Hello, and welcome to the SkyWest, Inc. 1st Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note, today's event is being recorded.
I'd now like to turn over the conference to Bob Simmons, Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Simmons, please go ahead.
Thanks everyone for joining us on the call today. As the operator indicated, this is Rob Simmons, SkyWest's Chief Financial Officer. On the call with me today are Chip Childs, President and Chief Executive Officer Wade Steele, Chief Commercial Officer and Eric Woodward, Chief Accounting Officer. I'd like to start today by asking Eric to read the Safe Harbor. Then I will turn the time over to Chip for some comments.
Following Chip, I will take us through the financial results, then Wade will discuss the fleet and related flying arrangements. Following Wade, we will have the customary Q and A session with our sell side analysts. Eric?
Today's discussion contains forward looking statements that represent our current beliefs, expectations and assumptions regarding future events and are subject to risks and uncertainties. We assume no obligation to update any forward looking statement. Actual results will likely vary and may vary materially from those anticipated, estimated or projected for a number of reasons. Some of the factors that may cause such differences are included in our 2020 Form 10 ks and other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange And now, I'll turn the call over to Chip.
Thank you, Rob and Eric. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call today. 1 year ago at this time, we were only beginning to feel the massive impact of COVID-nineteen around the world and across our industry. We've learned much over this past year, and we continue to make good progress on our strategy to emerge from this crisis as a better, stronger company. I want to thank our outstanding team of professionals for their continued teamwork, flexibility and dedication in order to deliver an exceptional product in any situation.
We made some good headway toward recovery in the Q1 and while there's still ground to cover, we're seeing strong demand improvement. We are working across all areas of the operation to ensure we're quick and responsive to what our partners need from us to lead the recovery. Under previously announced agreements, we took delivery of 1 new CRJ900 for Delta and placed 9 used CRJ700s into our American system. We still have 16 more aircraft to transition into our American network this year, and we're making maintenance investments With those aircraft as we bring them out of storage and get them ready for profitable operations. As I just mentioned, we are seeing significant demand for all of our products.
These maintenance investments are a critical part of our long term strategy to build reliability into our fleet as well as preparing for what we will be a busy summer ahead. Wade will talk more about our maintenance programs and associated costs in a minute. During the quarter, we also began hiring mechanics, flight attendants and just recently accepting pilot applications once again. We continue to advance our commitment to diversity through important partnerships with organizations across the industry to ensure we continue attracting the best professionals to join our team. In addition to receiving a Glassdoor Employees' Choice Award for the 2nd year in a row, As previously announced, we're also named to Forbes America's Best Employers 2021 list during the Q1, Once again, it's the only regional airline on the list.
We're always working to set SkyWest apart as a leader in the industry and as an exceptional employer. I'm incredibly proud of our outstanding team of professionals for their network that helps us continue to advance. Thank you. As vaccinations across the U. S.
Increase, it's clear people are anxious to resume a sense of normalcy, Including travel. We're seeing more leisure travels onboard all aircraft and there is some reason for optimism in terms of demand, especially for SkyWest fleet and product. We believe our ability to deliver a solid product is more important than ever as we work with our partners to Our operational performance for the quarter improved year over year with a 99.97 completion Adjusted for weather and nearly 81% of our flights departing on time. Our teams work hard through severe weather events impacting our operations across Texas and Colorado, and I want to thank them for their teamwork and diligence through these challenges. During the Q1, we reported net income of $36,000,000 driven by a slight improvement in production over quarter mainly due to prorate seasonality and temporary PSP2 related partner concessions.
These concessions are temporary ways We can support our partners through the current challenges. In terms of liquidity, we had $836,000,000 cash at quarter end. And while we have until the end of May to decide further participation, we do not expect to draw additional funds Under the CARES Act secured loan facility, Rob will discuss more about this in a minute. Over the past several months, SkyWest has seen strong utilization compared to our competitors. The Q1 is Seasonally the weakest for our industry, but in Q1, we did see an increase from the Q4 of 2020.
While the second and third quarters will still have lower production than 2019 levels, we anticipate the Q4 of 2021 Will be similar to the Q4 of 2019 production levels pending continued recovery. Ensuring we're a solid partner is critical to our business and our ongoing agility remains a key component to our recovery strategy. While we are still below 2019 levels, we remain optimistic about the shape of the recovery so far. As demand returns, we're confident our fleet will continue to fill a critical role in the country's return to travel. We are focused on remaining aggressive and deliberate In taking care of our people and our customers as we preserve our liquidity and plan for recovery to Ensure we emerge as a better, stronger company.
Rob will now take us through the financial data.
Today, we reported 1st quarter net income of $36,000,000 or $0.71 diluted earnings per share. Q1 pre tax income was $50,000,000 Our diluted share count for Q1 was 50,700,000 shares And our effective tax rate in Q1 was 28.2%. First, let's talk about revenue. Total Q1 revenue of $535,000,000 is down 27% from Q1 2020 And is down 9% from last quarter. Although our Q1 block hour production was up 3% sequentially from Q4, as Chip mentioned, The sequential reduction in revenue was primarily driven by PSP2 related temporary partner revenue concessions and prorate But not in Q4 2020 or Q1 2020.
Pro rate revenue is still down 32% year over year And was down 4% from last quarter due to seasonality. As we've previously said, pro rate revenue is nicely levered to a demand recovery. Leasing and other revenue is up 14% year over year and 18% sequentially. These GAAP results include the effect of a deferral of $21,000,000 of revenue this quarter compared to $111,000,000 during 2020. As of the end of Q1, we have $132,000,000 of cumulative deferred revenue That will be recognized in future periods.
As discussed last quarter, the timing and amount of future deferrals and the reversal thereof into revenue Depends on the shape and cadence of the recovery of our flying. All deferred revenue will be reversed into revenue by the end of the various Let's move to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with cash of $836,000,000 up from $826,000,000 last quarter. Our CapEx during the Q1 was $56,000,000 for 4 used aircraft, spare engines and other fixed assets. Our expectation for 2021 CapEx is approximately $650,000,000 to $700,000,000 Including the purchase of 18 new E175s later this year under our previously announced contract with American, This compares to $438,000,000 in CapEx in 2020.
We ended Q1 with debt of $3,100,000,000 Down from $3,200,000,000 as of year end 2020. Let's talk about liquidity. As of March 31, 2020, our cash position was $836,000,000 in addition to availability of $665,000,000 undrawn in our CARES Act loan and approximately $40,000,000 available on our revolving line of credit. We have until later in May 2021 to decide how much in additional draws we will make under the CARES Act secured loan facility, if any. Based on the high cost of warrant coverage of any additional draws on that facility, it is likely that we will not draw any additional amounts and may choose to also repay the $60,000,000 outstanding currently on that facility And let that additional availability go.
This would release $1,500,000,000 of pledged collateral under this government facility. During Q1, dollars 193,000,000 in PSP2 grants was recognized as income in the form of a contra expense laid out clearly as its own line item in our P and L. This is a change from grant income of only $3,000,000 recognized in Q4. Subsequent to quarter end, SkyWest entered into an agreement with the U. S.
Treasury for approximately $250,000,000 in funding Under the PSP-three program for airlines, dollars 45,000,000 of this amount represents a low interest, no amortization 10 year loan, $205,000,000 of the $250,000,000 is a payroll grant expected to be recorded as income largely in Q2 and Q3 2021. Under PSP3, SkyWest will issue the U. S. Treasury Department warrants to purchase approximately 78,317 shares of SkyWest common stock At a strike price of $57.47 Also, subsequent to quarter end, SkyWest received an additional $35,000,000 top up to PSP2. This top up breaks down as $10,000,000 in debt $25,000,000 in grants with warrants to purchase 25,958 shares of SkyWest common stock at a strike price of $40.41 Last quarter, we estimated that we would burn cash in the first half of 2021 at a rate of about $250,000 per day or $7,000,000 per month.
Based on March ending cash of $836,000,000 we are running a bit better than our forecast. We expect to be slightly cash positive in the first half of twenty twenty one before the possible voluntary repayment of the $50,000,000 outstanding under our CARES Act secured loan. Depending on the pace of the recovery, we could be cash positive in the second half of We have additional liquidity tools that we can call on, including our cash balances, our revolver and either $665,000,000 of undrawn availability under our secured CARES Act loan facility or the $1,500,000,000 of collateral That frees up if we decide to let that facility expire next month. In addition to our strong core liquidity position, We are expecting 2021 2022 to be years where we continue to focus on our balance sheet. As of March 31, 2021, our debt net of cash balance is actually $200,000,000 lower Than it was as of the end of the year 2019.
In 2021, we expect to repay over $400,000,000 And principal debt balances related to existing aircraft financing. Of course, we continue to expect to take delivery of aircraft in 2021 that as usual will be financed with long term debt financing. But over the next couple of years, we expect to reduce our absolute debt balance while maintaining strong liquidity. During Q1, the debt on another 24 used aircraft was fully repaid. Including partner owned aircraft, over 50% of our fleet in service now has no financing obligation.
We also continue to have minimal tail risk of around $100,000,000 the dollar delta between financing term and contract term on our fleet. Our next pocket of tail risk is now out to late 2022. Especially in times of great uncertainty like this And consistent with our policy and practice, we are not in a position to give any specific EPS guidance at this time. But let me give you a little color. Ignoring the effect of PSP3 net of related temporary partner concessions, We expect Q2 earnings to be close to breakeven, with the second half of twenty twenty one likely positive both in earnings and cash flow.
Continued headwinds to our model include several factors I'd like to call out. Number 1, Our pro rate business was still unprofitable in Q1. Wade will talk more about this in a minute. Number 2, Maintenance expense was up $17,000,000 from Q4 as we continue to prepare our fleet for a busy summer. Maintenance expense for 2021 will likely continue at the current run rate before finding a new lower normal level later in 2022.
And number 3, deferred revenue was $21,000,000 in Q1 2021 and now it's a cumulative 132,000,000 We expect to defer additional revenue until later in 2021 when it could start to reverse. And now some tailwinds. Number 1, production is trending higher into the summer with good demand for our product. Number 2, New PSP3 program brings us $205,000,000 in grant income to be recognized in Q2 and Q3 Before any new temporary partner concessions. And number 3, deferred revenue may begin reversing later in 2021, pending the timing of the recovery.
We are excited that the actions we are taking now and expect to take over the next few quarters Are setting us up nicely for the new normal in the future. Wade?
Thank you, Rob. I'll provide a fleet and production status update as well as an update on our prorate and leasing businesses. To update by partner, during the quarter, We put 9 CRJ700s into service with American, bringing our total CRJ700s under contract with American to 74. We anticipate placing 16 additional CRJ700s into service from our existing fleet throughout the remainder of the year, Bringing our American CRJ700 fleet total to 90 by year end. These 25 aircraft Have been in long term storage for the past few years and have required a lot of maintenance to return to service.
We also have 20 new E175 scheduled for American service in 2022, with delivery scheduled from Q3 of this year to the first quarter of 2022. This will bring our total American fleet to 110 in 2022. Let me briefly talk about our Delta agreement. During the Q1, we took delivery of 1 new CRJ900 900 under our Delta agreement. The aircraft is owned and financed by Delta.
As of March 31, 2021, we have 116 aircraft under our Delta under contract with Delta. During the quarter, we worked with All of our major partners on the 2nd round of contract concessions that included temporary rate reductions. These concessions are reflected in our 1st quarter results. We expect to bring we expect to work with our major partners during the second and third quarters for a third round of concessions. Let me review our current production.
During the Q1, our completed block hours were down by approximately 23% compared to the same quarter last Based on the current schedules we have from our major partners for the Q2 of 2021, we anticipate that our block hours will be up that our block hours will be down by approximately 5% compared to Q3 2019 and the Q4 will be approximately the fill an important need for our major partners. While the majority of the reductions in block hours have been on the CRJ200 fleet, Our Q1 E175 block hours were down by 3% compared to Q1 last year, while our Q1 CRJ200 block hours were down by 53%. Let me talk a little bit about our prorate business. During the Q1, we reduced our prorate block hours by 6% and revenue decreased by 32% or approximately $32,000,000 Compared to Q1 2020, we anticipate our prorate block hours for Q2 to be up by approximately 14% And the pro rate revenue to increase by 30% as compared to Q1 2021 as we see demand beginning to recover. Our prorate model is nicely levered to the recovery.
With prorate revenue down 32%, We expect the incremental revenue coming back to the prorate business will have attractive margin characteristics. Let me shift gears to our leasing business. Last quarter, we announced that we signed a purchase agreement to acquire 13 additional used CRJ700. As of today, we have closed on 5 of the 13 aircraft and expect to close on the others throughout 2021. We are working with several parties For SkyWest to either operate or lease these aircraft, following the purchase of these 13 aircraft, We will own or control 169 CRJ700 aircraft.
We are fortunate to be in a unique position to purchase these aircraft As we believe, the CRJ700 is an exceptional asset that will continue to set SkyWest apart with strong demand from our major partners. Let me talk briefly about our current maintenance expense, which is up $44,000,000 or 27% from Q1 2020. The increase is primarily due to anticipated recovery of our flying and bringing the 25 aircraft from the American agreement Out of long term storage. We currently have 30 lines of heavy maintenance at our 3rd party providers, And the ramp up of these suppliers have been slower than anticipated. To provide some context, This level of maintenance is unprecedented in our history.
We anticipate that we will continue maintenance at roughly these levels through this year and Reducing risk and enhancing fleet and financing flexibility to ensure we're well positioned. We are committed to continuing our work with
Okay. Operator, we're ready for our sell side Q and A.
Yes. Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And the first question comes from Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.
Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Hey, just a couple here. If I could start with the temporary rate reductions. So if I heard you correctly, Rob, the second Phase was obviously this March quarter, right? And there was nothing in the Q4 Of last year, the Q1.
So the first phase, I think, covered the 2nd Q3 of 2020. And I think we have a 3rd phase that will be in the 2nd Q3 2021, is that the timing on these temporary rate reductions, the concessions?
Yes, that's correct.
Have you called out the magnitude of those reductions in your Qs? Or can you give us a feel? Or how do they tie When we look at deferred revenue, is that a good guide as that builds up to give us a sense of what these reductions are? I'm just I'm trying to get a sense here for the magnitude and I don't want to double count on a couple of items here.
Yes, Michael, this is Wade. So On the temporary rate so on the temporary rate reductions, we've been working with our partners for several quarters. As you said, during the second, Q3 of last There were temporary rate reductions this quarter. We're not going to get into the magnitude of these, but they are significant. We've worked with them.
We want to make sure we're a good partner and we're proactively helping them with their businesses and their recovery as well.
So, Wade, as I think about modeling forward though, because these are temporary, when they come back as well as a reversal in deferred revenue, As we go out to 2022, 2023, there will be a meaningful bump up, right? Is that?
Yes. Mike, look, as we talked about for the rest of the year where we expect Q2 to be in the breakeven neighborhood and then positive earnings in Q3 and Q4. That is ignoring the effect of the net effect of the PSP grant income that will come in over Q2 Q2 and Q3 and the partner concessions related to that, that will also come in over Q2 and Q3. So that guidance, just to be clear, was before any PSP3 noise in those numbers.
Okay. That's helpful. Then Wade, I'll probably hit you on this question as it relates to the 18 American airplanes. So they're coming, I guess, 2018 are going to come in the 3rd Q4, 2 are going to come in 2020 2, you're going to incur the CapEx this year. It's pretty sizable.
But it looks like they're not going to go into service until the March quarter Of 2022, so are you just going to deliver them to American and get some sort of compensation We're not. I'm just it seems like there's like a 2, 3 quarter mismatch between when the planes come in and when they actually go into productive service. I'm curious about the timing on that.
Yes. So you're right. So we have 20 new 175 coming in. And as you said, the majority of those are coming in, in Q3 and Q4 of this year. And we've worked with either the OEM or The partner to cover the cost associated with carrying those for a little bit.
Okay, okay. That's great. And then just My last one, this is just on pilots. Hard to believe, we obviously were dealing with a pilot shortage and then I At one point, we thought we all of a sudden went from a deficit to surf it. And now all of a sudden, everybody's hiring again, Including yourselves as well as new entrants, Avelo, Breeze and even carriers like ExpressJet, it looks like that they're going to be Cardinated as a prorate operator.
So I'm curious sort of where your pipeline is Tie into either flight schools and are we going to go from a situation where we felt we were going to have a lot of pilots But because of the PSP and new entrants coming into the market, that it's actually going to get pretty tight pretty quickly combined with the fact that We have a slew of retirements across the industry. I mean, you've got a pretty great workforce. So it's a broad question there, but I'm just curious if we're going Running into pilot problems over the next 6 to 12 months. Thanks.
So, Mike, It's Chip. Thanks, Chip. That's a great question. And I think that it's teed us up really, really well. And It's almost like we want to go back to where we were over a year ago.
You remember the conversation we had on previous Pre COVID earnings calls that we are built for a pilot shortage. We have 300 schools that we work with, and we had a very strong machine going And tremendous demand to come fly at SkyWest. Now, I will say this, as we opened the doors back a couple of weeks ago To start hiring again, bringing guys back to class, getting the pipeline up, we were astonished at the response. And I mean, we knew it would be strong because of how we've managed through the pandemic. We've had a lot of Incredible awards and things happen to us as we've tried to manage through what's happened this last year.
And I think it goes to show The demand to come at SkyWest. So I would say, honestly, we've been overwhelmed at the demand to come here. We've been pleasantly surprised. I don't think that SkyWest is Going to have a problem anytime in the next foreseeable future. Long term, is it going to get tight?
Possibly. But So far, there's still very strong supply, and there's a lot of new entrants, but I don't think there's SkyWest. And I think a lot of people feel the same way. So we're excited about the opportunity. It's never been a there's never been a better time to come to SkyWest, I will say that, And we're excited to do some things with the schools to enhance the professionalism and diversity that we want to the type of company that we want to be.
Great, Great. Thanks, Chip. Thanks, everyone.
Thank you. Thanks, Mike.
Thank you. And the next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI.
Hey, thanks. On your 4Q block hours back to flat, I wonder if you could just outline what the Fleet changes year over year, and does that imply higher or lower utilization? And for my follow-up, if we assume kind of keeping that more normalized utilization into 2022 plus your booked growth, What sort of top line high level top line should we be looking at into 2022?
Hey, Duane. This is Wade. I'll talk a little bit about the production. So the production mix, if you compare Q4 of 2019 to Q4 Of 2021, we are going to see a pretty sizable production mix difference, Right. As I said in my script, even this quarter, the E175s are only down 3% compared to Where they were, a year ago.
And as we continue to bring on airplanes and continue to put them in service, That mix is going to change. In our 50 seat mix, the CRJ200, we're down about 53%. And so the mix will definitely change quite significantly. The revenue side of this should net of If you exclude the concessions, once those get out, you should be very consistent to the revenue side should be very Consistent with where we were at in 2019.
Thanks. And I guess just to extend that, right, if we keep that more normalized Level of production, combined with the booked growth that you have, what is sort of baseline production growth into '22, if we just sort of run rate that forwards?
Yes. So at this point, I don't think we're prepared to quite talk about 2022, but we will see continued growth. As I talked about the American E175s, we have 20 of those coming in Service in basically Q1 and Q2. And so we will continue to see growth there. And so we will have additional growth on top of that, but at this point, we're not prepared to give guidance on where it will be in 2022.
Okay. That's fair. And then just to follow-up on Mike's question, and maybe you answered it in your response to him, but Should we be thinking about the concessions very similarly to the amount of PSP grant funding that you're receiving?
Yes. So directionally, it will be very close. It's directionally the same amount, yes. Some of it does stick a little bit with us, but not all of it.
Thanks so much.
Thank you. The next question comes from Savi Syth with Raymond James.
Hey, good afternoon, everyone. I think the plan for the E175 fleet is pretty clear, but I wonder if you could talk a little bit about how you're thinking about what your Other fleet types would look like kind of exiting this year from a fleet count standpoint?
Yes. Savi, this is Wade. So the CRJ700s, we have a lot of movement in our CRJ700s right now. As of today, as of the end of the quarter, we had 74 CRJ700s under contract with American. By the end of the year, we will have 90, with those guys.
So there's 16 airplanes that we are going to put into service With American through the back half of twenty twenty one, so that is the primary Fleet growth on the other ones. The CRJ200s are very consistent with where they are at. We shrunk the Delta fleet A few quarters ago on the CRJ200s and then on the CRJ900s, it's a very stable fleet at this point. So that's The primary growth on the CRJ side is going to be in the CRJ700.
Got it. But the other like if I look at you had 74 CRJ700 with American and 98 in total, just the other 24 kind of stick around or should I just assume 90 plus 24 or what does that Total go
to.
Yes. So, yes, that's a great question. So we have 19 under contract with United and they We anticipate leaving those with those guys and then the rest of them are with Delta and they are also under contract with Delta and we anticipate them staying there.
Makes sense. Thanks for that, Wade. And then on just the on the 1Q quarter, it seemed a little bit stronger than anticipated. Is that Share. Did that come from block covers?
Was there anywhere else that maybe came in better or maybe came in line with what you were thinking?
Yes. And as we talked about Savi, I mean production was up sequentially. And I guess net net, we're pleased the level of demand that we're seeing for our product and we're obviously investing right now in that product in the form Of maintenance and getting ready for a busy summer.
Makes sense. Is it fair to say the surprise came out on the CPA side more so than the pro rate side?
Yes. I would say, yes. Demand Continued was strong on the CPA side. Again, we continue to on the pro rate side, again, pro rate was not profitable in the Q1. But Again, as we see volumes coming back in general that that's going to that will benefit that pro rate side of the business During the summer and beyond.
Next
question comes from Catherine O'Brien from Goldman Sachs.
Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for the time. So I've got a similar one to Mike's first question as well. Just as we think forward to back when you're fully up and running, you're full schedule with your partners again, At a minimum contract contractual minimums or it sounds like more like back to pre COVID levels. How should we think about your margin profile?
I can think of a couple of tailwinds, So higher percentage of E175 flying probably than pre COVID, you take some of these new deliveries And then the probably the positive impact of that deferred revenue coming back on as you talked about earlier. So if we put those things together, Should we just think about margins probably being higher post COVID or are there some tailwinds I'm not giving enough to? Thanks.
Hey, thanks for the question, Katie. It's Rob. So look, I think that I mean as we sort of indicated that there are Some gives and takes in the margin question. I think in the near term, as we indicated that Things like maintenance are going to continue to run hot as we bring new airplanes back into service again, as we prepare for What's looking what's shaping up to be a pretty busy summer, I think there's some puts and takes in there. Obviously, prorate It's another area that's a drag currently on our overall margins as pro rate is not profitable that obviously We're going to you were hoping that, as we said that that business is nicely levered to the recovery and those will come back.
You mentioned deferred revenue, that's another one that again in the next quarter or so we could have Some modest amounts of incremental deferred revenue, again, depending on how quickly things come back. But Obviously, when that starts to reverse, that reversal will be 100 Percent margin in that deferred revenue. So, as things again, it's sort of A long winded answer to your question, but I think near term again, we've got those headwinds on the expense side. Longer term, we hope that the combination of demand and the reversal of some of these other items will be positives.
Okay, great. Thanks for that. And then yesterday, we had one of the big global lessors talking about airlines Starting to make starting to take action to plan for the future and lock in additional aircraft. Hopefully, when we Get back through the recovery and back to growth perhaps versus 2019. Not asking about your leasing business, But just more in general, are you starting to have conversations with your partners on potential incremental regional flying over the next couple of years?
I imagine they were mostly just concerned with stemming cash burn throughout 2020. So I would love just to hear if The long term growth planning conversations are back on the table or if it's still too early for that? Thanks.
Hey, Katie, this is Chip. That's a great question. Thanks for asking that because I think it has good perspective as our strategy. First That we're still focused on through the rest of this year is out executing everybody relative to helping our partners recover. But In all candidness, we've been having those conversations even through the pandemic because we also thought that that was a big part of How they could recover?
There's certainly today is big demand for a regional Lyft and we think as the economy post COVID continues to evolve, the smaller And midsize cities are going to have more travel demand. And so we're having a lot of conversations with the partners about this Long term aircraft orders, we're also having a lot of conversations with manufacturers about evolutionary ways that we can meet the needs Of the environmental footprint that we're trying to achieve with our partners and all of those things. So in quick answer to your question, We're having a lot of dialogue with both partners and manufacturers, but it's secondary to making sure we continue to recover from the pandemic, but Those conversations are alive and well.
Got it. And maybe I'll just sneak one more in since you brought it up. But I guess any thoughts on like what the future aircraft for growth will be for SkyWest? I'm pretty sure that E2 is still not scope compliant. Not sure what other Options there are out there in terms of next generation aircraft.
So just love to hear what your thoughts are. Thanks.
Yes, thanks, Katie. That goes to an entirely different conversation as well. I mean, I can tell you very, very clearly that we Part of our long term approach for the last almost 50 years at SkyWest is to out execute The competition and continue to make sure that we're strategically in a strong spot. And we're evaluating a lot of One thing I will say is that the world has recognized this as an excellent performer, a dispatcher of aircraft, And we do have a lot of conversation about the future of aviation with several entities. We are not going to get into more detailed conversation or announcements about anything of that nature until we are Comfortable with that, but again I'll go back to the original premise of your other question is as we need to get ourselves out of this pandemic and we need to get recovery.
We need to take care of our people, take care of our partners and our customers. But again, we're also not oblivious to the needs of what The flying public is going to want and we stand to be our strategy is to be at the forefront of all those things. So hopefully that helps kind of To give you the perspective of where we are.
Yes. All very fair. Thanks for the time.
Thank you. And next question comes from Harleen Becker with Cowen.
Thanks very much, operator. Hi, gentlemen. Thanks for the time. So two questions. One is, pre pandemic, was the pro rate business ever Profitable in the Q1 or is that just normally a seasonally weak quarter?
Yes. Helane, this is Wade. We're very consistent with the rest of the industry. Q1 is always, even pre pandemic, Was definitely weaker. But historically, we did make a little bit of money in Q1, but not a lot on the pro rate side.
Okay. And then my other question is, I think last year, some of the airports were working with the airlines To mitigate landing fees and other airport facility charges using their CARES Act funding, right, to help you guys. Is the decline in year over year op expense And that line item more related to is that the run rate or is that the Should we think about that as being coming back as flying comes back?
Yes, Alain, this is Wade again. So on the landing fee side, the majority of those the partners take care of directly and are not reflected in our financial The other line item on our expenses is primarily just volume related and their decreases associated with volume.
Okay. Thanks. Very helpful. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you. The next question comes from Joseph DeNardi with Stifel.
Thanks. Good afternoon. Just one quick question for me, I think. I just want to understand, Wade, on the Maintenance challenges you're facing with your 3rd party providers, is that just a byproduct of the tight labor market? Or are you Displeased with the performance of those providers.
That's a great question. There's a lot going on, obviously. As we said, there's 30 we have over 30 lines of C Check going on. A lot of it is just the ramp up, right? So we never really stopped during the pandemic, but we definitely have increased As we anticipate the flying come back and as we got some of these American contracts, our 3rd party providers, they are great partners of ours.
They do a lot of things. They're just bringing back their workforces. They're getting them trained. They're getting them back up to speed. So I anticipate that they'll be able to at a very high level for us going forward.
SkyWest is very uniquely positioned with the size of our fleet and the strength Of our own internal maintenance capabilities that we can we should be able to navigate through any challenges that are in front of us. Helpful. Thank you.
Thank you. And this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Chip Childs for any closing remarks.
Thank you, Keith. Thanks to everyone for joining us again on the call today. We really appreciate your support and interest in SkyWest. I especially again want to thank our people. I'm proud of our airline and our teams and the great work they're doing to support each other and the long term success of SkyWest.
Couldn't be more proud and fortunate to be involved with such a great team. Thanks again, and we'll talk to you next quarter.
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