Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Symbotic's second quarter fiscal 2023 financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentations, there'll be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question at that time, please press star one one on your telephone. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Jeff Evanson, vice president, Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Valerie. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Symbotic's second quarter fiscal 2023 results webcast. Our press release and discussion today will include forward-looking statements based on assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements, including as the result of the factors described in cautionary statements and risk factors in Symbotic's financial release and regulatory filings with the SEC, by which any forward-looking statements made during this call are qualified in their entirety. In addition, during this call, we will discuss certain financial measures that are not recognized under US generally accepted accounting principles, which the SEC refers to as non-GAAP measures. We believe these non-GAAP measures assist management in planning, forecasting, and evaluating our business and financial performance, including allocating resources.
Reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to their most comparable reported GAAP measures are included in our financial press release, which is available in the investor relations section of our website and is on file with the SEC. These GAAP measures may not be comparable to measures used by other issuers. Today, we'll provide guidance for our third quarter, including revenue and adjusted EBITDA. We're not providing guidance for net loss today, which is the most comparable GAAP financial measure to adjusted EBITDA. We're not able to provide reconciliations of adjusted EBITDA to GAAP financial measures because certain items required for such reconciliations are outside of our control and/or cannot be reasonably predicted, such as the provision for stock-based compensation. On today's call, we are joined by Rick Cohen, Symbotic's Founder, Chairman, and Chief Executive Officer, and Tom Ernst, Symbotic's Chief Financial Officer.
These executives will discuss our second quarter 2023 results and our outlook, followed by Q&A. Now, I'll turn the call over to Rick.
Thank you, Jeff. Hello, everyone. As I think about how to talk about and give perspective on our second quarter, it's interesting to look back two years to see the progress we've made since our second quarter of fiscal 2021. Back then, we were building individual prototype systems, and in that quarter, posted $23 million of revenue. We had a vision back then to radically transform the supply chain. We knew we had lots of challenges to overcome, and we are successfully overcoming most of those challenges. Now, just two years later, we have nine systems in full operation at multiple customer sites. We are currently deploying 28 additional systems and reporting over a quarter billion dollars of revenue in the quarter. In two years, we have grown from a company with a sub-$100 million re-revenue run rate to one with a billion-dollar-plus revenue run rate.
In addition to our significant revenue growth, our quarterly results also reflect improving adjusted gross margin, improving operating margin, and additional liquidity. Our teams are working diligently to be more efficient as they keep our many deployment projects running on budget and on schedule and executing a new outsourcing strategy. We are now aggressively diversifying training and scaling up a network of supplier and contractor partners. We feel good about the progress so far and see many ways we can improve. As I said on our call last quarter, we are committed to building a team of world-class talent to help us remain a leader in transforming the supply chain. During the quarter, we added several key team members who are already making important contributions to operations.
Scaling and execution are important in driving our near-term results, but we believe that constantly innovating can sustain those results over the long term. Thank you everyone for your support and interest in what we are doing and for helping us as we realize our vision transforming the supply chain. It's exciting to see our plan coming together, and we have a long way to go, but we're making great progress. Thank you. Now, Tom will discuss our financial performance and outlook. Tom?
Thank you, Rick. Second quarter revenue of $267 million grew 177% compared to a year ago, driven by incredibly strong deployment progress. We initiated 7 new system deployments during the quarter and, as planned, advanced 1 system to full operation. We now have 28 active system deployments in process with multiple customers, an increase from 22 systems last quarter, 9 systems in the second quarter of last year. Our rapid revenue growth was driven by progress on deployments, with particular strength from physical installation at our customer sites. As Rick mentioned, we are gaining efficiency in our deployments by standardizing our systems, streamlining our deploy processes, and realizing the benefits of outsourcing. Our cash and equivalents, including marketable securities and restricted cash, grew $17 million sequentially to $465 million due to favorable working capital performance.
We believe we have more than adequate resources on hand to achieve our strong growth plans and remain very well capitalized to execute our strategy. Recurring revenue continued to grow sequentially as deployments moved to production. We now have nine systems operating at customer sites. Over time, as system completions cascade, recurring revenue should grow to have a much higher gross margin than systems revenue, as well as become an increasing share of our revenue mix to provide powerful operating leverage to our business. Our second quarter adjusted gross margin increased 100 basis points sequentially. These results still reflect significant costs associated with lower margin innovation initiatives, the burden of elevated pass-through steel costs, and costs associated with rapidly scaling our operations.
Adjusted system gross margin improved by 70 basis points sequentially after excluding $5.2 million of the $8.4 million in severance and restructuring charges that flowed through cost of goods sold. This charge was related to discontinued manufacturing activities in Montreal, where we were manufacturing robotic inbound and outbound cells, and curtailed manufacturing capacity in Wilmington, Massachusetts, where we manufacture bots. Our outsourcing success enables us to continue to drive strong deployment growth while also setting the stage for long-term cost savings and margin expansion. In the second quarter, operating expenses, excluding stock-based compensation, increased sequentially as we continued to invest in innovation that can drive sustained growth and margin expansion. Operating leverage improved as we achieved a 4% adjusted EBITDA loss rate compared to 8% last quarter and 27% last year. This was driven by our revenue growth and expanding gross margin.
Turning to our outlook. For the third quarter of fiscal 2023, we expect revenue of between $245 million-$265 million and an adjusted EBITDA loss of between $11 million and $8 million. We are through the midpoint of our fiscal 2023 and are excited about the second half as we continue to transform the supply chain. We are scaling our business and innovating rapidly to deliver for our customers. We look forward to speaking with you again next quarter to provide an update on our progress. Now welcome your questions. Operator, will you please open the Q&A?
Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one one on your touch-tone telephone. Again, to ask a question, please press star one one. One moment for our first question. Our first question comes from Andrew Kaplowitz of Citi. Your line is open.
Good evening, everyone.
Good evening, Andrew.
Rick or Tom, can you give us more color into the transition to outsourcing that you continue to see in terms of the restructuring charge you took? It looks like you expect to see maybe a slight improvement in losses on slightly lower revenue in Q3 than Q2. Are you experiencing in Q3 any of the impact of the restructuring, and when would you expect to see the full impact of the restructuring benefit, you know, the streamlining of manufacturing on your P&L, and how much benefit could you see?
Yes. Thanks, Andy, for that question. As you saw, we took an $8 million restructuring charge. This included both inventories and property, plant, and equipment, as well as $3 million related to people-related severance. That's a little bit over 100 full-time employees, along with a little bit over 100 contractors. That was executed and planned for at the end of the quarter. However, we really begin seeing the benefit of those savings as we get into our fiscal third quarter. Again, those restructurings were associated with the discontinue of cell manufacturing operations in Montreal and then the significant curtailment of bot manufacturing in Wilmington, Massachusetts.
You know, this follows on the heels, as Rick mentioned, of our successful transition of the manufacture of all these goods to outsource partners.
Thanks. I think last quarter, you talked about maybe being a little more predictable in your revenue ramp, but you just beat Q2, beat the street by $50 million, and now you're predicting $10 million lower, you know, in Q3 despite your deployments continuing to rise. Did you just somehow pull forward any, you know, revenue in Q2, or should we begin, you know, after Q3 to see more of a steady sequential increase? I also noticed you didn't give us a backlog number, if it's possible to give us that.
Sure, Andy. Our backlog was $12.0 billion, same number as last quarter. You know, our contributions equaled the outflows in the period. And that will match our remaining performance obligation that we expect to disclose when we file our 10-Q. Andy, I do think that as we're growing scale here and deploying more systems, the revenue is becoming, you know, that quarterly variability is becoming smoother. However, we are still growing really fast, and we're ramping new outsourcing partners. We clearly are still seeing some significant variability in terms of quarter-on-quarter growth. Maybe to give a sense for how this translates out. You know, we do expect to grow rapidly, and that's driven by the 28 systems in deployment.
you know, even as we look here into the second half, the strongest contribution in the second half is gonna be driven from the 9 systems that were started in the second half of 2022, for example. you know, minor timing differences in 1 or 2 or 3 of those 9 systems can have meaningful differences in terms of the actual quarterly revenue growth that we post. As we have more systems in concurrent deployment, we continue to expect that those sort of quarterly variabilities in revenue will begin to diminish over time.
Appreciate the color, guys.
Thanks again.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Summerville of D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.
Thanks. A couple questions. First, Tom, can you maybe comment on, you know, based on the successes you're having out, you know, with outsourcing and the scale you're getting versus the trends, just when you believe the company achieve EBITDA positivity on a sustainable basis? I have a follow-up.
Thanks for the question, Matt. We are certainly encouraged with the successes we're having with our outsourcing partners and continue to work that program. You know, as I think Rick highlighted and I emphasized as well, we do believe that we'll begin to see benefits and leverage in the near to midterm. We continue to believe that over the long term that while certainly it'll help us achieve our primary goal in outsourcing, which was the ability to scale this business to a much greater scale, that we think it will result in higher long-term profitability as well. While we're not giving, you know, we're not giving guidance, I think that consensus expectations in the street, many analysts are looking for profitability in Q4.
You know, we're not looking forward to the full year. But what I can say is that we do believe that our operating leverage is quite high, that, you know, as we're able to scale revenue, we believe that we will continue to benefit from expanding gross margins, and we'll continue to see OpEx growth be moderate. And in particular, in the near term, we think operating expense growth can be curtailed significantly through the benefits of the outsourcing restructuring plan we just put in place at the end of this last quarter.
Great. Maybe as a follow-up, can you talk a little bit about, maybe some of the progress you're making with BreakPack and SymBot and when, you know, you think those solutions will kind of be ready for game time, if you will?
We're really pleased with the progress we've made on the SymBot. That was a big technology change for us. Though we are not realizing all the value that will come and it's gonna come over time. There's some software that we're still releasing and some AI sourcing and predictive maintenance, all good things. They'll be coming in the next year. We're really pleased with 2 things. One, we have a great new product. Two, we successfully managed to prototype it and then move it to outsourcing partners. That'll continue to improve. That was a big deal in the last 6 months. Nobody should underestimate successfully outsourcing without blowing up your supply chain. That's all I'll say about that.
We're very happy with how it's gone. On the BreakPack, I'm probably there one day a week, sometimes two days a week. That's gonna be a great product for us. It's still rough. It's our first prototype, but we would expect, certainly in the next six months that we should see very good results out of that.
I'll just add to that, Matt, that we are still actively field testing SymBot today too. We haven't announced the final general release of that product, but we have many, many of those units out actually running in live production environments today at multiple sites and multiple customers.
Got it. Thank you, guys.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Delaney of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Yes, good afternoon. Thank you very much for taking the questions. The first one is on the bridge from the fiscal first quarter to the most recently completed fiscal second quarter. Revenue is up roughly $60 million sequentially. I think EBITDA improved about $5 million. Tom, I know you called out a number of pass-throughs that were impacting that, such as steel. Could you elaborate a little bit more on how much that was impacting both revenue and EBITDA sequentially and any other key puts and takes?
Yeah. Thanks for the question, Mark. You're right. We did see gross margin in particular improve by about 100 basis points sequentially. Let me address it maybe in 2 points. First, gross margin, then I'll talk about OpEx. You know, there's a few factors that benefited the expansion in gross margin. You know, first, recurring revenue margins are improving and recurring revenue is increasing as new deployments are waterfalling in, steel, while it's still significantly above the 10-year average, was actually a modest sequential benefit, so that actually was a part of the 100 basis point expansion as well.
Finally, while we're still experiencing several hundred basis points of impact from rapid growth and innovation projects, in our gross margin that are actually our headwind we talk about consistently, quarter-on-quarter, those are diminishing as well. All three of those factors were directionally moving in the right way. OpEx increased by about $7 million, which, you know, goes counter to the overall EBITDA contribution margin. As we think about OpEx, you know, a couple factors there. First, the restructuring plan we put in place really didn't have a material financial impact in the fiscal second quarter. Those will begin vending for us in earnest in 3Q.
Also, if you'll recall, when we talked about the second quarter, we had a lot less project and other variable work in the quarter. We had some more of that, just project and variable type of activity in the fiscal second quarter. We're also continuing a long-term plan to upgrade, transform our talent overall. So we are seeing a little bit higher average cost per employee. In particular, as we look at the transformation of our workforce, we've had a material shift towards technical talent, and that was particularly strong in the second quarter. So those are things that we think will materially benefit us over the long run.
While we're not disclosing, headcount numbers in detail, you know, net, we actually saw an over 20 headcount increase in our engineering force despite the total company in terms of full-time employees being down 20 headcounts, for example.
Thank you for all the helpful color, Tom. My second one was on the backlog. Thank you for giving the update on where it stands in total. Could you comment any more on the composition of it in terms of what kind of gross margin you might think is embedded in the backlog relative to where you're running? You know, when you think about the backlog, how much is coming from hardware relative to some of these subscription elements and software? Thanks.
Sure. Thanks, Mark. As you know, Mark, our backlog disclosure, we tie to our accounting remaining performance obligation disclosure. Therefore, our backlog only includes contractual commitments, which means it's heavily populated by systems revenue, as some of our recurring revenue sources, you know, will have annual or only partial 10, 15-year type of contributions. First time. Pause it. First part of your question, Mark?
Oh, yeah.
Backlog.
Yes. That's helpful. Thanks, Tom. The anything you can share on the gross margin embedded in the backlog relative to where the company is currently running, if you're able to comment there.
Yeah. Thank you. Overall gross margin is 18.3%. We continue to expect that the structural gross margins implicit in that backlog are much closer to 30%. You know, the difference between that 18% and the high 20s% is really the 3 factors that I talked about relative to your first question. You know, in particular, the biggest of which is the financial impact in our COGS of our rapid growth and our shift to outsourcing, along with our innovation projects that are heavily weighted in upfront revenues in that backlog. You know, that close to 30% structural gross margin is structural for the systems revenue only.
As we think about structural gross margins for the recurring component of that backlog, we see them, well north of 50% into the 60% range. You blend those two together to get, to get something that's, in the high 30s.
Thank you.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Nicole DeBlase of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Yeah, thanks for the question, guys.
Hi, Nicole.
Hi there. Maybe just starting on the restructuring. With the continued focus on outsourcing, should we expect more of these restructuring charges to come, or do you think this was more of a one-off? Any color at all on quantifying the benefit that we should see from what you spent in the quarter over the next several quarters? Thanks.
Yeah. Thanks for the question, Nicole. As I said in my prepared remarks, the restructuring includes the complete discontinuation of manufacturing of ourself, selves in Montreal and a significant curtailment in Wilmington. While we don't have any others to talk about today, you know, that's a significant portion of the manufacturing activity we had to date. Obviously, we're continuing to advance our outsourcing initiatives across the range of things that we do. You know, there may be more in the future, but, you know, we'll talk about those as it's time to talk about them.
Got it. Thanks. Just shifting to the steel dynamic. Steel inflation has continued to tick a bit higher year to date. Is the expectation that this quarter is kind of the maximum benefit that you should see from steel? You talked about it being a sequential good guy. Like, does it then turn into a sequential bad guy in the second half of the year? Thanks.
Yeah. Yeah, thanks for the question, Nicole. You're right. If you pull up the steel chart, it's shown quite a bit of volatility. No. Based on what we've seen to date, our steel purchases tend to be dollar weighted in the 10 to 12 months prior to actual installation where the revenue is concentrated, the installation phase. We would actually expect the max benefit quarter to be our fiscal Q4 before you begin to see some of the uptaking that we've seen recently create some headwinds. You know, it is hard to predict where these things are gonna go because of the nature, which is one of the fortunate things that our business model allows us to pass these costs on to...
Largely pass these costs on to our customers, making our profit dollars very predictable, even though it does have a gross margin impact in terms of what we report on a percentage basis.
Thanks. I'll pass it on.
Thanks again, Nicole.
Thanks.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Jim Ricchiuti of Needham. Your line is open.
Hi. Thanks for allowing the question. Just a important the background noise. Question on gross margins, if it sounds like you cited several factors that could be more of a tailwind to gross margins. I'm also trying to understand where exactly you are in the ramp-up with your outsourcing partners. If you're making enough progress in the early days of this that we're gonna continue to see that be a benefit in the next 1-2 quarters or is there still, you know, additional costs you're incurring as you ramp these outsourcing partners? Thanks.
Yeah, thanks for the question, Jim. We, we do see more tailwinds as we look forward. Now we still do have a lot of work to do with our outsourcing partners. While we have significant outsourcing happening across our entire value chain, we're still working on acquiring more partners across each of those, so manufacturing and approach to commissioning. We also expect that our work with these partners in terms of collaboration and communication is gonna benefit our mutual operations together over time. This is something that we think will provide opportunity to improve our efficiency over a multi-quarter timeframe, you know, rather than just a multi-week timeframe.
There's just some nearer term benefits that now that we have the confidence and the capacity up and running with these partners, that we're able to do things like discontinue our own operations, that provide some immediate benefits. I'd say it's a mix, Jim, but we're clearly have a significant roadmap of opportunity over many quarters.
I don't know if you wanna comment on this, but, what I'm thinking, I'm also trying to understand is the rate at which you're scaling. How many system deployments would you anticipate advancing in the current quarter?
Is the question how many do we anticipate initiating in this, in this current quarter?
Initiating. I'm sorry. Yes. Yes, that's right.
Yeah. You know, we initiated seven system deployments in the last quarter we just reported in our fiscal second quarter. We don't tend to guide for the one quarter forward. I do think that there can be quarter-on-quarter variability in those numbers. As we think about multiple quarters over time, we look to grow that number. Jim, you should assume that there will be some ups and downs in terms of quarters. We feel like the seven we did this quarter and the six we did last quarter is an exceptionally strong quarter, you know, relative to our growth plans.
Got it. Thanks for that.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Latimore of Northland Capital. Your line is open.
Great. Thanks. Just in terms of supply availability, is that improving? Is there further improvements that could occur? Can you just give some tone around that?
Yeah. Yeah, thanks for the question, Mike. We do continue to believe that the supply chain environment is improving. It is still not a normal supply chain environment, we are still clearly battling things that, you know, would have been atypical, pre-COVID in terms of, you know, canceled orders and things like that. In addition to perhaps the supply chain environment getting better, we are a much more formidable buyer. We're getting the attention of suppliers, we're getting the attention of partners, those, we think as well are continuing to improve our ability to execute.
Great. In terms of the future plans on outsourcing, is the main focus here adding more partners to current sort of functional categories, or are there other functions you're looking that you will eventually outsource?
No. We've pretty much picked the partners. We have partners that'll help us install sites, partners that'll help us build the SymBots, partners that'll help us build the cells. We're pretty well executed our strategy on outsourcing, and the partners will get better. They'll continue to help us innovate, but we're pretty much this last 2 quarters were big quarters for us in getting this job done. Yeah. We've got the functions covered, Mike, and now our goal is to deepen the bench. Broadens the bench and partners.
Yeah. Okay. All right. Very good. Thank you.
Thanks, Mike.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Greg Palm of Craig-Hallum. Your line is open.
Yeah, thanks for taking the questions. Here, I wanted to follow up on the outsourced commentary now that you're several more months into that. Can you just comment on how that's translating to, you know, the speed cost, as you've shifted more of that to partners? I guess I'm asking relative to maybe what your earlier or prior expectations was.
Yeah. Greg, it has enabled us to continue to execute to our plan. you know, we are seeing our targeted deployments set with a little bit faster timeframe than we were executing to the systems that we're just completing, for example. As we've engaged with these partners, and talked about the kind of structural improvements, both in terms of processes and collaboration, but also in terms of technology, we are further encouraged that the opportunity to compress deployment timeframe is real tangible and something that we're gonna work on together over the coming multiple quarters to years.
Okay. Just following up on an earlier question about EBITDA profitability. Tom, you commented on, I guess, consensus estimates for Q4. I guess my question is, were you effectively blessing those, or what was the rationale for commenting on those directly?
Yeah. Thanks for the question, Greg. No, we're not providing full year guidance, I just wanted to set context for it. You know, what we will say is as the revenue is able to scale, we believe that we're in a strong position to have high operating leverage.
Okay. Fair enough. I'll leave it there. Thanks.
Thanks, Greg.
One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Joe Giordano of Cowen. Your line is open.
Hey, guys.
Hi, Joe.
Rick, just given your comments about BreakPack and you're making good progress there planning out over the next 6 months, how should we think about like R&D levels post-2023? Like, could we see a step down in spend now that you've kind of gone through SymBot and you're going through BreakPack to a large extent now? How should we think about the required levels to keep the organization on the cutting edge?
Yeah. I don't think you'll see a reduction in R&D. I think we'll look to pull money out by just being more efficient with the organization. We're gonna continue to fund R&D simply 'cause we have a lot of great products that we haven't talked about that are in the works that are gonna help us a lot. This is just a great innovative lab here, and we continue to recruit really great talent. The answer to your question is no, I don't think you should expect our R&D to drop.
I'll add to that, Joe, that you're right that BreakPack, along with SymBot, are very significant projects in our innovation budget. As we complete those projects, we have a big war chest to do some of the other things that we haven't talked about yet that Rick mentioned looking forward.
Then like how should I think about, you know, ancillary things? Like when you're... Okay, so the final output of SymBot, you have a pallet, and then you talk about how to get that pallet onto a truck. Is it forklift drivers? Is it automated forklifts? Like how do you evaluate like what stuff we should provide and what stuff we should have a preferred partner, like if it was an autonomous forklift or something like that? Like not just that application, but just in general, how do you go about evaluating what stuff should be Symbotic and what stuff should be partners of SymBot?
The way to evaluate it is we're trying to encourage people to be good partners to Symbotic because we want to control all the software that we can within a warehouse. If we can find a partner that has an AGV or an AMR, and we can interface our software with their software and load the truck, the customer wins, we create more value. That's a good thing. The things that we're really innovating on, that we had to, that's kind of the culture of the company from SymBot from day one is, a lot of the stuff that we innovated on Symbotic, I mean, I looked for partners, I couldn't find anybody, so I had to do it myself.
I think the real value add is there's a lot of things that we are working on that nobody makes a product that would meet our standards, and so those are the things that we'll continue to innovate on. Obviously, I'm not gonna tell you what they are, but there are some really interesting products that would allow us to create some really interesting systems.
The last for me, just to clean up. Are there any lockups left at this point? The stock's been over $12 for the required time now. I'm just curious if any, if there are any lockups remaining inclusive of like you guys on the senior team.
There are. Some of the affiliated shares are still locked. Everything is unlocked, saved for board members, Rick, family trusts, and myself. Our lock-up is in effect until a year post the public listing.
Okay. Thanks, guys.
Thank you.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Rob Mason of RW Baird. Your line is open.
Yes, good evening. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask a question just to clarify on the backlog. You noted that it was flat quarter-to-quarter, and clearly you booked $267 million in revenue. Is, I'm just curious what the offset was. Was there a new customer in there, or did you add additional systems out of, from existing customers? What would accounted for it holding flat?
Yeah. Thanks for the question, Rob. No, no new customers booked in the quarter. What we're seeing is a higher variable consideration than what we contemplated when we entered the period.
That variable consideration relates to? Is it profitability or-
It relates to the business that's now under deployment and execution. The variable component's higher than what it was before we had that component added to the started deployments.
Okay. Okay. Just as a follow-up, the, you've brought on a lot of partners, as you've outlined here over the last, two quarters. Has any of your partners, have you observed them, basically start to finish on projects or deployments, to be able to assess, you know, the timeline that they're working on, you know, working from initial start, I guess? Can you just speak about their ability to commission and get projects over the finish line, how you feel about that and the timeframe?
Yeah. Thanks, Rob. You know, this highlights something. While we did and we made comments about a year ago that we wanted to put our foot on the gas in our outsourcing initiatives, and we did so. And since then, are now have fully outsourced across our value chain, most of what we do. That wasn't the start of our outsourcing initiative. We've had some significant components outsourced from the start, such as our lift systems, for example. Our experience in those first waves have gone from start to finish with a high degree of success and teamwork with those partners. This latest wave, we have completed an extensive part, I'd say of the outsourcing life cycle with them.
We do have a long demonstrated track record of being successful with outsourcing from start to finish and then for a year or two to follow that.
Very good. Thank you.
Thanks, Rob.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Derek Soderberg. You can answer, your line is open.
Yeah. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Sort of related to the question just asked, just looking at the system deployments initiated this quarter, is the expectation that those deployments today will sort of reach live production faster than maybe those initiated 6 to 12 months ago? Just curious if you can update us on your progress shrinking those deployment timelines, and if you can quantify any of that progress, that'd be great.
Yeah, just to give you a sense, Derek. You know, you know, as the supply chain environment got tighter looking backwards, we actually extended the timeframe a bit, so we got an earlier start on procurement. Since that timeframe, we've been able to pull in 2 months. Part of that's related to partners and you know, part of that's just the efficiencies that we're able to gain in getting new systems out in the field. Short answer to your question is, yes, that you know, the systems we're initiating in this period, we're targeting a shorter deployment than the ones we initiated, say 6 or 12 months ago.
Got it. That's helpful. I was wondering if you could talk a bit about your ability to add another large customer this year. You know, a lot of progress on concurrent deployments. Sounds like you're happy with the outsourcing partners. Do you think you guys have the ability to add sort of another, say, multi-billion dollar customer this year? Are those some agreements? Are you actually actively pursuing those agreements right now?
Yeah. Thanks for the question, Derek. As you know, we added UNFI as a customer and discussed that last period. Our business plan continues to be here in the near term to add new customers by the ones or twos per year. We are continuing to evaluate. We didn't add one in this quarter we're reporting now, but we are continuing to look at that and do expect that here in the near term, one to two customers per year.
Great. Thanks.
Thank you.
Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Snyder of UBS. Your line is open.
Thank you. When we see the implied improvement in fiscal Q3 margins, is this primarily driven by better gross margin? With that, how far do you think the business is from hitting that 30% target gross margin level for systems? It seems like price cost pressure is going away over the next couple quarters, but I'm not sure if a higher level of scale is needed to get to that number. Thank you.
Yes. Thanks for the question, Chris. We think that we'll continue to see gross margin expansion as we look forward over quarters, and that is, you know, consistent to improving gross margin is implicit in our outlook. We also do expect that we'll see some efficiencies in our OpEx, primarily from the benefit of the restructuring program that I discussed in my prepared remarks. That's, that's the real fundamental basis for seeing the bit of operating leverage on slightly lower revenues implicit in our guide. Thinking about structural gross margins, we think that that's an effort that will take us, you know, several quarters to a couple of years to really get the benefit.
You know, here in the near term, what we're focused in on is driving strong long-term profitability. You know, we think that we can drive the greatest present value of our business by achieving scale and getting in and penetrating the market. While we're doing that, we're focused on smart execution and ramping profitability over the course. We want that balanced approach of maximizing long-term profitability and scale while being executing with expanding margins.
Thank you. I appreciate that. For a follow-up, maybe something a little bit higher level. You know, you guys have quite the blue chip customer base. With that, I was just wondering, is there any color or commentary you could provide around the level of existing automation within these customers' facilities? You know, just given that they're big customers, I would imagine there's some level of automation in there. Just trying to get a sense for, you know, kind of the rate of change, on the upgrade. Thank you.
Yeah. Rick can comment too. At a high level, for these large customers, every distribution center we go into is fully mechanized with conveyance-based automation. Generally, we go in, and we're replacing a highly functioning world-class conveyance system.
Most of the, I mean, most of the systems we're replacing are 20 years old, and so most of the customers we have look at everything in the world, and so they have had some type of automation. What, of course, is exciting for us is that we believe we're the next generation of that automation, and these systems have a long life once installed. The focus has really been making sure these customers are just braggingly happy with what we're selling, and then we think we can sell a lot more.
Thank you.
Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Jeff Evanson for any closing remarks.
Thank you, Valerie, and thank you everyone for joining our call this afternoon. We appreciate your interest in Symbotic, and we look forward to seeing you at our Investor Day on May 18th in Tampa or when we're out visiting with investors. Thank you. Have a good day.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.