Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Texas Instruments Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Release Conference Call. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. David Hall.
Please go ahead, sir.
Good afternoon and thank you for joining our Q3 2018 earnings conference call. Rafael Lizardi, TI's Chief Financial Officer is with me today. For any of you who missed the release, you can find it on our website atti.com/ir. This call is being broadcast live over the web and can be accessed through our website. A replay will be available through the web.
This call will include forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause TI's results to differ materially from management's current expectations. We encourage you to review the notice regarding forward looking statements contained in the earnings release published today as well as TI's most recent SEC filings for a more complete description. I'll start with a quick summary of our financial results. Revenue for the Q3 increased 4% from a year ago. However, demand for our products slowed across most markets during the quarter.
Earnings per share were $1.58 In our core businesses, analog revenue grew 8% and embedded processing revenue declined 4% compared with the same quarter a year ago. Analog and embedded performed about the same directionally within most end markets with communications equipment as the exception. In communications equipment, analog products saw double digit growth which included early 5 gs product ramps, while embedded products declined from a year ago as we expected. Without the decline in communications equipment, embedded would have grown. With that backdrop, I'll provide details on our performance which we believe continues to be representative of the ongoing strength of our business model.
In the Q3, our cash flow from operations was $2,100,000,000 We believe that free cash flow growth especially on a per share basis is most important to maximizing shareholder value in the long term. Free cash flow for the trailing 12 month period was $5,900,000,000 up 40% from a year ago. Free cash flow margin for the same period was 37.5 percent of revenue. We continue benefit from the quality of our product portfolio that's long lived and diverse and the efficiency of our manufacturing strategy, the latter of which includes our growing 300 millimeter analog output. We believe that free cash flow will only be valued if it's productively invested in the business or return to owners.
For the trailing 12 month period, we returned $6,200,000,000 of cash to owners through a combination of dividends and stock repurchases. In September, we announced we would increase our dividend by 24% and we increased our share repurchase authorizations by $12,000,000,000 Taken together, these reflect our commitment to return all of our free cash flow to our owners. I'll provide some details by segment. From the year ago quarter, analog revenue grew 8% due to power and signal chain. High volume declined.
Embedded processing revenue decreased by 4% from the year ago quarter due to processors. Connected microcontroller was about even. In our other segment, revenue declined 6% primarily due to custom products as we expected. Now I'll provide some insight into this quarter's performance by end market versus a year ago. Industrial demand slowed to upper single digit growth with most sectors growing year on year.
Automotive grew double digits from a year ago, but the growth slowed from previous quarters. We continue to focus our investments across 14 secondtors in industrial and 5 secondtors in automotive. We believe these investments will continue to deliver broad based and diverse revenue growth over the long term. Personal electronics declined mid single digits as increases at some customers were offset by declines at others. Communications equipment increased low single digits from a year ago as analog which included the early 5 gs product ramps I mentioned earlier, grew and was offset by declines in embedded.
And lastly, Enterprise Systems grew. In summary, we continue to focus our strategy on the industrial and automotive markets where we've been allocating our capital and driving our initiatives to strengthen our position. This is based on a belief that industrial and automotive will be the fastest growing semiconductor markets. They have increasing semiconductor content and these markets provide diversity and longevity. All of this translates to a high terminal value of our portfolio.
Rafael will now review profitability, capital management and our outlook. Rafael?
Thanks, Dave, and good afternoon, everyone. Gross profit in the quarter was $2,800,000,000 or 65.8 percent of revenue. From a year ago, gross profit increased primarily due to higher revenue. Gross profit margin increased 130 basis points. Operating expenses in the quarter were $786,000,000 about even from a year ago and about as expected.
On a trailing 12 month basis, operating expenses were 20.4% of revenue, within our range of expectations. Over the last 12 months, we have invested $1,550,000,000 in R and D. We are pleased with our disciplined process of allocating capital to R and D that allows us to continue to grow our top line and gain market share. Acquisition charges and non cash expense were $80,000,000 Acquisition charges will be about $80,000,000 per quarter through the Q3 of 2019, then declines about $50,000,000 per quarter for 2 remaining years. Operating profit was $1,940,000,000 or 45.5 percent of revenue.
Operating profit was up 8% from the year ago quarter. Operating margin for analog was 49.8%, up from 47% a year ago. And for embedded processing was 34.6%, down from 34.9% a year ago. Our focused investments on the best sustainable growth opportunities with differentiated positions will enable both businesses to continue to contribute nicely to free cash flow growth over the long term. Net income in the Q3 was $1,570,000,000 or $1.58 per share.
Let me now comment on our capital management results, starting with our cash generation. Cash flow from operations was $2,110,000,000 in the quarter. It increased $384,000,000 from the year ago quarter, primarily due to a lower tax rate and higher revenue, which includes more 300 millimeter analog revenue. Capital expenditures were $370,000,000 in the quarter. Free cash flow was $5,930,000,000 on a trailing 12 month basis, up 40% from a year ago.
In the Q3, we paid $602,000,000 in dividends and repurchased $1,200,000,000 of our stock for a total return of $1,800,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. We have returned 6 $230,000,000 to owners in the past 12 months, consistent with our strategy to return to owners all of our free cash flow. Over the same period, our dividends represented 41% of free cash flow underscoring their sustainability. As Dave mentioned already, in September, we announced we would increase our dividend by 24%, and we increased our share repurchase authorizations by $12,000,000,000 Our quarterly dividend went from $0.62 to $0.77 or $3.08 annualized. This is our 15th consecutive year of dividend increases.
And over the past 5 years, we have increased the quarterly dividend by a compounded average rate of 21%. Our total outstanding repurchase authorization was about $18,200,000,000 at the end of 3rd quarter. Our balance sheet remains strong with $5,110,000,000 of cash and short term investments at the end of the 3rd quarter. Total debt is $5,100,000,000 with a weighted average coupon of 2.77%. Inventory days were 131, up 13 days from a year ago and within our expected range.
We continue to believe there is strategic value in owning and controlling our inventory. In the Q3, we began the next phase of our consignment program with our distributors and implementation will continue through the end of 2019. Turning to our outlook for the Q4. We expect TIER revenue in the range of $3,600,000,000 to $3,900,000,000 and earnings per share to be in the range of $1.14 to $1.34 We continue to expect our ongoing annual operating tax rate to be about 20% in 2018 and about 16% starting in 2019. Just as a reminder, the higher tax rate this year is due to non cash charges.
To help you with your model for 2019, we're providing the quarterly discrete tax benefits and tax rates for the year. We expect a discrete tax benefit of $20,000,000 in the 1st quarter, dollars 10,000,000 in the 2nd and third quarters and $5,000,000 in the 4th. Therefore, the effective tax rate would be 15% for the 1st quarter and 16% in the second, third and fourth quarters. These details of our expectations for taxes can also be found on the IR website under financial summary data. In closing, the strength of our business model has been demonstrated over the past 15 years through up and down markets.
We're heading into a softer market and we plan to execute as we have in the past. 1st, we will be disciplined with our operating plan. We will reduce wafer starts. However, inventory days will rise above our range as we strategically build low volume, long lived products and implement the latest phase of our consignment program. 2nd, we will continue our R and D investment levels and plans, which have a long term focus.
3rd, we will be thoughtful with SG and A. There are important areas of investments that increase our competitive advantages like our demand creation initiative and this would remain unchanged. In other area of SG and A, we will be prudent as appropriate. And lastly, we are planning our next phase of 300 millimeter capacity expansion to be available as soon as 2020 or 2021. A slowdown will have little effect on our timing to get the next 300 millimeter factory shell in place.
In conclusion, we are focused on the best products, analog and embedded processing and the best markets, industrial and automotive, which will enable us to grow free cash flow per share for a long time to come. With that, let me turn it back to Dave.
Thanks, Rafael. Operator, you can now open the lines up for questions. In order to provide as many of you as possible an opportunity to ask your questions, please limit yourself to a single question. After our response, we will provide you an opportunity for an additional follow-up. Operator?
Our first question comes from Stacy Rasgon with Bernstein Research.
Hi, guys. Thank you for taking my questions. First, I wanted to ask about drivers of gross margin into next quarter. You mentioned a few things. You're going to reduce wafer starts, but inventory days are also going to rise.
You mentioned your 300 millimeter next phase coming on, which suggests CapEx continues to be elevated, so depreciation goes up. I just wondered if you could give us a little bit more color on the different drivers as we get into Q4 and how we should think about those drivers evolving into 2019 and beyond, some of them are longer term.
Yes, Stacy, let me take that. The big picture of a fall through on our revenue is the same as it has been before. 70% to 75% is what we have talked about and that applies on going up. It also applies going down. So that's what we would expect.
Of course, that is over the long haul. So any one quarter, it could be a little different. The other thing I would tell you, obviously, when we are increasing wafer starts, that is help for gross margins and when we're decreasing wafer starts, it's a headwind on gross margin. So you will see that and you should expect that. Do you have a follow-up?
Yes. So I guess how do you continue to build inventory going forward if you're reducing wafer starts?
How does that work?
Yes. So it depends on how much you reduce wafer starts depending on the revenue change, right? It also it depends on the timing of that. Wafers cycle times can be anywhere between 12 to 16 weeks. So it doesn't that doesn't change on a dime.
But the key point on keeping those the wafer starts at a level that even though we're reducing them, but we can still build those long lived inventory buffers for industrial and automotive. Those are low risk buffers. Those parts live for a long, long time. And they enable us to then support our customers on the other side of this slowdown. So overall, it's just a better way and a smart way to allocate our capital.
Yes. And I'll just add to that Stacy that not only will we build that strategic inventory of low volume parts, but we're also as we talked about in the prepared remarks moving a larger proportion of our revenues to consignment. So both of those things will put pressure on inventory, but we believe those are the right things to do long term. Thanks Stacy. We'll go to the next caller please.
And we'll now hear from John Pitzer with Credit Suisse.
Yes, good afternoon guys. Thanks for letting me ask the question. Dave, just relative to your comments in the prepared remarks about embedded in the comp space, can you help us sort of quantify the size of that business now? And is that at all influencing the guide for the December quarter?
Okay. Yes. So let me take you back to our capital management strategy back in February. And if you look back even over the past few years, we've been talking about how we're allocating R and D just through an end market view. So as you walk through that, no surprise that industrial and automotive we've been taking our allocation of R and D up there.
In personal electronics, no surprise there, it's down, but it's more selective. It's not 0. We still find good opportunities. And then comms equipment really has been a different story on analog than it has been on embedded. And we've long talked about in embedded that we've taken our spend there up in analog and embedded we've actually taken it down.
The reason why is that when you look at 5 gs, there are what's new and what operators need and the OEMs that are delivering that new standard creates more complexity in the radio and for us that translates to more analog content and more opportunity. The new 5 gs standards really don't change things much from a digital standpoint. So, we've got a good position there that's not that isn't something that we've needed to invest in. So, really what we're seeing is just a result as that rolls out. So we're confident in our 5 gs position as that market begins to grow.
And we also have a great 4 gs business and we're still shipping some 3 gs stuff. So we're convinced that the majority of our growth is still going to come longer term from industrial and automotive, but comms equipment will be a very good market for us for a long period of time. A follow-up, John?
David, I guess my question specifically is, is there another shortfall in revenue coming in embedded comps in the calendar Q4 because it looks like it was at least on a year over year basis about $40,000,000 in the calendar Q3 if your comments about embedded growing ex comms is correct if I'm doing the math right. Is that is there more to come in the calendar Q4 or is this now behind you?
Yes. So yes, so last year comps equipment was 12% of our revenues in total. And I would say that if you listen to the commentary, which I'm sure you did, it was the one market that actually grew inside of the quarter, right? So we saw year on year growth in communications equipment in total even though that was not contributed by the embedded business. So yes, those things are in our guidance going forward.
I think our guidance is more influenced by the fact that we're seeing most of the markets beginning to slow versus the specifics of what's going on inside of comps equipment. So thank you, John. And we'll go to the next caller please.
Thank you. Chris Danely with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Hey, thanks guys. Just a little more color maybe on the slowdown. When you talk to your customers or the distis, does it feel like things could get a little bit worse? And then maybe which it sounds like comps a little bit better, which of the end markets has fallen off the most?
Yes. Let me start and see if Rafael wants to add anything. So Chris, I think that it's always best when you enter a period like this, we just kind of stick to the facts of what we can see, what we can measure. We just turned in 4% growth year over year. You take the midpoint of our guidance and revenues would be flat.
So that's a different number than what we've just delivered inside of this quarter. So where it goes from there and how long it lasts are just things that we don't know. We'll be in a position with what we're doing with wafer starts that if it's a more shallow correction, we'll be prepared to support it on the other side. If it's longer lived, we will be monitoring our wafer starts on a daily basis and we know how to react in those situations.
Yes. And let me add to that and I'll just frankly just emphasize what Dave said, he covered very well already. But most end markets have slowed. That's what we know. And we believe this is mostly driven by a slowdown in semiconductors, meaning we really can't speak to any macro driven event here.
As we have said before, the direct effect of the tariffs for us and any of the trade issues is minimal. It's really not there. So all we can judge is by what we see right in front of us, what our customers, the signal they send us, and that's what we're basing this on. In addition to that, as Dave said, the key thing here is what we do with the operating plan so that we put ourselves in a position so that if this is shallow, we can very quickly ramp back up and support growth. If it's not shallow, if it actually goes the other way, we're also in a position where we can make additional adjustments to just continue to do the right thing from a free cash flow standpoint and from an operating plan standpoint.
On the investment side, as I said during our prepared remarks, we're not going to change anything on R and D. SG and A will be prudent. And then on 200 millimeter, we're going to continue with the plans to continue expanding that strengthening the competitive advantage. You have a follow-up, Chris?
Yes. I guess, so not talking about the future, but just given what's happened to you up until now, what would you attribute the cause of the slowdown? Is it just overall demand? Is it tariffs? Is it China?
Is it too much inventory? Anything more specific on just a slowdown in semis? What are the customers or distis telling you, I guess?
Yes, Chris, I think that kind of reiterating what Rafael said and maybe add a little color is that we believe that it's mostly driven by a slowdown in the semiconductor market just after several years of strong growth. It doesn't preclude that there aren't other things and other factors and macro things that are going on. Certainly as the quarters evolve, those things will become more obvious of what role that they'll play. But that's where we'll just stick to what we can see and what we know. So all right.
Thank you, Chris. And we'll go
to the next caller.
Caller, your line is open. Ross Seymore with Deutsche Bank.
Hi, guys. Thanks for letting me ask a question. I guess I want to hit it from a lead time perspective. David, it doesn't seem like you're going to give terribly more color on it. But if it's short lead times and your lead times haven't really changed, it seems like it'd be more of a demand than an inventory perspective.
So any color you could give on that? And then maybe even geographically, is there any color about one market acting differently than any of the others?
Yes, Ross. Let me just comment on a few of the things that we can see. And certainly, we watch all of those indicators. And to kind of start with where I want to end is, the best indicator that we get are orders from customers that we get directly as well as you know we've got 60% of our revenues on consignment where we actually have demand feeds that customers are telling us what they plan to build. And those clearly are the best signals that we can see.
Our outlook will be built on that. And certainly those indicators show that demand slowed across most of the end markets during the quarter. And that's why you see the guidance as it is, the sentiment that kind of as we're working through things here. So when you look at the other indicators that we see, so things like distributor inventory, it's up slightly, but it's still running at about 4 weeks. Cancellations are up, but I would still describe them as running at low levels.
Our lead times, as you mentioned, they have continued to remain stable. And it doesn't matter what period you're in, you're always going to have places where demand will be tightened and we'll work customers on that. But the vast majority of products have continued to be very stable from a lead time standpoint. So that's kind of what we see. Regionally, I don't think when we look at our numbers, there's nothing there that we would call out specifically.
And also just as a reminder, I know you know very well that we ship product into a particular region, it may get put into a subsystem or a system and then shipped into another region of the world. So actually looking at our demand by regional results really doesn't give much color on what's going on from a macro standpoint. So you've got a follow on?
Yes. Just quickly, you haven't mentioned the automotive market in any short term fashion, but that's been the market that probably has the biggest laundry list of headwinds from your customers and your customers' customers. Any color of what you're seeing in aggregate or on the 5 sub segments within it?
Yes. In automotive, growth did slow there. But as you know, we've been growing very strongly and really for 5 years plus. So demand slowed, but it still grew double digits, right. So we saw that growth was broad based.
It was across the sectors, but in aggregate, it did slow as well as the demand inside of industrial.
So, okay.
Well, thank you, Ross. And we'll go to the next caller, please.
Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Great. Thank you. I wonder if you could just I think just take one more cut at this demand question. I mean, when you guys are guiding for Q4, is the conservatism entirely just what you're seeing in your order book? And to what degree when you see these automotive shortfalls at your customers and to a lesser extent industrial shortfalls at your customer, are you budgeting for that to maybe soften what your current level of visibility is?
Or is that not the way you're looking at it?
I'll just make a quick comment and then turn it over to Dave. But I wouldn't categorize or characterize that guidance as conservative. This is the best we know based on the orders that we're getting from our customers and the best signals that we have. And that range encompasses Yes, sure. I mean, do you have a sense for,
Yes, sure. I mean, do you have a sense for when you look at your Q3, do you think your customers built inventory? And did you see any people building ahead to get ahead of tariffs, either the 10% or the 25% tariff? Just any indications that your inventories may have built and that some element of the softening is an inventory decline in Q4? Just how are you thinking about those inventory levels?
Yes. So I'd point out or just remind you Joe, because I know you know, we've got 60% of our revenues on consignment. So for that revenue, there isn't an inventory buffer at our customers that are in front of that. The demand that we're seeing is the actual you know as close to the factory order builds as you're going to get. Our visibility ends there, right.
So, their demand downstream and downstream into their channels, of course we have no visibility on that front. So, we're fairly early in the announcement schedule and lineup and so we'll find out where that if there is inventory out there as more companies report. So thank you very much. And we'll go to the next caller please.
We'll go to Ambrish Srivastava with Bank of America I'm sorry with BMO.
Last I checked, still BMO, thank you. Never know. I'm sure Vivek is there on the line as well. Sorry, Vivek. You're safe, buddy.
So just Dave, on the demand side, I just wanted to you guys have been through several cycles. So I just wanted to make sure and you're correctly calling out that you're telling us what you're seeing on a fact based. But then these metrics like cancellations or de bookings or what have you, is there a rate of change that you look at and say that you can give us any perspective on how deep it's going to be or what kind of duration this would turn into?
I'll take a shot at that. And Dave, you want to add to that. But frankly, no. We as Dave said, we have the visibility that we have is to the consignment inventory that's in front of us. And by the way, that is inventory that is still on our books.
So we haven't recognized revenue for that. So that's one advantage of having that consignment, that inventory like that. And so that's the data point we have, and we use that to forecast low levels, and our lead times have remained stable. Okay. So I think low levels and our lead times have remained stable.
Yes. And I just say things like distributor inventory, Ambrish, I'll point out that it's still around 4 weeks. That's half to a third of what many of our peers run with the distributor inventory. As we implement these next phases, that number structurally will continue to come down over time. So now that doesn't mean that we're not going to see cycles and those types of impact.
And even with consignment inventory, we have as good a visibility as you can get on what our customers are going to build, but never confuse high visibility with that number can't change and change quickly. So, but we know about it as soon as the customers plan to do something different.
Let me add a little bit to that. On that next phase of consignment that we talked about, as Dave just mentioned, that's going to take those distribution inventory weeks from about 4 to maybe about 3 over the next year or so. That did put some headwind on our Q3 revenue of about $20,000,000 and it's probably going to put it is putting another $50,000,000 or so to our 4th quarter revenue. That is incorporated, of course, in our guide. Of course, that is a small part of what's going on here.
As we said, most of our markets saw a slowdown. That's the main driver of the guidance that we're giving.
Great. You have a follow on, Ambrish?
Yes, I did and that was helpful. Thank you. What was the book to bill for the quarter?
Book to bill, I knew you'd asked that question. It is 0.96 in the quarter. And as I always give that number, I have to for those that don't follow us, we've talked about the consignment programs. We don't carry any orders for that demand. And so book to bill, just be careful with the number, use it in the safety of your home.
So with that, we'll move on to the next caller please.
We'll go to Vivek Narra with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Hi, Vivek. Hi, Vivek. Yes.
Yes, glad I'm still here. So when I look at the last two downturns that you guys went through and I'm just focusing on the core analog and embedded business and I'm talking about say the first half of twenty thirteen or late 2015, they kind of lasted for 2 quarters and then you saw your core analog embedded business start to then start to grow year on year. I know you don't want to say anything about the future, but if you were to just help us contrast the customer behavior and the signals you're seeing now versus what you saw in those downturns, is there anything that stands out positive or negative?
Yes. I'd start that as we look at those and we all look at industry data. As we went through those other downturns, the ups weren't very strong and therefore the downs weren't very strong, right. And I think we've just described those as we move through them is just operating in a world that really had low economic growth, right? So the last couple of years, certainly we've had much stronger upturn in the economy.
Overall. The economic growth has been stronger over the last couple of years. So that's certainly different. I think that our business has continued to evolve. We have more industrial, more automotive business.
We're continuing to invest and ensure that that revenue is coming from diverse and long lived places. I think that we've continued to invest in our 300 millimeter analog footprint and growth. So we've got that going into the numbers. So and if you look at the financial performance of the company over those last cycles and even this quarter. And you look at the amount of free cash flow that we're generating, We just turned in as a percentage of revenue 37.5%.
Those are good strong numbers. And I think those are the things that give us confidence to continue to make the investments, to make the business stronger, investing in the competitive advantages. Markets will strengthen and weaken over periods of time, but we continue to stay focused on our opportunities.
Yes, let me comment on that. So, yes, today's point, we have demonstrated for a number of years now the strength of the business model. And that's through ups and now downs. And the right thing to do, what we will continue to have done and will continue to do is continue to strengthen our competitive advantages so that we continue become stronger. One of the things or one of the competitive advantages, as you know, is our manufacturing technology, specifically 300 millimeter.
And as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we are looking at the next tranche of capacity. So we're exploring options for our next 300 millimeter factory, and we'll likely make a decision within the next year or so. And this slowdown is not going to stop us from putting that in place. Now we'll do it smartly. And the first thing that you have to do is we end up building a factory.
We can still buy shell, the actual building, and then we can decide on equipment more incrementally beyond that. So to give you some things to think about on that front, our CapEx as we do that, our CapEx will increase to about 6% of revenue. In fact, it's already there. On the last trailing 12 months, we were at 6.6%. And then that is excluding that factory shell that I just talked about.
So if we end up building a factory, it will be about 6% CapEx as percent of revenue plus the shell and that shell will be $600,000,000 to $700,000,000 over a couple of years. So I want you guys to consider that and think about that. So that will be how we're looking at it and how we're planning that next transfer capacity. Do you have another question?
Yes. Thanks for that information. The next question is on buybacks. You bought back $1,200,000,000 right? You've been very active in buybacks over the trailing 12 months.
You still have, I believe you said $18,200,000,000 left. The stock is down 25% from its highs. Is it fair to assume that you can be more aggressive on buyback to take advantage of the stock price? Or in general, how do you think about when to be more aggressive with your buybacks? Thank you.
Yes. First, let me take a step back. What is the objective here, right? And the objective is to return all free cash flow to the owners of the company. So over the last 12 months, we generated $5,900,000,000 of free cash flow, and then we returned $6,200,000,000 So we returned virtually the same thing that we have generated.
So that's consistent with what we've done for a number of years. And we will continue to do that. Can we, on the margin, do a little bit more here and there? We could. But the big picture is that we'll return all free cash flow to the owners of the company.
Okay. Thank you very much. And I think we have time for one more caller.
Thank you. We'll go to Tore Svanberg with Stifel.
Yes, thank you. And congratulations on that analog operating margin. That's pretty impressive. First question, your SG and A was down quite a bit sequentially. It's now below 10%.
Is that going to
be sort of
the rate that we should consider going forward? And does that kind of already incorporate you managing the OpEx a bit more conservatively?
What I would tell you, we think of OpEx in general, not just SG and A, but OpEx in SG and A and R and D as investments. Not everything there, but certainly all of R and D is an investment and part of SG and A, the S part of SG and A. And that is to drive growth in revenue and free cash flow over the long term. And that's how we view that. We suggest you also look at it that way.
And then it's easier to then look at it on a trailing 12 month basis. It gets some of the quarter to quarter transitions out of the way that can be a little noisy. So on that basis, OpEx is up about 2% versus the same time period last quarter last year, I'm sorry. And that is a good expectation of how that number should trail. The other thing that I would point to is that SG and A in particular in 3rd quarter was down in part because of our CEO transition.
Do you have a follow-up?
Yes, Rafael. That's very helpful. My follow-up is on inventory days. So completely get it and I understand the new consignment plan. But how high are you willing to let the inventory days go given this structural change?
Yes. I don't want to get into specifics, but I'll frame it this way. 1, as I said, it will likely go above the range. So right now, the range is $115,000,000 to $145,000,000 So it likely go above $145,000,000 We think like owners. So to me, to us, that is a use of cash, right?
So I feel compelled to use that cash for inventory because I think it's a good return on that investment because it's going to help us on the other side of our recovery. And as I said, it's very low obsolescence type inventory. But we wouldn't keep it at those levels indefinitely. If it's a long lasting slowdown, then we would take additional measures to modulate that inventory, bring it back within the range at some point in the future.
Okay. Thank you very much, Tore. We appreciate all of you joining us tonight. A replay of this call is available on our website. Good night.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Again, that