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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Apr 27, 2022

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Trinity Industries' First Quarter Results Conference Call. All participants are currently in a listen-only mode. If you should need assistance during today's presentation, you may signal an operator by pressing star and then zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. At that time, to ask a question, you may press star and then one to join the question queue. Please also note today's event is being recorded. Before we get started, let me remind you that today's conference call contains forward-looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, and includes statements as to estimates, expectations, intentions, and predictions of future financial performance. Statements that are not historical facts are forward-looking.

Participants are directed to Trinity's Form 10-K and other SEC filings for a description of certain of the business issues and risks. A change in any of which could cause actual results or outcomes to differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements. At this time, I'd like to hand the call over to Leigh Anne Mann, Vice President of Investor Relations. Ma'am, please go ahead.

Leigh Anne Mann
VP of Investor Relations, Trinity Industries

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for the company's first quarter 2022 financial results conference call. Our prepared remarks will include comments from Jean Savage, Trinity's Chief Executive Officer and President, and Eric Marchetto, the company's Chief Financial Officer. We will hold a Q&A session following the prepared remarks from our leaders. During the call today, we will reference slides highlighting key points of discussion as well as certain non-GAAP financial metrics. The reconciliations of the non-GAAP metrics to comparable GAAP metrics are provided in the appendix of the supplemental slides, which are accessible on our investor relations website at www.trin.net. These slides can be found under the Events and Presentations portion of the website, along with the first quarter earnings conference call event link.

A replay of today's call will be available after 10:30 A.M. Eastern Time through midnight on May 4th, 2022. The replay number is eight seven seven-three four four-seven five two nine, with an access code of seven three three three-six eight four. A replay of the webcast will also be available under the Events and Presentations page on our investor relations website. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Jean.

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Thank you, Leigh Anne. Good morning, everyone. Before we get started today, I wanted to point out that both our 2021 annual report and our interim CSR update report are available on our website. I'm especially proud that our CSR report provides a summary of our first formal materiality assessment, the results of which are driving our ESG strategy forward with a priority focus on employee health and safety, diversity, equity, and inclusion, human rights, energy consumption, and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. I'll start my comments on slide three. As we have seen some of the pandemic concerns and restrictions easing, it was nice to be back in person and participate in industry events again in the first quarter. We continue to see strengthening market tailwinds, as we discussed on our last call.

However, new headwinds appear to be developing, including persistent inflation, increasing interest rates, and the ripple effects of the war in Ukraine. Particularly in the U.S., challenges persist in certain labor markets and supply chains as well. I want to stress the optimism I have about the second half of this year. While we will address some of the headwinds we saw the first quarter, we continue to expect leasing margins to improve with rising rates and increased utilization of the fleet driven by strong railcar demand. Also, our rail manufacturing backlog is extremely strong, and we'll start delivering railcars and conversions that were sold in more favorable market conditions as the year progresses. Our book-to-bill in the quarter was over 2 x. Our future lease rate differential improved to 2.4% and has now been positive for three quarters.

Our fleet utilization continues to improve and is back to pre-pandemic levels at 96.5%. Although we will continue to face challenges in the second quarter, our forward-looking metrics support our optimism about a strong second half of 2022, and we are maintaining our EPS guidance with that in mind. Now turn with me to slide four for a rail market update and commercial overview. Through the first quarter, we saw continued improvement in demand, which is great, but the rail industry has had difficulty serving that demand. Railroads have been very open about their struggles retaining and hiring labor to scale with the increase in freight demand. Their struggles created a disconnect between weekly carload measures and true freight rail transportation demand. We believe that demand for freight rail transportation is greater than the rail traffic measures would suggest.

This disconnect is most evident in the fact that although year-to-date North American rail volumes are down year- over- year, the number of railcars in storage continues to decline. This decline has been steady since the summer of 2020. The downward trend in railcar storage is a function of more demand from shippers to move product, increased scrapping, and slower train speeds. The railroads indicate they are working to improve efficiency and expect to resolve these issues later this year. Improved efficiency is good for traffic growth long term. As I mentioned a moment ago, our TrinityRail fleet utilization improved in the quarter to 96.5% as we placed more railcars in service. This was also aided by momentum in our sustainable railcar conversion program. To date, we have converted 1,095 railcars.

Remember, these are railcars that would otherwise be underutilized or scrapped, but are instead converted or upgraded to better meet changing market demands and drive higher returns on our invested capital. Also, on lease fleet demand, our FLRD was 2.4% in the quarter, the third consecutive positive quarter, giving us momentum into the revenue tailwind for renewing railcar lease rates. Railcar orders and deliveries are both up year-over-year as well. In the quarter, our Rail Products Group received orders for 5,055 railcars and delivered 2,470 railcars. The market demand continues to be led by freight cars, and in the first quarter, we saw replacement demand for boxcars to serve predominantly the paper and food markets. As our order book for 2022 deliveries is close to full, we are now taking orders into 2023.

Deliveries are still being impacted by supply chain disruptions, but we did see on-time deliveries improve steadily through the first quarter due to some easing in pandemic-related absenteeism, as well as better internal handling of our inventory and supply chain. We expect to end 2022 with daily railcar production basically doubling from where we started the year. Again, another very tangible sign of strong market demand. Turning to slide five, Eric will go into more detail on our financial highlights, but I'd like to just note a few metrics. Our Q1 2022 revenue of $473 million is up 43% from Q1 2021, driven by the strong external deliveries in the quarter. Our GAAP EPS was $0.09 and includes another insurance gain from the Cartersville tornado that benefited the rail product segment.

Excluding that gain, our Adjusted EPS from continuing operations was $0.03. Our cash flow from continuing operations was $29 million in the quarter, and free cash flow was $48 million, both impacted by working capital growth due to manufacturing volume increases and ongoing supply chain inefficiencies. We believe our business is well prepared to handle these current headwinds of supply chain disruptions, high input costs, and freight surcharges, but we're not immune to their effects. We are managing these challenges, and this is especially apparent in our working capital growth. Our mitigation efforts include intentionally building up inventory to dampen the effect of supply chain unreliability. Now moving to slide six and the discussion on our business segments.

In our leasing business, our revenues are up slightly quarter-over-quarter and have remained pretty flat over the last year as our utilization is improving while the overall size of the lease fleet has decreased slightly. Lease rates are down slightly on average due to the mix of the fleet and the timing of fleet renewals. As a reminder, our average remaining lease term is about three years. While renewals and renewal rates are positive, it takes time to see these flow through the results. Our operating margins in the leasing segment were challenged this quarter due to a few factors. We saw an increase in the cost and volume of maintenance activities. Additionally, as we have stated before, the sustainable railcar conversion requires accelerated depreciation on donor railcars.

The railcars that are the best candidates for conversion are younger railcars, so the impact of the accelerated depreciation can meaningfully reduce operating margins in the near term. However, we continue to believe this program is a worthwhile investment in future benefit as the railcars drive more profitability to the fleet. Moving to Rail Products, quarterly revenue was down sequentially due to the timing of deliveries, but still reflects substantial growth and improving fundamentals year- over- year. Looking forward, our orders taken in the first quarter were strong and reflected growth from both a revenue and a margin perspective. Operating margin in the segment was 0.2%, but includes a gain of $6.4 million from insurance proceeds from the Cartersville tornado.

We have removed this gain when calculating Adjusted EPS, but as a point of reference, rail products margin would have been a - 1.4% excluding this gain. Operating margins in the Rail Products Group remain challenged. As I mentioned on our call in February, in the first half of the year, we are delivering railcars that were ordered at the bottom of the cycle, including some fixed price contracts, which have been negatively impacted by high steel and raw material prices. The orders we are taking today and the orders we will be delivering in the back half of 2022 reflect much stronger pricing. When those orders start to deliver, we expect to see a meaningful step change in our margins in the segment.

In addition to the input cost inflation, margins in the segment were also impacted due to a higher level of production line changeovers. Additionally, our maintenance services business struggled in the quarter, largely due to very high absenteeism in January, due to the Omicron wave leading to operating inefficiencies. As so many other companies have mentioned, Omicron was a meaningful disruption to our business in Q1, but quickly subsided. We have previously talked about difficulties in hiring and retention, specifically in the United States. We are making changes to our compensation and benefits to stay competitive in the marketplace. While early, we are starting to see improvement. Moving to slide seven, I wanted to highlight a few improvements on our strategic initiatives. Our LTV in the quarter of 63.8% is within our target range of 60%-65%.

We are in year two of the three-year plan we laid out at the Investor Day in 2020 and think we are well positioned to reach the goals we presented to you then, including a mid-teen pretax ROE goal. Now I'll turn the call over to Eric to go into more detail on our financial results and our guidance for the rest of the year.

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

Thank you, Jean, and good morning, everyone. There are a few things I wanted to point out before talking about the quarter's results. First, in 2020, we introduced the future lease rate differential, or FLRD. This metric calculates the implied change in revenue for railcar leases expiring over the next four quarters, assuming they were renewed at the current transacted lease rate for each railcar type. We have refined the way we aggregate the data to better correlate with actual revenues and have adjusted the FLRD to account for this change in prior periods, as you will see on the trend line on slide four. The goal of this metric is the same, and we view it as a good indicator of the direction of our future leasing revenue.

As we previously announced, we priced a $245 million asset-backed securitization that is expected to close tomorrow. The debt is backed by a discrete pool of railcar assets that TILC will continue to own and manage. This financing is critical to our ongoing balance sheet management, as the majority of the railcars that will serve as collateral for this debt will come from our warehouse facility, freeing up more availability. At an interest rate of 4.55%, it is clear that we are in a different financing environment than last year. We are very pleased with investor interest in our securitization program. As we move forward, we will evaluate the most attractive financing structures for our capital needs. Now please turn to slide eight, with highlights from our financial statements, starting with the income statement.

Total revenues of $473 million in the quarter were relatively flat sequentially and up significantly from the first quarter 2021. The year-over-year increase is driven by increased rail product deliveries. Our first quarter GAAP EPS from continuing operations was $0.09. Adjusting for the Cartersville gain previously mentioned, our Adjusted EPS was $0.03. We also benefited in the quarter from a gain of $11 million that came from railcar portfolio sales and a gain of $7 million on the sale of a nonoperating property. Railcar portfolio sales are a normal part of our business and you can expect to see them periodically. I also wanted to briefly talk about our results in discontinued operations, which you'll see in our 10-Q that we'll file later today.

In the quarter, we recorded additional legal and transaction costs incurred in the period related to the highway products business that we sold in the fourth quarter of 2021. Moving to the cash flow statement, cash flow from continuing operations was $29 million, and free cash flow after investments and dividends was $48 million. Our cash flow was negatively impacted in the quarter by increases in working capital requirements and continued supply chain issues. As operating conditions normalize, we expect to see cash flow improve significantly. We paid $19 million in dividends in the quarter. As a reminder, we are unable to buy back any additional shares until the accelerated share repurchase program is complete, which we expect by the third quarter. Our current share repurchase authorization has $73 million remaining and expires at the end of the year. Moving to slide nine.

We remain diligent in optimizing our balance sheet and have liquidity of $718 million as of March 31st. As you can see from our reported results, we have benefited from lower interest expense resulting from our previous financings. Having fixed approximately 75% of our debt at rates that are attractive relative to the current market, we believe our debt profile and maturity schedule will help dampen the impact of the current rising rate environment. I'd like to reinforce the guidance we gave on our last call summarized on slide 10. We are leaving our guidance unchanged as our first quarter results are in line with expectations. As Jean mentioned, our 2022 forecast is significantly weighted in the second half of the year. For the full year, we see industry railcar deliveries to be between 40,000 and 50,000 railcars.

Recent order and inquiry activity suggest virtually all of the deliveries are in the industry backlog. It's also worth noting, once again, these delivery numbers do not take railcar conversions into account. Our long-term commitment to disciplined investment in the fleet remains, and we are anticipating net fleet investment of $450 million-$550 million in the year, depending on the timing of deliveries. Embedded in this number are secondary market purchases, which we are anticipating to be meaningful this year. As we think about our three-year fleet investment targets, we are balancing our fleet investment in a period of increased demand for new railcar leases with a very active secondary market. We will continue to allocate capital to generate long-term shareholder value.

We expect manufacturing and general capital expenditures of $35 million-$45 million, which will be primarily related to investments in safety, efficiency, and automation. Finally, we expect adjusted earnings per diluted share from continued operations of $0.85-$1.05 for the full year, excluding any one-time items like the Cartersville gain this quarter. As we move into the second half of the year, we will see substantial growth in our business, and we are confident that we have the initiatives in place to enable us to overcome the current headwinds in our business. As Jean mentioned, our rate of new railcar production will increase significantly through the year based on the visibility from the orders we have booked in the last few months, and we expect that to be evident in higher revenues.

We expect to exit the year with mid- to high single-digit margins in rail products, hitting the goal we introduced at our Investor Day. We expect similar trends in leasing, with higher lease rates driving up revenue in the segment and normalization of maintenance costs driving up margins in this group. We are seeing increased interest in utilizing existing railcars due to the rise in prices of new railcars. Given higher demand, we're able to raise the rates on these older railcars that have a lower cost basis and thus improve our return on equity. In closing, Trinity has greater near-term visibility, and this allows us to have confidence in the company's ability to achieve our guidance for the year as well as our long-term return goals. We look forward to sharing our progress with you. Now, operator, we are ready for our first question.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we'll begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, please press star and then one to join the question queue. If at any time your question has been addressed or you'd like to remove yourself from the question queue, you may do so by pressing star and two. If you are using a speakerphone, we do ask that you please pick up the handset prior to pressing the numbers to ensure the best sound quality. Those instructions in mind, once again, you may press star and then one to join the queue. Our first question today comes from Bascome Majors from Susquehanna. Please go ahead with your question.

Bascome Majors
Equity Research Analyst, Susquehanna

Yeah, good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to go back. I mean, I know you have the three-year plan out there, but gosh, a lot of things have changed and, you know, some of them quite positive for your business, others maybe more mixed since November 2020. I was hoping we could maybe high level go through some of those factors that have shifted and talk about, you know, how they affect your business. You know, starting maybe with interest rates, and I know you alluded to 75% of your debt being fixed now. But just, you know, how you feel about the funding of the fleet and in what a sustained higher rate environment changes on your leasing strategy, if it changes it at all?

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

Sure, Bascome this is Eric . Yeah, a good question, and I did comment in our prepared remarks about our debt profile, and we're very pleased with the mix of debt we have. As I mentioned, we're closing on another financing tomorrow. We access the ABS market. Clearly interest rates are elevated from where they were over the last couple of years. We have a very nice maturity profile, very little in the way of maturities the next couple of years. Most of our leasing debt is fixed rate. You know, the increase in the interest rate environment will have an impact. It mainly has an impact on new railcar leases.

As that's where you really notice the funding cost, is on those investment decisions when you're acquiring railcars. Whether you're acquiring them in the new assets or if you're acquiring railcars in the secondary market, that's really where that interest rate comes into play. You know, the result of higher interest rates is it's gonna make investors' hurdle rates higher, which should make lease rates higher. That's, you know, that gets back into the existing fleet and we expect, and we're seeing from our FLRD that lease rates are going higher. That's one of the factors that allow that to go higher once you have periods of balance, which we do have more, you know, the industry fleet's more in balance today.

It is a change, but I think overall, you know, with the existing fleet, it is more of a benefit than a harm.

Bascome Majors
Equity Research Analyst, Susquehanna

All right. Short term, since you have fixed so much of your portfolio in the last three or four years, you think that inflation helps you more on revenue than it hurts you on funding?

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

Yeah, I do. You know, you're gonna reprice the fleet over, if we have a three-year remaining lease term, which we do on average, so we're gonna reprice a significant amount of the fleet during the period of that fixed debt piece. It does, I mean, it does get into timing, but overall, I think it's a benefit.

Bascome Majors
Equity Research Analyst, Susquehanna

No.

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

Go ahead.

Bascome Majors
Equity Research Analyst, Susquehanna

No, go ahead, I'm sorry.

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

No, these are long-term assets. You know, these are 30, 40-year assets, part of leasing business is, you know, you finance it and then you pay down the debt and you refinance it. Every time you refinance it, those are liquidity events. It just speaks to the cash flow generation of the lease fleet. Even in periods with higher interest rates, I would expect we'll still generate significant amounts of cash flow from it over time.

Bascome Majors
Equity Research Analyst, Susquehanna

You know, I'll ask one more on kind of a similar angle. I mean, certainly steel prices and new asset costs have been dramatically more inflationary than I'm assuming you underwrote in that plan in November of 2020. You know, I'm a little surprised the I think the annual guide for net lease fleet investment of what? $450 million-$500 million is roughly in line with what you had planned over three years in that period. Can you talk a little bit about the math between, you know, monetizing assets in a very high new car price environment versus investing in the future of your lease fleet, and how that balance has changed or can change in this environment versus how you planned a couple of years ago?

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

Yeah. Another very insightful question, and, you're right on a lot of fronts. Things have changed. The one thing that has not changed is our capital allocation framework, and we're committed to, we talked about modest lease fleet investment over that three-year period. We're still looking at not modest fleet investment over that period, but things have changed. You know, when we put out our Q today, you know, our backlog, there's more demand for railcars currently. That includes more demand for lease product as well, as our backlog for both has grown.

When you look at that net fleet investment that you cited, the $450 million-$550 million, just keep in mind that is a net number, which includes both additions out of our manufacturing side, so new lease fleet additions. It also includes any secondary market activity that we do, and then it is net of railcar sales. Our platform has an opportunity to create value with all of those inputs in our net fleet investment. I think what it comes down to is timing. We have seen more demand for leases. We are seeing opportunities in the secondary market. We are also seeing more demand for our rail lease products through sales, whether it is through our RIV platform or whether it is through the secondary market.

All that gets in the timing. You cannot transact until you have the content. I think when you look at it over a single year, it can get a little lumpy. When you get to over three years, you know, nothing has changed in our framework and what we're gonna do. That's a really long answer, but there's a lot of inputs and a lot of puts and takes. I'll stop there and see if you have any questions.

Bascome Majors
Equity Research Analyst, Susquehanna

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt Elkott from Cowen. Please go ahead with your question.

Matt Elkott
Equity Research Analyst, Cowen

Thank you. Good morning, guys. I know the inquiry activity is still strong, and the translation into orders, you know, clearly picked up in the last two quarters as steel prices began to ease. Has the translation to orders subsided again following the conflict in Europe, which, you know, drove steel prices back up?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Morning, Matt, Jean. We're actually still seeing strong conversion. The impacts of inflation, the impacts of steel prices going back up after we saw them come down, have really not changed that pattern yet. As we look at it, the car owners are making long-term decisions on what they're gonna put into their fleet. Some of the short-term headwinds that we're seeing have not slowed anything down yet.

Matt Elkott
Equity Research Analyst, Cowen

Got it. The quarter- to- date order number is satisfying for you guys so far?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

If you're talking about the second quarter, yes, I would say we're still happy with what we're seeing.

Matt Elkott
Equity Research Analyst, Cowen

Got it. Jean, do you think when do you think we'll start seeing some of the large lessors pull the trigger on placing orders? I mean, do you think that they're going to, you know, keep holding off until they see what steel prices will do? Or do you think that some of them are reaching a point where they need to add to their fleet, otherwise they'd be jeopardizing, you know, customer relations and sacrificing scale?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

When we're looking overall at what's going on, it's pretty well distributed. You know, we talked in the past about when you have a recovery, railroads and third-party lessors are the first to the table, and then the end shippers come in. We're seeing orders come in from all three of those areas. I would say we're already getting the activity. Remember though that on this cycle, we're projecting 40,000-50,000 rail cars minus sustainable conversions or without-

Matt Elkott
Equity Research Analyst, Cowen

Of course.

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

The sustainable conversion, and that's really replacement level. There's no big driver to do anything different than replace the fleets that have been scrapped over the last three years and are continuing to get scrapped now.

Matt Elkott
Equity Research Analyst, Cowen

Okay. Yeah, you mentioned the 40,000-50,000, which you guys had kept unchanged. Would you guys be willing to share any thoughts on where you think deliveries for the industry could go in 2023?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Again, we think orders are gonna be the 40,000-50,000, and we would expect to see similar deliveries to what you're seeing this year.

Matt Elkott
Equity Research Analyst, Cowen

Got it. Just one last quick question from me, which I asked to one of your competitors three weeks ago. This cycle is driven by more than one or two rail cars, which is typically the case. It's a lot more broad-based. I was wondering what the margin implications might be for a cycle that involves having to do more line changeover than you have done in the past. I mean, you know, mid- to high-single-digit margin you expect to finish the year at, is that pretty much, you know, where you could, you know, hope to be in 2023, or is there more upside to that given the mix of cars that are in high demand?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Well, as you look at this year, we started at a lower run rate. We said we'll double that by the end of the year. We're expecting next year to come in still with that double rate, so what we're ending this year, which helps you overall as far as efficiencies. I would say there's potential upside for next year on those margins, but we still are taking orders for 2023. It's nice to already be getting orders this early in the year for next year, but we'll have to see where that lines up, but I would expect to see some possible improvement on that.

Matt Elkott
Equity Research Analyst, Cowen

Thank you, Jean. Appreciate it.

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Gordon Johnson from GLJ Research. Please go ahead with your question.

James Bardowski
Managing Director and CIO, GLJ Research

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. This is James Bardowski in for Gordon.

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Yep.

James Bardowski
Managing Director and CIO, GLJ Research

Just had a question first on your rail group margins. Clearly you had some rail cars that you were selling that you booked in the bottom of the cycle last year, which added to the margin pressure. Now, as we progress later in the year, how are you expecting cost pressures to evolve? I guess, insofar as the improvement for your rail group margins, how much do you expect to come from higher value cars versus an easing of cost pressures?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

This is Jean. I'll go ahead and take that, James. When you look at the rail products for the second half of the year, first, we have definitely been taking the orders in the environment we're in now, which is a tighter market. We're seeing better pricing that we're getting there, better margins that have come along with that. That's no small piece. I'm not gonna give you the exact percentage, but that is very helpful. The other thing you've got to look at is we had high impacts, at least in January, from the Omicron variant. Some of our facilities had up to 30% absenteeism during that time period. We've seen that abate as we've gone through the first quarter.

The other thing I'll say is first quarter, there were some more supply chain issues, especially in some of the specialty items, hatches, valves, covers that we had to get that we've been working to abate. By the second half of the year, some of that working capital that we're putting into the inventory will help us limit the number of changeovers we were doing due to not having components to finish cars. That's really disruptive during a run if you have to pull cars out so you can wait on materials to come in. There's a combination of having better labor availability, having better supply chain, and also having better dynamics around the orders that we're getting.

James Bardowski
Managing Director and CIO, GLJ Research

Okay. That's very helpful. It also helps explain your inventory build. In terms of orders, I think you might have mentioned this in your prepared remarks, so I apologize if I missed it, but where are you seeing some of the pickup in activity? Which sectors?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

It is pretty wide-based, as we look at where orders are coming from right now, it's not in a single area. If you look at the top areas of boxcars, definitely there's been a lot that have been scrapped over the last few years. They were getting older, and they're being replaced. Grain cars remain strong, and plastics would be some of the top three areas.

James Bardowski
Managing Director and CIO, GLJ Research

Plastics. Okay, great. I'll just squeeze in another quick one, please. For your new orders, that in my opinion, I think it looks pretty good, compared to last year, particularly, and especially in the average value that you guys reported. You mentioned the boxcars and plastics were some of the higher demand items. But how broad are your customers? Are these pickup in orders coming from just a few customers, or are you seeing more and more lessors?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

It's pretty broad-based and across all the different areas that we're seeing those customers come in, which we mentioned a little bit earlier in the discussion and the questions with the fact that it typically starts with railroads and third-party lessors, and it's moved into shippers also buying more cars. It's great to see us progress up as we look at the different areas. The shippers, you know, we're seeing a lot more interest. We've got an EcoBox or insulated boxcar that's a new product design for us that's gaining some more momentum.

James Bardowski
Managing Director and CIO, GLJ Research

Okay, very helpful. I'm sorry. This is actually the last one. In terms of your downstream shipments to the leasing, is there any indication that you guys are getting as far as how many cars you'll be selling in-house?

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

All right. James, this is Eric. When we put out our Q, we break out the backlog between, you know, how much of our delivery is in there and what our leasing backlog is. Our leasing backlog has grown. It's just under $700 million of our backlog, which is up dramatically from the same time last year. That's all. You'll see all that in the Q, which will get filed this afternoon.

James Bardowski
Managing Director and CIO, GLJ Research

All right, great. I know what I'll be doing this evening. Thank you, Jean. Eric, thank you very much for this.

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

Thanks, James.

James Bardowski
Managing Director and CIO, GLJ Research

You too.

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Barger from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead with your question.

Ken Newman
VP and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hey, good morning, guys. It's Ken Newman on for Steve.

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

I'm sorry. What was your name?

Ken Newman
VP and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

It's Ken Newman on for Steve.

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

Thank you. Thanks, Ken.

Ken Newman
VP and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yep. Hey, I appreciate the color on expectations for rail segment margins to improve half for the first half. I'm curious if you could just help us think about the sequential improvement in margins for second quarter versus the first quarter. You know, should we expect margins will kind of be in that low- to mid-single-digit range, or should we expect that it's similar to the first quarter level?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Ken, unfortunately, we're not giving quarterly guidance. We typically just give annual guidance. We're trying to help you all out a little bit, talking about first half versus second half. In my prepared remarks, I talked about a step change in the margins for the second half of the year, and that's really as far as we'll go on that.

Ken Newman
VP and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay. Maybe just asking it in a different way then. I mean, I know you talked about full-year margins kind of being in that mid- to high-single-digit exit range. Is it fair to assume that the segment margins in the second half will be below that top end here? Just trying to think about the magnitude of that step change from first half to second half.

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

One thing I will tell you is we mentioned that in the first half of the year, we will be delivering the orders of the cars that were taken at the bottom of the market. Until we work through those, I don't see a step change. Once you get to the orders that we're taking now that we'll deliver in the second half of the year, I think you'll see, again, a marked or a step change in what those margins will be.

Ken Newman
VP and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Understood. For my follow-up, you know, it seems like service levels from the Class I's have obviously taken a hit amid the current supply chain environment. Just to clarify on the inquiry comments that you made earlier, are you seeing any of these new inquiries for 2023 talking about demand beyond replacement activity, or is it still primarily replacement at this point?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

There are certain markets that are seeing some growth, but overall, it's still replacement type demands that we're seeing. Remember that, as these shippers or car owners make their fleet plans, they're looking for the long term, not just for that short term impact that they're seeing from the railroads. They're still looking at either opening new plants, some of the replacement or growth opportunities they might see.

Ken Newman
VP and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Understood. One last one, if I might. I'm just curious if you could just talk a little bit about the large impacts from the supply chain at this point. Obviously, we know that steel has been a big impact. Anything that we should kind of be aware of as we think about some of these escalations in inflation or other supply chain tightness about the cadence from one quarter to the second quarter?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

The biggest thing that we still see lingering on the supply chain is, at least in the U.S., labor shortages still are causing them to delay some of their shipments, not get them to us in the timeframe that we expect. We are trying to mitigate the majority of that we can by that inventory build that we've talked about to try to smooth the impacts on our facilities. We still think we'll see some of those impacts through the first half of the year, and expect to see that getting better in the second half.

Ken Newman
VP and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Understood. Thanks for the time.

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

Thanks, Ken.

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from George Sellers from Stephens Inc. Please go ahead with your question.

George Sellers
Senior Associate, Stephens Inc

Hey, good morning. It's been kind of a hectic morning, so sorry if I missed this, but could y'all talk about the sequential progression in lease rates that you saw in the first quarter and maybe quarter to date as well, for both freight cars and tank cars?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Sure. When you look at our FLRD, it's at 2.4% is what we're reporting for the first quarter. It's the third quarter in a row that we've seen a positive FLRD. As you look at a tightening market that we still see out there for rail cars, you know, rail cars in storage going down, scrapping continues, railroads being a little bit slower as far as their speed, all are contributing for that demand. As long as we continue to see that demand, I would expect to see us be able to adjust or increase that lease rate and keep up with some of the inflation that we are seeing.

George Sellers
Senior Associate, Stephens Inc

Okay, got it. That's helpful. Sort of thinking about some of the impacts that the Russia and Ukraine conflict have had on the energy markets, have y'all seen some of those customers reenter the market or some increased activity in coal and frac sand markets? How should we think about that from both a lease perspective, leasing cars and then also potentially some new rail car orders?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

I'll start, and then I'll let Eric jump in here. First, our thoughts and prayers go out to the people in Ukraine with the war that they're going through. You know, we don't see any positives coming from that. It's a terrible situation to be dealing with. I think overall, it's gonna be minimum impact to the cars and the orders that we're seeing here in the U.S. Eric, I don't know if you'd add.

Eric Marchetto
CFO, Trinity Industries

I don't put the drivers on the war, but you asked about small cube covered hoppers. We are seeing increased drilling activity that started really last year, and we're starting to see that fleet get tighter. It's not tight, but it's certainly tighter. And you see movements of, you know, in terms of the crude oil side, you know, most of that's gonna move by pipeline. We don't see that as a big rail move. Where we are seeing growth in the liquid side is more on the biofuels, in greater demand for biofuels, and that is helping the tank car fleet and getting that tighter. Just clarifying a little bit of that.

George Sellers
Senior Associate, Stephens Inc

Okay, thank you. That's helpful as well. One more longer term. Going back to your Investor Day in 2020, you highlighted some new products with potential operating income impact of $150 million-$200 million. How much of that has been realized at this point, and how do you expect some of those products to progress this year and maybe next year as well?

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Well, it was multiple years, so you know it takes a little time to do the design and get the cars out and running and pick up. But I'm gonna point to a few things. Our new grain car covered hopper has done extremely well, and that's a 5459. Many of the railroads have picked up on that car throughout North America, not just in the U.S., and has done well for us. Our boxcar work is also picking up, and that's insulated boxcars, refrigerated, and some of the standard. Making moves on all of those. The autorack redesign we did, it's an Hourglass autorack. It's meant for the large vehicles, and it allows more space on the interior design for people to get in and out as they're loading and unloading those cars.

We're starting to see autorack demands pick back up, and I think you'll see that escalate as the chip shortage is overcome, and you can get those automobiles out and running. We haven't really said how much of the dollar amount will be done for this year, but we are making progress. We're seeing that go up. We still have confidence that we'll hit, you know, a big chunk of that number.

George Sellers
Senior Associate, Stephens Inc

Okay. Thank you. I'll leave it there. Thank you both for the time.

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, with that, we will be ending today's question- and- answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Jean Savage for any closing remarks.

Jean Savage
CEO and President, Trinity Industries

Well, thank you. Thank everyone for joining us this morning. You know, the excitement of the second half of the year is high. As we've shared with you today, we look around our business and see improving metrics and data that forecast higher returns and earnings later in the year. We look forward to seeing our hard work pay off and reporting those positive results with you. Thank you for your support of Trinity, and please reach out to Leigh Anne with any further questions.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be concluding today's presentation. We do thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.

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