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M&A Announcement

Dec 20, 2021

Operator

Good morning, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Sonoco's conference call with your host, Roger Schrum, Vice President of Investor Relations. The floor is yours.

Roger Schrum
VP of Investor Relations, Sonoco

Thank you, Carmen, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to Sonoco's conference call to discuss our announced plans to acquire Ball Metalpack. Joining us this morning are Howard Coker, President and CEO, Rodger Fuller, Executive Vice President, Rob Dillard, Vice President of Corporate Development and Strategy, and Julie Albrecht, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. During today's call, we will be referring to a presentation which was posted on the investor relations section of our website, along with a news release, which was issued before the market opened today. Before we get started, let me remind you that today's presentation contains a number of forward-looking statements based on current expectations, estimates, and projections. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Therefore, actual results may differ materially.

Additionally, this presentation contains the use of non-GAAP financial measures, which management believes provides useful information about Sonoco's and Ball Metalpack's financial condition and results of operations. Further information about our use of non-GAAP financial measures, including definitions as well as reconciliations of those measures to the most closely related GAAP measure, are available in our annual report and on the investor relations section at sonoco.com. Now with that, I'll turn it over to Howard.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Thanks, Roger, and good morning, and happy holidays to everyone. We are extremely excited about our agreement to acquire Ball Metalpack, which is one of the largest steel packaging solutions companies in North America. Before we address the strategic and financial rationales for the transaction, I wanna spend just a few moments to remind you how this action fits our strategy. As this illustration on slide 3 shows, Sonoco is a unique packaging company as we offer our customers the strength and stability that comes from more than 122 years of experience, as well as options and flexibility to meet their changing needs. On slide 4, just 10 days ago, we spent time reviewing with many of you our go-forward plans and the steps we're taking to activate a strategy which we believe will make Sonoco better than ever.

On slide 4, again, is a list of the key takeaways from our December 10 strategy discussion. As a reminder, our value creation strategy is focused on being the benchmark yield and stability packaging company. We're targeting to grow to $1 billion in annual EBITDA by 2026. A key to our strategy is investing in our core consumer and industrial businesses to augment growth, improve margins, and generate strong cash returns. We told you we were on a journey to execute an operating strategy, for we will implement self-help actions that should generate approximately $180 million in annual EBITDA over the next 5 years. We're working to simplify our structure to build a more efficient and effective organization, and we will manage our portfolio for fit around fewer, bigger businesses. Finally, we will use acquisitions to improve our portfolio and complement our overall strategy.

This strategy led us to Ball Metalpack. For those of you who don't know that much about the company, Ball Metalpack was previously part of Ball Corporation and was formed in 2018 as a joint venture between Platinum Equity, which held 51%, and Ball Corp, which retained 49%. The company is a U.S.-based leading manufacturer of steel tinplate food cans, aerosol cans, as well as closures and packaging components. The company expects to generate approximately $850 million in sales this year, an adjusted EBITDA of approximately $111 million, and its outlook for top line and bottom line growth is extremely compelling.

With over a century of manufacturing experience and decades of deep relationships with many blue chip customers, demand for Ball Metalpack's food cans and aerosol products has benefited during the pandemic as consumers ate more meals at home, spent more time fixing up their residences. As we told you at our investor conference, we believe these trends will continue as more consumers are working at home and younger consumers spend more time discovering the value and the efficiency of cooking their own meals and performing do-it-yourself home projects, which will impact the aerosol as well as our legacy caulking cartridge business. Ball Metalpack has also shown improved performance as a result of its strategy to invest, to update technology, drive growth, and improve productivity.

On slide 6, you can see a map that depicts Ball Metalpack's U.S. manufacturing footprint and how its operations are situated in close proximity to its core customers. As part of its strategy to upgrade its manufacturing assets, Ball Metalpack has developed centers of excellence for both its food and aerosol can production. As a reminder, Ball Metalpack is not only one of the largest U.S. food can producers, it also is a leading producer of steel aerosol cans used for a wide range of consumer household products, ranging from paints to cleaning products and more. We're very familiar with one of Ball Metalpack's centers of excellence in Canton, Ohio. Sonoco previously owned Canton facilities in Brookline and Warner Road. In fact, I, as well as Rodger Fuller, personally ran these 2 operations when we led our Sonoco Phoenix metal ends and closures business.

These were very good operations that we only sold because we were not an integrated steel can producer, and other strategics made their own investments in the space. Because of this long relationship, it should not be a surprise that Ball Metalpack's people and operating culture are a near mirror image of Sonoco's. Ball Metalpack's vision is to drive an uncompromising commitment to safety, quality, service, and sustainability. These attributes are key to Sonoco's culture and values, and complement our belief that people build businesses by doing the right thing. On slide 7, there are many reasons why acquiring Ball Metalpack makes sense for Sonoco. First, it underpins our enterprise strategy to be a stable, defensive, strong cash flow generating business. Ball Metalpack's assets complement our largest consumer packaging franchise, which is our iconic global paper can and closures business.

Our operations utilize complementary technologies, and if you were to go into a Sonoco can or closures plant, it would seem very similar to a metal can operation. This acquisition also aligns with our strategy to have fewer, bigger businesses while enhancing our commitment to can making. Furthermore, this acquisition would have us doing more of what we do well, and because of that, we have identified many value-enhancing synergies and process optimization opportunities. Finally, this transaction places capital allocation at the forefront of our strategy to improve free cash flow generation to support our investment-grade credit rating and our desire to return significant capital to our shareholders through growing dividends. I could go on about why we believe this combination makes sense for Sonoco, but let me turn the call over to Roger to speak further about Ball Metalpack's operations and complementary sustainability strategy.

Rodger Fuller
EVP, Sonoco

Thanks, Howard. Good morning, everyone. During our Investor Day presentation just over a week ago, I spent a good portion of my time talking about our global paper can business and how we plan to invest $50 million over the next 2 years to improve our technology and production capabilities around the world. We believe adding Ball Metalpack to our portfolio will make Sonoco the can maker of choice. As slide 8 illustrates, adding Sonoco's paper can assets with Ball Metalpack's steel can options further supports our commitment to can making. As a reminder, Sonoco is a global leader in advanced paper can technology with sales of approximately $1.3 billion. We operate 43 facilities in 16 countries, producing more than 7.2 billion cans annually.

We produce more than 9 billion metal ends and more than 1.5 billion over caps, primarily for our internal can making operations. Ball Metalpack produces approximately 6 billion food and aerosol cans annually, along with closures and components. They've been adding new technology and production capacity to meet new demand, which should add to top line and bottom line growth over the next 2 years. Combined, their pro forma can operations are projected to generate more than $2 billion of sales annually. Over the past few weeks, I've had the opportunity to spend time in Ball Metalpack's operations. I've been very impressed, not only with the operations, but especially with the people and the data-driven processes they've implemented to significantly improve productivity.

As we start the integration process, I truly believe we'll be able to share a number of best practices that will benefit both of our operations. Sonoco has a long history built around our commitment to sustainability and ESG. We're one of the only packaging companies that operates a top 10 recycling business that annually recycles approximately 2.8 million tons of recovered paper, metals, and plastics from our 4 material recovery facilities and 20 other recycling centers, serving more than 100 communities throughout the U.S. We've been extremely focused on expanding our portfolio of more sustainable products, and adding Ball Metalpack further augments our recycling packaging offerings. Metal packaging is the number 1 most recycled packaging substrate in the U.S., followed by paper packaging. By joining with Ball Metalpack, we'll be one of the largest users of this permanently recyclable material.

Metal packaging also has superior barrier properties, making it ideal for food preservation, and it complements our wide range of barrier can offerings. Finally, Ball Metalpack has been leading the way in developing lightweight opportunities to reduce material use and improve cost savings. In my interactions with Ball Metalpack's leadership and people, I can tell you we are all very excited about this mutually beneficial combination. Now with that, let me turn it over to Rob Dillard to further discuss the transaction metrics.

Rob Dillard
VP of Corporate Development and Strategy, Sonoco

Thanks, Roger, and good morning. Consideration for the transaction is $1.35 billion. The transaction generates tax benefits, which have an estimated net present value of $180 million. We consider these tax benefits in evaluating the net transaction value of $1.17 billion. In addition, we anticipate savings from working capital, but have not included these in our net transaction value. 2021 adjusted EBITDA is estimated to be $111 million, and we anticipate achieving $20 million of synergies. The net transaction value as a multiple of estimated 2021 synergy-adjusted EBITDA is 8.9x. Importantly, the transaction is expected to be immediately accretive to earnings per share in 2022, and we expect additional accretion in 2023 from synergies, new business development, and productivity savings from recent investments.

This is an all-cash transaction. We have committed debt financing and anticipate issuing permanent financing before closing. As Howard said, we remain committed to our investment-grade credit rating, and our pro forma net leverage is estimated to be approximately 3x at closing. The transaction is expected to close in the Q1 of 2022, subject to customary regulatory approvals. Slide 11 exhibits how this transaction advances our fewer, bigger businesses strategy and increases our focus on stable, defensive, high cash flow businesses. The column on the right of this page indicates the progress towards those objectives. Based on our estimates, the combined entity would achieve revenue greater than $6.4 billion and adjusted EBITDA greater than $873 million while maintaining our 14% EBITDA margin.

Furthermore, we will have more scale on defensive consumer markets while increasing our exposure to the stable and resilient U.S. market. Now Howard will provide closing comments.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Thanks, Rob. Let me close with some key takeaways regarding this highly strategic acquisition. We believe the complementary acquisition of Ball Metalpack expands our core can-making franchise for the benefit of our customers and our people. As Roger emphasized, it adds to our portfolio of recyclable and sustainable packaging offerings while advancing our commitment to ESG initiatives. We believe this acquisition is being achieved at an attractive valuation with significant tax and net working capital benefits. It meaningfully increases our can-making scale, and we believe there is significant synergy potential and opportunity to share technology and process optimization expertise. At Sonoco, our purpose is better packaging, better life. What that means is that we're committed to creating sustainable packaging solutions that help build our customers' brands, enhance the quality of their products, and improve the quality of life for our teammates and other stakeholders around the world.

We believe the acquisition of Ball Metalpack will make Sonoco better than ever and underpins our commitment to grow scale while maintaining a strong balance sheet and cash flow generation, and meets our objective of having a portfolio of fewer, bigger, and better businesses. Before we take your questions, I want to thank Platinum and Ball leadership for entrusting us with this asset. We are excited about this business, and we're looking forward to bringing Ball Metalpack's 1,300 teammates into the Sonoco family. With that, operator, would you please review the Q&A procedures?

Operator

Our first question is from the line of Ghansham Panjabi with Baird. Your line is open.

Matt Krueger
VP and Associate Financial Advisor, Baird

Hi, good morning. This is actually Matt Krueger sitting in for Ghansham. I hope everyone's doing well today. I guess my first question is just that the purchase price of the transaction seems pretty substantially ahead of what the business sold for several years ago. Can you talk a bit more about maybe what has changed in this business that's made it significantly more valuable than at the time of the prior sale? Or maybe why it could provide significantly more value under the Sonoco umbrella? Just some more details there would be great.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Yeah, Matt. You know, again, from a net perspective, yeah, even then, if you look back, it would be a bit of a premium to how they formed the joint venture. Let me remind you of the commentary that they have spent over the last 3 years, somewhere in the neighborhood of around $200 million of recapitalizing the operations. Those dollars were spent towards productivity. They were spent towards new business opportunities. We clearly recognize, in fact, some of these assets have been coming on stream as recently as 2 months ago.

There is a tremendous amount of pent-up productivity as we look into the forward years that would cause us to be extremely attracted to the go-forward of the business.

Matt Krueger
VP and Associate Financial Advisor, Baird

Great. That's very helpful. T hen just following up there, thinking about the business more broadly, Sonoco's business more broadly, can you talk about what the ongoing focus is for Sonoco's product or business portfolio? You know, what commonalities do Sonoco's businesses have at current kind of looking at the entirety of the portfolio? And how does the combination of businesses set up the company for sustained competitive advantages? Where are the competitive moats that you see across kind of the different pockets of the Sonoco business with the addition of Ball Metalpack?

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Sure, Matt. Going back to our Investor Day presentation, we really highlighted how you can look at our businesses in terms of buckets. There were 5 different potential looks of the business, being our can business, our flexible business, our protective business, thermoforming. I think the real heart of the question is back to our statement around where we are really focusing, particularly from an acquisition perspective. We highlighted our 3 key parts of our portfolio. Number 1 was our can and closures business, where we have just an exceptional business, global business model, and obviously, where this one ties in just hand in glove. The second was our industrial paper business. In both cases, you're talking about number 1 global positions. The third was flexibles.

No, we're not. We don't have our sights on trying to become the number 1 flexible manufacturer in North America or even globally. We have a very nice niche within that sector that we're gonna continue to focus on, particularly from an acquisition perspective. When we talk about fewer bigger businesses and where we're gonna be spending most of our energy from an inorganic basis, you know, that is the message from 10 days ago. I think this just helps support what we were trying to get across during that conversation.

Matt Krueger
VP and Associate Financial Advisor, Baird

Great. That's really helpful. That's it for me. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Adam Josephson with KeyBanc. Your question please.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Hi. Good morning, everyone. Howard, Roger, Rob. Howard, can you just talk about, you mentioned the deal is gonna be accretive to earnings, which I think one would expect just given that it's debt-financed. Can you talk about what kind of spread over the cost of capital you're expecting and how that compares to other potential opportunities you would have had for cash deployment, be it buybacks or otherwise?

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Rob, we have Jody here as well.

Rob Dillard
VP of Corporate Development and Strategy, Sonoco

Yeah, that's a great question, Adam. Well, I mean, we certainly consider all our alternatives for uses of capital. We thought this as we evaluated it, and we're proactive about it. Thought this was the best use, both as a use of capital today, but also to advance the strategy for tomorrow. You know, this is obviously going to be financed with permanent financing at favorable rates. We're excited about deploying that capital in this business.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Got it. I appreciate that, Rob. Howard or Rob, can you just compare this deal to some of the other deals the company's made over the past decade or so? Some have worked out well, others less so. I'm just wondering how you would frame this deal compared to what the company has done historically. When I say historically from call it 2011 onward.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Yeah. Thanks for the question, Adam. You know, I've spoken over the last year or so about the amount of work this executive team has done to, you know, establish our go-forward strategy. Part of that was taking a look in the rearview mirror. We literally went back, I think to the early 2000s. We looked at every acquisition that we completed from that time frame to today. One of the things that became extremely obvious to us, and you guys have heard me say this, that we're not interested in doing acquisitions that we don't have a right to win in. What we found is that when we invested in our core competencies, the foundation of the company.

When we invested in our can business, when we invested in our industrial business, we had very solid and great success. Where we struggled, and I'm just gonna say it, you guys know it, is when we stepped out and maybe jumped over the fence into another neighborhood. That's been the message that I've been trying to deliver to you guys quarter -over- quarter in terms of where we're looking from an acquisition perspective. You know, even in this direct example, going back, now probably 18 years ago when we acquired the Sonoco Phoenix assets which make easy open closures for the metal can processed food industry selling into folks all the major CPGs, all the major can companies. That one was a home run.

It was only when, as I said in my script, that the strategics that had the can body started investing and catching up. We were early to the market that we were disadvantaged because we didn't have the total package solution. In fact, in those days we actually said, well, do we downward integrate and start making cans? The reality is it was a fairly concentrated market with very good strategic players, and there was no room for us to enter the market.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Yeah.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

A long-winded way of saying, yes, we are critical of ourselves, of some of our acquisitions over that time frame. When we have nailed it is when we are in businesses that are direct or 1 degree left to right of our true core competencies.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Yep. I completely understand that, Howard. Just 2 questions about the business itself. Can you just talk about how the contracts are structured in terms of the pass-throughs, the metal pass-throughs, the non-metal pass-throughs. In other words, how exposed are you to fluctuations in raw materials, freight, labor, et cetera. Then just talk about the nature of the customer contracts you have and the opportunity for new business that you talked about.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Sure. You know, the contracts are, you know, almost identically aligned with our can enclosures business, with good reasonable recovery on a timely basis. Even probably more so in this business where most contracts are, say, annual contracts, but so are the key raw materials, i.e., steel is typically an annual contract. There is not much price cost lag at all in our can business and our closures business and, again, it's reflective in this business as well. Not a lot of exposure.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Yeah. Just 1 last one, Howard. On your food can demand outlook, obviously the U.S. food can market has had a renaissance thanks to the pandemic. I mean, this is a declining market for over a decade, and then all of a sudden, demand just exploded and really hasn't given back too much of what it gained. I'm just wondering where you think the market goes from here. Do you think there's some decline that has to be expected given how much the market went up in, you know, last year and the early part of this year? I'm just wondering what your long-term demand expectations are relative to where we are today.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Yeah. Relative to where we are today, we kind of model that low single-digit type of go forward. I would say particularly last year, and I think there's other strategists that have made these comments as well, that supply chain shortages have really dampened what could have been a banner type situation. When we look year-on-year, there were pockets of spikes coming into this year.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Yeah.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

But for the most part, with the shortages of steel, issues at customers, et cetera, it wasn't all as material as you would think. The other thing, I guess 2 points, our work has shown that there's 3 growing, relatively growing categories in the foods or metal can space. 2 of those 3 represent what? Probably about 60% to 65% of the total turnover of Ball Metalpack. The other is we really like the aerosol business, and that it seems to carry, you know, good stability, growing at GDP. I t complements very nicely our adhesives and sealants business.

I got very comfortable early in our due diligence when I walked through a Lowe's and I passed all of our caulking cartridges and then got right up to the spray paint and realized that the majority share of those were part of Ball Metalpack, and the customers are very similar customers. I just didn't wanna-

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Yeah.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Possibly less seasonality associated with the aerosol side.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Thanks so much, Howard.

Rodger Fuller
EVP, Sonoco

Yeah, this is Ro-

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Yeah.

Rodger Fuller
EVP, Sonoco

Yeah, this is Rodger.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Yeah. Go ahead, Roger.

Rodger Fuller
EVP, Sonoco

That low single digits includes some new products that in Ball Metalpack is introducing. Spent over $20 million on new component and closure customer. Started up 2 new can lines, high-speed can lines in the last year. They're ramping up as we speak. In that go-forward, low single digits, there's some good growth that the team has done a good job of bringing on over the past year.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Great point.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Oh, got it. That's not market growth per se. That's more just Ball Metalpack growth. Your market view may be a little different than that.

Rodger Fuller
EVP, Sonoco

Correct.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Correct.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Yeah. Got it. Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Josh Spector with UBS. Your line is open.

Josh Spector
Managing Director of NA Chemicals and packaging Equity Research, UBS

Yeah. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Just a quick follow-up on one of the prior questions, just on price cost in 2021. Just to confirm, that's near 0 impact, you'd say, for last year. As we look towards growth into 2022, it's more volume and synergy. There's not really a price cost tailwind to come.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Yeah. I think there's probably some price cost tailwind, but not necessarily material.

Josh Spector
Managing Director of NA Chemicals and packaging Equity Research, UBS

Okay, thanks. That's helpful. Just wondering if you can give some more comments on the tax savings you see, and specifically how much of that is related with NOLs? Just curious how comfortable you are that those NOLs stay intact after the acquisition?

Julie Albrecht
VP and CFO, Sonoco

Hey, this is Julie. You know, really most of that tax benefit, that net present value of around $180 million, really most of that is from intangibles and fixed asset step up and that related D&A that we're able to benefit from a tax perspective. Really, quite frankly, not as material as the benefit from the NOLs. We actually feel very good about being able to realize those benefits.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

It's pretty front-end loaded as well.

Julie Albrecht
VP and CFO, Sonoco

Yeah, we do. We actually expect to have a nice benefit in 2022 from a cash tax perspective on some of that. Ultimately, it is spread over a number of years.

Josh Spector
Managing Director of NA Chemicals and packaging Equity Research, UBS

Okay, thanks. Just to clarify clarifying point on free cash flow. Should we assume CapEx for the asset is around D&A, so about $50 million?

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

No, I think we modeled that to around $25 million or so. Although there is a couple of go-forward in a year or 2, growth-related capital that we expect to put into play, that's a couple years from now.

Josh Spector
Managing Director of NA Chemicals and packaging Equity Research, UBS

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mark Wilde with the Bank of Montreal. Your line is open.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Thanks. Good morning, Howard and everyone.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Hey.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Howard, kind of first question, you know, if we just step back over the last 3.5 years, 3 of the 4 biggest can makers that we deal with in the public markets have exited the food can business or started an exit of the food can business at the same time you're buying in. Can you talk about why it doesn't work for them and why it will work for you?

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Sure, Mark, I guess our assessment and you know this is really in the western world, Europe, and North America. I would suggest to you that several of the larger ones are heavily involved on the aluminum side. They've got choices to make from a capital perspective. You all know the story of what's going on in aluminum. I think they, as well as their shareholders, are more interested in them deploying their capital towards that space versus this very stable, strong cash flow generation business. That's our take on it. I think it's creating a pretty interesting time right now.

It kind of reminds us of the 70s and 80s and the you know paper can business when there was quite a few of us out there, and folks just started you know like it was in this quarter down there was maybe other portions of the business. We were able to go in and create a very nice global position around that. Mark, that's really our thinking at this point in time.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Yeah, I guess. Thanks, Howard. I guess along with that, though, you know, it seems to many of us, I think watch the industry, that there's probably more room for consolidation in the food can business, particularly in North America, where there's really been 4 players. What are your thoughts on either further consolidation in North America or interest in this business in overseas markets? In your composite can business, you've got a really global footprint. Should we expect over time to see you either do more things in North America in the food can business or to do things in offshore markets?

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

You know, I would say right now, being at December 20th, and we're just announcing a deal, our focus is on landing this one, integrating this one, knocking it out of the park in terms of our go-forward expectations. We'll cross the bridge as these other assets, which most likely will be coming into play when that time happens. Right now, the focus is on execution.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Okay, last one from me. Just the biggest player in food cans in North America is Silgan. They have clearly struggled with valuation around the food can side of their business. Can you you know just maybe Julie or Rob talk with us about you know whether you looked at sort of how the food can business seemed to be valued within Silgan, and if that informed your thinking about this acquisition at all?

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

You know, I'll just tell you that, Mark, no. Look, I think Silgan has done a nice job and their diversification program. You know, we think of this in the same context as our own can business. You know, for years and years, we've gotten criticism that, hey, you've got a slow to low growth business, maybe declining in certain markets, but we've continued to generate really nice productivity and cash flow off of that business. You know, I don't think we're in a position to say how someone looks at another company and says, be it their mix, their leverage, their all the things that go into valuation, may wanna model that out. We're excited about it.

We think there's a really pent-up opportunity going forward and fits very nicely, again, hand in glove with what we do day in and day out around the world in making non-process cans and closures.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Okay, I'll leave it at that. Thanks, Howard.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from George Staphos with Bank of America. Your question please.

Cash Taylor
Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah, hi, this is actually Cash Taylor sitting in on behalf of George today. I was hoping you just expand further upon your synergy realization, you know, exactly where you expect to get those from over the next couple of years. Also just wanted to confirm the CapEx or capital requirements of this business going forward. Thanks.

Rob Dillard
VP of Corporate Development and Strategy, Sonoco

Yeah, that's a good question. We've done a lot of work evaluating the synergies and the opportunities combining these businesses. There are synergies, you know, really from SG&A best practices, to be had, also supply chain and procurement synergies, as well as some incremental kind of operational best practices that we think we can drive that'll really drive some nice productivity. I think that is kind of, as we said, spread out over, you know, 3 y ears. We're really excited about that opportunity. With regards to CapEx, you know, the legacy maintenance CapEx of this business was in the order of magnitude kind of $10 million. The previous owners or the current owners have really stepped up capital investments, and we think that sets the business up well.

We think that we'll be able to kind of maintain what we modeled with $25 million to really continue that trajectory. We're confident in that and have seen some opportunities, but we evaluate, you know, capital opportunities as on an ongoing basis as well.

Cash Taylor
Analyst, Bank of America

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Kyle White with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Hi, Kyle.

Kyle White
Director and Lead Analyst for Paper and Packaging and Environmental Services, Deutsche Bank

Hey, thanks for taking the question. Can you just help us understand the mix of the food can business in terms of how much is more related to pet food that is growing versus vegetables and soup that might be kind of in a flattish to secular decline?

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Let me take a stab at that one, and I'll pass it on to Rob if I stumble. Very low on the 3 categories that our internal and external research has said, look, pet food's growing, beans are growing, and tomato-type products are growing. This asset does not participate materially on the pet side, but when I referenced earlier, probably 60% of the business is related to those other 2 that are seeing slight growth, and that's the beans and the tomatoes. About 60%, Rob, of the volume, and then the other 40% is, I guess, multiple different types of products.

Rob Dillard
VP of Corporate Development and Strategy, Sonoco

Yeah, that's right. It's about 2/3 is vegetables, which is how it's mainly comprised of beans and tomatoes with, you know, really good position there with great leaders in those sectors. Soups and others is kind of 18%, you know, and then they have a leading position in canned dairy products and then also kind of seafood and others, you know, kind of rounds it out.

Kyle White
Director and Lead Analyst for Paper and Packaging and Environmental Services, Deutsche Bank

Got it. That's helpful. Then just on the supply chain, can you just give us some details on the overall supply chain for the business? Obviously one of the largest players there has had some issues with tin plate supplying quality. Also just how is the labor there? This is a business that was probably ran pretty hard during the pandemic, and I'm sure there's a lot of overtime hours leading to some of the older generations kind of looking for a pause and maybe accelerating their plans for retirement. Just any kind of update on the overall supply chain.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

You know, yes, struggled a bit, as I noted earlier for this year, but right now it looks like they're fairly well contracted for needs going into next year for the contracted and planned on. You know, looks like it's not going to be an issue going into this coming year. Labor is no different than anybody else. Pockets in and around the country, we didn't, and Roger can probably speak to it as we visited all the facilities. It just didn't seem different from what we were seeing in our own facility.

Rodger Fuller
EVP, Sonoco

Yeah, typically maybe 5% to 10% short on labor. I think overall they've done a really nice job of keeping people motivated and happy through the pandemic. You know, very strong technical teams, very strong plant leadership teams, good motivators. Didn't see anything at all that would concern me about, you know, keeping people going forward. Most of these plants have been established can plants for many years. You got very dedicated employees there, you know, that aren't looking to pick up and go down the street. Didn't see anything there unusual. In fact, I think very strong culture across their plants, which is very encouraging to us.

Kyle White
Director and Lead Analyst for Paper and Packaging and Environmental Services, Deutsche Bank

Sounds good. Thanks for all the details.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Thanks, Kyle.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Salvator Tiano with Vertical Research Partners.

Salvator Tiano
Equity Research Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Yes. Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. Firstly, you know, you got a few questions before about food cans, whether we've reached the total of the market. I just want to ask a little bit in a different way and understand. You're saying that it's gonna be around $110 million in EBITDA for this year for Ball Metalpack. When the JV was created in early mid-2018, the EBITDA was under $80 million. When we think about this $30 million growth, can you provide some more color about how much may have been due to the market growing from COVID? And how much could be specifically for the business with new customer wins and organic volume growth?

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Hey, Sal, thanks for the question. Let me just start by saying, you know, Platinum and the leadership team just have done a remarkable job. Contrary to what so much of what we're used to in the private equity world of seeing how much you can lean out of a business. They've leaned into this business. They have spent substantial dollars from a productivity perspective, as we've already talked about, I think under the joint venture, somewhere around $100 million. A lion's share of that was upgrading equipment, you know, really creating state-of-the-art type operating environment. I can't speak enough about Platinum's model, as opposed to many in that side of the world.

You got a bunch of it coming from productivity, but also, it was mentioned earlier that they spent about $20 million taking a self-manufacturer out and new business associated with that, and that's gonna take some time. They're still debugging that one. You know, really, it's Platinum's focus on improving operations is probably the biggest step up from the time they formed to where they are today. From our perspective, it's been mentioned a couple of times, you know, you're talking about new customers that are coming on, that Roger noted.

The equipment's being debugged right now, and you've got 2 new 2-piece can lines that have been installed, state-of-the-art, one of which only was commissioned last month. You know, we look at where they are today, but the forward look is really exciting about how they position the business and what the future holds.

Salvator Tiano
Equity Research Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Okay, great. Just want to understand a bit from a fit standpoint. You did mention it fits to your strategy of expanding in cans and ends, but you're in the, I guess, the composite paper can business, not the food can business. C an you talk a little bit about some of the manufacturing differences or similarities between the metal can business and the food can business? Also when it comes to the commercial strategy, are there any significant opportunities, any significant customer overlap?

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

You know what I'd suggest to you first off, paper cans were an offshoot of metal cans. A 3-piece paper can outside of the winding of the body utilizes metal assets. Flangers, seamers, palletizers, they're not built for our business. They're built for metal cans. If you go into a can line and you watch a can line being run in one of our operations making 3-piece cans, you get past the formation of the body similarly on steel cans, you get the substrate difference on the front end, then you're talking about very similar type assets being managed.

On the metal componentry side, we've got 3 dedicated plants producing nothing but sanitary and easy open ends, and it is 100% the same, you know, from the litho lines to the coaters. What the difference is walking into, say, their Canton operation they acquired from us that they've created centers of excellence for supplying componentry. They've got 2,020-type technologies versus the rest of the industry out there, including Sonoco, with 50-year-old coaters and covers.

I'm just going back to where I was before about how Platinum's view in terms of putting capital in play was the right one to make a step change against you know against the base, but also step change in the market against the competition. Very similar.

Rodger Fuller
EVP, Sonoco

Sal, on the commercial side, you know, very, very similar to our paper can business. You got the major food companies that we deal with every day, longstanding relationships, longstanding contracts. On the aerosol side, you know, we service the adhesives and sealants market as well. Very similar customers on that side of the business. Commercially, you know, almost dead on the way we handle our relationships in our global paper can business, so very comfortable with how that sets up as well.

Salvator Tiano
Equity Research Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Okay, perfect. The last one, if I may. A little bit on capital allocation going forward. You said you intend to delever in the next 2 years, and also maintain investment-grade rating. I think even if you were not to delever, you would still, based on the metrics and your EBITDA, your net leverage including pension, you'll probably still be under 3x and maintain the investment grade. Essentially, you desire, I guess, to delever, but you don't necessarily have to. What would be your target ideal leverage a couple of years out? Another way to ask it is, what other opportunities do you have to deploy capital in terms of M&A or buybacks within the next 2 years?

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

You know, Sal, we really don't have a target leverage. I agree with you that, you know, this kind of puts us at the midpoint, if you will, against our peers anyway. Yeah, look, you know, our focus right now would be to draw it down, but given that we have the right opportunity that meets all of our stated criteria, you know, we could be coming back with even another acquisition. The focus would be to, you know, generate more powder unless in the meantime if that doesn't happen, so that we have the balance sheet to do transactions just like this.

Salvator Tiano
Equity Research Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Your question please.

Arun Viswanathan
Senior Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thanks for taking my question. Congratulations on the transaction. I guess just first off just wanted to understand that tax benefit. Were these assets written up in 2018, I guess to full value. I guess are the sellers of these assets gonna be receiving that whole $1.35 billion in cash? Is that right?

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

Yeah, that's right. There was definitely some tax structuring to preserve some attributes at that time, and also enables the buyer of these assets to benefit from those tax attributes.

Arun Viswanathan
Senior Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Just secondly, on the market outlook, you know, I think from an earlier question, you know, we have seen, you know, the incumbents, I guess, exit the industry. You're getting into it. Maybe is there a, you know, maybe like a longer term or medium-term growth rate you could provide for food can as well as for aerosol can in North America? Thanks.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

You know, I think, you know, we addressed it earlier. You know, right now we're looking at low single digits and a GDP type on the food can side and GDP on the aerosol side is the way we're thinking about it.

Arun Viswanathan
Senior Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question is from Adam Josephson with KeyBanc. Your question please.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Hi. Thanks everyone for taking my calls. Howard, just wanted to follow up on what Mark asked about earlier, which is you mentioned the aluminum guys have been selling their food can assets to fund their growth in beverage cans. E ven, you know, Silgan, the largest North American food can producer, has been paying up for closures assets to diversify away from food cans. Y ou're doing the exact opposite, as he mentioned. I understand exactly why you're doing it. I guess, could you just compare your approach to what so many of your peers seem to be doing, which is essentially chasing after higher growth businesses, which would presumably be valued at higher multiples? They seem to wanna get out of food cans because it's perceived as this low multiple business.

I'm just wondering how you think about that issue, just generally speaking.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

You know, I've already addressed, and I guess somewhat speculatively on why major strategics are moving away. You know, again, part of our strategic planning work is obviously sitting down with our investors and understanding what their expectations are. We look at really our 2 core franchises that being obviously our can and closures and our global industrial business that make up a significant percentage of our company that haven't been growing businesses. We have done an excellent job year on and year out, improving the cash position on these businesses.

When we look at our investor base, they really do value the fact that we've got probably one of the highest dividend yields, consistent dividend paying, high yield, not taking unnecessary risk with our balance sheet, being prudent and being, as we said earlier, you know, one of the more stable value-generating businesses in the space. That model has worked for all these many years with some I guess left to right on occasion that we've talked about, you know, trying to say, do we need to diversify away?

We're like, "Well, wait a minute, you know, we have generated just a hell of a lot of value, running businesses that we know how to run and run well." I think that is right down the middle in terms of what our owners are looking for.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Yep. No, completely understood. Just 1 last one along some similar lines, which is, you know, years ago, all the rage was getting bigger in emerging markets, and here you are buying up 100% U.S.-based business such that your exposure to the U.S. is now 70%. Were geographic considerations at play here at all, in other words, wanting to get bigger in developed stable markets, or not particularly? It just so happened that that's what happened given that you bought this business.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

It just happened. It wasn't a stated strategy to become more North American based, but it certainly added to the attraction and our high level of confidence in terms of integration that it's, you know, our biggest can market. We're in our backyard. We're gonna be able to bring this business on seamlessly. It will make it a much easier integration than, say, doing it overseas somewhere. It wasn't part of a strategy.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Yeah.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

to move to a more highly concentrated North American company.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Got it. Thanks so much, Howard. All the best of luck with the deal and happy holidays.

Howard Coker
President and CEO, Sonoco

To you.

Adam Josephson
Paper and Packaging Analyst, KeyBanc

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This ends our Q&A. I would like to turn the call back to Roger Schrum for his final remarks.

Roger Schrum
VP of Investor Relations, Sonoco

Thank you again, Carmen, and I wanna thank everybody for joining us today. I wanna join Howard and everyone else in the room here in wishing you happy holidays. Again, if you have further questions, don't hesitate to give us a call. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect.

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