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Earnings Call: Q2 2015

Apr 30, 2015

Operator

Thank you for holding, and welcome to Rockwell Automation's quarterly conference call. I need to remind everyone that today's conference call is being recorded. Later in the call, we will open lines up for questions. If you have a question at that time, please press star one. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Rondi Rohr-Dralle , Vice President of Investor Relations. Ms. Rohr-Dralle, please go ahead.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Great. Thanks, Mark. Good morning. Thank you for joining us for Rockwell Automation's second fiscal 2015 quarter earnings release conference call. With me today are Keith Nosbusch, our Chairman and CEO, and Ted Crandall, our Chief Financial Officer. Our agenda includes opening remarks by Keith that include highlights on the company's performance in the second quarter and the first half, and some context around our updated outlook for fiscal 2015. Ted will provide more details on the results, as well as our sales and adjusted earnings per share guidance. As always, we'll take questions at the end of Ted's remarks, and we expect the call to take about an hour today. Our results were released this morning, and the press release and charts have been posted to our website at www.rockwellautomation.com. Please note that both the press release and charts include reconciliations to non-GAAP measures.

A webcast of this call is accessible at that website and will be available for replay for the next 30 days. Before we get started, I need to remind you that our comments will include statements related to the expected future results of our company and are therefore forward-looking statements. Our actual results may differ materially from our forecasted projections due to a wide range of risks and uncertainties that are described in our earnings release and detailed in all of our SEC filings. With that, I'll hand the call over to Keith.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Thanks, Rondi. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us on the call today. Before I get started, I just wanted to say a few words about the announcement that we sent out a couple of weeks ago about Rondi's retirement plans. This will be her last earnings call, and I want to thank her for the outstanding job she has done over her career. Her leadership and contributions, most recently in the investor relations role, has been tremendous. I valued her counsel, insight, and positive can-do attitude. She was a pleasure to work with, a true professional, and a great person. She helped us become a better company. She'll be around for a while yet, and I can assure you that you will all be in good hands as Patrick Goris assumes responsibility for investor relations starting in July.

Let me start with some highlights for the quarter and first half, please turn to page three in the slide deck. Earnings growth in the quarter was robust despite a decline in sales due to a large currency headwind. Organic sales growth was a solid 2.7%, led by Architecture & Software and were up 6% in the quarter, driven by our mid-range portfolio. Our process business grew 2% in the quarter, which is good results given underlying market conditions. Margin expanded 270 basis points in the quarter, which contributed to a strong adjusted EPS growth of 18%. Free cash flow was also very good in the quarter. Ted will elaborate more on Q2 performance in his remarks. For the first half, organic growth was about 2.5%, very close to our expectations coming into the year. The standout region was Latin America, with double-digit organic growth.

Although Mexico led the growth, it was broad-based across the region. Segment operating margin expanded more than two points in the first half, with particularly strong performance in Control Products & Solutions, and adjusted EPS was up 15%. Excellent earnings performance in this market environment. Let's move on to what we're seeing in economic indicators and market conditions. Global GDP and industrial production growth forecasts have softened since January. For the U.S., industrial production growth has moderated for the past several months, with oil and gas weighing on overall economic growth, and incremental consumer spending has not yet filled the gap. Automotive remains strong and consumer industries are still solid. For the second half, we expect market conditions to be similar to the first half, with further declines in oil and gas and improvement in other verticals, including auto, chemicals, and some other heavy industries.

EMEA's economic indicators have improved slightly, and we expect growth to be a little better in the second half, with improvement in home and personal care, life sciences, and increased project activity in metals and water wastewater. In Asia, India continues to recover, and we're seeing good growth there. China remains slow, which is consistent with the PMI continuing to hover around 50. For both China and the region, we expect low single-digit growth for the second half and full year. Market conditions in Latin America are mixed. Mexico remains healthy, but Brazil and Argentina are in a recession, and Venezuela remains very challenging. With all of that said, let's move on to our updated guidance for fiscal 2015. Overall, while not a lot has changed from a quarter ago, we are somewhat more cautious about the rest of the year. Some industrial economic indicators have weakened.

Oil and gas customers have cut CapEx more quickly than we anticipated, and we would've liked a stronger book-to-bill in Q2. Based on our current assessment of backlog and frontlog, we continue to expect higher growth rates in the second half, primarily in our solutions and services businesses. They just won't be quite as strong as we thought a quarter ago. For our full-year guidance, we're lowering our organic sales growth by one point and taking off an additional 1.5 points due to a larger currency headwind. We now expect fiscal 2015 reported sales of about $6.4 billion. In spite of the top-line reduction, our expectation for a higher full-year margin enables us to maintain an adjusted EPS guidance range of $6.50 to $6.80. Ted will provide more detail around sales and earnings guidance in his remarks. I just have a few closing comments.

While I wish we were seeing stronger market growth, I like our competitive position. Revenue diversification and agility are helping us pursue the best growth opportunities. Our strong productivity culture enables us to invest in innovation and organic growth. We've demonstrated that even in a lower growth environment, we can still grow earnings and deliver great value to shareholders. Before I turn it over to Ted, let me take a moment to mention something that I'm very proud of. We recently received the Ethisphere Award for the seventh time, naming us one of the world's most ethical companies. This recognition reflects our employees' and partners' commitment to integrity, responsibility, and accountability, all essential qualities of a successful and sustainable company. Ted, I'll turn it over to you.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

Thanks, Keith. Good morning, everybody. I'll start on page four, second quarter key financial information. Sales in the quarter were $1,551,000,000, 3.1% lower than Q2 last year. Organic sales growth was 2.7%, but currency translation reduced sales in the quarter by six points. Sales were down about 1.5% sequentially. Sequential organic growth was about 2%, pretty typical in terms of the historic pattern, but currency translation reduced sales by over three points sequentially. Segment operating margin continued to be very strong at 21.6%, up 270 basis points from Q2 last year, despite the sales decline. The year-over-year margin increase was primarily due to the higher organic sales, strong productivity, and favorable mix, partly offset by some increased spending. I'll note that Q2 last year is our easiest quarterly margin comparison.

General corporate net was $21 million in Q2, up about $2 million compared to a year ago, still in line with our expectations for the full year. Adjusted EPS were $1.59, up $0.24 or 18% compared to the second quarter of last year. The adjusted effective tax rate in the quarter was 26% compared to 27.9% in Q2 last year. Last year's rate included some unfavorable prior period adjustments. Free cash flow for Q2 was $269 million, another strong result. Free cash flow conversion on adjusted income was 125% in Q2. Our trailing four-quarter return on invested capital was 32%. A couple of items not shown here. Average diluted shares outstanding in the quarter were 136 million, down about 3% compared to last year. Also, during the second quarter, we repurchased 1.14 million shares of its common stock at a cost of $127.1 million .

In November, we talked about a full-year repurchase target of $470 million. We're running about 25% ahead of that pace through March. Similar to last year, it's likely that we'll spend above the target for the full year. At the end of the quarter, there was $757 million remaining under our share repurchase authorization. The next two slides present the sales and operating margin performance of each segment, both for the second quarter and year to date. I'll start with the Architecture & Software segment on page five, and I'll focus my comments on the second quarter results. On the left side of the chart, Architecture & Software segment sales were $674 million in Q2, down 1.8% compared to Q2 last year. Organic growth was 4.8%. We continued to see very attractive growth rates in this segment, driven primarily by our Logix platform.

Currency translation reduced sales in the quarter by almost 7 points on a year-over-year basis. Moving to the right side of the chart, on the 4.8% organic growth, A&S margins were 29.8%, up 210 basis points compared to Q2 last year, with the improved margin primarily due to higher organic sales and another good productivity quarter. Spending in this segment was up modestly year-to-date through March. We expect spending to increase in the second half. Turning to page 6, this is the Control Products & Solutions segment. In the second quarter, Control Products & Solutions segment sales were down 4.1% year-over-year, with organic growth of about 1.2%. Currency translation reduced sales by about 5.5 points. Organic growth for product businesses in the segment was 5%, equally strong to the growth rates seen in Architecture & Software.

We continued to experience weakness in the solutions and services businesses, with organic sales down about 2%. The book-to-bill in Q2 for solutions and services was 1.06. This was lower than we expected, and consequently, we will be reducing our growth expectation for solutions and services in the second half compared to the prior guidance. The order shortfall in solutions and services was primarily in heavy industry, with about half of that coming in oil and gas. CP&S continued to deliver strong operating margins, 15.2% in Q2, up 300 basis points compared to last year. The year-over-year margin improvement was due to the organic sales growth, continued favorable mix as our product businesses are outgrowing solutions and services, and particularly strong productivity performance in this segment.

Moving to the next slide, page 7 provides a geographic breakdown of our sales and shows organic growth results for the quarter and the first half. I'll focus my comments on the second quarter. The organic sales growth was driven largely by the Americas, with Latin America continuing to experience the highest percentage growth rate. The U.S. was up 3.5%. Growth in automotive and consumer industries more than offset declines in oil and gas. Canada was down 11% compared to Q2 last year. As we discussed last quarter, that was not unexpected. Canada is down 1.7% year-to-date, and we're expecting to be down about mid-single digits for the full year. Canada has a disproportionate exposure to oil and gas, and declines there are more than offsetting attractive growth rates in transportation and consumer industries.

In Q2 in Latin America, Brazil was about flat year-over-year, but otherwise, growth was pretty broad-based across the balance of the region, with Mexico up 18%. Latin America was the only region to experience year-over-year growth in oil and gas in Q2. EMEA was up 1.2% organically. We saw growth in both mature and emerging EMEA, with a little higher growth in emerging EMEA this quarter. Asia Pacific was up 3.2%, driven primarily by India and China. India was up 16% off of a relatively easy comparison, and China was up 6%. As a final note on this slide, overall, emerging market organic growth in Q2 was up over 8%. Please turn to the next page, which is our updated FY 2015 guidance. As Keith mentioned, we're reducing our full-year sales guidance but holding the prior EPS range.

Across the guidance range, we're reducing sales by about 2.5%. Approximately 1.5 points of that decline is due to currency translation. In our prior guidance, we expected currency translation to reduce full-year sales by 4.5%. We now expect currency translation to reduce full-year sales by 6% and to reduce full-year EPS by about $0.40. We're also reducing sales guidance by one point to reflect lower organic growth. The lower organic growth is due in part to lower-than-expected orders in Q2, primarily in our solutions and services businesses. Also, we're now seeing an earlier drop in oil and gas spending than we previously expected. These first two factors are related to some extent. The last factor, we are continuing to see declines in the forecasts for industrial production growth rates. Our previous guidance called for reported sales of approximately $6.6 billion at the midpoint.

We now think the midpoint will be a little over $6.4 billion. The previous guidance called for organic growth of 2.5%-5.5%. The new guidance is for organic growth of 1.5%-4.5%. At the midpoint of sales guidance, we expect year-over-year organic growth rates in our product businesses to be about the same in the second half as the first half. We expect higher second half growth rates in the solutions and services businesses. That's consistent with our backlog and our frontlog at the end of March. We also expect to see a typically large fourth quarter for sales in our solutions and services businesses. Despite the lower sales, we're maintaining the previous EPS guidance range of $6.50-$6.80. We now expect higher margin to offset the earnings impact of reduced sales.

The margin improvement compared to prior guidance is based on stronger Q2 margins, a continuation of the strong productivity into the second half, and a more favorable earnings conversion on currency translation than we previously expected. We now expect operating margins for the full year to be a little over 21.5%.

This margin guidance incorporates an increase in spending in the second half compared to the first half. We continue to expect an adjusted effective tax rate for the full year of 26.5%. Given our strong cash generation through the first six months, we now expect conversion on adjusted income to be above 100% for the full year. There are a few other items not shown here that I think generally are of interest. We continue to expect general corporate net expense to be approximately $80 million for the full year. We continue to expect average diluted shares outstanding to be about 136 million for the full year. Finally, we expect process sales growth for the full year to be at about the company average. With that, I'll turn it back over to Rondi.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Okay, great. Thanks, Ted. Before we start the Q&A, I just ask that you limit yourself to one question and a follow-up so we can get to as many callers as possible. Mark, we'll go ahead and take our first question.

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Shannon O'Callaghan from UBS. Please proceed.

Shannon O'Callaghan
Analyst, UBS

Hey, everyone.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Good morning.

Shannon O'Callaghan
Analyst, UBS

Congratulations, Rondi. Thanks for all the help. Appreciate it. Hope you enjoy it.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Thanks, Shannon. Sure.

Shannon O'Callaghan
Analyst, UBS

Hey, Keith, on the consumer industries, could you maybe walk us through a little bit, food and beverage, home and personal life sciences, what you're seeing in those different markets, then also maybe kind of the nature of the investment you're seeing? You mentioned that Logix was strong in mid-range. I'm just wondering sort of the types of activity you're seeing.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Yes. Well, if we look at the consumer verticals, certainly, food and beverage, we see that growing in line with the company average in the quarter. We continue to see investment, particularly in Asia Pacific and Latin America, where there is ongoing strength with both multinationals and indigenous food companies. We're also seeing, in particular in Asia and China in particular, the continued need for safety and the risk management of having quality food and quality production processes, and that's driving some of the investment there. In the home and personal care, we're seeing continued investment in innovation in their products, many of the companies are expanding their SKUs, and therefore, need new and more flexible machinery to do that. We expect that to continue as we go forward in the second half of the year.

As I mentioned, we think home and personal care will be an area that is above the company average growth. In life sciences, we did see growth in all geographies, including EMEA, and this is a pick-up from what's been the previous couple of quarters. That's a quick picture of what we're seeing in some of the major areas. A good quarter and basically, a good outlook for the remainder of our fiscal year.

Shannon O'Callaghan
Analyst, UBS

Thanks. Just on process, the up two, like you said, pretty good in this environment. Can you just maybe frame for us a little bit how you're approaching the process business right now and thinking about how to grow it in a tougher oil and gas environment? Are there other verticals you're approaching or different approach in terms of product set, et cetera?

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Yeah, the product set is pretty much the same. We've had some new functionality releases in some of our process in both continuous and the batch hybrid space. In general, our product portfolio has been pretty consistent over the last couple of quarters after a major release in our PlantPAx previously. We are looking forward to some new introductions later this year. That'll particularly be in the batch hybrid space, which is an area that we believe we can continue to grow in. As far as the markets themselves, while oil and gas is certainly going to see a decline, we believe that chemical will be stronger for us in the second half and going forward. That's an area that we continue to believe we have some opportunities to grow in.

Even in oil and gas, Ted mentioned that Latin America grew for us in the second quarter. We think there are pockets of investment that are going on, both in emerging markets, where either they're trying to become more energy independent, or they just have a government industry that they want to continue to invest in, whether it be the oil side or the gas side. We see isolated opportunities, even in oil and gas, and in particular, some of the midstream activities that will continue to be invested in. Investments As we talked about in mining, OpEx spending will become more critical in some of these areas, and that spending should continue. We're seeing very isolated, but some pockets of spending in metals. It is very project specific. It is not broad based, and we've been successful in a couple of those.

We also see, once again, isolated, but pockets of spending in pulp and paper, which is an industry that has really been reduced probably over the last decade. They do look at modernization and energy efficiency investments. In North America, we do see modernization going on in some of those locations. That gives you a little feel for where we see the opportunities to have a little bit above average growth to offset some of the oil and gas decline.

Shannon O'Callaghan
Analyst, UBS

That's great. Thanks a lot.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

You're welcome. Thank you, Shannon.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jeremy Capron from CLSA.

Jeremy Capron
Analyst, CLSA

Thanks. Good morning, and congratulations, Rondi, on your retirement.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Thanks, Jeremy.

Jeremy Capron
Analyst, CLSA

I wanted to ask about Latin America. Very impressive growth coming from Mexico. I'm wondering how much of that is driven by the automotive industry, and how long do you think this is going to last?

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Certainly, parts of it has been driven by automotive. There's been investment in automotive from both the U.S. car manufacturers as well as European and Asian. We see that automotive investment continuing over the next couple of years. It's one of the reasons we've identified automotive as one of the areas that is going to grow a little faster for us in the second half. Mexico is where some of these investments are going in. We see Mexico and automotive continuing. When we talk about this, there will be two dimensions to that. One will be the car manufacturers themselves, but secondly, it'll be the tier 1 suppliers to the automotives. Certainly, that's an opportunity for us as well. The investment and the automation intensity is different than an automotive plant, but we also see that as an area.

The other area that we see as an opportunity for us is the fact that some of the opportunities that we'll see in powertrain now with FANUC, and we do know there are some powertrain investments that will be going into Mexico. Independent of what I just talked about with automotive, that's probably not where the greatest growth has been for us. There's still a significant investment going on in oil and gas. Pemex, as you know, has opened up the energy sector for external investments, so we see that as a continued opportunity. Oil and gas is very important to the Mexican economy, and they are also modernizing some of their existing facilities. We see that as a potential. Mining. Mining in Mexico is one of the few areas where investment is taking place.

Also then the growing middle class is pushing for the consumer industries. We see food and beverage and brewing, all of the consumer related industries, home and personal care, as also opportunities for growth. It's really a broad based set of industries that's driving our growth in Mexico, and we have a very good partner network there, a very strong distributor organization that is able to support that growth. We see a continued ability to grow in Mexico in a diverse set of verticals.

Jeremy Capron
Analyst, CLSA

Thanks, Keith. Ted, I wanted to ask about the margins. Again, strong margin performance this quarter, despite the decline in reported revenue. You talked about increasing spending in the second half. I'm wondering if you could give us a little more color around that and if you expect the incremental margins to remain at this elevated level for the remainder of the year.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

First, I think spending has probably started off a little slower for us in the first half of this year than we expected in terms of a ramp up. We're up about 2% year-over-year in spending in the first half. We expect to be up more like 4% year-over-year in spending in the second half. As it relates to incremental margins, I do not expect incremental margins in the second half to be as strong as what you saw in the first half, but I expect absolute margins in the second half to be about equal to the first half.

Jeremy Capron
Analyst, CLSA

Thanks very much.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Thank you, Jeremy.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steve Tusa from JP Morgan. Please proceed.

Steve Tusa
Analyst, JP Morgan

Hey, good morning.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Good morning, Steve.

Steve Tusa
Analyst, JP Morgan

Rondi, congratulations as well. It's been a pleasure working with you.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Thanks, Steve.

Steve Tusa
Analyst, JP Morgan

Just on the Forex. I think you guys had guided to something in the low kind of $0.40 range of Forex impact year-over-year on the last call.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

Last call was $0.38.

Steve Tusa
Analyst, JP Morgan

Okay. It's basically another $0.02 on 1.5% . Has anything changed with regards to the kind of conversion rate of that Forex that you're assuming?

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

Yeah, I think I mentioned that. We think we're now going to have a somewhat more favorable conversion rate for the full year than what we anticipated in the previous guidance.

Steve Tusa
Analyst, JP Morgan

On the foreign exchange?

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

On the foreign exchange, correct.

Steve Tusa
Analyst, JP Morgan

Okay. What's driving that?

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

The conversion rate, difficult things for us to forecast. Over time, it tends to run at about our normal operating earnings margin, but it varies a lot quarter to quarter. Now that we are six months through the year, and we've got the first half behind us, and it was slightly favorable to what we were thinking, our best estimates now for the second half say that likely continues.

Steve Tusa
Analyst, JP Morgan

As far as the core incremental margin, clearly you guys are putting up some very good numbers. How do we think about 30%-40% going forward? Is that something you're managing to? I know all these numbers are kind of an output, obviously. You're just on the ground doing business. How do we think about what's going on structurally?

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

We have made some structural changes that have boosted our productivity this year, and I think we're going to run at a somewhat higher level of productivity this year than has been the case the last couple, and that's providing a nice boost to our margins. On a year-over-year basis, I think you're going to see the largest impact of that in the first half because the margin comparisons get a little tougher in the second half. If you looked at our second half expectations and you pulled out the effect of currency, I think what you'd see is a conversion margin that's pretty normal, kind of around 30%. That's kind of a fiscal 2015 answer.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

In the longer term, we still believe that if we're driving reasonable levels of organic growth, and I use that to mean 4%, 5%, 6% organic growth, that we should be able to drive 30%-35% conversion margin. It's always going to depend on mix of growth between our solutions and service business and product business and the rate at which we're ramping spending. It won't be that in any particular period, but over the longer term, we think that's a reasonable expectation.

Steve Tusa
Analyst, JP Morgan

Okay. One last quick one. Just in LatAm, you said oil and gas grew. Was that mostly offshore down there or was there just a flavor of that growth?

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

It's a combination. Matter of fact, the majority of it was probably onshore in the Andean region, so countries like Peru, Colombia, in addition to Mexico. Mexico, it's a mix with a lot of it offshore there. The rest of South America is pretty much onshore.

Steve Tusa
Analyst, JP Morgan

Okay, great. Thanks a lot.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

You bet.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Richard Eastman from Robert W. Baird. Please proceed.

Rich Eastman
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Yeah. Good morning, and Rondi, congrats.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Yeah. Thanks, Rich.

Rich Eastman
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Yeah. Keith, could you maybe just speak for a minute or two? When we look at the modest downtick in core growth that's forecast now for the year, when I look at that regionally, it would appear as though maybe expectations for APAC and also perhaps for Canada, maybe have come in a little bit, so thinking about it regionally. Is that again, I would expect Canada to be oil and gas, but APAC, what would be maybe the reason for that? Is that just kind of China global PMI or?

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

I think, just to characterize it for the year, we believe each region will be down other than Latin America. That would be the way we would characterize it in total.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Versus previous guidance.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Yeah, I'm talking about versus our guidance last quarter.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Yeah.

That's why we took the overall guidance down organically one point.

Rich Eastman
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Okay. Then just one follow-up question here on exports. With the stronger dollar, are you seeing anything on pricing, also competitive pricing there and also, again, is the U.S. dollar just making us less competitive from an export standpoint?

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Well, as always, quite frankly, a stronger dollar makes us less competitive export-wise. When you see the dramatic change against the euro, that is helping the European, particularly OEMs, compete. Then there's also another dynamic going on, and that is China. You look at China now versus the dollar, and the China currency is pretty much pegged to the dollar. With what happened with the euro. We're now seeing that the Chinese OEMs do not have the same advantage against the European euro. So we're seeing some different dynamics going on from a competitiveness standpoint that haven't been seen in a while, in particular because of the magnitude of the euro/dollar change and then the impact on other currencies, particularly where there's strong exporting economies. I think that's part of the reason why you're seeing a little bit of a decline in the China numbers.

China, for us, OEMs have slowed a little, we are seeing some of the impact there. Just to be clear, in the U.S., most of our OEM business is domestic business, not export business. We have not seen a significant impact to our business at this point in time.

Rich Eastman
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Your business, what's good for the European OEMs competitively versus the Chinese, your component sales into those European OEMs, is that business held up? Because that's where our cost disadvantage would be, correct?

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Yes. Far it has. Part of the reason is a lot of the European strength is with exporting OEMs. That's for machinery. A lot of the strength of exporting OEMs is to the U.S. now, and that's into where our strength is and where our capability of supporting those machines and the customer base is the strongest. I think you'll see our ability to continue to grow. It's why CompactLogix is growing at a faster rate than the A&S and Logix average, quite frankly. It's because we continue to be able to work the European exporting OEMs, and that's because it's not a domestic sale, and it's a benefit to Rockwell to have a strong position with the exporting OEMs in Europe.

Rich Eastman
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Okay. Thank you.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

You're welcome. Thank you, Rick.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Nigel Coe from Morgan Stanley. Please proceed.

Nigel Coe
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Oh, thanks. Good morning. Rondi, I hate to sound so repetitive, but congratulations and thanks for the help. It's been a pleasure.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

You bet. Thanks, Nigel.

Nigel Coe
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Just wanted to kind of come back to the FX conversion. Is it because the mix of currencies have changed, i.e., weaker Euro region performance, weaker Canadian performance? Or has there been a change to your hedging policy?

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

I would say, there has been a change in the mix of currency from our prior guidance to this guidance, and that is some of that. We have made no changes in our hedging policy, although the mix in currency, it does have impact on the hedging results related to that. I would say a lot of this is just about, we've got better visibility now about what to expect in the second half, and we've got two quarters under our belt.

Nigel Coe
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. That's clear. Then on the revisions to the full-year core growth outlook, obviously, the second half range is pretty wide, as it normally is. I was a bit surprised you took the low end down to 1.5, which implies some deterioration from the first half run rate. Given that we're seven months into the year now, I'm just wondering what drove that incremental caution at the low end? Perhaps if you could maybe add some color in terms of what you saw in March going into April.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Yeah. I don't think we were trying to send any message with the low end. We focus kind of primarily on the midpoint. We always think of the midpoint as the most likely result. We maintain kind of a symmetric range around that midpoint, so I wouldn't read a lot more into it than that. As it relates to the month of April, I would say, early in the month, it started a little bit slow. It has accelerated through the month, right now, I think it would be fair to characterize that what we have seen is consistent with our guidance.

Nigel Coe
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, great. Just finally, you had the 1.06 book-to-bill on solutions. It's in the zone of where it was last year, 1.1. What sort of book-to-bill were you expecting in your previous plan?

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

Yeah, I would say we were hoping we were going to see something about 5 points higher than that. Maybe like 1.11, 1.12. We missed orders in solutions and services on the order of $40 million.

Nigel Coe
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, great. That's very helpful. Thanks, Keith.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Richard Kwas from Wells Fargo. Please proceed.

Richard Kwas
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Hi. Good morning.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Good morning, Rich.

Richard Kwas
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Just on the solutions and service or CP&S versus A&S, what's the split on oil and gas exposure between the two businesses? I assume that CP&S with solutions exposure there's a fair amount there. What's the split out when we think about segments?

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

When we think about the two segments, we don't have a precise, but we believe A&S is about 30%. Of it, CP&S is about 70% of it. Within CP&S, about 85% of it is solutions and services. In total, it's about 40% products and about 60% solutions and services.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

Rich, what Keith was giving you is kind of the breakdown of our total sales into oil and gas. I think where you were going is, I would agree, we have a lower percentage of sales in oil and gas and Architecture & Software than we have in Control Products & Solutions.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

I think if I do some high-level quick math here, as a percentage of A&S sales, it's less than 10%. As a percentage of CP&S sales, it's going to be 15%-plus.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Okay.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

12% for the total company.

Richard Kwas
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay. That's helpful. With the debt raise and the free cash flow generation, any change in the priority for use of cash?

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

I don't think any significant changes in the priority. As I mentioned, cash flow is running a little stronger this year than we originally projected. We're running ahead of pace on repurchases. I suspect that's going to continue.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Okay, great. Rondi, thanks for everything. Enjoy San Diego.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Thanks, Rich.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Winoker from Bernstein. Please proceed.

Steven Winoker
Analyst, Bernstein

Thanks. Rondi, I'll echo everybody's congrats and thanks as well.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Good.

Steven Winoker
Analyst, Bernstein

Let me just ask for a finer point on the margin questions and the margin detail and sustainability. That FX conversion, could you maybe quantify a little bit more how much that contributed, and were there any transaction benefits as opposed to translation in there?

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

Every period, we've got a combination of translation, transaction, and remeasurement gains and losses running through that currency number.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Hedging.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

The hedging is part of the transaction. In Q2, we saw a very modest margin benefit from currency. Margins were up year-over-year, 270 basis points. The favorable currency effect related to that, we think was about 20 basis points.

Steven Winoker
Analyst, Bernstein

Okay. All right.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

It was not zero, but it wasn't large.

Steven Winoker
Analyst, Bernstein

Okay. That brings me back to pricing, mix, productivity, the other items, and you already mentioned the incremental investments came in, or the year-on-year investments came in lower than you expected. Maybe give us a better sense for what you think was productivity versus pricing mix leverage. Just to help us understand that sustainability question going forward.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

I would say productivity was probably the single largest item in the quarter. Although we did get a favorable kiss from both organic sales growth, we have this favorable mix year-over-year. That was probably about half a point. On the productivity, we've talked about this a little bit in the past. We have a very well-established and ongoing productivity program at the company, and it includes our strategic sourcing efforts, a continuous focus on improved manufacturing and labor utilization, product and process cost reductions, and all of that consistent with implementing Lean and Six Sigma business processes.

Steven Winoker
Analyst, Bernstein

And-

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

In the second half of last year, we stepped up our productivity goals, thinking that we might face more difficult macro conditions this year. We've had success across both segments, driving higher productivity, but with particularly strong productivity improvement in Control Products & Solutions. We talked last quarter about restructuring actions in CP&S in the second half of last year. Those are showing up now as higher margins, particularly in our solutions and services businesses.

Steven Winoker
Analyst, Bernstein

Where do you-

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

like I said, we expect this to be an above average year for productivity improvement.

Steven Winoker
Analyst, Bernstein

Where'd you take R&D?

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

R&D is up year-over-year, I would say the increase right now is relatively modest.

Steven Winoker
Analyst, Bernstein

Okay.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

That is a timing issue. I think you're going to see that will pick up for us in the second half.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Yeah, that's what I was just going to say. That is one of the areas that we've been slower with the ramp-up simply because of availability, and it's going to be part of that 4% growth in the second half that Ted mentioned earlier.

Steven Winoker
Analyst, Bernstein

Okay, great. Just lastly, Keith, maybe talk a little bit more about the competitive dynamics in process. You talked about the currency impact. Further to that, it sounds like your commentary, you think you're gaining share still relative to even if we just compare it to Europeans or others? Or how are you thinking about your kind of share moves progressing?

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Well, we believe we continue to gain share in the process space. Obviously, it's an area that we did not compete with the breadth of our portfolio historically. It's a new area for us. It's been the biggest growth in our served market over the last couple of years. We still see process as one of the better opportunities and areas for us to drive revenue growth. The majority of that, quite frankly, is going to be, we have to take share. We have to be growing above the market growth rates here, and that means we're going to have to take share.

We think the best opportunities for us to take share are in the batch hybrid space. Then in certain applications in the heavy industries that we're focused on in oil and gas, in pulp and paper, in metals, and now chemicals is a better area. We've identified specific applications, specific geographies that we can continue to make inroads with the modern DCS approach that we take with our portfolio. We think we have some competitive differentiation. We think our plant-wide optimization message is critical for helping customers drive cost and global competitiveness and cost efficiencies and productivity.

We have a very targeted approach for where we're looking at it, and there's a large legacy installed base that we also have focused on to be able to update and upgrade because of the fact that those legacy systems are no longer supported or available from the original manufacturer. We have a very broad but yet focused initiative here to drive that growth. We still believe it's an area that while the timetable has stretched out, our goal continues to be to double that business that we had as of 2012.

Steven Winoker
Analyst, Bernstein

Great. Thanks.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Julian Mitchell from Credit Suisse. Please proceed.

Julian Mitchell
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hi. Thanks, thanks again, Rondi, for all the help.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Julian.

Julian Mitchell
Analyst, Credit Suisse

In terms of European demand, I think one of your competitors had sounded pretty good about Europe improving in general in their industry business a few days ago. I think you'd mentioned some of the OEMs obviously getting a boost from the currency. I just wondered underlying sort of fundamentals beyond just some of those export OEMs, are you seeing a genuine increase in the pace of order intake in Europe?

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Yes. We have seen some improvement in the outlook in Europe, in our frontlogs. The major areas that we see the improvements would be in the home and personal care markets. The life sciences markets have been growing there for us as well. Also, if you take very isolated countries or locations, we've seen some growth in metals and some growth in the water wastewater area as well as part of it. That continues to be an area that we see growth opportunities, and consumer is a space that continues to develop and continues to create opportunities for modernization in, I'll say, mature Europe. In emerging Europe, that's where we have seen some of the higher growth opportunities. In fact, emerging Europe grew at a faster rate for us this last quarter than Western Europe.

A couple of good industries, a couple of good countries, and yet a more positive view of the economy there than certainly 6, 12 months ago.

Julian Mitchell
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thanks. Just one last one on the margin outlook. Ted, I think you'd called out mix was around a 50 basis points help to margins in Q2. I think in Q1 it was also a decent driver, particularly in CPS, of the margin. Just wondering your second half kind of outlook on margins, are you assuming mix is flattish or still should be pretty favorable?

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

I think mix will certainly be less favorable than the first half because we'll get that traditional significant jump up in solutions and services sales, particularly in Q4. As we said, we're expecting better growth in solutions and services in the second half. I think we're going to have a little bit of mix headwind, but my expectation is the volume leverage should make up for that.

Julian Mitchell
Analyst, Credit Suisse

That's great. Thank you.

Keith Nosbusch
Chairman and CEO, Rockwell Automation

Thank you, Julian.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Before we go to our last caller, this is Rondi, I just want to make a couple of comments. I am not sure that we got this out, I want to make sure that we are clear about our revised expectations for oil and gas for the full year. We think it could be up to 10% down. That is implied at the midpoint of our guidance. Then if you sort of back engineer second half, that is probably down something like mid-teens. I just want to make sure we get that out. The other thing, I just wanted to say a few words quickly before we go to the last caller.

Since this is the last call that I will be participating in, I will take a little bit of license here, but I just want to say that it is certainly been a privilege to represent such a great company to the investment community. I feel really lucky that Ted asked me to do this job seven years ago. I have often said that I think I have the best job in finance. Now I am going to cry. No. I have learned a ton. I have really enjoyed working with all of you, and I appreciate all the best wishes. With that, I think we will just take the last call.

Operator

Your last question comes from the line of Jeff Sprague from Vertical Research.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst, Vertical Research

Thank you very much. We don't want to make you cry, Rondi, but hopefully we're making you blush a little bit. You've done a great job. You deserve it. Thanks, Jeff. Thank you for taking the last call. Ted, I just wanted to come back, obviously perhaps not obviously, but I think the big surprise for everyone is the margins this quarter. It is very difficult from the outside looking in to get our head around productivity and how to model that. That's always going to be the case for sure. I guess really my question is, you said you're pretty comfortable at 30%-40% incrementals on 4%-6% organic growth. How do we think about what you have left in the productivity tank if we really are kind of stuck at, pick a number, 2% or 3%?

Where do the incrementals want to go in that type of environment?

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

Sure. I think that's a fair. Jeff, I think your question is kind of beyond fiscal 2015.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst, Vertical Research

Yeah, beyond fiscal 2015.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

Yeah.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst, Vertical Research

Correct.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

I think you're absolutely right. Look, if we start to operate in an organic growth mode of 2%-3%, it will be difficult for us to drive incrementals that are in that 30%-35% range. Part of the reason it will be difficult is it will be more difficult to drive higher levels of productivity.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst, Vertical Research

Mm-hmm. Yeah, makes sense. It's interesting, we didn't get many oil and gas questions. Rondi, thanks for jumping on with that.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

That's why we have the notes, Jeff.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst, Vertical Research

Yeah. It's like, wow, this whole debate's over. Let's move on to the next thing. I was interested in what you were actually seeing in OpEx versus CapEx. We've heard from a lot of companies that OpEx is getting slashed very dramatically because it's what people can cut quickly. Are you seeing that type of behavior? A little bit of color on what you can see in the forward CapEx budgets versus the near-term behavior of your customers.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

Yeah. Jeff, I think the first thing I would say is our actual visibility into what exactly is CapEx and OpEx is not great. Okay? The larger declines and the earlier declines we have seen have come more on the solutions and services part of our business than in the product part of our business, which I think would cause us to conclude that so far it has been more about CapEx and not as much about OpEx.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst, Vertical Research

Hmm. That's very interesting. Just finally on this FX question. Really, your guide now at $0.40 puts your FX conversion margin at your average margin, roughly speaking, right? You were

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

That's correct.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst, Vertical Research

You were anticipating it to be Right. You thought it was going to be worse than typical, and we've ended up with a typical result.

Theodore Crandall
CFO, Rockwell Automation

That's correct. Frankly, our guidance last quarter was somewhat colored by a less favorable result in Q1.

Jeff Sprague
Analyst, Vertical Research

Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

Rondi Rohr-Dralle
VP of Investor Relations, Rockwell Automation

Okay, Mark, I think you can go ahead and conclude the call.

Operator

That concludes today's conference. At this time, you may disconnect.