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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

May 5, 2022

Operator

Good day, and welcome to The RMR Group Fiscal Second Quarter 2022 E arnings Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing Star, then zero on your telephone keypad. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press Star, then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press Star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michael Kodesch, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Moderator

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining RMR's second quarter of fiscal 2022 conference call. With me on today's call are President and CEO, Adam Portnoy, and Chief Financial Officer, Matt Jordan. In just a moment, they will provide details about our business and quarterly results, followed by a question and answer session. I would like to note that the recording and re-transmission of today's conference call is prohibited without the prior written consent of the company. Today's conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and other securities laws. These forward-looking statements are based on RMR's beliefs and expectations as of today, May 5th, 2022, and actual results may differ materially from those that we project.

The company undertakes no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to the forward-looking statements made in today's conference call. Additional information concerning factors that could cause those differences is contained in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be found on our website at www.rmrgroup.com. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance upon any forward-looking statements. In addition, we may discuss non-GAAP numbers during this call, including adjusted net income, adjusted earnings per share, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted EBITDA margin. A reconciliation of net income determined in accordance with U.S. generally accepted accounting principles to adjusted net income, adjusted earnings per share, adjusted EBITDA, and the calculation of adjusted EBITDA margin can be found in our earnings release. Now I would like to turn the call over to Adam.

Adam Portnoy
President and CEO, The RMR Group

Thanks, Michael, and thank you for joining us this afternoon. We are pleased to report improved results this quarter that included adjusted net income of $0.50 per share and adjusted EBITDA of $25.7 million. Both meaningful sequential quarter increases. This quarter was highlighted by ILPT's $4 billion acquisition of Monmouth Real Estate Investment Corporation, which resulted in assets under management at the end of the quarter, reaching almost $38 billion. Since becoming a public company at the end of 2015, our assets under management have grown almost 50% in just 6.5 years. The closing of the Monmouth transaction was the result of the tireless commitment of many parts of the RMR organization, ensuring a seamless integration of Monmouth's 126 high-quality e-commerce-focused properties.

The transaction provides ILPT with increased scale and greater tenant and geographic diversity, while also ensuring ILPT is well-positioned to take advantage of the current industrial market dynamics. Turning to real estate fundamentals and highlights this quarter from some of the other clients. Historically, real estate has proven to be resilient during inflationary environments, and we believe our portfolio is well-positioned to weather market volatility. Approximately 85% of leases at properties RMR manages have annual rent escalators, CPI adjustments, or percentage rent provisions. Further, over 60% of our managed leases have operating expense recoveries that should further mitigate inflationary risks. As new and prospective tenants become increasingly active in securing their long-term real estate needs and office building utilization levels increase, we were not surprised to see strong leasing momentum carry into the second fiscal quarter.

RMR arranged almost 2 million sq ft of leases on behalf of our clients this quarter, with a weighted average lease term of approximately nine years and a weighted average roll-up in rent at over 10%. Additionally, we continue to see increasing signs of a normalizing operating environment and more specifically, a general easing of pandemic-related business disruptions. Even before mask mandates were lifted for air travel, TSA checkpoint travel numbers were up 82% during the first calendar quarter compared to the prior year, indicating a growing eagerness to resume not only leisure travel, but also in-person business meetings and conferences. We believe this is a significant precursor to a more robust return of business travel, hospitality demand, and office utilization. OPI and SVC are the two companies we manage that most directly stand to benefit from these improving trends.

As post-pandemic tailwinds continue, office fundamentals have exhibited steady improvement with increased office utilization, improved leasing volumes, and less available sublease space in the market. Of the four managed equity REITs, OPI remains the most competitive with regard to its total shareholder return versus its peer group, and we remain encouraged by OPI's capital recycling activities, development initiatives, and strong operating results. At SVC, the diversity of its assets continues to distinguish it from other hotel-focused REITs. More specifically, its service retail portfolio, including its leases with TravelCenters of America, continue to be well covered with any pandemic-related disruptions having largely passed. In terms of its hotel portfolio, SVC saw increases in hotel occupancy and RevPAR throughout the quarter as repositioning efforts materialize, transient travel and group activity recovers, and business travel rebounds.

Finally, SVC recently enhanced its liquidity by extending its credit facility through January 2023, gaining extended covenant relief. SVC also recently completed 22 hotel sales, with an additional 42 hotels currently under agreements to be sold. We believe SVC is well-positioned heading into the second half of 2022. DHC reported sequential quarter NOI growth in its same-property SHOP segment, due primarily to rate increases and occupancy stabilization. We are encouraged by these results, and with continued capital investments in DHC's senior living assets, we are hopeful for a continued acceleration in DHC's recovery. Additionally, earlier this week, AlerisLife, who manages 120 communities on behalf of DHC, appointed the company's current CFO as interim president and chief executive officer.

AlerisLife also announced that it retained the healthcare consulting group of Alvarez & Marsal to conduct an operational review of the company over the coming weeks. We are hopeful that these changes will deliver enhanced financial performance and value creation for both AlerisLife and DHC in the future. At the end of the quarter, DHC had almost $1.5 billion in cash and extended the maturity date of its credit facility to January 2024. With ample liquidity, improving operating performance, and medical office leasing results that have remained resilient, we are confident in DHC's trajectory. Finally, in our commercial mortgage REIT, Seven Hills Realty Trust, we continue to believe that the business has attractive long-term prospects. During the quarter, Seven Hills deployed almost $100 million of capital into three first mortgage bridge loans.

Seven Hills leverages RMR's best-in-class originations platform that touts a strong default-free track record. Turning to our efforts to expand our private capital assets under management. Managed private capital AUM ended the quarter at approximately $4 billion, a significant increase from just two years ago when private capital totaled less than $500 million. During the quarter, DHC entered into a $703 million joint venture for 10 office properties with two global institutional investors who acquired a combined 80% equity interest in the venture. In addition, the Monmouth transaction completed by ILPT was partially funded through a joint venture with an institutional investor who contributed $587 million in equity. This new industrial joint venture will not be included in our private capital AUM metrics until such time as ILPT no longer has a controlling interest in the venture.

To that end, we are in active discussions with possible institutional investors seeking to deploy capital in the industrial sector via this new Monmouth joint venture and expect to have more to report in the future. We are also talking to our various private capital relationships about other possible ventures, including credit vehicles that would leverage the successful track record and substantial infrastructure of our Tremont Realty Capital subsidiary. Before I turn the call over to Matt, I wanted to highlight our continued efforts to strengthen corporate governance as we recently added four new independent trustees to the boards of ILPT, OPI, DHC, and Seven Hills. We look forward to benefiting from their collective insights and experiences. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Matt Jordan, our Chief Financial Officer, who will review our financial results for the quarter.

Matt Jordan
EVP and CFO, The RMR Group

Thanks, Adam, and good afternoon, everyone. In the second fiscal quarter, we reported adjusted net income of $8.2 million, or $0.50 per share, and adjusted EBITDA of $25.7 million, with both metrics finishing at the higher end of our guidance. Total revenues were $49.3 million this quarter, which was approximately $7 million higher on a year-over-year basis and over $3 million higher on a sequential quarter basis. The sequential increase in revenues was primarily attributable to ILPT's February 25th acquisition of Monmouth and continued increases in construction management fees. Looking ahead to the remainder of our fiscal year, we expect further increases in our revenues, with each of the remaining quarters in the fiscal year expected to generate revenues of between $52 million and $54 million. This guidance is impacted most notably by the following assumptions.

First, base management fee projections are based on enterprise values at DHC, SVC, and OPI that reflects recent market volatility, as well as expectations for modest debt reduction at DHC and SVC over the remainder of the fiscal year.

Secondly, a full quarter of the Monmouth transaction is expected to generate approximately $3 million in additional fees next quarter. Lastly, continued increases in construction activity across the platform should generate approximately $750,000 in incremental revenues each successive quarter. As it relates to construction management fees, I did want to highlight that in response to investor feedback, we've added additional disclosure in our 10-Q filing, differentiating construction fees from property management fees. Turning to expenses for the quarter. Cash compensation of $31.7 million was flat sequentially as cost increases related to payroll tax and 401(k) contributions resetting on January 1st were offset by two fewer days in the quarter and favorable headcount mix. Looking ahead, we expect cash compensation to remain at approximately $32 million per quarter for the remainder of the fiscal year.

Although the current labor market and wage inflation considerations make these estimates subject to potential change. Cash compensation reimbursement was approximately 43% this quarter, and we expect this reimbursement level to hold for the remainder of the fiscal year, if not slightly improve. G&A was $8.5 million this quarter, inclusive of $550,000 of incremental costs related to annual share grants to our board of directors. We expect G&A to trend at approximately $8.25 million per quarter for the remainder of the year as we continue to make strategic investments in our operating platform. In summary, for each of the remaining two quarters of our fiscal year, we expect adjusted earnings per share to range from $57-$60 per share and adjusted EBITDA to range from $28 million-$30 million.

While we are pleased with this quarter's results, as we look ahead, we believe this guidance represents meaningful increases reflective of how our infrastructure provides for increased profitability as AUM grows. We closed the quarter with over $181 million in cash and continue to have no debt. We believe our balance sheet leaves us well positioned to pursue a variety of strategies to expand our platform. That concludes our formal remarks. Operator, would you please open the line to questions?

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Bill Katz with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Bill Katz
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Citigroup

Okay. Thank you very much, and thank you for taking the questions. I appreciate the update guidance. Let me start there. Just sort of looking at how some of the REITs have performed quarter to date, I guess I'm surprised by the resiliency on the revenue side. How should we be thinking about, and maybe it's already embedded in your response to some modest deleveraging, but just looking at the end of the equity values dropping as much as they've dropped incrementally since the end of March, how should we be thinking about any kind of, you know, further deleveraging, and how does that spill back, if at all, back to RMR, you know, absent just sort of a revenue hit? Is there any sort of capital at risk here?

Adam Portnoy
President and CEO, The RMR Group

Sure. Thanks, Bill. This is Adam. I don't think there's any capital at risk. In terms of the performance of the REITs themselves, you know, the most effective thing we can do as a manager of these REITs is continue to try and focus on their operations and also, you know, prudently manage their balance sheets. I think, you know, some of our REITs that we manage are going to benefit, I think, quite a bit as we come out of Covid, especially I think of SVC, for example, as hotel utilization increases in the coming quarters. I think that's gonna have a marked improvement on the financial performance of SVC. Remember, SVC still doesn't pay a meaningful dividend.

We're still not in compliance with our debt covenants, but I think we're optimistic about being able to get in compliance at least by the third quarter of this year. Then hopefully, you know, soon thereafter, we can think about the dividend there. Those are things, you know, for example, at SVC, that would, I think, have a meaningful impact on the stock price for that company. You know, a company like ILPT, I'm just gonna going through the list. That company is obviously dealing with excessive leverage at the moment, which we anticipate will come down in the coming quarters as we de-lever that company by bringing additional equity investors in the joint venture that we set up with regards to the Monmouth acquisition.

DHC, somewhat similar to SVC in the sense that as there's an improvement, especially at the SHOP portfolio and some of the actions that I highlighted in my prepared remarks that have occurred just this week, with a change in leadership at AlerisLife, which is the largest manager for the SHOP portfolio, DHC bringing in an outside consultant. That has all been done geared towards very much improving operations at AlerisLife, but also the SHOP portfolio. Again, as that performance improves, you know, we expect it to get in compliance with its debt covenants and eventually be able to reinstate its dividend. As those things occur in the coming quarters, I think it will have a positive impact on those businesses.

Bill Katz
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Citigroup

Okay. That, that's helpful. Thank you so much. Then maybe one for Matt, just wanna make sure I understand your guidance. The revenue guidance of $52-$54, is that an all-in number? I apologize. Or is the guidance on Monmouth and the construction revenues incremental to that? Then maybe more broadly, as you look out into fiscal 2023, I guess early calendar 2023, how are you thinking about construction revenues, you know, post this sort of activity level?

Matt Jordan
EVP and CFO, The RMR Group

Let me start with the first one. The 52%-54% is all in, all service and advisory. That. We're trying to give you some of the piece parts to get to that growth, which is largely from where we are today anyway, which is largely Monmouth and then some of the construction activity you highlighted. Then in terms of the construction and frankly, it's development dollars that are driving our guidance. This quarter, we managed approximately $80 million in construction and development. We're projecting in that guidance, those numbers increasing to about $100 million-$120 million, and I would expect that will continue based on the ongoing projects across the companies we manage.

Bill Katz
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Citigroup

Thanks so much.

Operator

The next question comes from Kyle Menges with B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

Kyle Menges
Equity Research and Senior Associate, B. Riley Securities

Hi, this is Kyle on for Brian. I was hoping you could touch on the Sonesta brand a little bit, kind of how the transition of 200 hotels to the Sonesta brand over at SVC has disrupted their operations within the hotel portfolio. It seems like there's meaningful opportunity for those to ramp up in 2022. Maybe just more broadly, could you talk about John Murray's strategy to grow the brand over the next few years?

Adam Portnoy
President and CEO, The RMR Group

Sure. Hi, Kyle. Thank you for that question. Yes. I think Sonesta is ramping quite nicely. Really from the public markets perspective, really the only way to see that is through looking through SVC sort of two different ways. One, you look at the performance of the hotels that SVC owns that are being managed by Sonesta. Also through its 34% ownership that effectively flows through to SVC of as well. Everyone probably knows SVC owns 34% of Sonesta, and Sonesta itself is a private company. Sonesta is, you know, growing quite a bit, and it's not just growing at all really on the back of SVC.

You know, just earlier last week on its balance sheet, it bought four hotels in New York City, which was a great entryway into that gateway city for the brand that was done on Sonesta's balance sheet. You also have to remember that while there's 200 hotels being managed by Sonesta for SVC, we have almost 1,200 hotels that are within the family of Sonesta. There's well over 900 that are being franchised, that are effectively coming off of the, as a result of the Red Lion acquisition. So Sonesta has a lot going on in it right now, away from just managing the hotels for SVC. That being said, the management of the hotels is significant for Sonesta. I'm pretty optimistic, and I think the team at Sonesta is pretty optimistic that in the.

Over the coming year, we are going to meaningfully improve the margin. You know, over time, I think SVC will also quite a bit benefit from that 34% ownership. As an SVC Investor, I really do hope the market looks through not only at the margins of the hotels, what they're producing, but also the value of that 34% ownership. Because in combination, I believe as we get out into the out years here and as Sonesta continues to grow and expand 2023 and 2024 and 2025, in combination, the margin as well as the value of that ownership is probably gonna significantly exceed, you know, the cash flow it was receiving when the hotels were branded by the prior brands. I think we feel pretty good about where we are.

In terms of what John Murray's focused on as the new CEO at Sonesta, I think part of the reason John was sort of the perfect fit for going over to Sonesta at this time when Carlos, the former CEO, decided to depart the company, was one, John's got a long history in hotels, and he was heavily involved in acquiring almost every hotel that Sonesta currently manages and is also integral in the acquisition of Red Lion last year. You have to remember, John also, you know, is a, he's probably gonna hate me saying this, but he's a deal guy. He's a growth-oriented fellow. You know, he ran acquisitions at RMR for many years, and before that he ran just acquisitions for hospitality. I think he's very focused on growth, and I don't think

You know, to be very clear, I think he's, you know, if you had to think about where he's focused, it's picking up additional franchising, franchises. It's picking up additional management contracts. It's a little bit using the Sonesta balance sheet to make outright acquisitions of hotels. But I think that's very much what he's focused on and why he's the right person to lead the company right now, because that's what Sonesta really needs to focus on is growing its brand and growing the number of hotels that are franchised or managed by Sonesta. We have a great opportunity now at Sonesta, 1,200 hotels, but you know, I think we really have an opportunity to grow that by quite a bit in the coming years.

Kyle Menges
Equity Research and Senior Associate, B. Riley Securities

Great. Thanks for all that, color. That's all for me.

Operator

Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Ronald Kamdem with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Ronald Kamdem
Managing Director and Head of US REITs and CRE Research, Morgan Stanley

Hey, thanks for taking the questions. Just the first one on ILPT, I think you hit on a few comments, just about I think the congrats on closing the acquisition. I think the plan is sort of to delever that. Maybe a little bit just more color on, you know, conversations that you may be having in terms of third-party capital to come in and how you think about sort of refinancing some of that there would be helpful. Thanks.

Adam Portnoy
President and CEO, The RMR Group

Sure. Thank you for that question. At ILPT, you know, sort of, in the wake of their public announcements last week when they announced earnings, you know, we are having very productive discussions with additional equity providers into that joint venture. We remain confident, if not optimistic, that we will have additional equity investors into that joint venture. By doing that alone, it will deconsolidate that joint venture off of the ILPT balance sheet. Just doing that alone will, on a headline number on its balance sheet, reduce leverage significantly. The other thing that is going on there, more specific to the ILPT balance sheet, you know, post, let's say, a deconsolidation of the joint venture, is also deleveraging through asset sales.

I think as ILPT said on their call last week, you know, they are moving forward. We are moving forward very well. We've continued to be confident, again, optimistic that we will sell the assets as outlined since we made the acquisition. In our experience at RMR, the good news from our perspective, you know, the depth of our platform, the type of real estate market, the different sectors we work in, you know, we're buying and selling assets across the board, you know, every week. We have a pretty good feel for what's going on in the market. Generally speaking, we remain confident those sales will occur largely as we said they would. That unto itself will be a deleveraging event for ILPT.

Those two things which we continue to feel confident about are what we think is gonna happen at ILPT and will result in what I believe to be significant deleveraging before the end of the year.

Ronald Kamdem
Managing Director and Head of US REITs and CRE Research, Morgan Stanley

Great. If I could just follow up on that. You know, with obviously the Amazon news about sort of overcapacity, does something like that impact conversations or willingness to do deals in the market? Or just the capital is too long-term focused and is just, you know, industrial fundamentals remain too attractive for that to matter? Just trying to get a sense if the timing could be impacted at all just from that news, if there's a ripple effect, if that made sense.

Adam Portnoy
President and CEO, The RMR Group

Yeah. I think there's the Amazon comments last week from their earnings announcement obviously rippled through sort of the industrial REIT sector and industrial markets as a whole. Look, I don't think the long-term fundamentals and thesis around the growth in need for growth in industrial space has changed. We have seen some of the highest rent increases over the last couple quarters. We're running in our portfolio close to 100% occupied. Everything we see points to continued, you know, double-digit rent growth in the coming quarters. To be honest with you, I think the bigger impact, which we haven't seen yet, but I'm looking out for, is less what Amazon said and more just the movement in interest rates, and is that eventually gonna have an impact on cap rates.

You know, I think it could be said certainly in the industrial sector, large portfolios, very large portfolios, I think it has had some impact on pricing. I've yet to see meaningful changes in pricing on an individual asset-by-asset basis in industrial. But, you know, the Fed made an announcement yesterday, and they've indicated it's where interest rates are going. You know, that's something I think we look out on or focus on. The counter to that is just what you said. There is so much capital looking to invest in this sector. You know, there's only a few real estate sectors that most people want to invest in. Industrial is one of them. There's many that have been redlined by many investors, retail, office, hospitality. There's not many left to invest in.

Multifamily, industrial being two of the biggest that people are still focused on. Part of what we've, you know, the counter to the fact that interest rates might be going up and that could affect industrial cap rates is we just look at the multifamily sector. While in that sector, we continue to see very low cap rates in that sector, and maybe that's a precursor to what is gonna continue to happen in the industrial. Even with rising interest rates, maybe industrial cap rates do not move meaningfully. To be honest with you, I'm less concerned about the Amazon announcement. I'm more thinking about what's happening to interest rates and does that affect the cap rates for industrial.

Ronald Kamdem
Managing Director and Head of US REITs and CRE Research, Morgan Stanley

Helpful. That's it for me. Thanks so much.

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Adam Portnoy for any closing remarks.

Adam Portnoy
President and CEO, The RMR Group

Thank you for joining us today. Operator, that concludes our call.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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