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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

May 4, 2022

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Sachem Capital First Quarter 2022 conference call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode, and we will open up the floor for questions and comments after the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, David Waldman, Investor Relations. Sir, the floor is yours.

David Waldman
Investor Relations, Sachem Capital Corp.

Good morning, and thank you for joining Sachem Capital Corp's first quarter 2022 conference call. On the call with us today is John Villano, CPA, Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer of Sachem Capital. Yesterday, the company announced its operating results for the first quarter ending March 31st, 2022, and its financial condition as of that date. Press release is posted on the company's website. In addition, the company filed its quarter-end form, Form 10-Q with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, yesterday, May 3rd, 2022, which can also be accessed on the company's website as well as the SEC's website at www.sec.gov.

If you have any questions after the call or would like any additional information about the company, please contact Crescendo Communications at 212-671-1021. Before Mr. Villano reviews the company's operating results for the first quarter of 2022 and the company's financial condition at March 31st, 2022, we'd like to remind everyone that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements. All statements other than statements of historical fact contained in this conference call, including statements regarding our future results of operations and financial position, strategy and plans, and our expectations for future operations are forward-looking statements. The words anticipate, estimate, expect, project, plan, seek, intend, believe, may, might, will, should, could, likely, continue, design, and the negative such terms and other words and terms of similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements.

These forward-looking statements are based largely on the company's current expectations and projections about future events and trends that it believes may affect its financial condition, results of operations, strategy, short-term and long-term business operations and objectives and financial needs. These forward-looking statements are subject to several risks, uncertainties and assumptions as described in the company's 10-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on March 31, 2022. Because of these risks, uncertainties and assumptions, the forward-looking statements, events, circumstances discussed in this conference call may not occur, and actual results could differ materially and adversely from those anticipated or implied in the forward-looking statements. You should not rely upon forward-looking statements as predictions of future events. Although the company believes that the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are reasonable, it cannot guarantee future results, level of activity, performance or achievements.

In addition, neither the company nor any other person assumes responsibility for the accuracy and completeness of any of these forward-looking statements. Company disclaims any duty to update any of these forward-looking statements. All forward-looking statements attributable to the company are expressly qualified in their entirety by these cautionary statements as well as others made in this conference call. You should evaluate all the forward-looking statements made by the company in the context of these risks and uncertainties. With that, I'll now turn the call over to John Villano. Please go ahead, John.

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

Thank you. Thanks to everyone for joining us today. I am very pleased to report your company achieved record revenue of $10.3 million, an increase of more than 80%, and net income attributable to common shareholders of $3.4 million, or $0.10 per share for the first quarter of 2022. It's important to note that we recorded an unrealized or non-cash loss on securities available for sale. I'll talk more about this accounting adjustment in a moment, but excluding this non-cash charge, adjusted earnings would have been $4.5 million or approximately $0.13 per share. We believe these results illustrate our continued execution and strong demand for our loan products. As we've discussed in the past, we are diversifying our loan portfolio both geographically and within new asset classes.

We are now seeing the results of these initiatives, all while maintaining disciplined underwriting and a conservative loan-to-value ratio. During the quarter, we funded approximately $88.7 million of mortgage loans, including loan modifications and construction draws. As discussed on our past calls, we have expanded our lending operations across the U.S. and now have a presence in 14 states with a strong core focus along the Eastern Seaboard. We will continue to expand our geographic footprint to include high-growth, pro-business and taxpayer-friendly MSAs. During the first quarter, we completed another public offering of unsecured notes to support our growing loan pipeline. The gross proceeds of $50 million will provide us with additional non-dilutive capital to accelerate our lending activities without compromising our main goal, which is to provide our shareholders with attractive risk-adjusted returns. Looking ahead, our loan pipeline is expanding and quite robust.

Further, we are well capitalized with a solid balance sheet to take advantage of opportunities in the market. Now armed with software enhancements to support our underwriting, loan analysis and review procedures, we expect continued growth in loan fundings and overall portfolio growth. Despite the current volatility in the market and the fact that the Federal Reserve Board has started to raise interest rates, as discussed in our last call, we remain encouraged by the outlook for our business. There continues to be significant market opportunities for a well-capitalized hard money lender to originate attractively priced loans to small and mid-scale real estate developers with good collateral and strong operating history. Speed and timeliness of closing continues to be a high priority with our borrowers. We seek to mitigate some of the potential risk associated with rising rates by limiting the term of new loans to one year.

As of March 31, 2022, greater than half of the loans in our portfolio have a term of one year or less. Further, rising interest rates have eliminated the rate compression discussed on prior calls. If at the end of the loan term a loan is not in default and meets our other underwriting criteria, we will consider an extension or renewal at our prevailing rates, thereby generating additional lending fees and continued interest income. I would now like to touch on some key financial highlights, then talk more about our strategy going forward. If you need any additional insight into the financial details, please review our recently filed 10-Q and press release.

First, total revenue for the three months ended March 31, 2022 was approximately $10.3 million, compared to approximately $5.7 million for the three months ended March 31, 2021. An increase of approximately $4.6 million or 80.3%. The increase in revenue is primarily attributable to an increase in our mortgage portfolio and expanded lending operations. For the first quarter, interest income was approximately $8.5 million, compared to approximately $4.5 million for the same period last year, representing an increase of approximately $4 million or 87.8%. Origination fees were approximately $1.6 million compared to approximately $517 thousand for the same period last year, representing an increase of approximately $1.1 million or 216.5%.

Other income and fee income, including late fees and processing fees, all of which relate to our lending operations, were approximately $805,000 for the first quarter of 2022, compared to approximately $529,000 for the 2021 period, an increase of approximately $276,000 or 52.2%. Income unrelated to our lending operations, including investment income from partnership investments, and net rental income for the 2022 period was approximately $554,000 compared to $264,000 for the comparable 2021 period. On the other hand, loss on sale of investment securities and unrealized losses on securities available for sale for the 2022 period were approximately $1.2 million, which I'll discuss in detail shortly.

In 2021, loss on sale of investment securities was approximately $129,000, and the company reported neither unrealized losses or unrealized gains on securities available for sale. Total operating costs and expenses for the three months ended March 31, 2022 were approximately $5.9 million, compared to approximately $3.5 million for the three months ended March 31, 2021. This represents an increase of approximately 68.6%. The increase in operating costs and expenses is primarily attributable to the increase in our unsecured indebtedness, specifically our unsecured, unsubordinated five-year notes, which help finance the growth of our loan portfolio.

For the three months ended March 31, 2022, interest and amortization of deferred financing costs was approximately $3.9 million compared to approximately $2.5 million for the same period last year, an increase of $1.4 million or 58.2%. The balance of the increase in operating expenses was primarily attributable to, first, an impairment loss which increased approximately $236,000. Second, compensation, fees and taxes which increased approximately $402,000. Finally, general and administrative expenses which increased approximately $242,000. For the quarter ended March 31, 2022, we reported an unrealized gain on investment securities of approximately $243,000, reflecting the decrease in prior unrealized losses since December 31, 2021.

For the same period last year, we reported an unrealized loss on investment securities of approximately $7,500, reflecting the decrease in the market value of such securities from December 31, 2020. Net income attributable to common shareholders for the three months ended March 31, 2022 was approximately $3.4 million or $0.10 per share, compared to approximately $2.2 million or $0.10 per share for the three months ended March 31, 2021. Let me now take a moment to explain the unrealized losses on securities available for sale of approximately $1.1 million in the first quarter of 2022. The unrealized losses on securities available for sale reflects just a 1.4% decline in the market value of the company's short-term investments.

Contrast that with the Barclays Aggregate Bond Index, which was down 5.4% from the beginning of the year through March 31st. Quite simply, rising interest rates reduced the values of our note and bond portfolio as investors looked for greater yields on term investments. While the majority of the company's portfolio is structured to mature with term debt securities and ETFs linked to finite maturities, we utilized ASU 2016 for valuation of these investments, in effect, a mark to market value in the event we decide to liquidate some or all of the investments prior to maturity. That said, if we decide to hold these investments through maturity, we will recognize the full value of the investment and would reverse the charge back into income.

Based on the valuation of our securities available for sale and the associated non-cash charge, we felt it prudent to provide investors with an adjusted earnings figure this quarter. I would encourage investors to carefully review the reconciliation to GAAP and description included in our earnings press release. After excluding this unrealized loss, adjusted earnings for the three months ended March 31, 2022 was approximately $4.5 million or $0.13 per share, compared to approximately $2.2 million or $0.10 per share for the three months ended March 31, 2021, an increase in earnings per share of 30%. We believe our adjusted earnings provide a better representation of our core earnings and operating performance. Quite simply, without this unrealized loss, your company achieved record revenues and earnings for the quarter ended March 31, 2022.

Overall, we believe our strong financial performance is further evidence of our strong competitive position in the market, as well as the sustainability and scalability of our business model. Even though our outlook for next year remains positive, we recognize there are still ongoing market risks to consider. As you have seen, we can quickly adapt our strategy as market conditions change. In terms of Sachem's financial condition as of March 31, 2022 compared to December 31, 2021, total assets at March 31, 2022 were approximately $482 million, compared to approximately $418 million at December 31, 2021, an increase of approximately $63.8 million or 15.3%.

The increase was due primarily to the increase in our mortgage loan portfolio of approximately $61.3 million, an increase in investments in partnerships of approximately $11.4 million, offset in part by a decrease in cash equivalents and investment securities of approximately $9.2 million. Total liabilities at March 31, 2022 were approximately $282.4 million, compared to approximately $237.9 million at December 31, 2021, an increase of approximately $44.5 million or approximately 18.7%.

This increase is principally due to an increase in the Churchill repurchase facility of approximately $7.9 million and the notes payable, net of deferred financing costs of approximately $48.5 million, offset by decreases in our accrued dividends payable of approximately $3.9 million and the reduction in our margin line of credit of approximately $9.9 million. Total shareholders' equity at March 31, 2022 was approximately $199.4 million, compared to approximately $180.1 million at December 31, 2021, an increase of approximately $19.3 million. The increase was due primarily to net proceeds of $15.5 million from the sale of common shares through our ATM and our net income of approximately $3.5 million.

To clarify our ATM activity, all sales of stock through our ATM during the first quarter of 2022 were well in excess of book value. As you can see, our balance sheet remains solid with over $481.8 million of assets backing $209.1 million of note principal. As a mortgage REIT, our debt levels are extraordinarily low compared to our peers, thereby providing stability during difficult times. As of March thirty-first, 2022, of the 520 mortgage loans in our portfolio, just 20 or approximately 3.8% were in the process of foreclosure or actively managed with the goal of unlocking our invested capital in a timely manner.

In the case of each of these loans, we believe the value of the collateral exceeds the total amount due. Further, a troubled or distressed loan rarely loses 100% of its value, and usually over the term of the loan when interest income, origination, and other fees are considered, the overall transaction is profitable to the company. Real estate owned decreased to $6.3 million compared to $8.6 million at the same time last year. As of March 31, 2022, real estate owned included $800,000 of real estate held for rental and $5.5 million of real estate held for sale. The favorable reduction is partly attributable to new asset liquidation initiatives that will further support a continued reduction in real estate carrying costs.

Net cash provided by operating activities for the three months ended March 31, 2022 was approximately $7.8 million, compared to approximately $2.8 million for the same 2021 period. In the first quarter, the company paid approximately $3.9 million in dividends on our common shares and approximately $922,000 of dividends paid with respect to our Series A preferred stock. In addition, on April 1, 2022, the board of directors declared a dividend of $0.12 per common share, payable on April 18 to shareholders of record on April 11, 2022. As you are aware, Sachem operates as a REIT and is required to distribute a minimum of 90% of the company's taxable income to shareholders as dividends. We intend to comply with this requirement for the current year.

Let me take a moment now to discuss liquidity and capital resources. As of March 31, 2022, we had cash and short-term marketable securities of approximately $93.4 million. Supplementing our liquidity is our margin line of credit with Wells Fargo, with a balance of $23.2 million at March 31st, and our master repurchase financing facility with an affiliate of Churchill Real Estate, which had $26.9 million outstanding. These two facilities provide us additional flexibility at very attractive rates. It's also important to reiterate that we're very careful about the debt we take on and will not over-level our portfolio to garner higher leveraged returns. Moving forward, we will continue to monitor the ever-changing economic conditions.

Given the current market, we believe we are well-positioned as the go-to non-bank real estate lender as local banks fail to understand the needs and timing required by their borrowers, and small hard money lenders struggle with a lack of lending capital and the need to fit loans into a predetermined box. Further, rising interest rates will enhance our lending platform and provide considerable growth as local banks cannot qualify borrowers due to debt coverage ratios and cash flow metrics. Despite the ever-lingering effects of COVID-19 and the fact that the Federal Reserve Board has started to raise interest rates, the demand for our products and services remains strong. I am pleased with our first quarter operating results, having achieved record revenue of $10.3 million, an increase of 80.3% over the same period last year.

At the same time, we achieved $3.4 million of net income attributable to common shareholders and $4.5 million of non-GAAP adjusted earnings. We still maintain a cautionary approach to the market and look forward to further deploying our capital as we open new markets and identify attractive lending opportunities. To wrap up, we believe our lending platform is solid and sustainable given our strict underwriting criteria and extensive due diligence. As a result, we look forward to continuing our strong historical performance in 2022. I would like to thank you all for joining our call today. At this point, we will open the call for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. If you have any questions or comments, please press star one on your phone at this time. We ask that while posing your question, you please pick up your handset if listening on speakerphone to provide optimum sound quality. Please hold while we poll for questions. Your first question for today is coming from Tyler Batory. Please announce your affiliation, then pose your question.

Tyler Batory
Executive Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer

Thank you. Good morning. Tyler Batory here from Oppenheimer. Just a couple of questions for me. First, on the loan growth side of things. You know, another quarter, very strong growth there. Can you help us think a little bit more about what loan growth might look like the next few quarters? You know, at what point do you think you might be hitting a little bit of a ceiling in terms of your headcount? And also if you could talk a little bit about the loan pipeline and where things stand right now, that would be helpful as well.

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

Okay. Well, good morning, Tyler. Yeah, our loan growth during the first quarter was outstanding. We continue to see good funding opportunities. They are in different parts of the country, which gives us the ability to pick and choose where we would like to deploy our capital. Our current work in process, you know, loans in-house, is quite unbelievable. We quite possibly could have well over $100 million of loan opportunities in the office today. So, you know, we talked about our loan pipeline being robust and growing. It's here. Yes, we are seeing some pressure on personnel. We are trying to hire some underwriters to assist with the growth. We're trying not to expand our head count too rapidly. I touched on it briefly during the call.

We have just initiated an online loan application servicing software where borrowers can supply documents and, you know, on our end if the underwriter, it's easier to facilitate the deals, to look for open items, to manage LTVs, to manage missing documents. What we're doing now is, you know, they're not sure the exact completion stage of a file. This will eliminate all of that. Our underwriters will now be able to tackle more and more loan opportunities. I see our loan growth continuing to grow, again, subject to available efficient capital. You know, the second quarter is shaping up to be pretty, you know, just as nice as this first one.

Tyler Batory
Executive Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer

Okay. Great. That's helpful. Just to follow up on the loan portfolio. You know, can you talk a little bit more about the strategy to expand into the commercial space? How is that progressing, and what does the loan split look like today, roughly commercial versus residential?

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

Okay. You know, first and foremost, we are seeing better lending opportunities in the commercial area. This sector has been overlooked for the past five-seven years, you know, as the resi fix-and-flip market has become quite heated. Our borrowers are not able to find deals where they're able to provide enough gain for themselves to undertake. Secondly, to really further the company initiatives, these commercial deals are a little bit larger. The developers are more experienced. They have more wherewithal. They bring a stronger personal balance sheet into the equation. You know, we're doing a lot more commercial type stuff now. Our portfolio is still 60% residential, you know, resi fix-and-flip. You know, that we're gonna probably look to some kind of parity here, 50/50 at some point.

Tyler Batory
Executive Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer

Okay, great. Just a last question from me. I'm interested your perspective on, perhaps growing the dividend this year. You know, how do you think about maybe doing that? Is that a priority? Is that something you think that could make sense as we progress through 2022?

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

Yes. To state right up front, growing our dividend and rewarding shareholders is prime importance here. You know, some of our some of the people on this call have been around, as we've grown this company. We've had to backfill quite a bit with quality people, with technology, with, you know, more office space, things like that. Those things have chopped into earnings. We are coming over that hump now. You know, in the fourth quarter, we saw it. We're seeing it here. Our company is moving in the right direction where, you know, we can reward our shareholders and not over-lever our balance sheet, which is key. You know, there's a fine line between, you know, leveraging yourself to suicide to pay a bigger dividend.

You know, if you look at our balance sheet, it's rock solid, right? We're not borrowing every nickel we can get. We're very prudent about the debt we get. We're managing the balance sheet risk, and at the same time, you know, our goal is really to reward our shareholders.

Tyler Batory
Executive Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer

Okay, great. That's all for me. Thank you for the detail.

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

Thank you, Tyler.

Operator

Your next question for today is coming from Christopher Nolan. Please announce your affiliation, then pose your question.

Christopher Nolan
Managing Director of Equity Research, Ladenburg Thalmann

Ladenburg Thalmann. John, given the challenges in the supply chain, how has that affected the fix and flip investor that you typically lend to?

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

Well, that's a good question. Here is my take on it. Supply chain issues have curtailed real estate supply. Therefore, I see that keeping prices high. There's a significant demand. There are a lot of unfinished buildings. Needless to say, with material costs being expensive, obviously labor costs and the lack of supply, I see real estate prices staying, you know, reasonably high, and let's call it stable high for the near future. However, you know, there are things that are beyond our control, and that's the liquidity, right? Interest rates can change this. The stock market. There's a lot of liquidity coming from the stock market into real estate. You know, we're still seeing strong demand and selling prices above ask.

You know, locally here, there's an unbelievable demand for real estate. Secondly, there's also an unbelievable demand for apartment units where people can't find apartments. You know, the supply chain, the biggest issue on our end, you know, these projects will move on a little longer than anticipated, and it puts pressure on our developer builder, to really support the interest cost. You know, we've been in contact with our builders. We try to stay ahead of it. We try to factor it in when we look at the loans. It has not been crippling to our business yet, but you know, we are on the lookout for, you know, a complete shutdown of this. I do think it's getting better.

Christopher Nolan
Managing Director of Equity Research, Ladenburg Thalmann

As a follow-up question, given the rise in short-term interest rates, how does that change the utilization of the line of credit and the repurchase facility in the coming quarters?

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

You know, first, the rate compression that we've talked about, that has kind of stopped. Our borrowers are not demanding rate concessions, so that's a good thing. You'll start to see our portfolio, weighted average lending rates start to rise again. It had been declining for the past three or four quarters. That should stabilize and rise. Our margins are still quite significant. With Churchill Real Estate, we're at 4%. With our margin line at Wells Fargo, we're at 1.5%. You know, the interest rates did catch our bond portfolio. I mean, I can't hide behind that. You know, when you have $100 million in cash, 'cause you did two note offerings, one in December and one in March, you know. Those things happen, right?

You know, we welcome the rising rates here. Our borrowers are accustomed to pay for money for their projects. They factor it in. They factor it into their selling or buying prices. I also think it will slow this market down, which I welcome. I'm kind of okay here. You know, just two quarters ago, the real estate market was in a car race, right? It was just wild. A little bit of a slowdown here could be a good thing for everybody. I actually welcome a little bit of a rise in rates. Our margins will still be. You know, we're still working on the same rate. Our overall cost of capital all in is under 8%.

You know, our margins are good. We're still lending at 11%-12%. We have our 2% for origination. We are now earning construction management fees on larger projects. Our spread is still very good.

Christopher Nolan
Managing Director of Equity Research, Ladenburg Thalmann

Great. Thank you.

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

Okay.

Operator

Once again, if there are any questions or comments, please press star one on your phone at this time. Your next question is coming from Eddie Reilly. Please announce your affiliation, then pose your question.

Edward Reilly
Managing Director in Equity Research, EF Hutton

Hi, this is Eddie Reilly with EF Hutton. I was wondering if you could give us some more color on bank lending standards given the rise in interest rates.

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

This is kinda nice, right? Banks are slow to the party just as a matter of course, right? They're trying to be competitive. They have the 600-pound gorilla on their back being, you know, the FDIC and the Fed. I think with rates moving, the banks will be slower to react. I think the borrowers that apply will be... It'll be harder for them to fit in the bank lending box. Either, you know, they have to meet certain cash flow metrics that the rising rates kinda hamper, and it makes the projects more expensive, which, you know, may ruin some of the LTVs on the bank side. The big advantage that we have is that most banks will not take multiple pieces of collateral.

They're frustrated with that, and I don't know why. In a situation where a borrower can, you know, not be successful at the local bank, he can come to us and we could structure a deal that'll bring in either additional cash, additional partners or additional real estate collateral that can make a deal work. That's the big difference. The banks, yeah, they're gonna earn a little bit more money as rates go, but I think overall their lending volume, at least in the developer space, is gonna be tested.

Edward Reilly
Managing Director in Equity Research, EF Hutton

Gotcha. How are you guys thinking about the exit strategies for your borrowers with regards to refinancing versus an outright sale, given the current environment?

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

Right now they're able to sell everything that they can complete. This is the perfect world for real estate speculation. The trick will be when this market slows down, right, and the borrowers, or the buyers, are looking to pay maybe slightly lesser prices. It'll be quality real estate that sells first. That's you know, our focus is on being in the right spot, right? Anybody can develop, but you have to be in the right spot. You know, we're moving from certain towns that are small and not as vibrant to locations where people are moving that have significant state tax or real estate considerations, real estate tax considerations. Those will be the properties that sell.

Edward Reilly
Managing Director in Equity Research, EF Hutton

Okay, got it. Turning to capital deployment for the rest of the year, you mentioned that the second quarter will be just as nice as the first one. Should we expect the third and the fourth quarter to be maybe just as nice as the first and second quarters, or how should we think about that going forward?

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

You know, I could see what's in here now for the second quarter. Our results for the second quarter is highly dependent upon available capital. We have worked through our cash that we've had at March thirty-first. We're deploying our money. In our business, our success is based on efficient capital, and we're at that crossroads now. I can say the first third of this quarter has been off the charts.

Edward Reilly
Managing Director in Equity Research, EF Hutton

Got it. I was wondering what the ultimate goal was with the investment portfolio. You know, noticed some sales there. Assuming that you do hold the short-term securities to maturity, do you happen to know which quarter the unrealized loss reversal might occur?

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

I don't have that. I'm sorry, I don't. I'd have to dig down and look into the, you know, specific

Edward Reilly
Managing Director in Equity Research, EF Hutton

Okay.

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

Items within the account. We are monitoring that, and I can get that for you if you need it.

Edward Reilly
Managing Director in Equity Research, EF Hutton

Okay, gotcha. Then just the ultimate goal of the investment securities balance, should we maybe expect that to be the same, so that, you know, you guys can continue utilizing the line of credit?

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

The trick here is a good portion of that money was Treasury security. You know, when, you know, if we do a note sale and you get $50 million, I think we have limited places to put our capital and, you know, we just have to be careful. We got caught here a little bit and to be perfectly honest, not to leave the money sitting in our local banks, but we're now searching for a way that when that happens, we need better protection.

Edward Reilly
Managing Director in Equity Research, EF Hutton

Great. Really appreciate your candor there. That's it for me, guys. Thank you.

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

Thanks.

Operator

There appear to be no further questions in queue. I would like to turn the floor back over to John for any closing comments.

John Villano
Chairman, CEO, and President, Sachem Capital Corp.

You know, thank you all for participating in our conference call. I look forward to updating you all next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's conference call. You may disconnect your phone lines at this time, and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.

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