics, it's very much for me a backwards looking. Let's talk about GEO per share. Let's talk about net operating cash flow per share. Let's talk about EBITDA per share. We have the highest metrics in the industry, and in some cases by a lot. If you're going to look forward, it's about NAV per share. What we have tried to do historically is primarily finance our acquisitions with debt, which I think has made our per share metrics looking backward look so attractive. But I would invite anybody to pick a per share metric and compare us to the others in our sector because even with, as I said, even with the Sandstorm.

Speaker 1

Great. In the last few minutes that we have, I wanted to touch on, I guess, the evolution of royalty and streaming structures. We've seen more just different terms, whether that includes more buyback provisions, areas of interest. Some royalty streaming companies are providing debt in addition to a royalty and stream. Maybe just talk through what you've seen as just the evolution in the terms of these transactions and the structures of these transactions.

Bill Heissenbuttel
President and CEO, Royal Gold

Yeah. Life used to be so simple. You remember when Wheaton Precious Metals was first formed and every transaction was $3.90 per ounce of silver with an inflation adjustment, right? No buybacks. Covered everything. Look, that's what competition does. This is how we compete now. It's not just on price. We try very hard not to compete on things like area of interest. I referenced earlier the management's ability to find mines with upside. If you're cutting off the area of interest, the whole optionality argument goes away. I think buybacks are certainly here to stay. It's the extent of the buyback that you're willing to offer. But when we offer a buyback, it's not just a reduction in our economics. What we're saying to the operator is, "We want you to have an incentive to continue to spend money on your project.

I want you to take 20-year mine life to a 30 or 40-year mine life. If you get more of the economics in the long term, maybe that does incentivize you to do that." As for other products, we have made debt investments. In two occasions, we got fully repaid, had absolutely no issues. Would we be willing to do debt and equity? Yes. But I would say the stream has to be 60%, 70%, 80% of the total investment. We don't want to start leading. I think about Orion Resource Partners as a private equity. Their primary investment is the debt. Then there's a bit of equity and a bit of stream. That's not what we're about. So it would be a little bit reversed, but we're certainly open to it.

Speaker 1

Okay, and then lastly, in the last minute, I have been asking everybody on stage your thoughts on the commodity price and where things are headed.

Bill Heissenbuttel
President and CEO, Royal Gold

We are back to 4,000 almost. I do not know. I cannot figure it out. Long term, I am very positive about gold. You just look at Treasury yields, you look at $40 trillion of debt. I do not know when the next leg of the gold cycle kicks off upward, but I think it is coming.

Speaker 1

Great. I think that is a good place to stop. Bill, thank you very much. That was great.

Bill Heissenbuttel
President and CEO, Royal Gold

Thank you.