You for holding, and welcome to Rockwell Automation's Quarterly Conference Call. I need to remind everyone that today's conference call is being recorded. Later in the call, we will open up the lines for questions. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Patrick Goras, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr.
Goras, please go ahead.
Good morning, and thank you for joining us for Rockwell Automation's Q1 fiscal 2017 earnings release conference call. With me today are Blake Moret, our President and CEO and Ted Crandall, CFO. Our results were released earlier this morning and the press release and charts have been posted to our website. Both the press release and charts include reconciliations to non GAAP measures. A webcast of this call will be available at that website for replay for the next 30 days.
Before we get started, I need to remind you that our comments will include statements related to the expected future results of our company and are therefore forward looking statements. Our actual results may differ materially from our projections due to a wide range of risks and uncertainties that are described in our earnings release and detailed in all of our SEC filings. So with that, I'll hand the call over to Blake.
Thanks, Patrick, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the call today. I'll start with some key points for the quarter, so please turn to Page 3 in the slide deck. We had a good start to fiscal 2017. Organic growth was 4%, better than we expected.
Our largest market, the U. S, returned to growth and we saw double digit growth in emerging markets. Globally, consumer and transportation were
our strongest verticals.
Oil and Gas and Mining remained our weakest verticals, but have now been stable sequentially for several quarters. While the quarter was better than we expected, we believe we may have seen a somewhat higher than normal budget flush at the end of the quarter, primarily in the U. S. And we did see some larger projects hit in Q1 that we expected later in the year. From a regional perspective, as I mentioned, the U.
S. Returned to organic growth earlier than we expected. Strong growth in consumer and automotive was partially offset by weakness in heavy industries, including oil and gas and mining. As expected, EMEA started the year slowly and was down about 2% year over year. However, orders were up year over year and we expect sales growth for the balance of the year in this region.
Our performance in Asia was better than we expected, with strong growth in the consumer and transportation verticals. We saw growth across all countries in this region, including China, where we saw double digit growth. And in Latin America, growth was driven by Mexico and Brazil. A couple of additional comments about the quarter. Our recent acquisitions performed well and contributed almost 2% of sales growth.
Our process business improved and was about flat year over year organically. Including our recent Maverick acquisition, process was up high single digits. Architecture and Software had a very strong quarter with almost 8% organic growth. Within this segment, Logix was also up 8% compared to last year. I'm also pleased with over 21% segment margin in the quarter.
Ted will elaborate more on Q1 financial performance in his remarks. Let's move on to our outlook for the balance of fiscal 2017. The macro outlook remains consistent with our assumptions earlier in the fiscal year. We expect continued growth in the consumer and transportation verticals. Oil and commodity prices have been stable or inched up and our business in these markets has been relatively flat now for a few quarters.
We expect heavy industry to be about flat year over year. Recent projections continue to call for improving GDP and industrial production growth rates, as well as higher levels of global capital expenditures. Taking the macro outlook and our strong Q1 into consideration, we now expect fiscal 2017 organic sales to be up about 3% year over year. Including the impact of acquisitions and a larger headwind from currency, we continue to project fiscal 2017 sales of a little over $6,000,000,000 and are revising the adjusted EPS guidance range to $5.95 to $6.35
Ted will provide
more detail around sales and earnings guidance in his remarks. Before I turn it over to Ted, let me add a few comments. A couple of months ago, we hosted many of you at our annual automation fair in Atlanta. Once again, it was a resounding success as thousands of customers and partners attended and learned about our latest technology innovations and capabilities. We've heard that our customer testimonials resonated with many of you and provided powerful examples of how we partner with our customers and help them become more globally competitive.
Strong underlying demand for our products enables us to accelerate investments this year in core technologies and domain expertise and to expand the new value we are providing in information solutions and connected services. Together, these will further enhance our ability to bring the connected enterprise to life and profitably grow share at customers globally. And a powerful indicator that our innovation is creating value for customers is the recognition we were receiving. Control Magazine, a leading process industry publication, recently released its 2017 Readers' Choice Awards. Our results were great as we again won more 1st place awards than any other company.
Now, as we get ready to hear from Ted, I want to say a few words about him. As you probably all know by now, this is Ted's last earnings call in the CFO role, but I'm very happy to be able to continue to leverage his well recognized experience and understanding of our connected enterprise strategy in the CP and S segment leadership role. I'm also very pleased to welcome Patrick to my senior leadership team. With his proven leadership and extensive experience, I'm confident he will move seamlessly into his new role as CFO. The leadership changes are the result of a thoughtful and long term leadership succession plan that maximizes the contribution of our experienced leaders while ensuring the continuous addition of new talent and perspectives for our company, customers, partners and investors.
On a personal note, Ted has helped immensely with my own transition. I believe we have a great management team in place. With that, Ted.
Well, thank you, Blake, and good morning, everyone. I'll start my comments on Page 4, which is the Q1 key financial information. Sales in the quarter were $1,490,000,000 an increase of 4.5% compared to Q1 last year. Sales increased 3.8% on an organic basis. Acquisitions contributed 1.8% to growth and currency translation reduced sales in the quarter by 1.1%.
Segment operating margin was 21.2%, 50 basis points higher than Q1 last year and primarily due to higher sales and lower spending and despite the restoration of incentive compensation that we talked about in the November guidance. Spending was a bit light in the Q1 and you should expect spending to increase as we proceed into the balance of the year. The margin result also reflected a good productivity result in Q1, including savings from our restructuring actions in Q4 last year. General corporate net expense was $15,000,000 compared to $18,000,000 a year ago. Adjusted earnings per share were $1.75 an increase of $0.26 or 17% compared to the Q1 of last year.
The increase is due to a combination of higher sales, improved margins and a lower tax rate. The adjusted effective tax rate in the quarter was 18.1% compared to 22.8% in Q1 last year. As expected, the adjusted effective rate in Q1 included a significant benefit from discrete tax items. We talked about this benefit when we provided guidance in November. A relatively small part of the discrete tax benefit in Q1 was due to our adoption of the new accounting standard regarding equity based compensation.
Free cash flow for Q1 was $271,000,000 Free cash flow conversion on adjusted income was 119%. Our trailing 4 quarter return on invested capital was 34.6%. And a couple of other items, average diluted shares outstanding in the quarter were 129,700,000, down about 2% compared to last year. And during the Q1, we repurchased almost 650,000 shares at a cost of about $81,000,000 At the end of the quarter, we had $864,000,000 remaining under our share repurchase authorization. The next two slides present the sales and operating margin performance of each segment.
Page 5 is the Architecture and Software segment. Beginning on the left side of this page, Architecture and Software segment sales were $696,000,000 in Q1, up 8.3% compared to Q1 last year. The organic sales increase was 7.6%, currency translation reduced sales by 1% and acquisitions contributed 1.7% to sales growth. Moving to the right side of the chart, A and S margins were 30%, up 2.6 points compared to prior year and primarily due to the operating leverage associated with higher sales coupled with lower spending. Moving to Page 6, the Control Products and Solutions segment.
In the Q1, Control Products and Solutions sales were $794,000,000 up 1.3% year over year. Organic sales increased 0.7%, currency translation reduced sales by 1.3% and acquisitions contributed 1.9% to growth. In the CP and S product businesses, the organic sales increase was about 3%. Solutions and services sales were down about 1% organically. The book to bill in Q1 for Solutions and Services was 1.11.
CP and S operating margin was 13.6% in Q1, down 1.7 points year over year, the biggest factor being higher incentive compensation costs. Moving to Page 7, this provides a breakdown of our sales and shows the year over year organic growth results for the quarter. Blake covered much of this in his remarks. I'll add just a couple of comments. The organic sales growth in Q1 was driven primarily by Asia Pacific and North America.
Asia Pacific was up 20% year over year with China and India each up mid teens. We experienced strong growth in both product and solutions and services businesses in the region. The strong growth Pacific was admittedly off relatively easy comparisons and as Blake mentioned, sales performance benefited from some favorable timing on larger projects that we thought would hit later in the year. Overall for the company, organic growth for emerging markets was 11% this quarter. And that takes us to the guidance slide.
As Blake mentioned, we're making some changes, primarily based on the better than expected sales performance in Q1, we're increasing our expectation for organic growth by 1 point across the range. So a midpoint for organic growth of 3% for the full year compared to the previous 2% and the new range of 1% to 5% organic growth. The better than expected organic growth in Q1 accounts for most of the increase in the organic growth guidance for the full year. So our outlook for sales for the balance of the year remains reasonably constant with our November guidance. Based on recent currency rates, we now expect a larger headwind from currency translation, the headwind increasing from about 1 half point to a little less than 2 points.
We still expect total sales to be a little over $6,000,000,000 with the additional currency headwind offsetting the higher organic growth. Our previous margin guidance was about 20%. In November, I said maybe that would be a little lower than 20%. Now we think maybe it's a little higher than 20%. Previously, we expected a full year adjusted tax rate of 24%.
We now expect that to be closer to 23.5 percent and basically that reflects a somewhat higher discrete tax benefit in Q1 than we previously thought. We're revising adjusted EPS guidance from the previous range of $5.85 to 6 $0.25 to a new range of $5.95 to $6.35 and the midpoint increases from $6.05 to $6.15 For the full year, we expect free cash flow conversion to be above 100 percent of adjusted income. A couple of items not shown here. We now expect general corporate net expense to be approximately $70,000,000 for the full year. Also, we now expect average diluted shares outstanding to be about 129,500,000.
That's about 1,500,000 shares higher than the November guidance. We continue to expect to spend about $400,000,000 on repurchases this year, but the share price has increased. Before I turn it over to Patrick to begin our Q and A session, as Blake noted, this will be my final earnings call as CFO. I'd just like to say that it has been an honor to be the Chief Financial Officer at Rockwell Automation. As you can imagine, it's a lot easier job when you're representing a great company with such a great culture and such great people.
I'm really pleased to have Patrick Gores succeed me as CFO. Most of you have gotten to know him over the past 2 years in his Investor Relations role. He has a great breadth of financial management experience across our different businesses and functions. He's very well prepared for this and I know he's going to do a great job. I've really enjoyed the CFO role these past 10 years.
Part of that was the opportunity to interact with all of you, the analysts and the investors. I learned a lot from your questions, the challenges and sometimes your differing views on the industry and the company. I'm excited to be moving back to an operating role where I think I can make a different contribution to the company's continued success. I won't be interacting with this group as often going forward, but if not before then, I'll look forward to seeing many of you at the next Automation Fair. And since this is my last earnings call, I expect you all to take it easy on me in Q and A.
So thank you and over to you, Patrick.
Before we start the Q and A, I just want to say that we would like to get to as many of you as possible, so please limit yourself to one question and a quick follow-up. As usual, Blake and Ted will handle the Q and A today. Thank you. Operator, let's take our first question.
Certainly. And first today is Scott Davis from Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Good morning, guys. And Ted, we're going to miss you. But I must say on behalf of shareholders, we're happy you're not retiring and at least Rockwell is not losing you altogether. So thankfully, you're staying on board. So best of luck to you.
It's been a pleasure.
Thank you.
But I know Patrick will do a great job. But anyways, I am intrigued by your comment about capital spending. I mean, when I think about the world, it's people struggle with the concept of new capacity just given how limited growth is out there. But what are people spending money on? I mean, if you could generalize, are we going back into the existing factory stock and upgrading?
Is it to supply chain? Is it distribution? I mean, what's your sense of, if capital spending is coming back, what people actually are spending money on?
I think it's primarily around increased productivity. And as we've seen, a lot of people implement the 1st waves of productivity in terms of just basic automation and replacing hardwired control. The next wave, in many cases, involves the integration of that basic control and information. So taking advantage of the basic data that's a part of their production processes and integrating the information software and the analytics so that operators can make better decisions about their manufacturing processes.
Scott, I think too in this quarter from a vertical perspective, the acceleration we saw was largely in consumer and transportation.
Okay. And just Ted, you commented on spending will go up at Rockwell going forward. I certainly understand compensation and accruals and stuff like that. But what explicitly do you feel like you need to spend money on? Is it new capacity on your own?
Have you been under investing at all? Just give us a little color on that.
Yes. I mean, I think the spending is more it's not so much about capacity and supply chain. The spending is going to be more about R and D and commercial expenses and very much targeted at some of the new opportunities we have related to connected enterprise. Okay.
Yes. So we'll see you next time. Thank you.
I'll pass it on. You guys have done a great job and it's been a pleasure. So good luck to you, Ted.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from John Inge from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Thanks. Good morning, everyone.
Good morning, John.
Good morning, Ted, Patrick, congratulations. So, first question, China up mid teens, it had been running down. China has sort of been this tail for Rockwell of kind of 2 halves, right? Like the consumer piece up very strongly and then the heavy industry piece down a lot. What happened in China in the quarter?
Did the consumer get even stronger or did heavy industry revert? You talked about some orders. Could you just provide a little more color, please? And is it sustainable really?
Yes. So the first thing I would say is, we mentioned that there were some pull ins. We think there were some pull ins of jobs we expected to hit later in the year. That was true in Asia generally, but particularly in China. I would say the vertical profile that we experienced most of last year, which was strength particularly in consumer to a lesser extent in transportation and weakness in heavy industry that continued, but we have particularly strong quarter in tire in China.
Heavy industry was better, although still weaker. And I don't think we do not expect China to be 15% growth for the full year. We still think for the full year, an expectation of something in mid single digits is appropriate.
So it sounds like Ted based on your commentary, this is maybe more a Rockwell specific rebound versus a China market rebound. I mean 3 ms talked up China, some other companies have talked up, Parker sort of talked about the China rebound a little bit and some of the heavier stuff. Are you suggesting that this is a pull forward of initiatives you were working on? Like how much is Rockwell versus how much you think is sort of market in the Q4 for China?
I'm not sure I know exactly how to quantify that, but my guess would be that maybe half of the growth in the quarter was kind of pull ins and some unique to Rockwell projects and the other half was kind of underlying market.
Strong parts of the China market are playing to our strengths.
Yes, absolutely. Makes sense. Can we then just as my follow-up, can you please talk about your export versus import position? We know kind of at a very sort of high level what your situation is in Mexico. Obviously, we're going to wait to see sort of what Trump does, but could you just talk about sort of again your export versus import position in the United States and then your own thoughts toward repurposing perhaps some of the production say in Monterey or whatever back to the U.
S. Or alternate sourcing? Anything you could add at this point would be helpful. Thank you.
Yes. So maybe just to start with a little context. Look, we're a U. S.-based company, but we serve a global customer set and our global supply chain has been constructed to serve those customers all around the world. Today, we are a net importer into the U.
S, but I think it's very important to note that we've got flexibility in our global supply chain And we believe we could make adjustments if there were changes in the tax law that made that appropriate.
Your next question comes from Steve Tusa from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Hi, guys. This is Dan on for Steve. Just wondering if you can give us some color on how the quarter look from a monthly perspective. Did it get better as you moved along? And then how is January started off?
Are you seeing kind of a similar environment or a step up or down in activity?
Dan, I would say the quarter played out in a pretty typical fashion, which is it started a little bit slower and then picked up as we move through the quarter. I would say maybe the only unusual thing in the quarter was the last couple of weeks in December were stronger than normal. And it's the reason that we think there might have been a little bit of budget flush, particularly in North America. January has started off slowly as a typical January, but things have picked up a little bit as the month has gone on.
Great. And then just as
a quick follow-up, what was auto up for you
guys in the quarter, I guess, both globally and then do you have any color on strength by region?
So auto was up over 10% in the quarter.
Got it. Thanks,
guys. Next, we have Nigel Coe from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Yes, thanks. Good morning, guys. Obviously, nice strong quarter. You mentioned some budget flush particularly in North America. What do you think caused that?
Why would we have seen that budget flush in December? And on top of that, what do you see in your channel inventories specifically within North America?
Yes. So Nigel, I'm not sure I know what I don't know that we know what caused the budget flush. We heard that comment from several of our distributors and we also observed that there was a little bit higher than normal order rate in those last couple of weeks in December. That's why we're speculating that there may have been some higher than normal budget flush. In terms of distributor inventories, particularly in North America, we have very good visibility on that and distributor inventories were up slightly from September.
Okay. That's helpful. And then on the segment margin guidance for FY 'seventeen, didn't change. Obviously, there's a squiggle in front of the number. But given the higher organic growth and given the strong incremental margins in A and S, we're expected to see a slightly better or slightly higher segment margin guidance.
Is there any change in the way you're planning the year between CPS and A and S or are there some offsets in FX and or comp that we should consider?
Well, I think it's more about the latter. I mean, basically, we've got more currency headwind now, top line and bottom line as a consequence of what's happened with exchange rates. There will also be higher spending in the latter half of the year. Some of that is just a catch up from underspending in Q1. But we also believe we're going to spend a little bit more in total for the year now consistent with higher organic growth.
And then incentive comp will also be higher as a consequence of higher organic growth and higher EPS.
Okay. That's perfectly clear. Thanks, guys.
Your next question comes from Shannon O'Callaghan from UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Good morning guys. Good morning.
Good morning.
Congratulations, Ted and Patrick. Ted, glad to be around. We'll see you at Automation Fair. Hey, relative to that, the last few Automation Fairs or at least the last couple, it seemed like, Blake, you've had a lot of these productivity solutions that you're talking about, you've offered customers, but maybe the adoption wasn't great because there wasn't a lot of business confidence out there. I mean, have you heard in the last couple of months a change in tone from your customers?
Has there been sort of better follow on to Automation Fair than we've seen in the last couple of years in terms of people's willingness to adopt these sort of productivity related solutions that you're offering?
The progress is still relatively slow. And of course, customers are at different stages in their journey as they begin to adopt some of our new solutions. But it starts with having the foundation in place with smart products. And so we do think that customers are getting that message as they know they have to have the data at the foundation of their manufacturing process to be able to do something with it. The pilot projects that we've been running, I think have become a little more formalized over the last few months.
We're getting better at it. Our customers are understanding the process. And so we have a large number of engagements that are just moving through the pipeline, and we're happy with that progress. And some of the increased spending is going to acceleration of those activities.
Shannon, I also think when we debriefed our sales organization this quarter, we did hear kind of a more positive sentiment both from our own salespeople and from the channel than would have been the case 6 months ago.
Okay, great. Thanks. And then on the oil and gas piece, given kind of the upstream weighting of your business and things, I mean, I almost think you'd be starting to see a little bit more improvement there than you seem to be indicating. Any change in activity that you're seeing there? Or when would you expect I know you're kind of still assuming it's flattish, but anything on the margin that you're seeing improving there?
Or any reason that you wouldn't expect your business to kind of turn with an improvement in some of the U. S. Upstream activity?
So after the last two years, what we experienced the last couple of quarters is getting close to flat year over year. That feels pretty good actually. We do think there's the potential for some improvement as we move through this year. But for the full year, we still think it's going to be close to flat.
Yes. The sentiment in Heavy Industries in general is a little bit more positive. But when that's actually going to turn into orders and shipments, these are longer term projects. Oil and Gas continued strong in Latin America, but for the rest of the world, we're still not seeing that manifest itself in sharply increased orders.
Okay, great. Thanks a lot guys. Congrats.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from Jeffrey Sprague from Vertical Research Partners. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Thank you. Good morning, gentlemen, and congratulations. Hi, John. Hi, John. Hi.
Hey, just to the A and S business. Wondering if you could comment on A and S
U. S. Performance in the quarter
specifically and whether it was different than kind of the modest increase in total U. S. That we saw on a Rockwell basis?
The A and S business in Q1 was pretty similar to the balance of the company in Q1. It was strong growth.
And the A and S margins, Ted, did they not have the incentive comp pressure that CP and S did or it was just overwhelmed by the volume leverage in the mix and therefore it wasn't apparent?
Well, you're exactly right. I mean the year over year margin impact of incentive comp was pretty similar in the two segments, but with almost 8% organic growth in A and S, it just kind of swamped that impact.
Great. And just wondering if you could step back perhaps, Blake, just big picture on automotive automation. Obviously, there's a lot going on in Washington, D. C. Any auto plant, I believe, is pretty highly automated these days.
But is the for lack of a better term, is the Rockwell calorie count likely to be higher in a U. S. Automotive plant than it is, say, in a Mexican automotive plant? And how would you think about that? How would you frame that for us?
So I think that's a fair assumption that as U. S. Manufacturers increase or as manufacturers increase their U. S. Footprint,
it's going
to be done with a higher relative content of advanced manufacturing. And that's great for us. We have, of course, very large market share, particularly in that industry. And so anything that encourages increased manufacturing in the U. S.
Is a good thing for Rockwell Automation given our footprint. And that impact on sales is something that has us very optimistic and talking to customers about what additionally we can do to help them as they make those decisions to increase their footprint here in the country.
I know rule of thumbs are dangerous, but right, if we thought about a typical auto plant that maybe is a 200000 or 300000 unit plant, can you give us some idea of what you think the revenue upside in the U. S. Versus some other market might be kind of in percentage terms or index or whatever kind of framework you might want to
give us?
I would I think it depends a lot of factors, of course. And in terms of when that plays out for us, timing is a big issue. But it's if you look at some of the numbers that were published, for instance, with the recent Ford plan and you can look at the labor differences between what they were going to employ outside of the U. S. Versus their expectations for new jobs in the U.
S, you can apply that linearly to the increased dollar count for Rockwell, but it gives you some idea of an order of magnitude.
Your next question comes from Richard Eastman from Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Yes. Good morning and congrats on a nice quarter and good luck Ted and Patrick for that matter. Just very quickly on the CP and S segment margin, Ted, could you maybe run through that a little bit? I think what's kind of noticeable here is on the sales growth and on the sales growth, we our incremental or decremental margin here is almost 100%. And I'm just I'm curious, I realize Maverick comes in at a lower margin, but is that business losing money?
And then also, if not, is the margin on the core CP and S business, is that lower than historic norms?
Well, so a couple of things. First, Maverick will not lose money, but we're not expecting in the 1st year, both with purchase accounting and integration costs that we'll get a significant profit contribution from those sales. On the CP and S core, I don't think I would say this performance is significantly worse than historic results. But I would say that we're going to have some margin pressure in this business compared to last year. I mean, we had a particularly good margin performance last year that included some higher margin project business that just isn't going to repeat this year.
And as we progress through the year with downturns in heavy industry and the pressure, we've got some lower margin projects in the backlog. They're going to work their way out this year as a consequence of some more aggressive pricing. So we're going to have some margin pressure in that business this year. I think for the full year margins will be a little bit lower than last year, but I don't expect them to get worse as we proceed through the year compared to the Q1.
Thank you. And then just a follow-up question. Blake, you had noted in the press release just this issue of investing a bit more in the business given the fast start on the core growth. Could you just maybe define that in terms of dollars, Ted, pre tax? I mean, are we talking about $0.05 or $0.10 per share and hence, again, the outlook full year adjusted EPS outlook maybe only going up a dime.
We've got currency negative currency there and then is there another $0.05 to 10% or $0.05 to $0.10 of incremental investments?
Yes, I mean maybe think about it this way. There's probably about $10,000,000 that we underspent in Q1 that we're going to catch up on now in the balance of the year. And compared to our previous guidance, there's another incremental $10,000,000 that we now expect to spend.
I got it. Okay. Okay, very good. And good luck again. Thank you.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Obin from Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Yes, good morning.
Good morning.
Congratulations, Ted and Patrick.
Thank you, Andrew.
Just a question. As we look at software sales at Rockwell and specifically software excluding embedded software. Could you share what kind of growth you are seeing in the channel? And what are the trends? What are the customers asking for?
So if we look at the information solutions, then we're seeing double digit growth in that area. So this is the MES solutions. This is the modular software. This is where our new analytic offerings would be. And so that's part of the information solutions and connected services, which we're expecting double digit growth in.
And when you say double digit, is it low teens, high teens, just sort of ballpark?
I mean, I think you can think of that for this year as kind of low to mid teens.
Thank you. And just to follow-up on Jeff's question, on what kind of can you give us some color just generally post the election, what kind of conversations are you having with customers? What industries are the most interested in talking to you and putting capacity in North America because you guys probably are at the cutting edge of what's happening and the kind of conversations people are having?
I think a lot of the early conversations are around discrete manufacturing or batch. So again, it's right in our wheelhouse in consumer and transportation. And there's some obvious things that we can do to help those manufacturers ensure that they have the labor that's ready to address the advanced manufacturing technology. That's a big issue for manufacturers, particularly if they've deferred those investments in automation for some time. So we're very well positioned to be able to offer to enable that workforce.
And then when they need additional sources of labor to augment their own existing workforce, then we have a lot of solutions there. And so we're actively engaged with those manufacturers be able to put specific new proposals in place on top of what we already offer them.
Your next question comes from the line of Steven Whittaker from Bernstein. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Thanks. Good morning and congrats. I'll echo everybody's comments. So just maybe going we've covered a lot of ground, but going back to your comment that larger projects were pulled forward larger projects from the end of the year were pulled forward in terms of your expectations. Can you maybe expand on that a little bit?
I know there's only a certain level of visibility given the nature of the business. What makes you believe that there's not something behind that as well? And what kind of projects are we talking about?
Well, I mean, the larger project pull forward primarily occurred in Asia Pacific. It was kind of a combination of across verticals that affected both transportation and heavy industry. Semiconductor was one of those. Look, Steve, if I had to estimate, I would estimate that our organic growth in the Q1 between project pull forwards and potential budget flush, maybe one point of the organic growth was related to that. I mean, even if you take that out, this was still a better quarter than we expected.
Okay.
And then as we think about your the $20,000,000 or so of spending and how things are going to layer in through the year as well kind of growth. Normally in terms of seasonality, I might start to look at Q2 being maybe a little more challenging, but you have this acceleration, and then you have a very strong back half now. Can you maybe comment on how you think we should or how we should think about kind of layering in the seasonality given the commentary you've had?
I think there are 2 things you ought to think about. 1 is our normal merit increases occur basically effective January 1 across the company. And so sequentially, there will be a step up in spending probably about $10,000,000 on a sequential quarterly basis. That's just a consequence of that merit increase. And then in addition to that, you'll start to see us ramp what I would call more underlying spending.
And I think that will ramp as we proceed through the year. So probably a little lower in Q2 and a little bit higher in Q3 and Q4.
And then from a growth perspective as well, as you're thinking about that step up in organic growth, I mean, is this something you're thinking about kind of natural year on year acceleration each quarter from here?
Well, I think on sales, you'll see some increase from Q1, but not a lot of sequential growth in Q2, Q3, then you ought to expect kind of a step up in Q4, which is typical for us on a seasonal basis.
Great, helpful. And I guess one more thing, Ted. In your response to John's comments about being a net importer, I think it's probably important, we kind of know that you're net importer. The question is more about size. And we're talking low 100 of millions, not something more than that or is it possibly larger?
Correct. We think we're probably about $250,000,000 net importer. Okay.
Thanks so much. Good luck.
Look forward to our next conversations. Bye.
Thank you.
Your next Your next question comes from Rich Kwas from Wells Fargo.
Congrats, Patrick, Ted. Look forward to working with you in your new capacities. Two questions, quick ones. So on the change to the organic growth outlook, the 100 basis points improvement, how would you segment that between heavy industry maybe a little bit better versus automotive and consumer coming in better than expected? Because I know you put some guidelines out there for underpinning the growth back in November and it looks like in at least this quarter both of those areas came in better.
So how should we think about that?
Rich, I think it's fair to think about that increase as primarily, transportation and consumer. Okay.
And then based on what you're seeing right now on heavy industry flattish, which is a little bit better than flat to down, but need to see more evidence of order improvement to get constructive?
I think that's fair. I mean, I think Blake mentioned earlier, we're hearing some better things about potential investment in heavy industry, but we're not seeing it translate into orders yet.
Okay. And then just a quick one, Ted, on free cash flow, there's a plus sign in that 100% now. Seasonally speaking, you did pretty well this quarter on conversion. Anything puts and takes wise we should think about for the balance of the year as we try to model this out?
No, I mean the only thing I would remind you of is, because there was no incentive compensation earned last year, there was no payout this year, either in the Q1 or in the balance of the year. And so that's going to contribute somewhat to a better conversion on the year. That's probably the most important thing.
Okay, great. And then just a quick follow-up on auto and consumer, are you still thinking mid singles for the year growth growth?
Yes, I would say maybe now it's mid to high single.
Okay. Thank you.
Your next question comes from Robert McCarthy from Stifel. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Yes. I'll echo all the comments, Ted and Patrick, and I'd also remind you the importance of compares. And remember, Patrick, you have a very tough compare. And Ted, I think you had a very interesting compare. So in any event, congratulations.
All right. Moving over from the ridiculous to the sublime. Clearly, you talked about the budget flush and the reacceleration in underlying growth, the pace of business. This has been kind of talked about with several other analysts on this call. But could you just comment across the board how you're feeling about the front log?
And are you seeing a change in the pace of business? You talked about the budget flush, but could you talk about anything about January trends, anything about just kind of the current state of what you're seeing? And are you seeing a change in the underlying psychology and association with business with the change in administrations?
I think it's fair to say that there's a general optimism. But front log is flat, and it's still early in the year. Our backlog overall is up a little bit, and so these are positive signs. Importantly, we're releasing new products, and that has an impact as well. But it's still early to call this a different trajectory in terms of the outlying months.
Okay. And then, obviously, I think John asked a series of entry questions and he may have covered this. But what I would ask is maybe just talk about the prospect for cash repatriation, the uses of cash, the M and A environment, how you're looking at that, that kind of old chestnut?
Yes. So it's, I think we are encouraged by some of the things that are being talked about around U. S. Corporate tax reform and the House proposal that's been put out there, we think addresses a number of important issues that currently create a disadvantage for U. S.-based companies, a lower corporate tax rate, a territorial tax system, the potential to repatriate foreign earnings.
We view all of those as positive for Rockwell, for U. S. Manufacturers and for U. S. Economic growth generally.
Specifically as it relates to repatriation, what we would repatriate ultimately would depend on the rates, the tax rates that would apply to that and any conditions that might apply to the repatriation. But we probably currently have about $2,000,000,000 that could be repatriated at some point. Those funds if repatriated could be used for investments in organic growth. They could use be used for acquisitions, especially U. S.
Based companies. It could be used for retirement of debt, for better funding of our pension plans or to return to share owners through dividend or repurchases. And once we get a clearer view on what the conditions might be, we'll be prepared to talk in a little more detail about specifically how we would use it.
Just one follow-up on the M and A question. Do you think it's a better environment now M and A just given the standpoint of perhaps optimism and of reacceleration in the underlying cycle and maybe the ability to stomach some valuations in that context? I mean, do you think there's been a change in the psychology around M and A for you at all?
We haven't passed on attractive acquisitions in the past for lack of U. S. Cash. We continue to look at acquisitions as opportunities to accelerate what we're doing in terms of technology or domain expertise or market access. And we're pleased with the results of our recent acquisitions.
We've talked more about the need to be present in M and A to accelerate our strategy. So I don't really see it as a significant accelerator to the amount of M and A that we would otherwise do.
Thanks for your time.
Your next question comes from Julian Mitchell from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Hi. This is Lee Sandquist on for Julian Mitchell. As a follow-up for the M and A question, can you just talk about the M and A pipeline right now and touch on any specific end markets or geographic regions that look particularly attractive right now?
I think if you were to look at where the concentration of our activity is, it's really in that the new value that comes from information solutions and connected services. So in the network space, in the software space that sits up above the real time control, those are the areas where we're probably relatively active. And it's spread across the world. It's not constrained to any one geography.
Understood. And could you just quantify the impact of incentive comp on CP and S margins for the quarter, please? It was approximately 1 point. Great. Thank you very much for your time.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from Joe Ritchie from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Thanks. Good morning, everyone, and congratulations, Ted and Patrick. My first question is really on pricing. You guys have done a great job of continuing to get price through this malaise that we've been in the last couple of years. Just wondering if we do see this CapEx acceleration, is there an opportunity for you to get greater than a point in price or how does that how do you guys foresee that?
So Joe, I mean, I think what's reflected in our current guidance is what we talked about in November, which we think for the full year price will be a little less than a point and similar to what it was last year. If the economy heats up, who knows, I mean maybe pricing could be a little better.
Okay. And I guess maybe I guess along those lines, if things were to heat up and just along the lines of your guidance in the higher end of that range of getting to 5% growth, what would have to happen for us to get to the higher end of the range? And then then if we do get towards the higher end of the range, I mean, what kind of incrementals would you expect to see across the business? Because historically, they've been a lot higher than your gross margins.
So an answer to the first question, which is about the top line, I mean, maybe the way to think about the higher end of the range is, clearly, we had a better organic growth result in Q2 than we were expecting coming into the year. But basically, we have not changed our balance of the year guidance. So, if Q2 is truly kind of a new baseline and we should expect the same sequential growth we were originally expecting in the November guidance, that's a way to think about how we could get to the higher end of the range on the in our November guidance. And that's despite the headwinds we talked about in November around incentive compensation and pension in particular. So there will be some better conversion at the higher end than we would see at the low end or midpoint.
Okay, fair enough. Maybe if I could sneak one more in there, going back to the question we had, on the repatriation. I guess, Ted, when you think about bringing cash back, I mean, I feel like today companies are facing a little bit of a conundrum in that valuations are really high an M and A perspective. Stocks are hitting all time highs. How do you think about the allocation of capital if you are able to bring back overseas cash?
And then specifically, do you need to invest internally if we do accelerate from a CapEx standpoint?
Well, one of the things we have always talked about is, we're not all that capital intensive as it relates to growth. So with immediate deductibility of CapEx, is it possible we might spend more than we originally planned? I think that's possible, but I don't think that's a very big number, particularly compared to the amount of earnings we've got sitting overseas.
Yes, the bigger impact would be the increased sales for our more capital intensive customers.
Your next question comes from Andrew Kaplowitz from Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Good morning, guys. Ken and Patrick, congratulations. Thank you. You're welcome. Solution and Services, they were down 14% last quarter.
I think you said down 1% this quarter. And you had mentioned previously that the business may stay negative in the first half of twenty seventeen. But based on what you're seeing, you mentioned the strong bookings in the quarter. Is any of the improvement there, timing? And can it be up now sequentially going forward in that business?
Well, I mean, I would love to think that we're going to start to see some improvement in heavy industry as we proceed through the year. But that isn't we haven't seen that yet and it's not reflected in the guidance. I mean, I think our solutions and services business right now, we believe will be about flat year over year. And any improvement that does start to occur in heavy industry for a significant part of that business, we really need to see it in Q2 or maybe early Q3 in order for that to have an impact on shipments in the year.
Okay. Thanks And then Blake, Ted, you mentioned that you had a slow start in EMEA this year as expected. But last quarter, you had talked about strong orders in the region. I think it was mid single digits. It didn't seem like last quarter's orders translated, but you did talk about improving from here.
So did you see any actual weakening in any part of EMEA? And specifically the Middle East, how is that region doing?
So for EMEA overall, the orders were actually up. They were up year over year and sequentially. And we do expect the results for the full year to be growth in EMEA.
I think the Q1 performance in EMEA was just more about timing of when projects hit, principally in the Solutions and Services businesses.
Okay. Thanks, guys.
Operator, we will take one more question.
Our final question today comes from Eli Lusgaarden from Longbow Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Thank you. Good morning and thanks for taking the questions. And my congratulations to both of you.
Thank you.
Just a good clarification, the orders that were the shipments that were brought forth in the Q1, put a little clarification to both, was it all A and S and was it added to the 2nd quarter or was it spread out over the year?
So I would say it was primarily advances from the Q2 and it was not all A and S, it was kind of a combination of A and S and CP and S.
Okay. And so we understand the weakness in margins that we saw in the Control Solutions business, But A and S had a very strong margin. I suspect that with some brought forth that those margins are not expected to be sustained at that level and expect it to come off a little bit.
That's correct. That's correct. We do not expect A and S margins at 30% for the balance of the year. You ought to expect lower margins for A and S in the balance of the year.
Yes. And one final question, one of
the things we heard from
a lot of companies, you saw the Trump bump, I guess, is what it's more referred to than flushing, I guess, these days. But we're hearing from a lot of companies, particularly in the heavy industries, of almost a wait and see for spending. They talk a lot, but a wait and see for spending to see what policies really come because not much can change in the first half
of the year. Are you hearing any of
that from your customers that there's a lot of talk, but really more excited about 2018 spending and 2017 spending at this point?
Yes. I have not heard specifically that people are waiting to 2018, but I do believe that as we are before we make specific changes in any plans, we want to see what actual changes to various elements of the tax code or other incentives might be. So I think that is a fair characterization.
Eli, maybe a little bit different approach to the answer. And this is not intended in any way to be a political commentary. But I don't think we're hearing anything from investors that would cause us to believe that what we saw as the acceleration in the Q1 is related to upcoming potential tax changes.
All right. Thank you very much and congratulations both of you.
Thank you, Eli. Thank you. That concludes today's call. Thank you for joining us.
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