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Jefferies Global Healthcare Conference

Jun 5, 2024

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Hello, welcome, and thank you. Well, good afternoon. Welcome to our next session.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Oh, and we can share-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Here at the Jefferies Healthcare Conference. We have a number of members of the Schrödinger management team up here with us. We have the CEO, Ramy Farid, on the far left. We have the CFO, Geoff Porges, here on the left-hand side, as on the end of the table, and then in the middle, we have Karen Akinsanya, who's the president of R&D, Therapeutics, and of course, very important because a lot of internal pipeline drugs are moving forward. I know that Ramy would love to have the opportunity to give some slides.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Okay. Yep.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

That would be great, and then we'll have a lot of questions and a lot of topics I'd love to hit on in our 24 minutes together.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, and we'll go as quickly as we can-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Sure

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

... so there's enough time-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Sounds good

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

for questions. So just launch right in?

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Great.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

A good place to start is what our vision is for the future of drug discovery, and in general, molecular design. It's pretty simple. The first step is to enumerate as much of chemical space as possible. It turns out, chemical space is almost infinite. So that's actually kind of a big deal, essentially designing every possible molecule that you can make. In the case of drug discovery, it's drug-like molecules. In the case of materials, it's molecules that have general structure that a particular material might have. And then to develop, that's the thing in the middle, to develop algorithms for accurately predicting the properties of those molecules. And the reason this is incredibly important is, in every molecular discovery project, you have to design into a single molecule, a whole bunch of properties that are fighting each other. They're anti-correlated.

So to design a drug is extraordinarily hard because as you design a molecule that's potent, it tends not to be soluble, and as you make a molecule soluble, it tends not to be permeable, and as you fix that, then you screw up potency, and you get the idea. So this is an incredibly hard multi-parameter optimization problem. But if we can enumerate much of chemical space, if we can accurately predict on a computer before you go doing the really expensive thing of actually making a molecule and testing it on a computer, then you can do this multi-parameter optimization problem very rapidly, very efficiently, and identify molecules that actually have the properties that you're targeting. That's the vision. And what we've been working on for quite a number of decades is that well, actually, two things.

One is the algorithm in the middle to actually predict properties of molecules very accurately, and also enumerating chemical space. That turns out to be a challenge as well. And what we have found, and we talked a lot about this, is that there are two, at a very high level, completely orthogonal, completely different approaches. One is to do something that you all know about. It's called AI. We used to call it machine learning. We used to call it deep learning. We used to call it QSAR. It's all the same thing, machine learning, knowledge-based methods. That turns out to be pretty powerful, but by itself, it turns out not to be actually that useful. We've also been developing first principles methods. This does not rely on training. It doesn't rely on knowing anything.

It relies on understanding the underlying physics that governs the properties of these molecules. It turns out by combining these two methods, the really accurate way of predicting properties of molecules using physics and using that to build training sets for machine learning, is a really powerful method for developing that algorithm that we talked about in the first slide. We built this platform. It's taken many decades. It's super complicated, but we have shown now, and I'm gonna show you in a second, many ways in which this platform is highly validated and having a really big impact on the industry. What are we doing with this platform? We license the software to pharma companies, biotech companies, material science companies, academic institution, government labs all over the world in both life sciences and material science.

Because it's physics-based, it's completely agnostic, not only to the modality of a drug, it works on small molecules, peptides, antibodies, but also on a very wide range of material science applications. So that's the software business, what we call the software business, and we'll talk about that probably, right, Mike, a little bit?

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yes.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

It's an important part of the business. We also, for a while, have been using that software to advance programs, discovery programs in collaboration with other companies, many of which we've co-founded. I'll show you a slide on that, and that's both in drug design and in materials. And that business, you can see there, we have quite a number of collaborations. That's been really quite successful. Quite a number... I'll show you in a second. We'll look at the names, you'll recognize them, but this has been very successful. Let me leave it there, and we'll look at the details. And then more recently, and we're getting more and more excited about this, and Mike, you just mentioned it, we have a proprietary pipeline of drug discovery programs.

You see there a number of active, wholly owned programs, where now, and you'll see in a second, Karen will talk about these; these programs have actually made it all the way from target selection through optimization into IND-enabling studies and even now in the clinic. And we're very excited about those programs. The important thing, and there's a little subtle feature in this slide, you see these cards are overlapping a little bit. That's by design. These are highly synergistic businesses. We're learning so much from our customers, and that gets fed into the platform. We're validating the platform from these collaborations and proprietary programs. That's helping to drive demand from pharma companies, so there are lots of really interesting synergies between these different businesses. So I've been alluding to this. Here are the collaboration programs.

We have a number, you know, some in Phase 3, even some approved, a number of programs in Phase 2, a number in Phase 1. We think... I don't know if this is statistically meaningful or not. You can decide that, but this is a pretty good track record.

...And we think this is a reflection of the impact that the platform is having on these discovery programs. A number of the companies on this slide, we've co-founded. Obviously, some of them, you know which ones we didn't co-found. They're pharma companies there we've been collaborating with for a while. And maybe Karen can speak. Can you see this slide, actually? Karen, this is. Yeah, maybe you can speak to it.

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

Yeah. So as Ramy alluded to, we've been building a proprietary pipeline of drugs. We have two now in the clinic, our MALT1 inhibitor. This is a target in the BTK pathway, that's now validated in the clinic, in third-party hands. We think we have a best-in-class molecule, and that is now in a Phase I dose escalation. Our next program is for AML. That's our CDC7 inhibitor, also in the clinic and progressing well. And our third IND has just been cleared. That's a Myt1/Wee1 inhibitor that is beginning trials very, very soon. Behind that, we have a number of other oncology programs, a SOS1 inhibitor, PRMT5-MTA, as well as an EGFR brain-specific inhibitor, and also now emerging our immunology pipeline and some undisclosed targets.

The first batch are sort of best-in-class plays, and our first-in-class targets are coming along in the pipeline. Next slide. As I just said, for these three clinical stage assets, we've done a healthy volunteer Phase I study, which is complete. We showed data on that last year. We also have the global dose escalation study in relapsed refractory B-cell malignancies ongoing, and we expect to have data through the end of 2024 into the end of 2025 as enrollment continues. Then CDC7, same sort of timeline with respect to data. As I just mentioned, our Wee1/Myt1, we are initiating dosing very soon. Geoff?

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Okay. Take us through the numbers, Karen?

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yeah.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

This is just the Q1 highlights. This is more or less old news now. We're most of the way through Q2, but for the first quarter of this year, software revenue came in at $33.5 million, compared to $32 million last year. We continue to think that we've got strong prospects for growth for the rest of the year. Drug discovery revenue was $3.2 million. There were two large milestones that contributed in the first quarter of last year that were non-recurring this year. Software gross margin remains very high, in the high 70s%. We think it'll be sustained in the sort of 80% range going forward.

Operating expenses increased principally due to an increase in R&D spend, and there's a lot of noise in the other income because last year we reported the benefit from the Nimbus distribution of $147 million in cash that came to us. Our cash position at the end of the quarter was $436 million. Just quickly on the full-year guidance, we've guided to software revenue growth of 6%-13%. That's down from last year, we were at 17.5%, but that's because of the large contribution of two multi-year deals in the fourth quarter of last year. Those are, since they're multi-year, they don't recur this year, so we're growing through that kind of headwind in the fourth quarter.

Drug discovery revenue, we guide to $30 million-$35 million. Same thing, we had $25 million in the first quarter of last year. That's non-recurring. We expect the software gross margin to stay high, and we're bringing down the operating expense growth. We expect the cash use in operating activities to be somewhat above the cash use last year. In terms of the priorities that we've been communicating to investors, we are focused on maintaining the commercial momentum in the software business, particularly focused on drug discovery. We're aiming to expand the scope of application of the computational technology platform, and we can talk about that in the Q&A. Advancing the lead programs to proof of concept and progressing the second wave of programs that Karen talked about.

And in terms of milestones and catalysts, Karen alluded to this already, we're guiding that we'll be initiating the first patient being treated with 3515, that's the Wee1/Myt1 inhibitor, in Q3, and then we're looking to clinical data from both the CDC7 and the MALT1 program late this year or next year.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Very good.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Okay.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Very good. That was an excellent summary. Let me maybe break that up into some parts. So, first on the software business, which I think we agree is a significant majority of the valuation and your significant revenue contribution, that there's been various debates about the rate of growth and also the guidance. And so, and the good news is that you've actually come in at the high end of software guidance every year since you've gone public. And then in 2024, you gave guidance in January or February, and the rate of growth was 6%-13%, which is down from the above 15% growth that you've done historically. And Jeff says that that's because of a large contribution in the fourth quarter, which creates a difficult comp year-over-year because the number was so big in the fourth quarter.

So my question is, are there data points that would suggest, hey, yes, don't look at the year-over-year, the rates are accelerating, the adoption is accelerating, and if I backed out that large contract, it is accelerating?

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Can you talk to that?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, that's right.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Because people saw the number, it's lower.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

I hear you on the large-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... year-over-year comp-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

But that doesn't make me feel great.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Just to be clear, that Q4 deal that Mike is referring to-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

With Lilly.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Exactly-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Lilly

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

... is what's called an on-prem deal, which requires us to recognize a majority of a pretty significant portion of the revenue in the quarter that it closed. That's why it's a difficult comp, right?

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Significant, so like if I took the number that you reported-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yes

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... on the fourth quarter, which was, how much was that? 30%.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

$70 million.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Seven? Okay.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

A big chunk of that was a Lilly deal?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

... Right, and a big chunk of the Lilly deal had to be recognized in the quarter that it closed. It isn't, it wasn't a so-called hosted deal, where if it was, the revenue would've been recognized ratably over the whole thing, so it's got this lumpiness. So that's-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Was Lilly an existing customer?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay, so they went from a current customer to a bigger customer-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's right

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... using a multi-year deal?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, and again, because the deal is not hosted, we're required to recognize most of the revenue in the quarter that it closed.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

So now, to get at the hard... Just to—

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

So if you back that out, my question is-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, yeah

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... not going into all those accounting things-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Right

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... tell me-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Right

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... how I should look at the growth rate-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Right. Yeah

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... on a more normalized pattern?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's right.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Is it accelerating, or what?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, yeah. We're definitely seeing signs of it accelerating in the following way: the demand for computation and our, I mean, our platform, I should say, but obviously, that's computation, is really increasing. There are more and more pharma companies coming to us and saying, "We're done messing around. We've been messing around for decades. It's time to start doing drug discovery the right way." This is clearly the right way. We've developed the best platform. We've validated it over and over and over again. In many of these companies, by the way, we have drug discovery collaborations with them. They're seeing the impact of an actual live project. And I think they're starting to get to that point. Now, why aren't they just adopting it on, you know, immediately?

Well, there's a lot that has to change at a pharma company for them to be able to make use of all of this technology. They know they need it, but who's gonna run it? And what kind of processes are going to be changed inside the pharma company to do drug discovery, and really, let's be honest, it's a completely different way. We're not gonna put so many chemists on the project. We're not gonna make as many compounds. We're going to actually synthesize compounds that a human looking at it, their intuition doesn't tell them it should work. That's weird.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Mm.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's a weird thing. That's how we've been doing drug discovery this whole time. It's based on intuition from so-called medicinal chemists that have some kind of magical ability to look at a molecule and see physics. And that's supposed to sound silly, by the way, what I was trying to say.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Well, no-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's ridiculous

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... doesn't it kind of imply-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Right

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... that, you know, when you get into it, there's some legacy-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... dynamics-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Exactly

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... at the big companies-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

You got it.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... run by medicinal chemists-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's right

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... who are traditional organic chemist guys-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Exactly

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... on whiteboards and computers-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

You got it. Yep

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... doing stuff.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

The software says, "Do this"-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... and they go, "Why?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Then they go. Right, and, and that's the nature of physics-based methods.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Uh

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

... is that the predictions aren't intuitive. That's sort of the whole point. If they were, you wouldn't need any of this. It would've worked. We wouldn't have the problems we're having now of these huge, higher, high failure rates and, you know, programs taking forever to get to development candidates, with most of them not succeeding. So it's a process. And, but-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

So, is there a metric?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

You know, is it-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... ACV numbers?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Is it there's more people doing over 1 million, or whatever it is?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

What are the metrics I can look at and say-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, right, right.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... "It is getting better"?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

'Cause people are seeing the revenue number not accelerate.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, exact-

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

There are a few metrics.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

But again, that's an artificial, right, because-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

I hear you.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

I hear you.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

So go ahead, yeah.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

The first is the KPIs that we disclosed.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Okay.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Mike, we talk about the number of customers with ACV over $5 million a year and the number of customers over $1 million a year. The number over $5 million increased last year. It was 2 in 2022, it was 4 last year, and over $1 million, it went from 18 to 27. We think those are very strong indicators of the underlying dynamics in the market. That's probably the most important. Overall ACV is also a significant indicator, and what we've suggested is that ACV growth this year is going to be substantially higher than revenue growth. And that was because ACV growth last year was lower than revenue growth because in 2023, there was the benefit of some revenue from 2024 and 2025 that was reported in 2023. So ACV growth was lower.

ACV growth's going to accelerate, and if you take a sort of three-year look-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Mm-hmm

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

... at ACV growth, that gives you a sense of the underlying dynamics. The other thing that we should point out is that this hosted on-prem transition, it kind of annoying to talk about, but hosted is basically SaaS revenue. It's, it's quarterly recurring revenue, and our business is migrating slowly to more of a SaaS-based revenue model. Now, as you can imagine, that is a headwind compared to if you report it all up front. And so this year, in the first quarter, SaaS revenue was, I think, close to 20% or so, or hosted revenue of our revenue, and that is going to continue to increase. Slowly, our large customers are migrating over to hosted, i.e., ratable revenue, but that's not gonna occur quickly, but it's definitely a headwind to the reported revenue growth that we're looking at-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

A temporary headwind-

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Yeah

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

... right, until it normalizes out.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Yes, until it-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

So I-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Right

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... since I'm not a software accountant, the hosted-

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

You are now.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

You're becoming one.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Most of the experts here are excellent in looking at-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... drug pipelines and data.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, yeah. We'll get to those.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

But in terms of the hosted and on-prem, that's you hosting it or where it's done separately? 'Cause that, you're telling me that's a big difference in how the-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, great, it's a very important question. So in the traditional sense, that's what it means. In a traditional software company, it means that the vendor is essentially running the software and-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

... you know, like, the company has some kind of web interface, and-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yeah, and you log into it.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Exactly.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yeah.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's not what it is. That's not what we're doing at all.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

The difference between hosted and on-prem for us is essentially nothing, actually. With regard to the compute-intensive work, it's the same. They run no matter whether it's hosted... I'm gonna get to the difference, but just let me make this point. Whether it's hosted or on-prem, the software, the meat of the software, the compute-intensive software is running on their own hardware or their own instance, cloud instances.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

The difference for us between hosted and on-prem is this tiny bit of code that controls the number of calculations they can run. We call it the license server.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Uh-huh.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

It's just this tiny little thing, but because of the rules, if you have one line of code that's hosted, the whole deal is considered hosted.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

From the point of view of the customer, from the point of view of the cost associated with us delivering the software, from the point of view of every single thing other than how you recognize the revenue, the deals are the same.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's it.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Sorry, is that? I know that's just really confusing, but-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

It is. It's a transition-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, yeah

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... from that-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

and that's impacting the revenue. So-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's all it does, right?

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Importantly, you have guidance of 6%-13%. We're now into June.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Mm-hmm.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

For the first time, actually, last year, in the years I've been covering you, you actually did, for the first time ever, modify guidance in the middle of the year towards the higher end. That happened last year.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yep.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Are you holding to some potential that you will look at guidance again at the midpoint of this year and change things?

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

We try and guide to the most likely range of outcomes, Mike, and we constantly evaluate what that range of outcomes looks like. We're certainly not going to be a company that changes guidance on a whim or with a lot of frequency, but we're certainly going to be taking a hard look at it through the balance of the year. And as we dial the business in, as you can see, our business mix is skewed towards renewals at the end of the year. That's because that's when large companies have their purchasing cycles. But as we get more visibility towards that end of the year, we'll try and narrow what the range is of expected outcomes.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

What % of software revenue is in the fourth quarter?

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Uh-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Forty-five percent?

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

It's close to 40%.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

40, 40%.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

40% is in one quarter?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah. Yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Right.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Let me hit on the second thing, and that will lead us into Karen as well. But the drug discovery line, which is collaborations, which you had a very nice slide on, is various mix of revenues coming in from-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Mm-hmm

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

...ongoing research collaborations, et cetera, et cetera. But that was a number that had declined, and people said, "Well, Ramy, if things are going well at your partners, aren't the milestones going up?" But it was a harder look at the probabilities of different things, but it was a decline year-over-year. And so can you speak to helping us gain confidence that partners are doing better if the milestone revenue has been declining, not increasing?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

And then, of course, we'll keep in mind that, you know, we've been, you know, as we've said, there's been a shift in focus on the internal programs, which, of course, the revenue from those will be delayed. But sorry, I just wanted to-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yeah, well, your own drugs are coming. We'll get to that in a second.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, exactly. So that-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

But the-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's an important part.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... but, Jeff, the revenue guidance for drug discovery-

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Sorry

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

... declined year-over-year.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Yes.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

People said, "Jeff, well, if the things are getting better, shouldn't they be going up?

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Yeah, there are a couple of factors that contribute to the change in expected revenue for this year compared to last year. First is, there's no doubt that the payment from Bristol in the first quarter was a significant contributor. That's not going to occur this year, so that, you know, just a mathematical change.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

That was first quarter of 2023?

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

First quarter of last year, yes.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Right. Got it.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

Associated with that, of course, you know, BMS has made a host of decisions in their portfolio about prioritization not going ahead-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Mm

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

... all manner of aspects, and so some of that has come out of our expectations for our business.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Okay.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

That's been a change. The last thing I would say is what we're trying to guide to is milestones and transitions that we have control over, not that are in third-party portfolios. We're not in the business of estimating when a global pharma company who's in license a program for one of our partners is making a decision to start Phase 2 .

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yeah.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

But we will include when a program that we're in control of reaches a particular transition point, whether it be IND or something else. So that's what's included in our guidance. We expect that revenue to be back half, second half, heavily second half weighted. Unlike last year, where it was first half weighted, we expect the revenue contribution for drug discovery to be significantly second half weighted.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Will that grow sustainably year-over-year, including in 2025?

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

I have to say, we haven't sat down and modeled all of 2025 and 2026 yet because it depends upon the progress we make this year. If we're successful in hitting the milestones this year on the, in the time course that we expect, then we would anticipate there'd be milestones in the future.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay.

Geoffrey Porges
CFO, Schrödinger

But it's conditional upon the success of the programs.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Yeah, and not necessarily commenting about 2025, but you know that many of these programs, these collaboration programs, have significant milestones associated with them.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Mm-hmm.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

You know, some of them are clinical milestones. There's even royalties on sales, so that's the future. Again, not making a comment on 2025, but you see where these are going, right?

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Well, if they... I would love to see them hit.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Exactly.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. All right.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's right.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Well, uh-

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

And look, they're progressing pretty nicely. Look at the data, you know. Nimbus just presented data, Structure just presented some data, you know, and so on.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yeah.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

So, you know-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yes

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

... to the extent that there are milestones associated-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yes

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

... with those are in the future.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Is there a milestone related to any of the obesity Structure compound? We own stock. You own stock in Structure.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

We own equity.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yes.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That is the main form-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Mm

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

... of value that's being created.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

There's no milestone or economics on the deal?

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

Not in the that program.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's right.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

All right.

Ramy Farid
CEO, Schrödinger

That's right.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

So Karen, you get to finish off with us. Mm-hmm. So tell us about the MALT1 compound. J&J has had very promising response rates in DLBCL, but has been sort of paused because there's some tox and some other issues. But so far, you've reported in a bunch of healthy volunteers. Yep... and cancer patients, but at least in healthy volunteers, it's remarkably clean. Yes. Usually, I think if it's remarkably clean, that's shocking if someone else has just had tons of tox. If that's an on-target thing, maybe they have off-target tox. So can you tell us how confident you are and when you're going to have data on this MALT1? And if you show many, many, many responses, like 30% response rate, that would be remarkable... with no tox?

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

Right. So as you just pointed out, we have healthy volunteer data. We completed a healthy volunteer study in about 80 people, and the drug was very well-behaved. What we've obviously been looking out for this year is, are we seeing anything different in patients? As you know, we have a global trial ongoing in relapsed refractory B-cell malignancies.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yep.

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

And to date, we are very pleased with the profile. We're not seeing anything that says it's completely different in patients. So very well-behaved so far, but obviously, we're still enrolling and aiming towards that recommended Phase II dose, where I think it would be fair to make an apples-to-apples comparison. What we do know, and what we published last year at ASH, actually, is that our compound is about 50-fold more potent than J&J's, and we know they had to dose up to extraordinarily high exposures, where, to your point, there's the potential to overlap into other mechanisms. And so-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

So you're 54 more potent on MALT1.

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

Correct.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

They had to dose way up to get potency on MALT1, so they're probably hitting all sorts of other stuff.

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

This is based on a whole blood assay that we did-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

... head-to-head with our two molecules. Now, of course, the-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Yeah

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

... Janssen have moved a follow-on molecule into the clinic.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Oh!

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

And so we think they have a lot of conviction about the mechanism, as do we.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Is that, is that, recently disclosed in a J&J slide deck or something?

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

Recently disclosed, indeed. And so-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

So they like MALT1, and they moved a second compound in?

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

Correct.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Oh.

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

AbbVie and others who have large BTK franchises are there. We're very pleased with the fact we have a global, ongoing trial, well-behaved drug, aiming towards that recommended Phase II dose, with the expectation to start combinations with BTK inhibitors or Venetoclax. Really pleased with the progress so far. We've talked about our CDC7 program. Similarly, enrollment's going really well there. That's a drug for AML, where we are through all of our single-patient cohorts. We're now in cohorts of three patients at each dose level, and so a lot of progress.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Hmm

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

... I think, on the clinical programs.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Think you could have data at ASH?

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

We don't think so. The cutoff is in August.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Hmm.

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

We think it's a little bit too early. We wanna obviously have more data in patients before we-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

... jump the gun and talk about efficacy. We have nice safety PK information, which we're accumulating, but we'll probably wait for-

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

... a future meeting.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Very good. Thank you guys very much for the update. Look forward to progress this year.

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

Yeah.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you.

Karen Akinsanya
President of R&D, Schrödinger

Thanks a lot, Mike.

Michael Yee
Analyst, Jefferies

Good.

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