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Earnings Call: Q1 2013

Apr 18, 2013

Operator

Please stand by. Good morning, welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the RLI Corp. first quarter earnings teleconference. At this time, I would like to inform you that this conference is being recorded and that all participants are in a listen-only mode. At the request of the company, we will open the conference up for questions and answers after the presentation. Before we get started, let me remind everyone that through the course of the teleconference, RLI management may make comments that reflect their intentions, beliefs, and expectations for the future. As always, these forward-looking statements are subject to certain risk factors which could cause actual results to differ materially. These risk factors are listed in the company's various SEC filings, including the annual Form 10-K, which should be reviewed carefully.

The company has filed a Form 8-K with the Securities and Exchange Commission that contains a press release announcing first-quarter results. RLI management may make reference during the call to operating earnings and earnings per share from operating earnings, which are non-GAAP measures of financial results. RLI's operating earnings and earnings per share from operations consist of net earnings after the elimination of after-tax realized investment gains or losses. RLI's management believes this measure is useful in gauging core operating performance across reporting periods but may not be comparable to other companies' definitions of operating earnings. The Form 10-K contains reconciliations between operating earnings and net earnings. The Form 8-K and press release are available at the company's website at www.rlicorp.com. At the request of the company, we will open the conference up for questions and answers following the presentation.

I will now turn the conference over to RLI's Vice President of Corporate Development, Mr. Aaron Diefenthaler. Please go ahead, sir.

Aaron Diefenthaler
VP of Corporate Development, RLI

Thank you. Good morning to everyone. Welcome to RLI's earnings call for the first quarter of 2013. Joining me on today's call are John Michael, Chairman and CEO, Mike Stone, President and Chief Operating Officer, Tom Brown, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I'm going to turn the call over to Tom first to give some brief opening comments on the quarter's financial results. Mike will talk about our operations and market conditions. Next, we'll open the call to questions, John will finish up with some closing comments. Tom?

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Thanks, Aaron. Good morning. From our perspective, we saw this as another solid quarter. Gross premiums was up 10% over last year. Continuing the segment trends from last year, casualty was the biggest driver, up 23%, as a result of new product initiatives, as well as certain products achieving both rate and exposure growth. The property segment was flat while surety declined slightly as our underwriters remained diligent in light of tough economic conditions. Net written premium is up 12%. That's two points higher than the gross premium growth rate and is largely a result of a new casualty reinsurance treaty put into place 1/1 that allows us to retain more of the attractive business we write as pricing continues to advance. Turning to profitability, the combined ratio was a very strong 86.2.

Included in this result is $10.8 million of favorable development, mostly from the casualty segment and from accident years 2008 to 2011. As a result of the higher premium and lower combined ratios, underwriting income advanced 33% versus last year. Regarding investments, it was a great quarter from a total return perspective, with the overall portfolio advancing 2.5% on the strength of our equity portfolio, which is up 11.5%. Investment income continued to trend down due to low reinvestment rates. At the end of the quarter, the fixed income portfolio stood at a consistent 4.9 duration and a 3.7% book yield. Not to be left out, Maui Jim did its part, contributing 19% earnings growth over last year. The combination of underwriting and investment results drove operating earnings per share of $1.04 per share, up from $0.96 per share last year.

The additional contribution from realized and unrealized investment gains drove excellent growth in book value per share of 4.6% since last year-end. In summary, a positive start to 2013. Now I'd like to turn it over to Michael Stone for further discussion.

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

Thanks, Tom. Good morning, everybody. Again, just to reiterate, a good underwriting quarter. Another sub 90 combined ratio quarter at 86. Good gross written premium growth, 10% gross and 12% net, as Tom indicated. Try to give a little market color. Rates are moving up modestly, casualty some five-plus percent in certain products, property 2%, so just nominally, though growing much more rate in our marine business. Surety is essentially flat. Casualty business, our gross written premium is up 23%. Some products, gross written premium up significantly more and rates up nicely. For example, our commercial umbrella business premium's up 36%, rates up some 17%, as we're finding pockets of opportunity allowing us to write business that other markets are walking away from. Our D&O business, directors and officers, gross written premium up some 20% and rates up 6%.

Again, we're seeing more opportunities as companies pull back and, in some instances, seek significant rate increases well beyond 15%. We're able to move in and take certain layers of D&O excess programs at nice rates. Our transportation business up 55%, while rates are slightly up. Transportation is generally a harbinger of a market change. In this instance, the distress in the marketplace is really from a few markets, a few carriers exiting the business, a few MGAs not being able to keep their carrier paper or losing their reinsurance. There's no real rate push here, but there's still considerable opportunity and considerable competition. Our new products, security guards, medical malpractice, we wrote some $6 million of gross written premium, starting to have a good impact on our growth. Off to a good start in those products. Our property business, basically flat.

The marine business though, while our gross written premium's flat as we re-underwrite our business, rates are up some 11% as we push rate, and the market responds due to the pain from Hurricane Sandy and a generally dismal marine general market over the past number of years. As we continue to re-underwrite, we would expect to continue to see improved results in this line. Our E&S, our surplus lines property book, basically flat. The catastrophe business is under considerable pressure as capital markets come in on top layer cat programs, and we're seeing a new model change that's supposed to be effective sometime in the early third quarter, late second quarter, with the news that it's going to drive loss costs down in the hurricane-prone areas. We're already seeing the impact of that, even though it hasn't been implemented yet.

Our surety business, while gross premium written was down some 5%, there's continued heightened competition in this space with the new entrants seeming to come into this space every month. Markets are willing to extend substantial limits to accounts, cutting out some of the smaller players. Our contract business, contract surety business, is improving as our re-underwriting takes effect, and our integration of the CBIC surety gains traction. Overall, as indicated, the surety market has considerable competition, but we have good products, good underwriters, and we'll continue to perform well. Overall, very good underwriting quarter. Market is in limbo, up a bit, then down a bit, basically going sideways. Trending better, we're still cautiously optimistic. Either way, we'll find ways to outperform the industry. With that, back to you, Aaron.

Aaron Diefenthaler
VP of Corporate Development, RLI

Great. Thanks, Mike. We can now open the call up for questions.

Operator

Thank you, sir. The question and answer session will begin at this time. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up the handset before pressing any numbers. Should you have a question, first please press star then one on your telephone. If you wish to withdraw your question, please press star two. Your question will be taken in the order that it's received. Please stand by for our first question. Our first question comes from Randy Binner with FBR.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR

Hi, good morning. Thank you. Just a question for Mike on the comment about the new model in the property area. You said it would drive loss costs down in hurricane exposed areas. Do you mean it would do that from a reinsurance perspective?

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

Well, no. This is Mike Stone, obviously. No. As we model the business, where we basically write primary business, we model that business before we underwrite it and price it. It's going to basically drive loss costs down, expected losses down, in those cat exposed areas. Just like RMS, I think it was 11, this is going to be RMS 12. RMS 11 drove loss costs up. As they learn more information, get more data, Sandy's part of the impact, they update the model, and the model produces a new result. The truth changes, if you will. It's going to drive costs down, just like it drove loss costs up in the prior model. Net, I think if you put 12 and 11 together, loss costs are still up some 10+%.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR

Okay. What is the dynamic, from your view in RMS 12 now, that would cause kind of some loss cost relief, I guess, versus the impact from 11?

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

Well, you're going to see companies starting to write business at lower rates. That's what you're going to see. Like I said, it's not fully implemented yet. In fact, it's not implemented at all. Everybody knows what the result is already. You're starting to see brokers push new rates. Brokers know what the results are going to be, roughly. We're seeing pressure on cat exposed business, wind business, as a result of that.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR

Right. I guess, are the assumption changes in 12, does it assume more or less inland storms like tornadoes? Is it assuming that hurricanes are going to go farther inland? Is there kind of a piece of the cat profile that changes in 12 that leads to the different result?

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

Again, from our early discussions and analysis of this, it's really looking at lower frequency of events. That's going to drive lower loss costs.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR

Okay. Just one more, if I could, just jumping into investment income. It was alluded to, I think in the press release, that there was more allocation to munis. There's also lower reinvestment yields. Would it be possible to kind of size the impact of those two items on the lower investment income in the quarter, just from a modeling perspective, to understand how much we might be getting back on the tax side versus how much we're just losing as the portfolio turns over.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Yeah, Randy, I can kind of give you a couple thoughts on it. I don't know if I have that exact number, but if you look at first quarter of 2013 to 2012, we've moved from an allocation of 21% in munis close to 31%. Now we're roughly allocated about one-third munis, or I said 31% munis. If you look at it on an effective rate where you've taken into consideration the effective tax, it comes out to the current market yield of about 2.2% overall. I don't know if that really answered your question, but.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR

That's the effective rate just on the muni portfolio. Well, I guess I'd ask the question this way. If net investment income was $12.9 million in the first quarter.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Yes

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR

It was $14.5 million in the fourth quarter, just on a linked quarter basis.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Right

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR

That's a delta of $1.6 million, right?

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Yes

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR

Is it roughly, it's kind of like half of that shortfall reinvestment and half the allocation in munis, or is it kind of much more munis or much more reinvestment? I guess that's what I'm trying to get a sense of.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

I would say it's about two-thirds rate, one-third munis.

Randy Binner
Analyst, FBR

Got it. That's perfect. Thank you very much. Perfect.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Welcome.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Ray Iardella with Macquarie.

Raymond Iardella
Analyst, Macquarie

Thanks and good morning. Maybe just touching on the growth in the casualty segment. I know, Mike, you had mentioned commercial umbrella, D&O, and transportation. Were there any other sort of lines of business that saw good growth?

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

Well, also, it's Michael Stone. Also the new products. We have the medical malpractice business, our security guard business, certainly our professional services, our architects and engineers continues to grow out from a smaller base, but it's growing out. We would expect that growth to start to moderate as they expand their footprint in all 50 states, and they're just about there. The growth really coming from those three products I mentioned first and the new products, and additionally, the professional services, the architects and engineers.

Raymond Iardella
Analyst, Macquarie

Okay. Maybe with that growth, I was a little bit surprised that you didn't get any sort of benefit on the expense ratio side. Do some of those new products carry higher expense ratios, or do you think over time as they build scale that that expense ratio might come down a little bit more?

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Yeah, Ray, as you know, while we've written $6 million-$7 million in new business, that doesn't turn into earned premium overnight. Those carry, but you have your costs associated with that up front. It'll start to level out as you get to a kind of a year-over-year run rate on that. Right now, those are carrying kind of an artificially high expense ratio relative to the earned premium on those.

Raymond Iardella
Analyst, Macquarie

Okay

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

new products.

Raymond Iardella
Analyst, Macquarie

Okay. Even with the 15. No, go ahead, sir.

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

This is Michael Stone. I'd just augment that with we've been building out the footprint on our admitted platform, which is really from our architects and engineers space. That's additional expense. That expense ratio is higher. That'll start coming down as we get that implemented. Certainly, these newer products, surplus lines products, will have a less impact on the expense ratio over time. We would expect that to help as we start earning that premium.

Raymond Iardella
Analyst, Macquarie

Okay, that's helpful. Then I know it's not a big renewal period for reinsurance in 4/1, but I think the surety and some liability lines reinsurance contracts renewed. Any update or major changes to that?

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

This is Michael Stone. Surety renewed. We had basically a 10% overall rate reduction on our surety business. Our PSG, our professional services group, which is basically architects and engineers, miscellaneous professionals, also a 10% rate reduction. Both expiring structures essentially the same.

Raymond Iardella
Analyst, Macquarie

Okay, that's helpful. Last one, maybe just touching on investment income and the tax rate there. What is the tax rate, I guess, just on investment income? Maybe that's another way to look at the impact from munis.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Yeah. If you split it out, Ray, it's pretty much effectively at a 35% on the taxables. It's approximately about a 5% tax rate on the tax exempts.

Raymond Iardella
Analyst, Macquarie

Okay, that's helpful. Thanks again.

Operator

Our next question comes from Meyer Shields with KBW.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Thanks. One more tax question if I can. Were there any savings from dividends to the employee stock ownership plan in the quarter?

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

No. The only really change, the effective rate changed about one percentage point. I would attribute that to the large allocation of munis.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Okay.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Move up 1%.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

We try and separate that out, so that's helpful. Corporate expenses were up sort of significantly year-over-year. Is that just bonus allocations or general expenses, I should say?

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Yeah, Meyer, it's a function of bonuses for the employees.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Okay. On a sequential basis, I guess, looking at casualty lines, taking out the favorable reserve development, they were up the loss ratio was up somewhat significantly sequentially. I was wondering whether that's just caution on new business lines or whether loss cost inflation is starting to get worse.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Yeah. Meyer, you're talking about the casualty line, correct?

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Yes.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Yeah. To give a little backdrop on that, if you really look back to Q1 of last year, your combined ratio is about 109, so it's actually a point down in our first quarter.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Right

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

of this year. I think as you're well aware, we take a long-term view towards the frequency and severity trends, and really don't do our first full-blown study until the second half of 2013. Much like last year when we did that, we saw it come down slightly to around 105 for the year.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Okay. All right. Let me ask this more explicitly. You're not seeing any changes in loss cost inflation, are you?

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Not really, no.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Great. That covers me. Thanks so much.

Operator

Our next question comes from Scott Heleniak with RBC Capital Markets.

Scott Heleniak
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Yes, good morning.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Morning.

Scott Heleniak
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

I was just wondering if you could first comment on, I think you mentioned E&S was flat for the quarter, and it seemed like that was getting a little bit better toward the end of last year. Are you seeing a lot more competition there, and if so, what areas? It seems like that market, just from what we've heard, is improving a little bit. I just wonder if you had any comment on that.

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

When you say E&S, you mean E&S property? That's what I was speaking to, I think.

Scott Heleniak
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah.

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

Yeah. Our property business, certainly there's quite a bit of competition. A bit of that business is our DIC business, California earthquake which is seeing heightened competition as well. We're a ways off from the last event. Underwriters start to have a lapse in memory of what can happen. We're still being disciplined, there's competition there. Certainly on the hurricane side, I talked a little bit about some changes there, both from a capital perspective and an impending model change, which is again putting pressure there. We haven't seen a lot of pickup in rates because of the tornadic activity that we saw in prior years. We've a little bit of movement, but not a lot. The standard lines guys are still running a lot of that business in those areas.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

All in all, we continue to try to push a little rate and remain disciplined. There's quite a bit of competition in that space.

Scott Heleniak
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Then on surety, you talked about more competitive there. Is that just a couple of bigger players kind of getting more aggressive, or is that more smaller players kind of getting back into it that's causing that?

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

I'd say it's a combination. The bigger sureties certainly are competitive, certainly competitive in the transactional miscellaneous surety that we have a nice piece of. They're very aggressive there with commissions. We're seeing new entrants, people that are starting up surety operations. People look at the combined ratios, and it looks pretty attractive. What they don't realize is a lot of costs associated with getting into miscellaneous surety, building out systems, building out distribution networks, and contract surety is always tough. I would caution the competitors that they better be careful.

Scott Heleniak
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Understood. The last question I had was just on the equity portfolio, which is about 22% of invested assets right now. Just wondering, is there a certain range where you'd start reducing exposure? I guess I'm just asking how much further that can go as a percent of your invested assets, or how do you look at that specifically?

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Scott, historically, we keep it pretty much at about an 80% fixed and 20% equity. We might range up north of that depending on how we feel about the portfolio. You'll look back historically, it's been in that 20%-25% range, sometimes lower.

Scott Heleniak
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. 25, kind of the upper end of the sort of range you're talking about?

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Yes.

Scott Heleniak
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

All right. That's all I have. Thanks.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from John Thomas with William Blair.

John Thomas
Analyst, William Blair

Hi. I was wondering, where is the favorable development in casualty coming from this quarter, if there's any large differences between business lines? Then if you could comment on the difference between this quarter and the first quarter of 2012, in that there was a pretty big increase in the casualty development.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

John, I can break it down a little bit. I'm not sure I can give you a good comparison to the prior year, but we'll give it our best. We're seeing it across a number of lines. The GL, umbrella, EPG, and then CBIC's contract PAC product as well. That's about $10.6 million of the total. This year we'd say probably GL and EPG are up relative to the quarter last year. I don't know if I could break it down to actual dollars, I would say those are trending up.

John Thomas
Analyst, William Blair

Okay. Habitational, you're not seeing any adverse development in that area like in prior years?

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

This is Michael Stone. Actually, habitational is kind of leveling off. It's not performing well, it's not performing worse. We're getting off quite a bit of that, certainly the large schedules we're exiting from. We would expect actually to see that improve as the year unfolds. It's not getting any worse.

John Thomas
Analyst, William Blair

Okay. Just on a profitability basis, where would you say that you can find the greatest improvement in profitability in casualty, where do you think you're at a pretty good level right now? Is it just kind of across the board the same?

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

No, we think there's more opportunity in our primary liability business, which we've shrunk over the last four or five years. We think there's opportunity there as the market firms a bit. We're well positioned to increase our writings there. We've kind of tread water given our habitational business that we've had re-underwritten. We think there's certainly opportunity there. Our new businesses, as we grow them out, both the medical malpractice, which has historically a very nice combined ratio, and we think the security guards, as we build it out, will be a nice business for us. We see the commercial umbrella business that's growing. We think there are nice margins there. We're not going to see a lot of margin for a while, but it's a long-tail business.

Given the rates, given the context of the business that we understand and been in it for a long time, we think there's some nice margins there as well.

John Thomas
Analyst, William Blair

All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin Shields with Pine River Capital.

Kevin Shields
Analyst, Pine River Capital

Good morning. I was interested in getting the paid cat losses for this quarter and last, and if you could provide sort of what % of your Hurricane Sandy losses have been paid through the quarter end.

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Well, let me start with our estimate for Sandy. We put out an initial estimate of a range of $15 million-$20 million, and it's remained at the low end of that at $15 million. We have not seen any movement on that. Not sure I have a breakdown of the actual payments right here at my fingertips, but I would say that our net paid losses this quarter compared to the same quarter of 2012 are up about $20 million+. We would attribute a fair amount of that to the Sandy claims, as well as some of the crop program. As we all know, crop did not have a particularly good year last year. That's starting to morph into payments in the quarter.

Jonathan Michael
Chairman and CEO, RLI

Kevin, this is Jonathan Michael. I will say, however, that we were very aggressive in settling the Sandy claims, aggressive in contacting our insureds, even if they hadn't reported a loss, made advanced payments on many of the claims, and we have been on top of that, helping our insureds get through that.

Kevin Shields
Analyst, Pine River Capital

Terrific. Thank you.

Operator

We have a follow-up question from Ray Iardella with Macquarie.

Raymond Iardella
Analyst, Macquarie

Yeah, thanks for taking the follow-up. Just one question. Just looking at stat surplus, it was up over 9% relative to year-end. Is there anything sort of driving that increase in surplus, just given book value growth was up a little bit less than that?

Thomas L. Brown
VP and CFO, RLI

Right, Ray. It's Tom Brown. Good question. It's largely a function of recognition and valuation of investments for statutory purposes and a decline in our not admitted assets that you realize in the statutory world. They didn't move in lockstep. As you saw, I think it's about a $63 million increase in statutory surplus versus the 4.6% increase in equity.

Raymond Iardella
Analyst, Macquarie

Okay. That's helpful. One more, if I can squeeze it in. In terms of ProAg, I think last call you guys had chatted a little bit that some things were not necessarily finalized in the contract. Has there anything changed in terms of expectations for premium for 2013?

Michael Stone
President and COO, RLI

This is Michael Stone. No, the contract is finalized. We had a 4% quota share with ProAg. We have an additional quota share on a subset of states that will generate additional premium. We cede a portion of that as well. It'll be up a bit this year because of the second quota share.

Raymond Iardella
Analyst, Macquarie

Got it. Thanks again.

Operator

As a reminder, everyone, that is star one to ask a question. We'll take our next question from Meyer Shields with KBW.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Hi, just one quick follow-up. If we're seeing, I guess, a modest economic recovery, does that make a divestiture of Maui Jim more or less likely?

Jonathan Michael
Chairman and CEO, RLI

Jonathan Michael here, Meyer. I would say I don't know the answer to that, to be honest. Certainly if Maui Jim continues to perform well, they'll be an attractive target. They have been an attractive target, and we're very happy with our investment in it at this point. I don't know what that portends, to be honest with you.

Meyer Shields
Analyst, KBW

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

There are no further questions. I will now turn the conference back over to Mr. Jonathan Michael for any closing remarks.

Jonathan Michael
Chairman and CEO, RLI

Thank you all for joining us this morning. On a micro level basis, it's raining and raining hard here in central Illinois. The farmers should be very happy about that. This quarter was a very good quarter for RLI. Premiums were up by double digits. Our combined ratio was mid-80s. Rates across most product lines, in fact, almost all product lines continue to advance. Those are the things that I like to hear. The double-digit decline in investment income means we need more rate on the underwriting side to make up for that investment decline. This is good for us. We are excellent underwriters and believe we'll outperform and even thrive in this kind of an environment. Thanks for attending, and we'll talk to you again next quarter.

Operator

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