... Thank you, everyone. We appreciate you joining us here for TTM Technologies and for attending the Jefferies 2025 Industrial Conference. I am joined by Dan Bailey, CFO at TTM. And without further ado, I will pass the mic and the presentation to him to share some thoughts, and then we can open up to questions at the end. Thanks.
All right. Thank you, Steve, for that. Hello, everyone who's here today. Thanks for joining us. I will skip through the normal legal disclosures. We've got forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial metrics. You've heard this before. TTM is a technology solutions provider. We do from top-level mission systems down to subsystems, component assemblies, microelectronics, and then at the base, we do printed circuit boards.
The company grew up as a printed circuit board company, and still does probably about 75% of our business is printed circuit boards. Mostly more complex, where we're designed in to unique characteristics, you know, not customized or not consumer-type of boards. So, we're about a $2.5 billion company in revenues last year, growing a bit this year. And we're diversifying again from that PCB background into the more, what we call integrated electronics, and moving up the value chain through subsystems, microelectronics, and other RF microwave devices up to full radar mission systems.
You can see on the right, we talk about five different end markets that we play in. Data center computing, networking, and those two move quite similarly. Aerospace and defense is about half of our business now. The other four end markets, we segment into what we call commercial. So, those are on the commercial side of the business. The fourth there is medical, industrial, and instrumentation. Think about robotics in those different areas using our PCBs to run the circuitry.
Then automotive, the final market there. Next slide just gives you a little bit about our history. You can see the growth, most of the rapid growth moments, the step functions were as a result of different acquisitions. We have grown through acquisition and also diversified from that printed circuit board birth into you know the capability to engineer products, build subsystems and RF, and then build full mission system applications, mostly around radar.
We've been transforming, as I mentioned, over probably the last seven to 10 years, into you know that more differentiated company. Those acquisitions kinda showed you how we got there. As a result, we are now a highly valued partner. Again, as part of what we've been trying to do, is to be more value-added, get designed into the products, our move towards more aerospace and defense, longer cycle products.
Once you get designed in, right, you stay in there for decades, maybe generations, depending upon the size of the programs, what have you. So. As we've been, you know, able to get early engagement with our customers, be designed in, show them our capabilities, and then we've also been able to then climb the food chain from, right, from just providing a PCB into that system, into doing more of the subsystems and full systems, above that. So, we're investing in engineering and technology, and then we're also investing in our footprint.
So we've expanded. We have a global footprint, and I'll show you a picture of that. But we have, on the commercial side, manufacturing out in Asia, mostly China, but also now Penang. In the U.S., most of the aerospace and defense is serviced by, thirteen or fourteen sites that we have in the U.S., and we've got another one coming online later next year. We have reduced our exposure over the years to the more cyclical commercial products. That timeline would've showed some divestitures.
The last one, major being, we got out of the mobility business. We used to make, you know, printed circuit boards for, you know, Apple iPhones, but that market was a rollercoaster ride, so we got out of that. We got out of the EMS business, and we sold our backplanes business a few years back now. And so we've got out of the more commercial business, the more commoditized printed circuit boards, and got out of the commercial seasonality of that. So that's the diversification strategy.
We'll go into a little bit more in detail there. In the near term, you know, this was structured as since this is industrial meeting to talk about more about aerospace and defense and the growth we've done in there. But you can see that second item there, data center computing and networking, has grown quite a bit over the last couple of years, with the onset of, you know, generative AI and our printed circuit boards go into a lot of the data center applications.
So I'll start with the aerospace and defense, which of those end markets is our largest. It represented 46% of our net sales in 2024. And with the increased use of radar systems, AESA radar, increased electrification of military equipment and what have you, this has been a good growth driver for us. We look at our end markets, and we don't give annual guidance. We give quarterly guidance, 'cause on the commercial side, we just don't have visibility generally beyond three months.
So these slides are here to kinda give you a benchmark to think about what this end market is growing at. So you've got this: we use Prismark that gives you the you know five-year CAGR of about 3%-5% in this business is what you would expect. In our current 2025 year we've grown about 15% year to date so we will grow above that CAGR in this year. A little bit more detail on the defense. For Q2 revenue growth year over year was about 21%. As I said year to date it's about 15% year over year.
We had program backlog of almost $1.5 billion of sales that are about 50% of our business right now, so the sales are about, you know, $1.2 billion a year. And so you've got backlog, you know, beyond a full year. That backlog will probably stretch out about two years, and then we've got some quick turn or book-to-bill that happens in the year. So, we're aligned with key defense programs. I'll show you some pictures of those in the next slide. And we focus on engineered products.
You can see on the right there, over the years, we've been focusing on doing more than just printed circuit boards for the U.S. Department of Defense. 90% of our business in aerospace and defense is for defense. And we started out being, you know, we're the largest U.S.-based provider of printed circuit boards.
But we've been adding those other colors under that bar chart, doing integration and assembly of components, doing RF components and RF microwave and microelectronic devices, and then full mission systems, where we got the capability from our last acquisition of Telephonics to do full radar systems. So we're developing an AESA radar for maritime application. So the rest of the pie chart there, commercial aero is about 5% of the business, and then commercial and defense space is there as only 4%.
So opportunity to grow in those areas, but most of A&D is mostly defense right now. It's just a picture of our program portfolio. Our top customers are the OEMs, the tier ones, many of them, you know, you would know and recognize. The programs on the right are some of our larger programs, F-35 probably being the single largest one, and then the SPY- 6, SPY-7 radars that are on the ships. And then we have quite a few rotary aircraft radars or components of radars. MH-60 is our largest one there.
So, the LTAMDS, which supports the PAC-3 and missile systems, that's ours as well. We do, you know, components of that. We do some direct work with U.S. government agencies, the Army, the Navy, Air Force, and other international Ministries of Defense. Some of that direct, most of that through FMS.
And then again, as I mentioned, future expansion, where we see opportunity in commercial space, as that's, you know, a lot of different companies doing commercial space now, and we're not tapping to that market too much in our current numbers, but planning to grow there in our strategic plan. The commercial side of the business, you know, is led by, you know, some mega trends. However, you know, the largest of that being the one at the bottom right now, generative AI.
And so, the hyperscalers and the LLMs, all this stuff that generates, you know, the information going into generative AI. This is a picture that's beyond my technical knowledge, but we added this in there to kinda show data center architecture at all these different levels. You know, there's printed circuit boards being used for the computing, the switching, the connecting, what have you.
And so on the right side there, it just talks about the technology development over the coming years, and in that yellow box, it kinda shows you where we're focusing our technological development and innovation. Asymmetric boards, oversized panels, high layer count, and advanced high-density interconnect boards that are, you know, the technology is moving faster and faster in this area.
We're one of the largest companies that does printed circuit boards in this area, where we can compete and try to keep up with the demand. We're adding capacity year after year to try to keep up with the current demand going on here. The rest of the end markets, just to round that out, I talked about aerospace and defense, which is, you know, almost half of the business. The rest of the four, we put in a segment that we call commercial applications, data center computing being the largest one of those at 20%.
Kind of add networking to that, the 7% here of last year's revenues. It's grown a bit this year. It's being uplifted by the data center computing, the Generative AI. The switches in networking is becoming obviously more complicated and more complex as well, and that swell is lifting that.
So if you look at, you know, data center computing, networking, and aerospace and defense, you got about 75%-80% of our business, which are in industries that are going through good growth right now, you know, strong, strong future for us in the near term. Automotive, on the other hand, challenged, right? And so the 3%-5% CAGR or that benchmark, our 20- 25 year is gonna be below that. We're not gonna grow. We may be flat to slightly be down in automotive.
Our applications are more... We have more content on EV cars, in the U.S. We don't sell into China, so China's where EV is growing. But we have the U.S. and international markets, or European markets. EV is not, you know, hasn't picked up as much there, hasn't sold as much as I think, you know, the industry expected in the last couple of years, but the other place that we do provide printed circuit boards to is even in internal combustion cars.
A lot of them are putting more of the ADAS systems, the security systems, the safety systems that stop you when you're trying to drive too fast or get too close to another car. It beep at you. That uses our sensors or sensors that use our boards, so. Medical, industrial, and instrumentation is about 14%-15% of the business. They're split kind of evenly, so they're each about 5%.
Instrumentation is getting to pick up a little bit this year, also driven by some of the data center and semiconductor growth, 'cause what we do there is test equipment, burn-in boards and what have you, to do semiconductor testing. Medical field growth by sensors like, well, first, robotics for surgical robotics, but also sensors for, like, diabetes and what have you. The monitors use our boards. Then the aerospace and industrial automation has been picking up this year as well.
As industry and things have picked up, our industrial automation has been increasing slightly this year, too. All areas, again, of looking at the benchmarks, all these end markets we expect to grow this year above those benchmarks.
Data center, computing, and aerospace, probably quite a bit above those, except for automotive, as I mentioned, so second pillar of our strategic focus provide beyond diversification is more differentiation, so our depth of engineering, and so as we've gone through acquisitions and as we've developed our workforce, going more into engineering rather than just building to spec, being early engaged with our customers and helping them design their product around, you know, our printed circuit board or the ability that we have to put into there and design and help them design something for manufacturability,
so our breadth of technology across all those different areas, and then providing a global footprint, so here's all the different areas, as I mentioned, the breadth of what we're capable of designing and engineering and manufacturing. You know, in the commercial area, mostly printed circuit boards, conventional and advanced, as I mentioned, and then some RF components, assembly. In aerospace and defense, we reach across all of these, these product applications.
So from printed circuit boards all the way up to full radar systems and communications and surveillance systems that are on aircraft, rotorcraft or ships or ground-based radars. So this is just, you know, to kind of explain why we are transitioning more towards the aerospace and defense and integrated electronics in the consumer market that we, you know, mostly have gotten out of now. You know, your life cycle of a product, you know, could be, you know, six months to two years.
And then you're redesigning and you gotta compete again for the next product. Automotive and networking is a little bit longer, you know, maybe goes up to 2-3 years , four years. But in aerospace and defense, from concept to prototype through piloting and production, you know, can be 10 years plus, as I mentioned before.
And so, you know, we wanted to have that engagement with our customers and have that partnership that, you know, kept us in the game and kept us designing and working with them to develop the next cutting edge of innovation on a longer term. So, you know, our differentiation from a global standpoint, again, on the right side, I'll start with all the commercial work.
A lot of the commercial work, especially like I was talking about data center, AI growth, that's all being done over in Asia right now so those boards that are done, high volume, highly complex, and becoming more and more complex, but very good workforce over there in China. We have added a China plus alternative, which I'll show you a bit more of in Penang, Malaysia so that as folks do, our customers do try to, if they feel the pressure and/or the desire or need to get out of China, we're now offering another alternative out in Southeast Asia, in Penang.
In the U.S., the green sites there do also service the commercial market but the majority of the sites in the U.S., and North America. I think there's 14 of those that service the aerospace and defense market. Across the country, that shows you where they are. As I mentioned, we've built a new facility in Penang that is ramping up. It offers our customers that China Plus One alternative. 800,000 sq ft, highly automated, shows great, and we're ramping up production there now.
We had several anchor customers. We went through certification and qualification with them last year. We're starting to ramp up our revenues slowly into this year, and then and ultimately, we'll get this plant up to doing $200 million in annual revenues. We also just this year announced, that we've secured land rights next door to our current facility, so that as the demand continues to grow, in Southeast Asia, we'll have the ability to then expand there with another facility that can share resources.
So, in Syracuse, New York, we're building a facility, that will service, the aerospace and defense market, the need for ultra-high-density interconnect PCBs within, military applications. This is a technology that is in a lot of commercial markets, but is coming to aerospace and defense in larger volumes.
We do this in low volumes right now at some of our fourteen sites I mentioned there, but at high volume, we're building this facility specific purpose for that, to increase for the increased volume that's coming, which being messaged from our from the large prime contractors, so it's adjacent to our existing building. Ultimately, it'll do about $100 million of revenue in this facility, and we'll share resources with our current facility and provide a vertical integration application opportunity as well.
We'll serve these printed circuit boards over to the other facility for assembly and subassemblies, so we also announced at the same time as our Penang land purchase, we've acquired a facility, a building, and it's fully fitted out, and everything else.
Doesn't have equipment in it yet, but 750,000 sq ft in the U.S., to provide for, you know, the messaging that we're hearing around bringing AI boards into the U.S. So if that onshoring does come, and people are willing to pay that increased price, we're ready with a facility that we can fit out and start doing those boards in the U.S. So, this is a little bit, you know, forward-thinking, wanting to be strategically aligned and ready for that when that does happen.
There's a lot of companies that are starting to talk about investment in the U.S. to build the manufacturing base, and we'll be there ready to serve them. Last pillar of our strategic focus is discipline. So, just operational execution. We've entered a new era of complex execution with these greenfields, and so we've learned a lot from Penang. We'll, you know, use that learning as we bring up Syracuse, and then continue to improve our operational execution.
But if you see the margin growth over the last couple of years, a lot of that is because of that execution, our ability to yield on a high level, even these complex boards, and then enter into these more higher level value add integrated electronics as well. So increase in our earning power and then continue to generate cash flow to allow us to make these internal growth investments. So just a historical revenue and operating margins.
You know, we are up above this 9.6% now this year. We've done quite well. We've had, I think, three or four quarters of double-digit OM, and our target OM is 11%-13%. We are at that 11% now in the last couple quarters. The first half of 2025, we hit about 10.8% on average. So we see, you know, the ability to get to the long-term target there of 11%-13%.
Frankly, Penang right now is about a 200 basis points drag on our OM, and so if Penang, once we get that up fully operational and to ramp up to the revenues that we expect there, we'll have hit this, the top end of this long-term target, so feeling pretty good about our expansion of our revenue and operating profits.
Our revenue's growing beyond that 4% to 6% right now, too. First half of the year, as I said, was 17%. Looking good against our long-term targets that we set a couple of years back. This is kind of just what I just told you. The biggest piece of getting from 11 to 13 is the you know 220 basis points from Penang. Getting that up and running is key for us, it's critical. That's one of the focuses over this next you know probably nine to 12 months, making sure we get to full scale there.
Strong cash flow, again, has allowed us. You know, cash from ops has been strong, which has allowed us to invest in our, you know, in our organic growth in these facilities through adding facilities, as well as adding new equipment that are capable of doing the new high technology printed circuit boards. And then our capital structure is in a very good position right now. Our leverage is only about 1.2x right now. You know, we have a goal to keep it between one and a half to two.
So, you know, we're well below that right now. I don't have any debt maturing until 2028, and, you know, as our cost of debt right now is pretty well manageable. And it's, you know, mostly fixed rate. We have a swap on our floating rate Term Loan B that fixes about two-thirds of that. So again, very good capital structure and good liquidity.
From a capital allocation standpoint, as I mentioned, we're gonna continue to invest our money in our own differentiation, making sure we have the capability to service those aerospace and defense demand that we saw coming in the Ultra-HDI area for our Syracuse factory, and then Generative AI on the commercial side, adding equipment and facilitation in China, as well as getting to ramp up in Penang to service that industry.
That demand continues to grow and we're kind of at capacity, so we need to keep adding more so that we can grow year after year there. So that's our first level of investment back in the company. And then, you know, again, repaying debt until we're under that. We're already under that, so we're not gonna be repaying debt in the near term and returning capital to shareholders. We do have a share buyback program that we just renewed in May.
And we'll use that opportunistically to buy down shares when we think the stock has dropped below its value. And stock's been doing pretty well right now. The last three months, I think it's up doubled. We'll continue on that path. Going forward, continue to focus on these markets. Again, I think all those markets have been growing strong.
Automotive is the one where we probably need to think twice about how we continue to address that market. And then making those ongoing investments in our own internal differentiation, as well as our global footprint. So, that's the end of my prepared remarks. So got about 10 minutes left if you have any questions.
Yes? Can you talk about Golden Dome and the opportunities there?
Sure. Yeah, so there's... It's a little early as far as understanding exactly what Golden Dome will be. But our understanding is that, you know, the administration is pushing to try to procure that pretty quickly, right? And we've got all the primes coming to us to talk about what their structure might look like, and how we can play a part of that. So we see a lot of opportunity in that. That's not in our current backlog, so, you know, the $1.5 billion backlog that we have in aerospace and defense doesn't reflect anything right now.
Because we're, you know, a supplier into the primes, it takes probably 18-24 months after they get an award until, you know, we actually start seeing revenue as it, you know, flows down through the supply chain. So, so that'll be coming. As I said, if that is a little bit more rapid than the normal acquisition timeframe, we'll see that kind of coming quicker.
But we certainly have good. We're very positive and I think on our ability to put products into that. It's, you know, mostly be a radar and sensing system, right? And so we play very well in that, the radars from ground through sea and marine and as well as aircraft. So we'll play very well in that. So you had a question in the back, too.
Yeah. For the Wisconsin facility, where are you exactly? So you acquired it.
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... are you marketing it actively? And then I guess, are you gonna wait till you have an anchor customer before starting equipment?
Absolutely, yeah. So, similar model to what we did with Penang, is we went out to our customers again. And we did it because we were starting to hear rumblings from our customers as well as, you know, other factions and Commerce Department and things that we're, you know, talking about maybe onshoring, especially for generative AI purposes and things like that, right? So, we will, and we are addressing, you know, talking to our customers right now about, you know, who wants in, right?
Who wants to be first? And, similar to what we did in Penang, give us a commitment. We actually took dollar commitments from them and got cash upfront to help us buy the equipment to facilitate it, and then they will get that back in credits through putting products through in production, right? So that's how we kind of will build it, and that's how we'll bring it online. We'll bring it online slowly based on our customers' needs.
But the buildings, you know, the buildings, it's actually three distinct buildings, so we could put them all together, we could divide them. We could do some of that as commercial, some of that as A and D. We could separate it that way too. So we'll see what the customer demand is and who wants to put money up front and promise to put product through there.
Any other questions?
Yes. Can you talk a little about a little bit more about sort of generative AI or just the AI structure in general? You know, my sense is that everyone there is kind of stressing the infrastructure quite a bit-
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... stressing the technological capabilities. Does that mean to have longer sort of lead times and engagements with customers out farther?
I wouldn't say yeah, we're not getting a lot of... If you're asking how much visibility I have in the future, not a lot. I mean, the technology is changing pretty quickly. We're, you know, probably not as diversified as we'd like to be. We're working mostly with two top customers. We'd like to work across, you know, the other customers that are starting to do more work in that area. So what we're trying to be is not necessarily we need to work with the folks that are pushing the envelope and developing the latest technology.
We're also trying to figure out what technology, sorry, is gonna be more broadly, you know, applicable, right? That adapted. I mean, you're always gonna have the front runners who are adapting the most turn. But, you know, we can work well across all these different capabilities, and so we want to find the one that's gonna give us the most broad-based exposure and meets our manufacturing capabilities, and we can do high yields and what have you.
So, you know, going after the latest technology, you might be doing a few prototypes and small batches, and then it may not actually catch, and so you don't want to over-invest in that, and then it doesn't go anywhere and leave behind the majority of the market that's in another place. So we're just trying to balance that. And again, we don't have a lot of visibility out past three to six months, so. Good question, though. Okay, anything else? Sure.
The CEO change the-
Yep.
I guess, he is a member of the board kind of beyond, so.
No, he was not a member of the board. So he was an external hire. Our current CEO will stay on the board for a little while. The new CEO, he started two days ago, officially, September 2nd. So we're still getting to know him. And we are just entering also our strategic planning process. We do a three-year strategic plan every year. This is the beginning of that process, so he will have, obviously, plenty of input into that, and we'll learn what his focus on and what his objective is from the board.
But he does have a connection with our executive or our chairman of the board. Rex Geveden and he worked together at Teledyne years ago. So that's where there's some connection with the board. So I think he'll be well aligned with what the board objectives are, and obviously wanting to grow shareholder value. But we'll learn more in the coming weeks and months as to what his strategic direction might be.
Frankly, as I said, you know, 75%-80% of our business is in aerospace and defense or data center and computing and networking right now. Both of those are growing quite well, and so I think, you know, the majority of the business absolutely doing well and will stay on the track we are. We'll just...
He'll have to make decisions as to where we allocate our resources to continue to grow those, so. He also has a more technical background than our previous CEO. He's only our third CEO in that twenty-five-year history that, you know, first sixteen, seventeen years were the founder, and then the last ten years were Tom Edman, and so this is our third one. He's more technical, the others were more businessmen, so he might be pushing some of the more technology and innovation as well. Okay.
All right, if no other questions, give three minutes and get the next guys in here to get prepared, but I thank you very much for attending and listening today. Thank you.