Good afternoon. My name is Rob, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Virgin Galactic's First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session.
Thank you. Hosting today's conference call will be Zeth Zaslow, Vice President of Investor Relations. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Zaslow.
Please go ahead.
Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Virgin Galactic's Q1 2021 earnings conference call. On the call with me today are Michael Colglazer, Chief Executive Officer Mike Moses, President of Space Missions and Safety Swamy Iyer, President of Aerospace Systems and Doug Ahrens, Chief Financial Officer. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. Business.
Our press release was issued about 45 minutes ago and is available on our Investor Relations website, as is the slide presentation that will accompany today's remarks. Let me refer you to Slide 2 of the presentation, which contains our Safe Harbor disclaimer. During today's call, we may make certain forward looking statements. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions and as a result are subject to risks and uncertainties. Many factors could cause actual events guidance to differ materially from the forward looking statements made on this call.
Call. For more information about these risks and uncertainties, please refer to the Risk Factors section of Virgin Galactic's second amendment to its annual report on Form 10 ks filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and other documents filed by Virgin Galactic from time to time. Readers are cautioned not to put undue reliance on forward looking statements, and the company specifically disclaims any obligation to update the forward looking statements that may be discussed during this call. Please also note that we will refer to non GAAP financial information on today's call. You can find reconciliations of these.
With that, I'd now like to turn the call over to Michael.
Thanks, Seth, and good afternoon, everyone. I hope you are all doing well. As part of my plan on our strategy to grow and scale the business, I've brought in some exceptional talent in key areas. Doug Aarons is our new CFO and Swamy Iyer is our new Head of Aerospace Systems. Doug has extensive experience as a public company CFO with companies in complex technology and manufacturing environments.
Doug's leadership and relational skills and his expertise in Capital Markets and M and A will be incredibly valuable as we expand and monetize the business. Swamy joined Virgin Galactic in March to lead the team responsible for building and designing our current and future fleet of vehicles. Production orientation necessary to lead our aerospace teams as we build out commercial operations. We're incredibly excited about the progress we made in the quarter. I will start with an update on the business and our key areas of focus.
I'll then ask Mike Moses to provide an update on our upcoming flight. Swamy will talk about his initial impressions and how he's viewing our fleet expansion strategy. And following Swamy's remarks, I'll provide some comments on our commercial plans and how we are positioning the organization for scale and success. After that, Doug will provide the financial update. So with that, let's get started.
Turning to Slide 4. Our focus remains on the following three areas. Number 1, fleet readiness, completing our test flight program and preparing for commercial service. Number 2, fleet expansion, adding new spaceships and motherships to our fleet and pivoting the organization from an R and D phase to a manufacturing phase and number 3, developing our customer experience and commercial strategy to create expanded revenue opportunities. We set an ambitious schedule for 2021 and beyond.
It's a dynamic time for both our company and the space industry as a whole, and we are entering what we believe is going to be a long period of Growth and Expansion. Turning to Slide 5. Let's start with fleet readiness. Our planned flight test schedule consists of 4 flights. These flights are intended to demonstrate our capabilities for the 3 markets that we plan to serve with our suborbital spaceflight system.
Those are private astronauts, microgravity research and suborbital training for professional astronauts. We are committed to delivering 1 of the world's most unique and transformational customer experiences with safety at the core of everything we do. Safety is designed into our vehicles, our policies and procedures and our decision making and safety is the foundation of our culture. Typically, we don't use an earnings call as a forum for a detailed discussion of the specifics of our engineering systems and processes. However, given the level of interest around our spaceflight program, today we will share a more granular look and to the steps that we've taken to prepare for our next flight.
I'll now turn the call over to Mike Moses.
Thanks, Michael. Moving to Slide 6. Before I discuss the steps we've taken over the past 2 months, it would be helpful to provide background on the testing program and modifications we have made to the spaceship over the past year. As you know, our testing program is designed to be a process of continuous improvement. We have test objectives that we target with every flight and each one of them is an opportunity to gather data to improve performance and move our spaceflight program forward.
Last summer, we upgraded the flight control computer in VSS Unity. That is the system that controls the horizontal stabilizers, which are the main flight control surfaces used on the spaceship during the boost phase of a rocket powered flight. The upgrade allowed for improved performance current system and provided an architecture for enhancements for future spaceships. The change consisted of 2 new control computers and some changes to the wiring harnesses in Unity. As you can see in the graphic on Slide 6, the control computers are located within the cabin and there are electric motor driven actuators in the tail booms, right next to the horizontal stabilizers themselves.
These upgrades were tested on rounds and during glide flights at Spaceport America last year with great results. Our flight in December 2020 Would have tested that new system during a rocket powered boost, the final step of our testing program on that hardware. But as you know, A fail safe abort was triggered when the RocketMotor computer lost connection. The cause of the RocketMotor computer issue electromagnetic interference or EMI. The source of that elevated EMI was the new flight control computer.
The system is designed to translate pilot inputs into commands to move an electric motor, and it was the unintended feedback and our approach to managing it has been measured and methodical given that the actual flight conditions can be difficult to replicate on the ground. Over the past quarter, we've been working diligently to resolve the issue, focusing on 2 major elements within our spaceship. 1st, We addressed the EMI being generated by the new FlexControl computer. We added hardware filters to suppress the EMI that is being generated within the computer itself. This change drastically reduces the amount of EMI at the source, stopping it from ever entering into the larger system in the first place.
2nd, we improved the wire harness shielding and added components to suppress conductive EMI. These changes were made to the wires that carry power as well as the signal wires that transmit measurement data back to the flight control computer. Our approach has been systematic, focused on eliminating as much of the EMI as possible. We were able to troubleshoot and test both in the lab as well as on our spaceship and work to rapidly develop prototype solutions to refine our approach. As of today, the final installation of the flight hardware is complete And in end to end checkouts, we were able to compare the current EMI to previous levels, and we can see that we've significantly reduced the EMI on the order of 10 to 20 decibels.
Now if you're not familiar with the terminology, decibels are a measurement of noise intensity measured on a logarithmic deal. So a reduction of 10 to 20 decibels means that we've reduced the EMI intensity to a level that is over 90% lower than it was before. Our reviews have concluded that we have sufficiently addressed the Mi issue and that Uniti is ready for flight and the start of its pre flight launch check. I want to take a moment to thank our incredible team of engineers, mechanics and support staff for their diligence and hard work that led to this fantastic result. Now as part of our readiness program for the next spaceflight, we also conducted 3 flights with our mother ship, VMSE, over the past 2 weeks from Spaceport America in New Mexico.
For our standard protocols, we perform a meticulous post flight inspection after each flight to identify, among other things, any maintenance that we may need to perform on the aircraft. Following Eve's last post flight inspection, We tagged a potential wear and tear issue as requiring further evaluation and analysis to see if any additional action is necessary. Our background, like everyone in the aerospace industry, we have a schedule of modifications and upgrades that we plan for each of our vehicles. And these post flight inspections are used to validate the timing of this schedule. Our next maintenance cycle is planned for later this fall And prior to Eve's last flight, all inspections confirmed our schedule was on track.
However, following this last inspection, We identified an item on our maintenance calendar that needs further study to determine whether we need to take action now instead of the fall as planned. Because this issue just emerged at the end of last week, we are still determining what steps may be necessary to address it. While this may impact our flight test schedule, I want to emphasize that this is the nature of a test flight program, and we're going to take the time we need before moving forward. Michael, I'll turn it back to you to provide some more information on our FlexKit.
Thanks, Mike. Our spaceship Unity is currently in preflight procedures following the successful resolution of the EMI challenge. Unity requires our mother ship to carry it on the first stage of our spaceflight. With this late breaking maintenance evaluation, we will report back to the market next week with an update on schedule implications to our next flight. Moving to Slide 7.
Upon the successful completion of this first test flight, we expect to fly a second flight, which will include 2 pilots with a full cabin of internal spaceflight participants. Our 3rd flight will include 2 pilots as well as Sir Richard Branson in the cabin. And our 4th flight is in partnership with the Italian Air Force. It will include 3 spaceflight participants in multiple payloads and they will conduct astronaut training in addition to experiments during the flight. We expect this flight will demonstrate our capabilities for both microgravity research and professional astronaut training.
And just to remind everyone of where we are in our journey, We expect the successful completion of this 4th flight will mark the conclusion of our test flight program. After that, we look forward to moving to commercial service. In terms of fleet expansion, I'd like to ask Swamy to share some comments about this area of our business. Swamy?
Thanks, Michael. Turning to Slide 8, I'm excited about the opportunity to join Virgin Galactic and lead the expansion of the fleet. I've been on board for about 45 days. During that time, I've gone and seen all the facilities. I spent significant time walking the production floor and engaging with members of the team at every level, and I've been impressed with the talent and technical expertise in the organization.
One of the things that drew me to the company was that the requisite development and scale of efforts the company is entering into or ones that are a natural fit with my experience as a test pilot and in leading aerospace manufacturing companies. So for me personally, Virgin Galactic provides me the unique opportunity to truly exercise all of my operations experience and tools to support the business and the team. Additionally, the safety, flight test, manufacturing and engineering cultures I've observed at this company are an aggregation of best practices from across the leading companies in the global aerospace ecosystem. That is due in no small part to the DNA of our aircraft based spaceflight solution, which Straus from a deep and broad base of 120 years of aircraft development, which in my mind provides significant safety engineering and manufacturing advantage and scaling up into a robust, repeatable and reliable space line. At Virgin Galactic, the elegance of the design, the experience of the team The evolution of the technology provides the right conditions at the right time to scale into humankind's first true space line, and I'm honored to be a part of Our focus going forward will be to scale the fleet and structure our processes precisely and accurately with an emphasis on rigorous testing and safety standards.
That will mean getting our final spaceflight solution configuration locked down by optimizing our spaceship, mothership and rocket motors performance, manufacturing methods and supply chain. Again, leveraging off the larger aircraft industry ecosystem, we have the luxury of choosing the best of the supply base to ensure a high quality and predictable fleet expansion effort using the engineering and manufacturing excellence of our future partners. We look forward to keeping all of you and the investment community updated on the progress that we're making in this area and on future calls. Michael, back to you.
Thanks, Swamy. All right, turning to Slide 9. As we progress towards commercialization, we plan to create a comprehensive multi day consumer journey on the shoulders of our 90 minute spaceflight experience. Our goal is to ensure that the memory of this spaceflight lasts a lifetime. We believe our experience and approach will be distinct in the marketplace.
We are also developing our customer brand architecture and marketing strategy. We intend to leverage the unique strength of the Virgin brand to create a bespoke experience. We'll have more to share on this area of our business as we move forward. I'd now like to turn the call over to Doug for financial update.
Thanks, Michael, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to be here with all of you today for my first Virgin Galactic earnings call. It's now been 2 months since I joined the company. Having had some time to observe and listen, I'm even more excited about the opportunity and the team of talented individuals within the organization. I'm also looking forward to working with all of you in the investment community.
Turning to Slide 10. Before I review the financial results for the quarter, I wanted to We're also positioning the organization for the launch of our consumer brand and experience. We're using these operational objectives to inform our financial planning. We're pleased that our total number of future private astronauts remain steady at approximately 600 as of the end of Q1. As we've disclosed, We plan to reopen sales for our private astronaut market around the time of the flight with Richard Branson.
By reopening sales, we intend to satisfy a portion of the consumer demand with our expanding fleet size. We currently expect to have the sales funnel open for a limited period of time and plan to add a finite number of incremental members to our private astronaut community. With this approach, we'll look to build an appropriate backlog relative to the pace of our overall fleet expansion. Our goal is to address some of the consumer demand for our service, while maintaining appealing price point for the experience and appropriate time horizons of flight for our private astronauts. We have not yet released updated pricing for our private astronaut market.
We have, however, established current pricing for our microgravity research and private astronaut training markets. As we previously discussed, We have a flight planned in partnership with the Italian Air Force that will demonstrate our capabilities for these markets. We expect this flight to generate $2,000,000 revenue of the equivalent of $500,000 per seat. On a per seat equivalent, we're now entering into agreement at $600,000 per seat. We think these are excellent results for our introduction to the market.
We're quite excited about this market and the pricing dynamics we're seeing for this portion of our business. Let's review our results for the Q1 on Slide 11. Since there were no flights in the quarter, we didn't generate any revenue. As we previously disclosed, in response to recent guidance issued by the SEC, We revised our accounting treatment for warrants issued in connection with the company going public in 2019. In the Q1 of this year, The new treatment resulted in a $49,000,000 non cash expense related to the change in fair value of warrants compared to a non cash expense of $317,000,000 in the prior year period.
Net loss for the Q1 was $130,000,000 compared to a loss of $377,000,000 in the Q1 of 2020. The decrease in net loss was attributable to the change in the fair value of warrants. Notably, less than 10% of the originally issued warrants currently remain outstanding. Adjusted EBITDA was negative $56,000,000 compared to negative $53,000,000 in the prior year period. Total operating expenses were $81,000,000 compared to $61,000,000 in the prior year period.
The increase in GAAP expenses was attributable to an increase in non cash stock based compensation expenses. Adjusted to exclude stock based compensation, expenses were $59,000,000 compared to $56,000,000 in the prior year period. Turning to capital allocation on Slide 12. In the Q1, free cash flow was a use of $50,000,000 compared to a use of $60,000,000 in the Q1 of 2020. The decrease was primarily due to lower capital expenditures and favorable working capital dynamics.
CapEx was $1,000,000 in the quarter compared to $4,000,000 in the period in the prior year period. Looking ahead, we anticipate 2nd quarter free cash flow of approximately negative $60,000,000 Importantly, our balance sheet remains strong. We remain well capitalized with cash and cash equivalents of 6 $17,000,000 as of the end of the Q1. As we've discussed, our business plan calls for the expansion of our fleet as well as the build out of our consumer experience. We plan to use a combination of cash on hand as well as future inflows of capital to fund our strategic objectives.
Historically, we've looked to take advantage of favorable market conditions to raise capital for the business. Going forward, we'll continue to evaluate opportunities to access the capital markets to grow and scale our business. I'd like to now hand the call back to Michael.
Thanks, Doug. All right. Turning to Slide 13. Before moving to Q and A, I want to take a moment to thank our entire team who have been working diligently on our strategic objections. And just to restate, our focus remains on the following three areas: fleet readiness, fleet expansion and the development of the customer experience.
Operator, I think we are now ready to begin the Q and A portion of the call.
Thank
you. And your first question comes from the line of Robert Spingarn from Credit Suisse. Your line is open.
Hi, good afternoon. Hi, Rob. Michael. Hey, Michael. Just a question about the market and the 2 players.
So both Galactic and Blue Origin are now approaching commercial service and they may send up a passenger as soon as July if they especially from a future order capture perspective.
Sure. 1, as I've shared before, We're really excited to have multiple people, basically paving new territory for human spaceflight site and being able to take private citizens into space. This is something that I think most of us in the world would not have guessed even a few years ago that this Going to happen in our lifetimes and yet here it is upon us. So I think it's really important, that Blue have great success, that we will have great success because it will normalize The idea of human spaceflight to the market. And I think the more people that are able to go up and get this perspective back on the planet, The more their voices are going to come back and just inspire and engage other people and add more pressure into the market overall.
So we're very excited for them. To your question on does the timing matter, I think we have a company that's been built over years decades as does Blue. And so while I think there will be great media attention around both moments when we are going up into space, I don't think it matters to our business overall.
Okay. And then just a quick one for Doug. On the cash burn that you just talked about, how does it Progress beyond Q2. So how do we see $60,000,000 evolving beyond Q2 from a quarterly burn perspective? And is there a minimum cash balance At which point you'd want to return to the Capital Markets.
Thanks for the question. So we haven't given specific guidance on a long term cash burn, but there are multiple dynamics in play to think about. The first one is cash inflows. As we reopen ticket sales, we'll get those cash inflows coming in. Plus, as we approach commercial service, we'll collect the remainder of those net revenue for those flights.
And on the other side, as we expand our manufacturing capacity, you would see an increase in CapEx as we Scale the business and build out our fleet. So you have those two things working together. And then as we ramp up to high volume production, So you would have nice flow through the revenue to the bottom line. So with all of that, we haven't put a minimum cash I'm out there, but certainly want to have all the flexibility to grow and scale the business as needed.
Okay. Thanks, Todd. Thanks, Michael. Thanks, Rob.
Your next question comes from the line of Myles Walton from UBS. Your line is open.
Thanks, Hedi.
I was wondering if I could ask
Mike Moses to maybe elaborate a little bit more on the maintenance issue Discovered on Eve last week, if that was an issue that was pre existing on the checklist to do during the downtime of fall And was it one of the larger items to do or one of the smaller items to do? And then maybe for Michael, On the back of that, with this as sort of a single point, clearly a single point in the critical path flight. How does it make you think about maybe having to pull forward CapEx on the White Knight 2 second one?
Thanks, Myles. So the item we found on Eve, maybe let me just give some context of how those protocols and that This program is established, which is actually very common in aerospace systems. We have a series of inspections and preventative maintenance tasks that are designed to kind of track and maintain the vehicles and look at them not only in the instance of the next flight or the next several, but also looking at their lifetime and their ongoing health. And as with all complex systems, we have scheduled periods to allow for those modifications and upgrades that we deem necessary. And as we previously said, and as you're alluding to, we had flight 1 planned for this fall with Eve and our other vehicles.
So those inspections let us determine whether those modifications and the schedule for that is on track and valid and react So after the pair of last flights that we did last week for pilot training, we did flag an issue that was on our calendar to be addressed later in the fall, but that required some further assessment to just basically double check, is that still a valid plan or do we need to potentially accelerate and address that item sooner than later. So that's the type of thing we're looking at. And I guess I'll just say that this is The difference between this as a flight test program and issues where we do we fly, we inspect, we monitor, we adapt versus the regular cadence that you would head in our commercial service program. That is one of those things that that upcoming modification period was specifically meant to address is move the vehicles into that footing.
All
right. And, Manus, you're talking about the potential to pull forward CapEx on a second ship. What I'd say is, We are very excited to grow the fleet. And as we've mentioned, we have started the programs both for Spaceship 3. We had our first unveiling of our first unit of Spaceship 3, VSS Imagine back in March.
But also we've initiated the program, what we're calling the Delta class of spaceships, which would be more of a production model, I would say, going forward. At the same time, we have initiated the program development for a new mothership, because as we scale up to the volumes we need, we will definitely need more motherships. So this kind of maintenance topic that we kind of had pop up on us at the end of last week and that we're going to sort through and come back to you all with Update on the market, we'll do that next week. This maintenance piece isn't going to really impact the timing of our 2nd mothership program. That's often going.
It is in the early design stage, which is relatively low financial expenditures, as you're aware. And I think it will stay in that design phase for a little while until we settle on where we're going. So I don't think it changes our plan going forward, Miles, but it does Just to kind of reemphasize, we have programs kicked off both on new motherships as well as spaceships going forward.
Okay. And Mike, sorry, just to come back for a second. The just to clarify, you don't know if you'll have to do the issue, you're still evaluating whether or not That will have to be done. Is that correct?
Yes, correct, Miles. So pretty late breaking. And then we found the inspections we were doing after our last flight, which It was Tuesday of last week. And so the team dropped that up. We've done some extra inspections and we're kind of in the middle of analysis now.
We'll We'll be able to make a determination here pretty soon and we'll get back to you all next week with the market update as Michael said.
Thanks so much.
Thanks, Myles.
Your next question comes from the line of Adam Jonas from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Hey, everybody. Just one simple clarification on the deposits. Can you remind us what how large the deposit is as a percentage Of the seats on the spaceflight, I didn't know if there was prior disclosure on that or one we could Kind of think about within a range for when you reopen the funnel.
I don't believe we put prior disclosure on the size Of the deposits, we have the prior disclosure out that while the price varied a little from moment to moment, generally, Our last price point out was $250,000 per seat, I guess, if you will. And we have shared that we do expect That price will be going higher when we are able to reopen sales up. So that I think has been closed. I don't think we've talked about the scale of the deposits
Okay. That's fine, Michael. And just a second one for me. You mentioned that once you Due to the 3rd flight, the 2 pilots and Richard Branson that you would then make the move towards commercial service. Can you help us because at that moment seems very important, I would imagine, for both OpEx and CapEx.
Can you help To mention that for us and what one could think about at this preliminary stage of modeling that point between The 3rd flight and then that path to commercial. Also in terms of what kind of gap or what order of magnitude of gap are we talking months, quarters between the Richard flight and the 1st non Richard, let's say, commercial flight. Thanks.
Sure. Let me take a shot at it and feel free to come back if I didn't quite catch the question perfectly. So let me go back to what we'd shared Kind of at our last quarterly update, which is we planned to be having our next flight going in May. And we had then 2 more flights following, kind of one with an internal crew and one with Sir Richard Branson. We shared we expected those to go in the summer.
And then we have a 4th test flight that we talked about That will be a revenue producing flight with the Italian Air Force, and we thought that would be in late summer, early fall, and that's what we talked about on the last earnings call. And we're looking forward to coming back to you next week and giving an update to that as Mike Moses just shared. We're in flight test. We flagged a maintenance topic. And so we'll sort that out and come back to the market with an update more specifically for you all there.
Now As to your question of, well, what happens as you then move into commercial service? As we shared on the last call, Following the flight that we planned with the Italian Air Force, kind of our 4th test flight, we have a period of time, we estimated to take at that point at about 4 months is what our estimates are. And we will be lining up, basically upgrades and modifications to plans, as well as these upgrades and modifications are to reliability of predicting flight cadence as we ship those ships into commercial service. We also will be making the modifications there as we testing and then begin preparing for powered flight testing following these modification periods. So following that,
we're going to continue to see the growth of our business and the growth of our business. And we're going to continue to see the growth of our business and
our business and our business and our business. And we'll start commercial service with Spaceship Unity and EVE. So that will start, I'd say, So I don't think you'll see a Giant uptick in OpEx at that standpoint, right? That's going to come more as we scale the fleet over time. But you will 2 different categories of OpEx because we'll be bringing in our astronauts into the area around Space Port America and actually flying them and hosting them.
So I think it will be a More modest uptick in OpEx at that point relative to revenues that you would be seeing though.
Appreciate the extra color, Michael. Thanks.
Thanks, Adam.
Your next question comes from the line of Ron Epstein from Bank of America. Your line is open. Again, Ron Epstein from Bank of America, your line is open.
Yes. Hello, sorry about that. I was on mute. The prospect pool got to a hair under 8,000 folks. Do you have any sense on is there any incremental any measure on incremental, yes, it was just February of 2020 actually.
Any incremental interest? I mean, how can you share with us any incremental demand, anything like that? Because Again, in the release, you said there are 600 astronauts. It's been 600 for a while. Just trying to get a hint in demand for you guys.
Sure. And one thing I kind of flagged there, it has been 600 for a while and we I think that's because there's great excitement for this. So we haven't shared guidance on Where demand will go. What Doug was talking about today is we want to continue to keep an overhang, basically kind of build a book of demand that runs In advance of our spaceship fleet capacity. Obviously, we have 600, and we haven't entered commercial service yet.
So that overhang of demand It has been going for a while. But as we begin commercial service, as we then move our 2nd spaceship, Imagine, into commercial service as it completes its flight test program and so forth with further ships. We plan to basically continue to build that overhang going forward, so there's always demand pressure against it. We believe there is going to be really great demand. I think you look at the excitement all around the human spaceflight concept, And you see it in multiple players in the market.
I think you're going to see it, as we mentioned, with Blues launch coming up, we think this is going to be fantastic And that the initial people that come back from these space flights will be just so raving that that will continue to further demand going forward. What we also talked about and what Doug was mentioning today is we're very excited about the demand for also microgravity research as well as training for professional astronauts. And what we did share today is some price points that we've been seeing on the initial flights of those that we are courage to buy, because that's going to be an important slice of our capacity in the slices market. So we are very confident and robust feeling on the demand, but we haven't
Got it. And then the pricing question is sort of the next one, next direction I want to go a Do you have a sense for your pricing visavis your competitors? So if I'm going to fly on a trip on Blue versus a trip on you guys, Is it comparably priced? Are they more expensive? Are you more expensive?
Do you guys have any sense of that?
Well, so, to my other, I think what they're doing is, As I understand, putting out effectively an auction for one seat on their first flight. And I think that's exciting. I honestly bet it will be a pretty high price if I had to guess and I think that will add excitement. I'm sure Blue will take advantage of it. And I think that's really great because it will show, just how amazing this opportunity is going to be.
I'm not sure where Blue will settle their prices out. We'll see how that plays out over time. What I know we will do is ensure that the value that we deliver, fly with The astronauts who train with us is going to be so outstanding. I don't think the price points that we charge as we launch our commercial business will be the topic. It will be how can I get a seat?
And so that's really the goal for our company is ensuring the value is there and we feel really strong about that.
And then maybe just one last more technical question, if I may. With the EMI issue that's popped up and then the post flight inspection issue that might be an issue, It raises the question just around fleet reliability. How are you thinking about that as you ramp up commercial labs Because as the cadence of launches goes quicker and you'll be the utilization of the assets will be more. And maybe one of the things I worry about is just Will the assets be robust enough to execute the plan that you want them to the way you want them to?
Thanks for asking that question. It's an important one. And I'd like to call out what I'd say is a difference between a flight test program and and commercial operations, right. In a flight test program, 1, every time we fly, we are looking to Again, kind of confirm that we are on the right path and ready for the next flight test or, oh, we're going to make some modifications based upon the data analysis that we have. And the essence of that flight test program, which is not a unique piece for Virgin Galactic, that's schedule along the way, and we are making adjustments after each of these tests going forward.
Now What we talked about today with Eve, our mothership, is really a question of planned maintenance schedules. And we're trying to come back to you and confirm, are we going to maintain doing this on our planned maintenance schedule, which we said was going to be in October? Are we going to go forward or pull that forward. We're going to come back and talk to you about that next week. But then if I could shift the concept from flight test, which is what we're doing now commercial operations.
Commercial operations require much more robustness and predictability in how we fly our ships. So One of the reasons we have this down period with Eve, our mother ship and Unity in the fall is to make some modifications that will let the flight rates on those be more predictable. As you've heard us Our SpaceShip 3 class with BSS Imagine as the first of those. The very purpose modular design, the very purpose Full inclusion of all the learnings that we've had from Unity have gone into the design and manufacturing of those spaceships, intentionally to allow for greater predictability and kind of reach I call it return time, right? Once we fly, how quickly do we fly again?
And what we're talking about with the Delta class of spaceships is when We basically locked all that profile down. And now you're basically building a production model and you've got kind of ongoing Consistency and repetition in the way our operations work. So you're accurately calling out commercial operations We'll be more reliable and repeatable. I'd just like to emphasize, we're in flight test and this is what you should expect to see in flight test. I think it's somewhat unique that flight test is happening in a pre revenue public company.
And so that's why we often have these calls, which is good. But that's important information to share and I appreciate you bringing that topic up.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Doug Harned from Bernstein. Your line is open.
Thank you. Good evening.
When you think about going through these 4 flights, What things are you looking for that you're where you want to
2019 timeframe.
Flights, they were completed, they had some issues. Do you What do you need to see here? In other words, how kind of issue free do you need to be confident you're ready to go?
Sure. Hi, Doug, by the way, excellent question. So let's talk about this upcoming flight, the next one we do. As Mike talked to us as we go, we've tested those in glide flight with great results, meaning we kind of test them, we do kind of some high speed runs and pull fleet. We do need to test those out under a powered flight.
And so the next flight we have With just the 2 pilots is really to prove that out. We have great confidence from what we've seen in the system, but we want to see it operate under a powered flight. That is a, I'll call it a technical test that we're looking for. And as always, we do on all of our power flights, we will continue to evaluate just the overall performance of the ships and how the experience looks across it. So then let's go to the next flight with a full crew of mission specialists in the back.
The new piece of information for that flight is we've got a full crew of people in the back. And how is the experience for those folks in the back, how are their movements around the cabin? How did they want to kind of find where the views are and the great pieces there? We will also kind of confirm that what we saw on the prior flight, the first one with the 2 pilots is repeating, right, because you want to Kind of repetition and consistency there. One has a technical piece we're looking 4.
The second one is kind of consistency of that same technical piece as well as now the 4 cabins and back. The next 2 are Rinse and repeat isn't necessarily what an aerospace term would be, but that's generally what we're doing. Okay, let's do it again. And this time, we wanted Richard to come in as our founder and kind of chief adventurer and say, okay, is this what I've been envisioning all the way along here and add kind of that flavor and that feedback into the overall experience. And we think that will be an excellent way to demonstrate what the private astronaut flight will be.
And we intend to kind of make some noise about that as we go And then the 4th flight, again, we're still basically repeating the same test objectives on the others, just getting repetition under our belt. The 4th flight will then be purposely to do testing around our other two markets, microgravity research and professional astronaut training. There are some things that we'll adapt on our ground operations. There are some things that we will adapt about how the ship performs in space to focused on what the researchers need. So we'll adapt that and also use that as our demonstration point.
So that's kind of what we're looking at each stage. And at each one of those stages, we will look for generally consistency in what we saw there, but we won't be looking necessarily for something new.
Yes. I guess, two things. The I'm just trying to picture There have been a few questions that have gone around this. But for instance, Eve is, I believe, about 13 years old at this stage. You've now got the SpaceShip 3 coming out, which is great.
So you've got these assets. I mean, how long lived do you expect them to be? Because I'm thinking both just in terms of what anomalies you might be looking for on the test
Sure. I'll start out and gentlemen, feel free to kick in. So, Eve, and I don't recall the exact age, Let's go 13 years, as you said, is not flown a lot, right? It's not like it's a commercial airliner flying back and forth every day putting flight hours on it at that time. So it's number of flight hours, I'd say are reasonably modest as far as airframes go.
Eve, it's important to make sure that as we move into commercial service, that it has gone through some updates and modifications that will allow it flight by flight basis and making sure we're ready that we've got good predictability. So we need people to be able to plan their trips to us and things like that on age. But I would I highlight from an hours basis, it's still fairly low use, I guess, compared to a normal airframe.
Yes, that's correct. Its first flight was in 2,008 and the last flight we just flew was number 293. So from an airframe perspective from an airliner or anything like that, we'd still kind of be probably in the break in period. So we don't put a lot of timer cycles, Even though the profile we fly is certainly a unique one. And I think in terms of its life expectancy, right, our composite aircraft By definition, really has some advantages over an aluminum framed aircraft when it comes to lifetime, but it's certainly something that still needs to be monitored and addressed, Which is what we're talking about when we talk about these ongoing maintenance inspection cycles.
We have an engineering based assessment as to what that life would be, how parts We'll wear and fatigue over time and the wear and tear that they'll see, and we're monitoring along the way to see if that is on schedule, ahead of schedule, behind schedule, so we can adjust our program. So that we don't want to do too much maintenance or you can cause problems if you over correct and over examine the plane. You don't want to be on this side Either or you're doing it too little. And so this is this ongoing continuous feedback improvement maintenance monitoring program. And we'll have the same on our spaceships as well as the mother ships.
But in terms of lifetime, while we put them through a unique environment, we don't really put that many actual hours on them. And that's part of the design basis. And then as we talk about the next class, the Delta class and next Mothership. We'll be able to bake those lessons learned.
Great. Thank you. Thanks, Doug.
Your next question comes from the line
of Alex. Your line is open.
Hello. Good evening, everybody.
Hey, how are you?
I'm doing well. How are you?
Good. Thanks.
Yes. So specifically, we're looking at what we call basically a fatigue stress items. So like we were just talking about, we just over time and strategic plan to address that. And basically, it's pretty common to all aircraft systems. We monitor these items and we regularly have plans in place to track these issues, follow these items along and in some cases like we've already identified here, do some modifications this fall.
But what we flagged right now recently is we want to go double check that maintenance schedule based on the recent observations to make sure we don't need to do something earlier than that. So that's basically we're looking at a family of items that relate to fatigue and long term stress.
So in simple terms, you just want to make sure it's not fatigued or stressed enough that
it Exactly.
That's a great way to simplify, right? Fatigue and wear and tear is a natural thing, right? Every item, whether it's an airplane ship or whatever it is follows that and you have a predictive model of when those things reach a place where you need to either refurbish repair, upgrade and do preventive maintenance. And so this is A check to see that the schedule that we have predicted is still valid and that we don't need to do it in an accelerated manner. If we determine we will, that's exactly what we're going to go do.
Obviously, At the end of the day, safe dispatch and safe flight. The
full amount of time it would normally take to address any
Well, in terms of analyzing and assessing it, I think we're probably on a very short timescale just given that We flew on Tuesday of last week, and the inspections that we did, involve a couple of visual inspections, camera or a board of directors and the small places and and scan techniques, non destructive inspection techniques using pulse echo, ultrasound, resonance scans, things like that that allow you to kind of non destructively look through the skin, like you would go to the doctor and get an MRI or an x-ray. And so we use a combination of those two techniques. Those results give you an image map that you then have to kind of not only look at that absolute value, but do a relative comparison to the last time you scan And you're looking for comparison. So that takes on the order of a week or so to gather the data, analyze it, plug it back into our model, turn it around and get an answer. So that's why Unfortunately, the timing of this flight last week and the earnings call today didn't give us quite enough time to get to that final answer, which is why we'll come and give an update next week.
And what about performing the actual maintenance?
For that, I think a little too early in the path to decide what that is. We know what we were planning to do this fall and part of this will be assessing how much of that either needs to be done early or do we partially do part of that They're a little too early to tell.
Okay.
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So, I'll take the business. We have 2 remaining provisos On our commercial license with the FAA. And as we said before, fundamentally, we will look to this next flight we do. We Need to have just a nice complete flight that goes to space and we gather all the data around that. And as well as, kind of some of the data that happens It's in the cabin itself that's there and we'll turn that data set into the FAA.
They know the data set that they need. We know what it is. They know we're to turn it in. And then it will be in the FAA's hands to turn it back around. But we expect to get that data on the next flight.
We do need to get to space to complete that data set. And so that's really the only thing in front of us right now. So we expect to do that after this next flight. Now as to the kind of consumer brand and brand architecture, we will come back with A very robust overview of how we are going to establish our place in space, because I think it will be very unique to Virgin Galactic and what we're doing here. But in broad strokes, we are focused on the experience that we will be providing to our astronauts.
This is going to be incredibly transformational. And the moments that will be spent, waitless, Even though we have kind of a 90 minute flight profile, even though we've got this kind of great way of taking off with our horizontal takeoff and horizontal landing and the flight to Space up will be exhilarating. The moments in weightlessness, the moments looking back to the earth across the course of a lifetime are relatively fleeting. And so we will be taking a point of view that says, how do we prepare these astronauts such that they are so ready to take in the emotion of that moment that the memory becomes so strong and so core that they can't help but share that for the rest of their lives. There is a lot of art and science that will go behind the work that we do in this, both at our consumer brand positions and the actual experience that we will deliver.
And we're looking forward to kind of bringing that forward. I think you'll see us talk most about that in the area around the Richard Branson flight. We think that's the appropriate time to bring to the market, but it will be very unique. Other people will go to space and we're excited for them, But we're very confident in our place in space and how we will deliver it. We think it will be sustainably to
next week. But as you articulate, I'm reevaluating the launch Timing of that first test flight. Asked in another way, what are some of parameters like within your control and some of the parameters not as well within your control I'm not you're analyzing right now for the launch timing of the first flight.
Sure. I'll take a shot
at this and Mike Kick in here. I'd say we'd run off the facts, right? So that's generally what's going on. So we as Mike said, we have planned maintenance cycles, planned enhancement cycles. We've announced 1, it will be in October.
We also then routine maintenance inspections and routine daily maintenance on ships after they fly. And the way we evaluate these ships. So, we have a hope that data rolls into our engineering team that compares that data against our expectations. Air piece here, then we do that. And not answer to what's in your control or not.
It's all in our control based upon the facts that we see And then we go forward with safety as our guiding principle. And then just practical business of maintaining aircraft and airframes and spaceships over time. Mike, anything you'd want to add there?
Yes, Michael, I think you I think you hit that well. We definitely follow a rationale and a decision process that is very factual based and the data leads us to where we go. So things like Double checking what if those assumptions are wrong? Is the problem bounded? Do we have a good physics based understanding of the model we're using to make these predictions.
Is it grounded in test? All of that Comes to play. So along there, we have some variability in the rigor of standard, which we apply against and we can choose to put in a fix that we know is going to last us a lifetime versus one that says just get us to the mod cycle we have planned. The safe and reliable and repeatable flights is where we're really going to head. So, yes, I don't think I have much to say that what's in our control and not in our control from short and long term choices, but the facts will be what they are and that will drive our decision pretty straightforward.
Rob, why don't we take one last question, please?
Certainly. Our final question comes from the line of Pete Skibitski from Alimbec Global. Your line is open.
Yes, good afternoon, everyone. Hi, how are you? Just one question for me guys. We've talked a lot about the kind of the spaceship manufacturing and upgrade cadence on the call here. But I'm wondering if you could maybe take it down a level where the spaceship gets you to a certain amount of time, but I think the plan is So basically reload the rocket every time with new propellant.
And so it's a process. So can you talk about how you're kind of geographic aspects of the program just because it seems like there's not that many people out there that are going go through that many rocket cases of propellant as you guys plan to. So I'd just love your thoughts on that part of the program.
Sure. The propulsion system, system. I'll use that, that we have, is a hybrid rocket motor propulsion system, that has been evaluated extremely thoroughly, and we are very confident in its robustness. It includes a tank where liquid Nitrous oxygen is used as an oxygen, basically a solid motor, and that's how we do our burn. The part that is replaced after each flight is the motor itself.
And we have, what the real opportunity for us is test and move and scale up to commercial operations. We can shift our manufacturing environment because we know what this Looks like we've got our configuration settled and basically, and bring the cost down. So our go forward basis on this, while we will always continue to kind of fundamentally, we are looking in this pace to shift more to a factory mode to drive down the cost of that particular item that we use. Mike or Swamy, anything you'd like to add into that?
I'll just so since I've come in, I've sat down with the team and gone through particularly the Rocket Motors strategy for scale supply base and where we're going to have conversations about how we bring that together from an outsourcing strategy and From the construction and management strategies. What that really means is, the boil is that we're fairly vertically integrated and Now we're looking at what kind of position in the factory we want for scale and massive to the curve of commercial flights we intend to have over the next few years. But I'm putting a high emphasis This is on supplier quality, supplier roll throughput yield and first pass yield on those products that are going to come to us, assembly technique unit cogs of east of the rocket motors. Once we get into that position, I'll get a sense of how I would optimize that. But That strategy is prepared fairly well.
I'm just diving in to make sure that it's appropriate to the industry and we're picking the right partners Q1. Sure. Going forward, that I would have expected coming here is quite impressive what I have seen. Now it's just making sure we get the right suppliers the right deals To make CapEx going forward something we want.
Okay. Thanks for the color, guys.
Conference call.
And this concludes our Q and A session. Mr. Michael Colclaser, I will now turn the call over to Mr.
Michael Colclaser. Hey, thank you all for Thanks
for the
questions we had and for those who joined in to listen. We appreciate your continued interest and support. And we look forward to updating you on our flight status next call. Thank you very much.
I'll come back to you shortly.