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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Mar 14, 2023

Operator

Hello, and welcome to the SES AI Corporation fourth quarter earnings call. My name is Alex, I'll be coordinating the call today. If you'd like to ask a question at the end of the presentation, you can press star one on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to withdraw your question, you may press star two. I'll now hand over to your host, Eric Goldstein, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Eric Goldstein
VP of Investor Relations, SES AI

Thank you, operator. Hello, everyone, and welcome to our conference call covering our fourth quarter 2022 results and financial guidance for 2023. Joining me today are Qichao Hu, Founder and Chief Executive Officer, and Jing Nealis, Chief Financial Officer. We issued our shareholder letter just after 7:00 A.M. today, which provides a business update as well as our financial results. You'll find a press release with a link to our shareholder letter and today's conference call webcast in the investor relations section of our website at ses.ai. Before we get started, this is a reminder that discussion today may contain forward-looking information or forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable securities legislation. These statements are based on our predictions and expectations as of today.

Such statements involve certain risks, assumptions, and uncertainties which may cause our actual or future results and performance to be materially different from those expressed or implied in these statements. The risks and uncertainties that could cause our results to differ materially from our current expectations include, but are not limited to, those detailed in our latest earnings release and in our SEC filings. This afternoon, we will review our business as well as results for the quarter. With that, I'll pass it over to Qichao.

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Thanks, Eric. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining our fourth quarter conference call. As the leader in lithium metal batteries, SES continues to evolve and innovate. Despite all the challenges that come with new battery development, we have made some exciting progress that we would like to share with you. 2022 was a difficult but productive year. We built and completed three A-sample lines, one in Shanghai, China, and two in Chungcheongbuk-do, South Korea, one for each of our three OEM JDA partners, GM, Hyundai, and Honda. The necessary level of dedicated engineering, quality, and production output requires us to have dedicated line for each OEM. Importantly, we achieved ready-to-use status for all three A-sample lines under budget and ahead of time.

This experience strongly supports our strategy of building lithium-metal cells using lithium-ion manufacturing process and building A-sample and B-sample in Asia so that we can come back to the U.S. for C-sample in commercial production in the most efficient way possible. SES was the first battery company in the world to introduce 100 Ah lithium-metal cells. The first to enter an automotive A-sample JDA with a major OEM, and the first to encounter all the startup issues that come with producing 100 Ah lithium-metal cells at pilot scale.

As we detailed on our previous earnings call, we encountered countless issues, ranging from ultra thin lithium anodes wrinkling and tearing during large format rolling and lamination, novel electrolyte solvents collapse, electrode stacking misalignment and overhead, powder formation during electrode coating, formation pressure and voltage stability, finding efficient ways to do image scanning on large format cells, and developing proper ways to store, handle, test, and recycle lithium metal cells. One really important thing we have learned over the past decade of development, when our team can identify a specific issue, we are not that far from solving the problem. Over the past year, we have leveraged the deep lithium-ion stacked top cell engineering, manufacturing, and quality experience of our own team and our OEM partners and made a lot of progress.

Identifying and solving these issues has provided great know-how and knowledge for our human engineers and scientists and our machine learning-based algorithm, Avatar. By end of 2022, Avatar could predict 100 Ah cell safety and life with more than 60% accuracy, compared to 0% in the beginning of 2022. In comparison, Avatar could predict 4 Ah cell safety and life with 99% accuracy after three years of data training. Our three A-sample lines provided a platform for us to work closely with each of our OEM partners and get hands-on live feedback. Our partners were stationed in our facilities for months at a time. We attracted top engineering talent and worked with top vendors from around the world. It was accelerated learning for us in manufacturing and quality control.

During the year, we also made significant investment in the province of Chungcheongbuk-do in South Korea. Our investments followed LG Energy Solution investment in the same province, making Chungcheongbuk-do the province with the highest battery production capacity in South Korea. During the fourth quarter of last year, I met with the President of South Korea, Suk-yeol Yoon, to thank him for supporting the industry and helping to build a robust supply chain around the world. I am extremely honored that we were recently awarded cash grants from the South Korean central government, represented by the Ministry of Trade, Industry and Energy, Chungcheongbuk-do Province and Chungju City, which will help us expand our capabilities in South Korea. The thing I am most proud of over the past year is how the entire SES team has worked as one. Our Boston team is developing new electrolytes and anode materials.

Our Chungcheongbuk-do team focuses on assembly equipment and cathode processes. Our Shanghai team focuses on electrolytes, anode manufacturing processes, and cell assembly processes. All of these contributions from our global team are being integrated into a system for our 100 Ah lithium metal cells. We recently summarized our latest large cell test data and published the results on our website. We believe this is the most complete data report on large format lithium metal cells anywhere, and we will continue to publish similar data reports to keep the industry updated. We believe in transparency and are confident that a year from now, when we publish additional reports on our large cells, the data will be even stronger as we continue to improve everything from materials to engineering to manufacturing quality.

As the pioneer in lithium metal, we are also writing new protocols for the proper way to store, handle, and test lithium metal cells and interpret data. We are sharing this information with the battery community to help set new industry standards. To that end, we participated in the recent workshop on lithium metal batteries in San Diego. It was great to see so much excitement from academia, industry, national labs, and government agencies for the future of lithium metal batteries. We expect 2023 to be an exciting year for SES as we are upgrading our manufacturing lines. Here are a few things we are working on internally and with our OEM partners. We're adding CT and X-ray imaging tools custom built for our large 100 Ah cells. We're adding new powder removal tools to remove all metal powders rising from the electrical punching process.

We're developing entirely new anode processes, from ingot, to thick foils, to thin foils, and to the final anode to better control quality and performance. We're coding cathodes in-house to better control quality and experiment with new formulations. We are scaling up novel solvent and salt production lines to better control quality and speed up the feedback cycle from designing new solvent molecules to getting data and making conclusions. Perhaps the most important thing for 2023 is that we are preparing for B-samples. This year, we plan to take our collective knowledge and experiences from our A-sample lines, and we will design and build new B-sample lines. Our A-sample lines are semi-automated with a capacity of about 0.2 cells per minute or five minutes per cell. B-sample lines will be fully automated with about five cells per minute.

Having the ability to produce more cells and generating more meaningful data on a far greater universe of experiments will further accelerate our human and machine learning, which will also allow Avatar's prediction accuracy for cell life and safety to increase quickly. Importantly, these new lines will also go a long way to proving the manufacturing feasibility and scalability of our practical approach to making lithium metal cells. As part of our preparation for B-samples, we plan to double our material R&D team, double our cell engineering team, double our manufacturing team, and nearly triple our quality team. This increase in our headcount is a natural evolution of our growth as a company and is reflected in our financial guidance for 2023.

We will also hire a new chief manufacturing officer who has experience in running cell engineering, manufacturing and quality management, and working with global OEMs to commercialize new battery technology. Compared to the major lithium-ion producers like CATL and LG Energy Solution that have more than 3,000 quality checkpoints, we currently have about 200 quality checkpoints. Once we enter B-sample agreements with our OEM partners, we can no longer benchmark ourselves against other battery startups. We will be playing in the big leagues and will be held to the same standards that the OEMs currently use for commercial lithium-ion producers. With the dedication of our global team, the accelerated learning of Avatar, and the support of our OEM partners and vendors, we are confident that we will face the new challenges and overcome them as we continue to enter uncharted territory.

SES is profoundly American, with its roots in the basement lab of MIT back in 2012. At the same time, SES is also profoundly global with its talent and partners from around the world. As we prepare for B-samples and commercial production beyond that, we are preparing to expand back home in the U.S. This includes preparing for production capabilities for lithium metal cells, novel lithium salts and electrolytes, and lithium metal anodes. SES plans to leverage the experiences from global lithium-ion players, new material innovations, new machine learning tools for safety and life prediction and quality management, and the abundant natural resources in North America. In 2021, we were the world's first to enter automotive A-samples for lithium metal. In 2022, we laid the groundwork for transitioning to B-samples.

In 2023, we will transition to B-samples and lay the groundwork for C-samples, commercial production beyond that, and building a robust next generation EV battery supply chain here in North America. I will now turn the call over to Jing Nealis, our Chief Financial Officer, to review our fourth quarter results and outlook.

Jing Nealis
CFO, SES AI

Thank you, Qichao. Good afternoon, everyone. Today, I will cover our fourth quarter financial results and discuss our operating and capital budgets for full year 2023. In the first quarter, our operating expenses were $20.7 million, an increase of $10.6 million from the same period last year. Stock-based compensation expense was $6.8 million in the quarter. We reported R&D expenses of $8.3 million, an increase of $3.1 million from the same period last year. This increase reflects higher personnel costs due to increased head count to support battery cell development, an increase in lab consumables and material supply, and an increase in development costs related to our advanced AI software and battery management systems.

Our growth R&D spend in the fourth quarter was $13.5 million, which was offset by $5.2 million billed to our OEM partners, which are treated as contra-R&D expenses. Our G&A expenses were $12.5 million, an increase of $7.5 million from the same period last year. Similar to the third quarter, this increase was primarily driven by higher personnel costs to support our operations as a public company, higher insurance costs, and an increase in professional fees and outside services. We incurred a non-cash gain of $9 million at the end of the quarter, associated with a change in fair value of our sponsor earnout liability.

As we have previously outlined, certain tranches of our sponsor earnout shares are accounted for as a derivative liability measured at fair value based on the price of our common stock at the end of the quarter. For full year 2022, cash used in our operations was $46.5 million, and was less than our previously provided guidance of $55 million-$60 million. The lower level of spending reflects a combination of some conservatism on our part and lower overall spending for bill of materials. Despite the lower level of spending, we were moving forward with our OEM partners, and they're on track to transition to B- samples this year. CapEx for the full year was $14.7 million and was below previously provided guidance of $20 million-$25 million. Lower CapEx in 2022 was mainly due to payment timing.

Looking at liquidity, our balance sheet remains very strong. We ended 2022 with a much higher than expected level of cash and short-term investments of $390 million, which we continue to believe is sufficient funding to get to commercialization. For 2023, we are providing the following financial guidance. We expect cash usage from operations to be in the range of $80 million-$100 million, and CapEx in the range of $50 million-$70 million. We expect total cash usage for the year in the range of $130 million-$170 million. This higher level of spending is necessary to support our growth as we expect to transition from A-samples to B-samples in 2023. Significant areas of spending in 2023 include the following. Headcount.

We expect to double the size of our teams in material development, cell development, and systems development, and triple the size of our quality team in order to continue improve our battery performance, establish a robust cell engineering design manufacturing platform, and significantly improve our safety prediction algorithm. Lab expansion. We plan to expand our U.S. lab space to further strengthen our fundamental electrolyte and anode material development capabilities. Equipment and manufacturing facilities. We will work with our OEM partners to build highly automated production lines and highly efficient manufacturing facilities to support B-samples development. We will also work closely with our OEM partners on quality and yield improvement initiatives and will upgrade our existing manufacturing lines by adding new tools as outlined by Qichao. Materials.

We expect to spend more in this area as we anticipate manufacturing at higher volumes to meet our OEM partners' needs as well as our own development needs. 2023 is shaping up to be an exciting year of growth and investment for SES. We appreciate the support of our shareholders, employees, and OEM partners. With that, I will hand the call back to Eric.

Eric Goldstein
VP of Investor Relations, SES AI

Thanks, Jing. Alex, can you open the line for questions now?

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, you can press star one on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to withdraw your question, you may press star two. Please ensure you unmute it locally when asking your question. Our first question for today comes from Winnie Dong of Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Winnie Dong
VP of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Hi, thank you so much for taking my questions. First question is, could you give us a sense of, like, maybe the type of feedback that you've been getting from your JDA partners from, you know, the A-sample cells? Again, for B-sample cells this year, perhaps maybe a sense of timeline for it. For delivery, is it still sort of like a midyear target? Thanks.

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Winnie. We've been sending samples to our three JDA partners for testing really since the beginning that we entered into A-sample back in 2021. Just over the past two years or so, we made a lot of progress, both in terms of the material performance as well as manufacturing feasibility. The one key aspect of all three A-sample JDAs is basically to demonstrate the manufacturing feasibility of lithium metal cells. The fact that we built three A-sample lines, we both tested and delivered total about 1,000 of these large lithium metal cells just last year, also improved the performance of these cells quite a lot.

That overall gave the audience confidence with the, both the performance that we demonstrated as well as the manufacturing feasibility. This is why we are preparing to enter the next phase. In terms of timing of the B- sample, I mean, the B- sample is really. It's not like a single point milestone. It's not like today you all of a sudden go from A- sample to B- sample. It's a process. For us, when or, this B- sample itself is not really about marketing for us. It's this, it's this gradual progress that will happen this year. Basically continue to demonstrate the manufacturing feasibility at a much higher level, much better quality, much higher outputs. It will happen around mid this year.

Whether or when we're gonna make announcements, that's another story that I really don't care about. Fundamentally, the company will enter into B-sample, and then it's a very core milestone. It's a validation both to the material improvements as well as the manufacturing feasibility that we have demonstrated.

Winnie Dong
VP of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Thanks so much. Okay, thank you so much. As you look ahead to sort of like 2023, I know you've, you know, talked about sort of like headcount expansion, and, you know, equipment and manufacturing facilities, and then continue to, you know, invest in materials and things like that. If you were to maybe, like, boil it down to a few sort of like key milestones to achieve by year-end, you know, what can we look to as sort of like the scorecard by this year?

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Yeah. A few things. One is quality. Last year, I would say that was the first year we started doing pilot scale manufacturing of these large cells, and the quality was actually pretty bad. This is why we had a lot of issues that we addressed. This year, the quality basically needs to be at an entirely new level. Also SES as an organization, when we were in A-sample, we still had sort of a startup organization. Now as we prepare for the next phase in the B-sample and then project management, quality management, manufacturing, supply chain, all these managements will really enter into an entirely new level.

We are putting systems in place to really make SES as an organization a lot more capable at manufacturing and quality. One key thing is not just band-aid improvements to improve the quality, but fundamentally improving the organization so it's capable of a much higher level of quality and manufacturing management. I think this is probably the biggest milestone. At the same time, I mentioned earlier, the A-sample is about 0.2 CPMs, so five minutes per cell. B-sample roughly is about five cells per minute. The speed at which we need to build these cells will be much, much higher while entering into a new level of quality.

A couple other milestones, including some of the new materials that we've been working on, new electrolytes, new anodes, and then the scaling up of these materials. Because we'll be making cells at much higher speed, that means all these new materials that we've developed, we'll also need to make these materials at much higher volume.

Winnie Dong
VP of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Got it. Thank you so much. If I can squeeze one in, this one's for Jing. I guess on your cash using operation and the cash expense for 2024, you came in sort of like much lower. Can you just remind us what were the factors that contributed to like sort of the lower spending? Could that also be, you know, some conservatism baked into your 2023 numbers?

Jing Nealis
CFO, SES AI

For 2022, the lower level of spending is part of that is just being conservative and be careful with our cash. The second part is really as Qichao mentioned in the last earnings call, that we are focusing on building cells just to solve issues, not just to build cells for the sake of building them. We build less cells in 2022 comparing to the original plan. Those are some of the drivers for 2022. For 2023, I think as I mentioned during the call, a lot of these fundings go into the growth part of our business.

We have a pretty aggressive hiring plan. We're pulling forward some of the spendings to build B-sample lines so that we can be ready to transition into B-sample this year with our OEM partners.

Winnie Dong
VP of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Great. Thank you so much for taking my question. Pass it on.

Jing Nealis
CFO, SES AI

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Gabe Daoud from TD Cowen. Gabe, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Gabe Daoud
Equity Research Analyst, TD Cowen

Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking my question and for all the detailed remarks so far. Qichao, I was hoping maybe just at a high level, you could provide some of your thoughts around one of your OEM partners, GM, potentially shifting towards cylindrical cells, versus pouch with Samsung. Has been kinda reported recently in the news. Just curious if you worry or you just think about maybe OEMs continuing to make a shift towards cylindrical as a way to optimize costs at the expense of higher performing anodes via pouch cells. Just any color on that would be helpful.

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

I can comment on the particular choice of formats, especially for GM. One thing that we are working on with all the OEMs is basically trying to find the optimal form factor at the end. For example, is it gonna be a 100 Ah pouch cell? Is it gonna be a 100 Ah stack, but then prismatic cell? Is it gonna be a 70 Ah ? Is it gonna be a 60 Ah ? Is it gonna be a 50 Ah ? What is the final optimal basically cell design? That's actually part of this A -sample and B- sample work.

We are testing, for example, 100 Ah , 70 Ah , 60 Ah with, for example, high-nickel cathodes, blended cathodes, different types of cathodes. Because the final cell, the final format is going to be based on a holistic consideration of safety, performance, cost, several factors. The fact that we build 100 Ah stacked pouch cells doesn't mean that we will end up actually putting 100 Ah cells inside the car. It's more to understand the boundary of the limitations. The final cell might very well be a 70 Ah cell.

All this, we build A-samples and also B-samples, and then we improve the quality and then increase the production output so that we can collect more data and then also run more experiments faster. We and our OEM JDA partners can make all these decisions based on data. We haven't. And that's what we've been focusing on, stacked pouch cells, maybe stacked prismatic cells, and then also with different cathodes and also just the capacity of the cells. We'll also test a range of different capacities, so we can find the optimal final cell design that we can actually put inside a vehicle, based on a complete, a very holistic consideration of lots of different factors.

Gabe Daoud
Equity Research Analyst, TD Cowen

Got it. Okay, that's helpful. Then, you mentioned data, so maybe a good segue into a question on Avatar. You noted some of the challenges that actually enabled you to drive an improvement in tracking or predicting cell safety on the larger amp hour cells with 60% accuracy versus 0% in the beginning of the year. Then the smaller cells have 99% accuracy. Could you maybe just talk a little bit more about Avatar and the progression there and some of the improvements there that you're seeing?

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Yes. We really found Avatar is a necessity. Beginning of last year, beginning of 2022, because we didn't really have any large cell data, and Avatar is basically very data-driven, so we had zero capability to predict anything to the larger cells because we just didn't have any data to begin with. We collected more data, and these larger cells are actually quite different from the smaller cells. For example, the impedance is much lower, and any variation in impedance and, you know, a lot of the parameters that we use to predict health and life in small cells just simply don't work when we scale up to the larger cells. We had to develop new parameters.

Also, we also had to collect a wider spectrum of data. For example, the smaller cells with the current voltage and temperature. Now we're doing current voltage, temperature, and pressure. Pressure is a really important factor in predicting health and safety of these large lithium metal cells. Also based on the data that we collect, we also both through a combination of internal physics-based models where we actually predict health based on actual fundamental physics mechanism, as well as just machine learning models that actually recommended very interesting parameters. Now with more data, last year, in 2022, we had A-sample lines, we built and we tested about 1,000 of these cells.

Based on that data pool, we got about 60% accuracy. As we prepare to enter B -sample with much better quality, much better consistency, and much higher output, we expect both the quality of the data as well as the size of the data pool to significant growth. That will significantly improve the accuracy of Avatar for the larger cells even faster.

Gabe Daoud
Equity Research Analyst, TD Cowen

Got it. Thanks, Qichao. Thanks, everyone.

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, you can press star one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from Shawn Severson from Water Tower. Shawn, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Shawn Severson
CEO and Founding Partner, Water Tower Research

Great. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Qichao, I wanted to go back to the B -samples this year and look at kind of two things, what gives you the confidence that, you know, they'll be achieved this year. Second to that, has this economic environment or call it the volatility, have you sensed any changes in how OEMs are looking at things and timing, or they're just kind of plowing right through this because they have to?

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Yeah. On the first one, well, I mean, A-sample, B-sample, these are not really magic, right? There's a formula behind it. It's a step-by-step, very clear process behind it. Last year we were in A, we had a lot of quality issues, the volume was just not so high. We've addressed and solved a lot of them. Also, to accelerate the learning. Lithium metal is a totally new thing. Before the industry put lithium-ion into cars, lithium-ion was used in consumer electronics and laptops and other industries for a long time. The automotive industry already has a lot of data, a lot of experience with lithium-ion.

Now, because lithium metal is totally new, and also, we improve the quality and manufacturing feasibility to a level so that we were ready to take this to a new level so that we can actually manufacture more cells and then collect more data. One of the key reasons of doing B-sample is A-sample was still not fast enough, and just the amount of data and the amount of experience that we and our OEM JV partners collected just was not fast enough. We wanna go to B-sample so we can have this data and learning much faster. This is why we are preparing to enter into B.

We couldn't do that earlier, because we still had some pretty key sort of quality issues. Then it didn't make sense to enter into B-sample without solving these issues. Now we've solved a lot of the core quality issues and also we are putting systems and then also upgrading the organization. So it's time to enter into B-sample. It'll be accelerated learning compared to A-sample. Yeah, this is why we and the OEM partners are planning to enter into B-sample. It's not magic. It's.

Shawn Severson
CEO and Founding Partner, Water Tower Research

Great. And then-

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Um, the fact-

Shawn Severson
CEO and Founding Partner, Water Tower Research

Nor is that economically sensitive or anything like that. This is just a natural progression that isn't gonna be really delayed for any reason, I guess, because like you said, it's all formulaic, right?

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Correct. I mean, the economic environment so far hasn't really impacted the A-sample, B-sample decision.

Shawn Severson
CEO and Founding Partner, Water Tower Research

In your conversations with OEMs, I know it's a bit of a guessing game, but when you look out, you know, when they're thinking like model year, you know, production for something like this, if you're in A and you're going to B this year, what does that translate into in the timing when in their minds they'd be thinking about production scale?

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Yeah. I can't really go into details of that. I mean, if you think about we're going to B this year, and then end of 2024, C. We talk about 2025, 2026, basically a new model vehicle being introduced.

Shawn Severson
CEO and Founding Partner, Water Tower Research

Introduced. Okay. Last question is on the supply chain. Obviously lots of focus in the industry, domestic production and, you know, all the things we all know very well. You've been focused on that for, you know, even before the Inflation Reduction Act and all of these things. Just wanted an update. Are you seeing that really come together? I mean, has there been a good push as you see it through your supply chain to meet those deliverables when the time comes, you know, for large scale production?

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Yes, I mentioned earlier, we're really targeting 2025, 2026 for the larger scale introduction of lithium metal into vehicles. Already right now in 2023, we and then a few suppliers were planning to implement capabilities for lithium salts, electrolytes, and then also lithium refining capabilities in North America. A lot of these implementations will take about two years. By the time 2025 comes, lithium metal is ready for commercial, several of the key materials, at least from my perspective, at least from our perspective, electrolyte and lithium anode will also be sourced in North America. We are preparing both the cell level as well as the material level in parallel.

Shawn Severson
CEO and Founding Partner, Water Tower Research

Great. Thanks, Qichao. I'll drop back in the queue.

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Thank you, sir.

Operator

Thank you. We currently have no further questions for today, so I'll hand back to Qic hao for any further remarks.

Qichao Hu
Founder and CEO, SES AI

Yeah. Back in 2021, we were the first to enter automotive A-sample. Last year, 2022, that's when we really started manufacturing lithium metal cells in pilot scale. It was really difficult because it was something no one has done before. We encountered a lot of issues, and we were very transparent on those issues, but we also made tremendous progress solving these. Now, entering B-sample, it's not a magic. It's just a natural next step, and it will be a huge milestone, not just for us, but the entire industry. It will be a huge validation for our practical approach to making lithium metal cells using lithium-ion manufacturing process. It's something that we've been talking about since the beginning. Also, it'll be a huge step forward for our OEM partners.

We made a lot of progress, but still a lot of work to do. I hope everyone will stay tuned, and we'll provide lots more exciting updates later. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for joining today's call. You may now disconnect your lines.

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