Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the SEI Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. We will conduct a question and answer session and I'll give instructions at that time. And as a reminder, this call is being recorded.
Would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Chairman and CEO, Al West. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you. Welcome, everyone. All of our segment leaders are on the call as well as Dennis McGonigal, SEI's CFO and Kathy Heilig, SEI's Controller. I'll start by recapping Q3 2021. I'll then turn it over to Dennis to cover LSV and the investment in new business segment.
After that, each business segment leader will comment on the results of the segments. Now as usual, we will field questions at the end of each report. So let's now turn our attention to the financial report and the financial results of the Q3 2021. 3rd quarter revenues grew 14% from a year ago. 3rd quarter earnings increased by 24% from a year ago and 3rd quarter EPS of $0.97 grew 29% from the $0.75 reported in Q3 2020.
3rd quarter asset balances decreased by approximately $3,700,000,000 while LSP's balance decreased by $4,800,000,000 During the quarter, we repurchased 2 point 1,000,000 shares of SEI stock at a price of $60.58 per share. That translates into $120,000,000 worth of stock repurchases. Now I'd like to provide you with our situation today. One of our businesses steadily grows its revenues and profits, that's IMS. Another business, the advisor segment has recently been executing against a new technology driven strategy.
We are experiencing strong indicators that the business has turned the corner and we're very excited about that. Another business, private banking is diligently working on an implementation backlog, a strong sales pipeline and enhancing client satisfaction. Now the 4th business is the Institutional Investor segment. While it faces strong headwinds in the legacy defined benefit OCIO client base, it's currently addressing other growing segments. We're also focused on building growth engines beyond our 4 traditional businesses.
Here, we are finding opportunity in markets and services adjacent to our 4,000,000 engines. In the past, we have shared a couple of these innovative young businesses. First, GRC, providing global regulatory compliance services to financial service organizations throughout the world. 2nd, what has been renamed from SEI IT Services to SEI Sphere. Sphere's leading edge service is network and data security.
3rd, the Private Wealth Management Business is providing an enterprise platform to ultra high net worth families. In addition, we have made 2 acquisitions in October that will add additional capabilities for both our IMS and institutional business lines. Dennis, Steve and Paul will provide more information. Next, let's turn to revenue production during the Q3. Net sales events in private banking and investment managers were $19,400,000 of which $15,100,000 are expected to be recurring.
In addition, net sales events of $6,900,000 incurred in the asset management related units. These events reflect positive asset flows of advisors and institutions. In a few minutes, unit heads will provide more detail on their specific sales results in their new businesses opportunities in the new business. To grow and prosper in the future, we know that things will never be the same. So we've been busy adopting new mental models and realities.
One such new reality is a remotely distributed workforce. We have been planning how the workforce will work in the future and today we're beginning to act on our plans. Fortunately, we have sustained the positive momentum created during the first half of twenty twenty one. We have a strong backlog of sales and implementations in a number of key prospects late in the sales cycle. In addition, we have been successful in repositioning our asset management related business segments.
In conclusion, we look forward to capturing the opportunities inherent in significant change. And with that, I will turn it over to Dennis to give you an update of LSV and the investment in our new business segment.
Dennis? Thanks, Al. Good afternoon, everyone. I'll cover the 3rd quarter results for the Investments in New Business segment and discuss the results of LSV Asset Management. During the Q3, the Investments in New Business segment activities of the operation of our Private Wealth Management Group, our IT Services business opportunity, which Al told you now we now call SEI Sphere, the modularization of assets and data integration of different platforms to deliver on our one SEI strategy and other investments.
During the quarter, the Investments in New Business segment incurred a loss of $8,500,000 which compared to a loss of $9,600,000 during the Q3 of 2020. Approximately $6,500,000 of expense during the Q3 2021 is tied to our 1 SEI effort. Regarding LSV, our approximate 38 point 7 percent ownership contributed $35,000,000 in income to SEI for the Q3 of 2021. This compares to a contribution of $28,300,000 in income for the Q3 of 2020. Assets during the quarter contracted approximately $4,800,000,000 LSV experienced net negative cash flow during the quarter of approximately $3,100,000,000 with market depreciation of approximately $1,700,000,000 Revenue at LSV was approximately 115.7 $1,000,000 for the quarter with $1,900,000 of performance fees.
As we discussed on the last quarter call and over time, our people are the key to making SEI go. Our business growth adds to our need to recruit, develop and retain our talent in all areas, including our operational teams. During the quarter and again recently, we have taken steps to invest in our operational talent with adjustments to their compensation. We recognize our contribution to our success and the role they play in our competitiveness as a company. Regularly, we monitor the labor markets within which we compete and will make appropriate investments to keep SEI as an employer of choice.
While this has an impact on overall expenses, we believe this is the right thing to do. As Al mentioned, we have recently closed on 2 acquisitions. The first is in the United States, we have purchased the technology assets of a company called Phenomial. These assets enhance our Investment Manager Services offering in the areas of Investor Services and Regulatory Compliance. In addition, the talent that is now part of SEI enhances our technical team and grows our cloud computing expertise.
In the U. K, pending regulatory approval, we are expanding our institutional capabilities in the Master Trust solution space with the acquisition of the Atlas Master Trust. This trust will combine with the SEI Master Trust, giving us greater scale and capabilities to compete and grow. Neither of these acquisitions are financially material, although we believe they carry high strategic value. Steve and Paul will provide additional commentary when they speak to their respective segments.
For the quarter, our effective tax rate was 22.3%. We have also included in our earnings release additional financial information. Please refer to our soon to be filed 10 Q for more information. I will now take any questions.
And we will go to the line of Owen Lohr with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Dennis, could you please give us an update of your latest status about people working in the office versus working remotely for the rest of 2021 and also the planning going into 2022? Thank you.
Sure. So since the end of the second quarter, we have gradually welcomed employees back to our offices, both here in Oaks and in London and somewhat in Ireland and Indianapolis. Starting just Monday of this week, we have what I kind of call an open door for anyone who voluntarily would like to come and work in our offices, whether it be 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 days a week. We have we think proven protocols on how to keep people safe and protected. We certainly look forward to seeing more people on our campuses.
But as Al mentioned, we have adjusted well to and we'll continue to take advantage of the opportunities and the pros, if you will, from how we've worked over the past 20 plus months. And we've learned that we certainly can run effectively with people distributed in different geographic areas. We can run effectively with people not coming into the office every day. We do recognize and our workforce recognizes the benefits of being in the office when they can be relative to things like team engagement, group meetings and conversations, certainly the benefits of spontaneity in running into people and covering specific business issues when they do. But that being said, we're taking a kind of gradual build back process, if you will, versus a big bang event.
So I could see this certainly. That's our process really for the rest of this year. And as we work through Q4, we'll make some decisions around how we go into 2022.
Thank you. And the next question is Robert Lee with KBW. Please go ahead.
Thanks. Hi, Dennis. Good afternoon. Hope you're doing well.
Great. How are you responding?
Good. Thanks. Another earnings season.
They come up fast.
They do. And I just want to go back to maybe 2 things. Well, maybe your commentary around, I guess, was kind of employee compensation expense. And I apologize, I think I may have missed a little bit of it. But I mean, were there like specific metrics or whatnot that you were that you may have mentioned that for whatever reason I kind of missed?
No, I didn't mention any metrics. But if you remember back on the Q2 call, we talked about that we were seeing the inflation impact hitting our compensation structures, particularly in certain areas. And we wanted to make sure everybody knew the Q3, we were going to see some impact of that because July 1 for many of our employees is their anniversary date for compensation. And so we would have a full quarter's effect of any adjustments we made then. But as we work through the quarter, as we look at our kind of workforce strategy and long term planning, particularly in the area of operations and operational talent, we made a recent decision to do something in addition to what we did for our workforce back in the beginning of July.
So it was more to kind of set the expectation that again you'll see some growth in compensation costs in the Q4 and then ongoing as a result of those decisions.
Okay, great. And maybe sticking to the
I would just say that after the what was funny about the conversation back in the Q2 is that within a couple of weeks after the call ended, what we had said on our call became much more the norm than the outlier because every company is talking about it. I mean, it's a labor force.
Yes, very much so. And maybe keeping that theme, and this maybe goes back to the prior question a little bit of back to office. But as knock on wood, we hope we start exiting the COVID and whatnot. And anything we should be thinking about maybe on other expenses like maybe marketing, T and E starting to pick up as you get into the quarter or expectations for next year or anything or that we should maybe just thinking about as we look think ahead in the next few quarters into the 1st part of next year?
Yes, I think you pinpoint that. During the 3rd quarter, saw a little bit of elevation of that. We did have more people on the road. It's all relative though to kind of where we were in the first half of the year. And we're seeing more client engagement, things as simple as dinners or meals with clients to outdoor activities with this golf being the most positive or prominent one on that.
Now with the winter coming, maybe that'll die down, but I think sales folks and client relationship folks that are comfortable and we do have a process of approval for what we allow and won't allow, we'll see that continue to inch up. I don't think you're going to see a big bang event where we're going to drop the flag and it's going to look like a NASCAR race. So
Although maybe we won't want that.
I also think there's probably a few people at Eagles games and Giants games and some of that going on as well.
Okay. And lastly, and I appreciate your patience, the 1 SCI and the investments in new business, I guess, have been thinking about that kind of starting to trail off as we got deeper into this 2nd part of this year. So should we still expect that that's going to start kind of trailing off somewhat in that $6,500,000 of expense? Or is that kind of a reasonable place to be in the next couple of quarters?
I'd say it trails down a little bit. 2nd and third, it will trail down a little bit more 3rd to 4th, And then it will step down, I think, more as we go into next year. So I wouldn't necessarily carry where we are today into next
year because it will be long.
Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions.
Thanks, Rob.
And the next is Chris Donat with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Hey, Dennis. Thanks for taking my question. Just a small one on the facilities supplies and other costs. It just looked a little light. Anything to call out there?
Or is that sort of at a new run rate for some reason? I know just trying to understand what's moving there?
In that line item on the income statement, we were the beneficiaries of state tax program for R and D Investments. And we after frankly very exhaustive process by our tax team, our IT folks and other folks in accounting, we applied for a rebate, if you will, on R and D investments we made in our data center. And so we did pick up a nice check. They did actually accept our application and request and we got that benefit in the Q3. So I would say that number is probably more it's a little bit understated.
So from an expense standpoint, we did get that benefit. On the other side, there were some, say, more one time expenses that went the other way. So in total costs for the company, total expenses,
it was
fairly neutral terms of things that went one way or the other.
Okay. But as we think about the individual line items like facilities probably comes up, but some others come down. Yes. Okay. That's it for me for now.
Thanks.
And we have one more question in the queue. Ryan Kennedy with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Hey, Dennis. How are you?
Great, Ryan. How about yourself?
Good. One more question on expenses. So we've talked about comp and the return to work. But given that revenue growth at the company level has been up 14% year to date, how should we think about how much of that you plan to reinvest into the business beyond the comp and beyond 1 SCI? Is there any other type of investment initiatives that you might lean more heavily into?
Well, I don't know how you define heavily, but there we are clearly investing in some new initiatives that Al outlined in his talk. The SEI outlined in his talk, the SEI Sphere business activities, the GRC Business Activities. As I mentioned, we did 2 smaller acquisitions in October, which Steve and Paul will speak a little bit more to. Those have probably short term expense elements to them. So we are investing.
We always speak in terms of percentage of our revenue in terms of total R and D. And I think we are still operating in that kind of 10% type range in total. There's nothing that I think would surprise anyone that we're doing or that we don't already have in play. Yes, things like Private Wealth Management, that's a self funding business now because it's a revenue generating business.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
And we do not have any more questions in queue, sir.
Before I turn it over to Steve, we would like to remind you that during today's presentation and in our responses to your questions, we have and will make certain forward looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our notices regarding forward looking statements that appear in today's earnings release and in our filings with the SEC. We do not undertake to update any of our forward looking statements. Kathy Heilig is so happy that I get to say that. Well, with that, I'd like to now turn it over to Steve.
Thank you, Dennis. Good afternoon, everyone. As usual, I'll start with the Private Banking segment. Q3 2021 revenues totaled $123,000,000 which was up $8,000,000 or 7% as compared to the revenues of the Q3 of 2020. This increase was driven primarily from recurring revenues.
3rd quarter 2021 quarterly profit of $6,300,000 for the segment was up $4,600,000 from the Q3 of 2020. This increase in profit was primarily due to the increase in recurring revenues. And turning to sales activity, during the quarter, we signed an agreement with a new client to SEI, CMB Bank based in Clearfield, Pennsylvania. We won this business as a competitive process, and we expect CMB Bank to migrate to SWP from a competitor platform in For the Q3 of 2021, our total gross sales event signed for the Investment Processing business was approximately $1,000,000 of annualized revenue. Total net sales for the investment processing business was essentially flat.
The primary driver of this was our new sales event offset by a reduction in several trust re contracts, reflecting some reductions in the size of a specific client's business or reduction in services utilized. Also in the quarter, we closed $2,600,000 of onetime revenues.
While we would have liked
to see stronger sales events signed in the quarter, this net result was more a function of timing than effort. It is safe to say we have a good start to the Q4 having moved some transactions along. I will wait to give an update on those activities when we report our 4th quarter results. Turning to implementation activity for the quarter. Last year, we announced that we are expanding our relationship with our long term client, First Horizon Bank.
First Horizon has been an SEI client since 2003. In July 2020, First Horizon merged with Iberia Bank, which had previously been running on a competitor platform. We are pleased to announce that during the quarter, we successfully completed the migration of that book of business to SEI. We are excited to continue providing our current scope of technology and services to the new larger organization. As an update on our backlog, our total signed but not installed backlog is approximately $72,000,000 in net new recurring revenue at the end of the 3rd quarter.
From an asset management standpoint, total assets under management ended the period at $25,600,000,000 which was down 2.5% from the Q2 of 2021. Our cash flow for the Q3 of 2021 was a negative $80,000,000 This resulted in a negative $200,000 sales event for the asset management side of the business for the quarter. As we go through the rest of the year, we will remain focused on continuing our momentum, executing on sales and prudently investing in the business to ensure sustainable growth. We will also continue to execute on our one SEI strategy, which will allow us to increase our growth opportunities by unlocking all the assets and platforms SEI has to offer across the company. We remain excited and optimistic on our growth opportunity.
That concludes my prepared remarks, and I'll now turn it over to any questions you may have.
And we will go to Ryan Kenny with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Hey, Steve. How are you?
Good. How are you, Ryan?
Great. So you've outlined some growth opportunities in private banks. I'm just wondering how much of the growth is expected to come from expanding existing relationships versus new clients, if you could help us size that SKU?
Yes. I think, Brian,
it's hard to size, and I probably wouldn't give you the exact size. But I'd say, when we look at the pipeline right now,
we probably have about 60% a
little bit more on new opportunities and 40% from what we're looking at of maybe expansion of existing relationships. When you look at the platforms we have, including Archway, IMS, some of the other technology platforms we have, we see good opportunity. And we've actually been successful with some of those during the past 18 months. So I'd say we're equally bullish on both and trying to move both down the path.
Got it. Thanks. Just as a follow-up, how do you think about transition risk? And I'm asking because one investor concern that we've been hearing is that there's been some chatter of a large wealth advisor looking to change their provider. And we don't know if that's even someone on your platform or who it is, but it does bring up the question of how do you think about protecting yourself around that potential risk?
What flexibility you have in your model? And if you could remind us what your concentration in revenues is on maybe your top 3 or top 5 clients? Yes.
So I'll start in reverse order. We don't have any material to the business single clients or group of top 5 or so clients. So we don't typically go into specifics, but if we had a client, we would certainly talk about that. As far as transition risk, we're in a servicing and outsourcing business that risk is out there for everybody in this business. I think our client retention rates being in the very high 90s points to the fact that we've managed that risk very well over the years.
I think it all comes down to execution on what you have in front of you, the services and the power of your technology and people. And I think we feel pretty secure on those. Typically, I think we've covered this in Q2. The risk we run-in the Private Banking segment, when I look back at history, where the majority you see transition, while we have had some client service or client movement outside of M and A, most of it comes from M and A. When a bank is bought by another bank or a wealth manager is bought by another wealth manager.
And if that larger organization is not a client of ours, typically that's when we will lose a client. But as I've also said, the silver lining in that is for us, they become an immediate prospect for us again.
Thanks.
Sure.
And the next question comes from Owen Lao with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Thank you for taking my question. Hi, Steve. So the expense is slightly better than expected, and I think it declined sequentially. Is there anything you want to call out for that expense discipline? I think you mentioned that you'll continue to make investment, but it's a sign that it will start to tail off?
Thank you.
Besides expert management, no kidding. We did as we mentioned in Q2, we took a good look at what our expenses are and tried to manage them pretty judiciously, and we'll continue to do that through the year. That does not mean on that certainly as Dennis mentioned, we will have some pickup in expense due to compensation that we do have operations folks in private bank. So but again, we'll manage that and certainly manage it as best we can. But I was happy with the results and the team is working very hard to manage expenses this quarter.
Thank you. We will now go to Robert Lee with KBW. Please go ahead.
Thanks. Hi, Steve. I hope you're doing well.
I am. How are you?
Good. Thank you. A couple of quick ones. First one is just kind of on bank M and A and its impact. I mean, I know sometimes you win as with First Horizon, sometimes it doesn't go your way.
But more broadly is as bank M and A feels like it's been pretty heated and maybe likely to stay that way, does that at all impact excuse me, does that all impact kind of the conversations you have with prospects in terms of their willingness to kind of go forward or go down too far down the path if there's just so much kind of activity going on around them? Or is that not really a factor just in the kind of the day to day prospecting and trying to move the pipeline along?
Yes, Rob. I'd say, I don't think it's too much of an impact day to day unless the prospect we're talking to is down a path already. And that becomes pretty evident when we start negotiation or discussions or if we reach out to them and they're resident to start a conversation, they're typically the ones you'll see that are in process. Other ones, I think they view it just like us. It's a part of the business right now, and they're making their strategic decisions that they have to go forward to grow their business.
So we really don't see it as being as a big fear or hurdle in the sales or prospecting process.
Okay, great. And then maybe as a follow-up on the backlog, could you just remind us kind of how you currently expect that backlog to kind of fund over the next 2 years? And is Wells Fargo still in that still in the backlog as part of that? Or have they kind of dropped out in a way?
No, I appreciate that, Rob. So yes, the Wells Fargo, the net up would be in that backlog. And the way we're looking at it right now of that approximately $72,000,000 backlog, about 61% of it we expect to come in, in the next 18 months, the remainder probably in the following 18 months. With that said, we have seen certain prospects where we expect a delay, but it will be a short term delay, probably more of a 3 to 4 month delay. As you know, the pandemic has hit development centers pretty hard over the past 18 months.
So I think getting some development done in certain of our clients and prospects has taken a little longer. So I don't think it will dramatically change those timeframes I've laid out, but there could be a couple that move here or there.
Great. Thanks so much. Thanks for taking my questions.
Sure. No problem.
And next we will go to Ryan Bailey with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Hey, Steve. How's it going?
Hey, Ryan.
So just a quick follow-up to Rob's question. If you can't comment, completely understand. But was Wellesen sort of that first 18 months of the backlog or the second 18 months?
It would be in the second.
Got it. Okay.
And the
reason is Ryan, because we just don't have a date on that one.
Got it. Okay. And then Steve, I think you'd said in some of your recent commentary that feel like for the segment, we'll be heading towards the most stable and accelerating margin as we sort of exit this year? Now that we're kind of nearly 10 months through the year, does that still feel like the right case? And how much of that is based on the matriculation of the $72,000,000 call it like over the next 6 months or so?
Yes, Ryan. So that's one of the goals. We're not there yet. I feel we're getting closer to a point where again, I can say we're on more of a sustainable and accelerating margin level. We still have some things to navigate through that I've mentioned through the year.
Also getting to that sustainable margin, really the 2 main pieces are us matriculating that $72,000,000 as well as us managing and looking to right size certain expenses. And then the 3rd piece of that or the 3rd leg of the stool will be us continuing to fill the backlog with new sales as we particularly the sales that are in there.
Got it. Okay. And if I can sneak one more quick one in. Just on the RIA with the largest scale RIA opportunity, any sort of advancements there, anything that's developing or fluctuating?
No, I think the team is working very hard, building the pipeline there. We continue to have in the past. We see that as a big opportunity for us, but nothing to report yet.
Okay. Thank you.
And we do not have any more questions in the queue. You may continue.
Thank you. So I'll turn now to the Investment Manager segment. During the Q3, our momentum continued in the segment with continued strong growth from both new and existing clients. For the Q3 of 2021, revenues for the segment totaled $147,400,000 19% higher as compared to our revenue in the Q3 of 2020. Profit for the Q3 for the segment of $57,800,000 was 31.4% higher as compared to the Q3 of 2020.
3rd party active balances at the end of the Q3 of 2021 were $861,600,000,000 approximately $14,300,000,000 lower than the asset balances at the end of the Q2 of 2021. This decrease was due to net client fundings of a negative $25,600,000,000 offset by market appreciation of $11,300,000,000 The net client funding decrease was driven by 1 client in sourcing their lower fee liquidity product, resulting in a large drop in assets and a much smaller drop in revenue. And turning to market activity during the Q3 of 2021, we had another strong sales quarter with net new business events totaling $15,200,000 in recurring revenue as well as re contracts of $15,800,000 in recurring revenues. Highlights of these events included in our alternative market unit, we closed a number of strategic new names, while our land and expand strategy continues to resonate as sales to existing clients continue to be robust. SEI won the business of a large private equity fund in a very competitive sales process and is currently converting that client off competitors platform.
A highlight of the quarter was our selection as a service provider to an $80,000,000,000 private equity manager outsourcing a fund for the first time, thus adding to our land and expand roster. In our traditional market unit, we continue to add new business in all product lines with both new and existing clients. In particular, our business expansion in our collective trust and ETF solutions is robust. During the quarter, we added 3 new client relationships and expanded relationships with more than 25 clients. We had a multi fund complex during our pioneering advisors in our Circle 40 Act platform.
In Europe, we continue to have solid cross sales with growth mainly in our private client credit clients. And in the family office services unit, we continue to see steady demand for the Archway platform from the single family office market segment and strengthening demand for our outsourcing services in the multifamily office market segment. Our backlog of sold but unfunded new business stands at 30 point $1,000,000 at the end of the 3rd quarter. Turning to the strategic side of the business, I am pleased to announce on October 18, we acquired the assets of Phenomial, an investor lifecycle and compliance cloud native FinTech firm that complements our platforms and solutions in our global regulatory compliance services offering. While not financially material, this transaction adds complementary resources and expertise in cloud development and technology to our employee base.
We are pleased to welcome Meredith Moth and the Binomial team to the SEI family. Finally, during the quarter, we also received final approval on our Luxembourg servicing license, which allows us to start operating fully in Luxembourg. We have established an office and hired our initial staff and look forward to adding our servicing capabilities to this important jurisdiction. That concludes my prepared remarks. And I'll now turn it over for any questions you may have.
And we will go to Owen Lou with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Thank you very much. Steve, could you please remind us your criteria of doing M and A and what area you think it's better to buy versus build? Thank you.
Sure. So I think our criteria has switched where if we feel we can get into an adjacent market, at capabilities and it's better served because the markets move so fast, doing it through an acquisition or strategic partnership versus build, I think we're open for business then. And I think in Finomio's case, we came across a company with just a terrific group of assets from their technology to most importantly, their people and their expertise. And quite frankly, there's a kind of very tough labor market out there. And we looked at this and thought it would just be a great addition to a lot of the products we have in flight to adding some kind of firepower to the solutions products we have and really as we look to build things out for the future.
So we just thought it was a very good match and it made sense for us. I think as we look and go down the path further and I think this product across the company, if we see that an opportunity comes to us that will help us get into a new market, whether that be an adjacent market or completely new market or help us build out substantially our solution platforms, I think we'd be very interested in that. We will not be interested in things just to gain market share or just to buy assets to gain market share. That's not strategic to us. We're very focused on the benefits of an acquisition or strategic partnership, what comes after the actual acquisition to us that's the most important thing.
Got it. That's very helpful. And then in terms of the margin, how should we think about the margin going into next quarter and maybe even 2022? Because I think your margin came down a little bit, but you also mentioned that you're going to make some investments. So how should we think about margin?
Thank you.
I was hoping you
weren't going to add that, Owen. I think I've said this, at this point, I feel like the boy to cry wolf. I've said for the past few quarters, I do not feel where the margin is right now is sustainable, being up close to 40%. It did come down a little bit to 39% and some change this quarter. I do believe, again, at the risk of sounding like the boy who cried wolf, we will see that come down and more in line with the mid-30s, maybe a little higher.
And the reason for that is, we are obviously growing the business and expanding our sales. We're actually implementing those sales more rapidly than we have in the past. The market is very active and we're actually bringing in revenue before the expense of supporting that. That combined with the salary increases that Dennis mentioned, we believe will have an impact in Q4 and going forward. So that will normalize the margins back to where they were historically, we believe.
Got it. That's very helpful. Thanks, Steve.
Sure.
And we will go to Robert Lee with KBW. Please go ahead.
Great. Thanks for taking my questions. And got my margin question already, but I do have a question kind of on, I guess, nowadays, you almost have to feel like on all these calls, you almost have to ask about crypto and crypto assets and capabilities. So I'm just kind of curious and this will be a question for Wayne later, so be prepared. But the can you talk a little bit about in your business, are you seeing a need or demand from your clients to start building out or providing more some of those capabilities, whether it's safekeeping, transaction, however you want to define it for crypto assets?
Yes, Rob. So I think we did cover this a little before.
We not only see the need, we're already there. So we are supporting some crypto funds we have. We do see a demand from our client base and we actually have quite a few inquiries from a number of our clients and prospects on our capabilities. So we do think there is a burgeoning demand for it. What I'd say though is, even with the ones we have, those funds are typically smaller.
While we do see some adoption of them, it's not wide scale adoption. So I think we're in the early innings of this still. I think there's still a concern about regulations around these, how they will take off in wide scale. But there's definitely a question we get asked and we're getting asked in a lot of prospecting meetings on capabilities around crypto. So we actually have a cross functional team across banking, advisor, IMS looking at how this would impact platforms, operations, additional services we might have to offer.
But right now, as far as IMS, we can at least offer the administration and outsourcing services around crypto funds. Great.
That was it. Thanks for taking my question.
Sure.
And the question is from Chris Donat with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Hey, Steve. Thanks for taking my question.
Just want
to ask with the yes, just with Phenomio, it, I thought I heard say that it was cloud native. And I'm wondering how you're thinking about the world and how your clients want you to think about the world in terms of single tenant or multi tenant cloud? Or are your clients expressing a strong opinion? Or do they prefer data centers or on prem? Just where are your clients heads right now in terms of architecture?
I think our clients are very similar to us. I think people realize we have to be on the cloud. I think there's obviously people who still have concerns, especially when you get into some more of the wealth managers and banking side. However, if you look across many of the large institutions, most of them have cloud initiatives or in the middle of them. So we think they're kind of in line with us.
We believe this is inevitable. We believe it's key, it's part of our future. And we believe that expertise and taking all of our platforms to be able to be cloud native, multi tenant is very important. So I think strategically we're very well aligned with our markets.
Got it. Thanks, Steve. Sure.
And I apologize if I get the name, but it is Raheem Hatiya with Morningstar. Please go ahead.
Great. Good afternoon. Can you remind us what your revenue mix is between traditional versus alternative? And how do the traditional versus alternative revenue growth rate compare?
So our split is about 55% alternative,
the remainder traditional. Obviously, the alternative side of the business over the past several years has been higher. What I would say, specifically for this quarter and what we saw the trend starting in Q2, our traditional business had a strong showing as well. So I would say it was close to split down the middle, maybe 55%, 58% alternatives remained traditional. But we are very excited to see kind of a strong push from our traditional clients as well as they expand out their passive management capabilities as well as look for some of our other services around our platforms in middle office.
Got it. Thanks.
Sure.
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Thank you. So I'll now turn it over to Wayne Whitrow to cover the advisor segment. Wayne?
Thanks, Steve. The 3rd quarter reflected continued progress This 21 This 21% increase from the Q3 of last year reflects positive net cash flow as well as lower fee rates on some of our products. Expenses increased compared to the Q3 of last year, primarily due to sub advisor and personnel costs tied to our growth and to a lesser extent, increased investments in our technology platform. Overall, the profit picture for the unit remained intact, despite pressure on asset management revenue rates. Total platform assets rose to $96,000,000,000 at the end of the 3rd quarter and included $82,000,000,000 in assets under management.
Tax flow onto our platform during the quarter was approximately $1,400,000,000 Of this total, dollars 1,100,000,000 represented assets under management and 3 $100,000,000 represented platform only assets. Like was the case in the 2nd quarter, this quarterly AUM and total platform asset cash flow is the strongest we have realized in over 2 years. I believe this is a clear indication that our strategy is working. Contributing to our growth in platform assets were 82 new engaged advisors during the quarter. Our competitive advantages are built upon the technology capabilities in which we have invested and continue to invest.
To this end, we continue to integrate the Orange platform and our goal of a launch this year remains on track. We are also continuing rollout of a fully digital account open and proposal technology as well as enhanced mutual fund and SMA model management and trading automation. While there still remains much to be accomplished, we continue to make progress in execution of our strategy. I welcome any questions you have.
And we have Ryan Kenny with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Hey Wayne, how are you?
Good afternoon, Ryan.
So I heard the comments on your competitive advantages with the Orange acquisition and some of the automation work that you're doing. So wondering if we could just get a broader picture update on the competitive environment. Specifically, there have been a lot of new entrants in the temp space. So I'm wondering if you're mostly competing today with the big players like Envestnet and AssetMark? Or are you seeing more competition from some of the newer entrants?
Yes. I think, to be honest, it will be a mistake just to focus on other firms that compete in this space. I think you also need to look at the broker dealers that are most of our advisors are affiliated with, and they're building sort of complementary platforms where people could take the business in house. So that's also a competitor, and you might not see that as much. So we really compete against those proprietary platforms as well as an AssetMark or an Envestnet or one of these other people.
But I think for us, our advantage is we continue to gain additional traction in the market acceptance of our platform. And in the TAM space, I think that our strong technology which really give us an advantage in that market.
Thanks. That's helpful color.
And our next question is from Robert Lee with KBW. Please go ahead.
Thanks. Good afternoon, Wayne. Hope you're doing okay.
I'm good.
Good.
Can you just kind of refresh our memory on your new cash flows, say, the $1,100,000,000 Just how should we think of that from like an aging perspective? And what I mean by that is, I guess my impression has always been that new advisors or recently added advisors tend to obviously be kind of the tend to be bigger drivers, maybe net flows, whereas advisors have been on the platform for a while, been around, maybe their books of business have less organic growth baked into them. So is that kind of still the case? Are you seeing any kind of changes in kind of how the book of business is flowing overall? Is it still skewed towards the newer advisors?
Yes. I think I mean, you're right. That has always been the case, and we still look at it that way. But the shift we're seeing, and maybe this
is a lot of this
is still on our new technology platform. We're seeing kind of reengagement and a lot more growth coming from our existing book to the point where if you look at the last quarter, most of the growth came from the existing book and not the newer book. And that's been one of our key to success is, they often say, the best new customer is an existing customer. So I think there's been a little bit of shift in that traditional view.
Great. And then maybe I'll ask the same question I just asked Steve with on crypto. So you are hearing from some of the brokers and others who report that they're more of their advisors are getting asked about adding crypto to portfolios or having the capabilities. So can you maybe just talk a little bit of Steve obviously talked about it some, but are you seeing that same from your kind of advisor base and that you have to kind of build that spend more time or money or whatnot building that out or just kind of curious what you're seeing there?
Yes. I mean, I think you need to sort of divide it into 2 separate items. The first Steve addressed, and that is how does crypto fit into your whole processing capabilities and your platform capabilities. And also I defer to Steve's comments, which I agree. And we need to continue to build out that capability.
And a lot of that supports kind of a more of a custodytrading capability. Now the second question is how does this fit into an investment portfolio? And have you modified your investment strategies to operate crypto into asset allocation into the portfolios that you are making available or that you advocate for your clients? I think we're still studying that right now. I don't know that we have an answer for you on that right now.
The processing capability is 1 and how it fits into investment strategy is a different conversation, but further along on the processing side.
Great. That was it. Thanks for taking my questions.
And then the next question is Ryan Bailey with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Hi, Wayne. So I was just wondering, your floors are very strong this quarter, accelerating over the last quarter. I think generally we're seeing accelerating flow trends from some of your peers as well. And clearly there are some firm specific tailwinds which are helping SEI. I was just wondering if you're hearing anything from the new advisors who are joining as to why they're more willing to outsource or use TAMPS now, relative to, call it, 6 or 12 months ago, if anything's changed?
Or was that pent up demand? Or is there something like that?
Yes. I don't know if I'd call it really pent up demand. I think that what I'm seeing is as we have further enhanced our technology platform. And now when we look at some of the capabilities sort of I mentioned earlier in which we are investing, I think our technology platform, and this is not just we call it sort of the TECSTODIAN, the entire business platform, including custody. As that becomes more and more compelling, people are more and more willing to make a change.
So for me, I would say that's the dynamic that's going
on out there.
Got it.
Okay. And also just passing along appreciation for breaking out the platform only assets in the disclosure. Thank you for doing that.
You're welcome.
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Okay. Thank you. With that, I will pass it on to
$1,900,000,000 or US2.6 billion dollars Presently, the UK DC Master Trust Marketplace is £80,000,000,000 according to Go Pensions Limited and is growing rapidly. While not financially material, this transaction significantly increases our competitive presence in the UK DC market and demonstrates our commitment to the Master Trust clients and members. This transaction gives the SEI Master Trust additional scale and the SEI Master Trust has a long term track record of investment results dating back to 2,007. These are important criteria when DC schemes evaluate candidates to serve their members. In addition to the news regarding our U.
K. Master trust, we continue to focus on stabilizing our client base, distinguishing our OCIO platform and selling new OCIO relationships. We are advancing our ECIO platform with global large and mega prospects while making enhancements to the overall platform. Thank you very much and I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have.
And we will go to Robert Lee with KBW. Please go ahead.
Hey. Hi, Paul. How are you?
Good, Robert.
Just curious, maybe I have my notes were wrong, but I guess I recall that there was like a large lot of I think it was like $3,000,000,000 or so of business that you thought you were going to lose in the quarter. Is that still out there? Or did I kind of misunderstand something last quarter?
No. Last quarter, we reported gross sales of $2,600,000,000 and losses of $2,400,000,000 And the majority of that $2,400,000,000 that we reported is out as of ninethirty, which is why the asset balance is down relative to the 6.30 asset balance.
Okay. I guess I misunderstood. I thought there was something else out there you thought you may be losing, but I had the wrong number, I guess. Then maybe going back to the margin, I guess, as it's been holding up really well, although, I mean, obviously, down from where it was a bit, the end of last year and last quarter, but or the Q1, but I know you've talked about it getting back towards kind of out of the 50s range, but it's been pretty sticky. So any reason that it should start to trend down a bit or you feel pretty comfortable that this is where it's going to be for the around here give or take for the foreseeable future?
Yes, I feel a little bit like Steve in the Boy the Cried Wolf about the margin. But I do expect that there's going to be pressure on the margin percentage given fee compressions and rebids, which we've messaged. Travel is increasing, which is good. So certainly not at the levels that we saw pre pandemic, but we are out seeing clients and prospects, which we think is helpful in both retention as well as being able to distinguish ourselves in new business settings. We're hopeful that sales comp increases with greater production around OCIO.
And so just generally given some of those macro things, we think there would probably be some margin pressure over time. We've been holding nicely in the low 50%. And then investing back in the business, including the acquisition of Capita, which would be accretive to earnings, we see relative to just profit, not profit percentage, but making an investment in that business and investment in salespeople as well as being able to get in the marketplace and compete in that very large market of £80,000,000,000 So for those reasons, we're probably going to see ultimately some margin percentage erosion, but we hope by retaining or returning to growth on the top line that the profit itself in absolute terms will increase over time.
Great. And then one last question. Thanks for taking the time. Kind of client mix, if we think of kind of your pipeline or gross sales, any update on how maybe that's shifting more towards endowments, foundations, hospital systems, less DB, just kind of curious how that's evolving?
Yes. We certainly have seen a switch over the years to endowments and foundations and hospitals and some of the non corporate DB, whether that's governmental or multi employer plan or DB plans that aren't being terminated. I mean that's the other thing that we look at when we are thinking about DB defined benefit for new business. Not all plans are on a path to termination. And if they have a life cycle that's longer that's still attractive because that's going to be around for a longer period of time.
So clearly, the mix has diversified more to what I would call evergreen or longer term asset pools. So we're confident where we are in building the pipeline. One of the things that we really like with the larger end of the market segment is we have this continuum of OCIO to ECIO. So we have the ability of walking into a $1,000,000,000 foundation and honestly letting them self select whether a delegation model makes sense for them or whether a model where we would help them be more efficient with an investment team makes sense. We never had that before.
So that actually may pivot some to go to outsourcing because they may decide that that's more palatable for them. It also may pivot some to go to ECIO. But having that continuum, we're not forcing them into one of those categories, which has really been nice on the larger end of the market segment.
Great. Thank you so much.
Thanks, Robert.
And we have a question from Owen Lu with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Thank you for taking my question. Paul, just one quick one from me. ECIO, you just mentioned, could you please talk about the progress there? Started generating any revenue or it's still in the investment and expense stage? Thank you.
Yes. Owen, we've been at it for about a year. We announced it this time about a year ago. So we haven't gotten any over the Goliad yet. There's active suspects and prospects and there's also an evaluation that we continue to do in enhancing the platform specifically around the front end capabilities and analytics.
So a lot of nice work has been done. Suspects are turning to prospects and we're hopeful prospects will turn to clients. We've seen this reality before getting the early ones or the harder ones getting them over the goal line. But we're bullish and we're confident about the capabilities we have there. And again, I'll just harken back to the comments I just said.
And having that continuum to be able to go in the marketplace really gives the buyer a decision to choose as opposed to us pushing them one way or the other. So we're excited about that.
Got it. Thank you very much.
Thanks, Owen.
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Great. I'd like to now turn the call back over to Al West.
Thanks, Paul. So ladies and gentlemen, we are making progress on 2 fronts. On the first front, we are very fortunate to have kept our workforce healthy and productive, delivering a highest level of client service throughout the pandemic. On the second front, we are building momentum throughout our businesses. Please be safe and remain healthy.
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