Good day, and welcome to the Texas Instruments Second Quarter 2013 Mid Quarter Update Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference call over to your host, Ron Slemmaker. Please go ahead, sir.
Good afternoon, and thank you for joining TI's mid quarter financial update for the Q2 of 2013. Dave Paul from our Investor Relations team is also joining me today. In a moment, I will provide a short summary of TI's current expectations for the quarter, updating the revenue and EPS estimate ranges for the company. In general, we will not provide detailed information on revenue trends by segments or end markets and I will not address details of profit margins. In our earnings release at the end of the quarter, we will provide this information.
As usual with our mid quarter update, we will not be taking follow-up calls this evening. Considering the limited information available at this point in the quarter and in consideration of everyone's time, we will limit this call to 30 minutes. For any of you who missed the release, you can find it on our website at ti.com/ir. This call is broadcast live over the web and can be accessed through TI's website. A replay will be available through the web.
This call will include forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause TI's results to differ materially from management's current expectations. We encourage you to review the Safe Harbor statement contained in the news release published today as well as TI's most recent SEC filings for a more complete description. We have narrowed our expected ranges for TI's revenue and earnings around the middle of our previous ranges. We now expect TI revenue between 2.99 dollars 3,110,000,000 We expect earnings per share between $0.39 $0.43 Operator, you can now open the lines for questions. In order to provide as many of you as possible the opportunity to ask a question, Please limit yourself to a single question.
I will provide you the opportunity to ask a follow-up. Operator?
Thank you, sir. And we'll take our first question from Glenn Young with Citi.
Thanks, Ron. Obviously, you're guiding in line on revenues needs yet. But I wonder if within the mix of your business, there was any deviations from what you thought might occur over the course of the quarter, either product mix or geographic mix?
I can give you some review of that Glenn. As you noted, I think the quarter is generally tracking consistent with our expectations. Along those lines, strength has broadened across both customers and markets during the quarter as we had expected when we gave our April guidance. The strength in the industrial market that we saw in the first quarter has continued into the Q2. And just as a reminder, the industrial market, it's important to us today, but we expect it will be more important to our future as we really focus more and more of our investments in that space.
We serve that market mostly through catalog product lines such as Silicon Valley analog, our high performance analog product line as well as some of the product lines in embedded processing such as microcontrollers. Automotive also continues to grow such as we saw in the Q1. We serve the automotive market through a range of products, including both catalog and application specific analog products, OMAP applications processors and also DLP products. In the communications market, we're seeing some growth in communications infrastructure this quarter on a sequential basis as well as some growth in handsets. And the handsets really been through a range of catalog products such as audio amplifiers that we sell into that space.
Revenue from our legacy wireless product lines will decline sequentially as we continue to wind them down and as we had expected and communicated. PCs and notebooks are weak this quarter as we had expected. And then finally, I would note that consumer is mixed with areas like gaming consoles weak well, specifically gaming consoles weak and other areas in consumer mostly tracking sideways this quarter. Do you have a follow on, Glenn?
Yes. Ron, as I hear you say things like industrial is going to become a greater portion of your business. And as you think forward, TR is obviously still in the sort of the mix of some degree of transition. Can you describe what your model is going to look like 2 or 3 years from now? I know it's rare to get a long term question on this kind of call, but just do you feel like you have room for your model to improve from where it stands today?
Do you think it's sort of on an upward facing trajectory?
Glenn, I'm not going to break from the model that we've communicated previously, which is our expectation that we certainly have the capacity and the expectation to generate 20% to 25% of free cash flow from our revenue. That being said, clearly with the capacity position we have, which is very strong and an improving product mix. And if you look at, for example, gross margin and the income statement side of things, just a simple thing I'd point out is last year, depreciation was 7.5% of revenue and capital spending is what's actually below 4% of revenue. And we expect that it will hold at that level until we're able to cross $18,000,000,000 of revenue. So I think clearly you would expect that financially we have room for improvement and pretty good runway ahead of us there.
Okay, Glenn. I appreciate your questions. And let's move to next caller please.
Next caller will be John Pitzer with Credit Suisse.
Hi, Ron. Thanks for letting me ask the question. The first question Ron, just quickly as far as the trajectory of this upturn. If you look at your June quarter guidance, it's coming in more along seasonal lines than kind of above seasonal. I'm just kind of curious if you think that that's a reflection of just still uncertainty in the macro environment, because typically the Q1 off the bottom you tend to see better than seasonal growth.
So I'm trying to get a sense of how you guys are kind of viewing the cyclical recovery for the industry.
John, I think what we're seeing thus far is a very well behaved recovery. And clearly, what can cause rapid acceleration would be things like lead time starting to extend and then customers feeling they need to layer in more inventory and that causes a surge in demand that causes lead times to go out further. And frankly, that is a very that is not a particularly healthy environment, one where the macro is providing support for growth in the electronics industry, which then puts higher demand on our products, where we're able as we are right now, both because of our strong capacity position to maintain lead times that are short and also with our inventory position to be able to service customer demand as it comes in. That is a very well behaved and well controlled upturn. And frankly, versus the former case, we would much rather have a well behaved upturn.
So again, this is mid quarter. We still have to get through this quarter and we'll see what's ahead. But what we're seeing right now is very encouraging in terms of growth, the broadening of growth as I said earlier across customers in various end markets and especially our ability to service that demand. In an environment frankly where when we look across various competitors, we're already seeing some things that make us believe that competitors, for example, are taking actions to try to get customers to give more extended visibility to avoid lead time extensions. We've seen upside demand from particular customers and what I'll call an unfair share of demand coming TI's way, where customers are citing competitors that are not able to respond to their increased demand in a near term type of environment.
So again, we find the current environment very encouraging right now. Do you have a follow on, John?
Maybe just a follow on from that. Can you quantify kind of what the share gains might be for you guys in this environment? Because clearly some of the rationale of being having as much capacity as you do was the ability to gain share. So when you look at the June guidance, what do you think is industry growth versus perhaps TI gaining share?
That's really impossible for us to know or for us to even guess at this point, John. And I'm not trying to imply that you're going to see some big step function in terms of share gains for TI. That's not the case. And frankly, even though I do believe I agree with what you're saying that the capacity position that we are in can be and is starting to become a competitive advantage for TI even here and now today. That really was not the rationalization.
The rationalization was we got really good prices on that capacity and we're going to be able to generate really good returns on that capacity over a 20 to 25 year period. So certainly certain periods like we're starting to enter, it can be a near term competitive advantage. But we really look at those capacity investments more from the standpoint of some really attractive returns we're going to be able to generate on those investments going forward. Okay, John. Thank you for your questions.
And we'll move to the next caller please.
Next question with JPMorgan, Christopher Danley.
Thanks, Ron. Last quarter on the update you talked about how your book to bill is trending. Can you just talk about how bookings and backlog are trending? And remind us what a typical Q3 sequential growth looks like?
Okay. Chris, and I'm going to I'll answer your question on backlog and bookings. And Dave, I'll let you answer the question about typical Q3. So I would say in general, I would describe orders this quarter as strong. We've seen turns levels that we expected would be high because of our short lead times and just the nature of the customer right now to try to stay hand them out.
They have been high this quarter. But again, that really ties to our ability to deliver strongly in terms of service levels and on time delivery with those short lead times. That being said, I'll also note that we are building backlog again this quarter. So to your question on book to bill, it is expanding. It's greater than 1 again this quarter.
And I would say that customers are beginning to provide a little more extended visibility for TI with their backlog in this case giving us some visibility out into Q3 even. Dave, do you want to talk about typical Q3 rates?
Yes. I'll Chris, I'll give you our average sequential growth in 3rd quarter and this is just our numbers all in. We have seen a 5% on average increase over Q2 and Q3. And I'll just remind you on those 5 data points, obviously very noisy and the range on those 5 data points range from flat to up 17%. So you can tell it's pretty noisy from that standpoint.
Do you have
a follow-up?
On Chris?
Yes. So I think in response to John's question, you mentioned that you've been able to gain share because some of your competitors weren't able to make deliveries. Can you maybe expand on that? Do you see your competitors' lead time stretching out? Or are they just leaving the customers' lines down?
Maybe talk about that a little bit and how you're able to react to that?
Chris, and again, that was a pretty narrow example I gave. It's one of those things you would expect to see early in a recovery. I don't want to try to translate it into some big broad trend in the industry. But what I would say is we have seen where customers' demand for their products is starting to pick up. They're coming in with relatively near term requests in terms of wanting product.
I don't know that it's so much that the competitor in this particular case was extending lead times or anything like that. It was just probably an inside lead time request from the customer. The competitor couldn't deliver to it and we could. And so we got our unfair share of I shouldn't say unfair share of that business. We got our due share
of that business,
competitor more directly to TI. Okay, Chris. Thanks for your questions. We'll move to next caller.
David Wong with Wells Fargo has our next question.
Thanks very much. Just to push a bit further on Chris' question, the bookings, did you actually see the momentum? Have you been seeing it grow through the quarter? Is it that each week you see a higher level of bookings? Or are you saying that it's staying on a high plateau that it began with?
David, that kind of order of linearity question always. I guess what I would say is we felt in general throughout the quarter that orders have been strong. It hasn't been every day by day or week by week getting stronger. It's as any quarter noisy. But in general, I would describe the order trends this quarter as having been strong.
Do you have a follow on David?
Yes. Can you give us any sort of feel for what your sequential growth of your core business is? If we sort of back out, I mean, your guidance what that implies for your core business, because you have got some businesses that you're exiting that are coming down and you have the seasonality of your calculator business, right? I mean, is it still about 5% to 6% sequential growth for your core semiconductor business?
Okay, David. I think a couple of things there. The calculator growth typically adds about 3 points of growth to our 3rd quarter. And as you pointed out, the decline in legacy wireless this quarter will have about that same impact or an offsetting impact, meaning that just that the legacy wireless revenue will lower our sequential growth by about 3 points alone. So those the legacy wireless and the calculator trends for the most part are offsetting.
And so that would give you an indication of where analog and embedded are. And they may not again, we see differences within those areas. So like I said, HPA or high performance analog and the Silicon Valley analog both with their very good exposure into automotive markets, we'll probably run a little bit above that and some other areas will be running a little bit below that, but kind of a normal mix up there. Thank you for your questions, David. We'll move to next caller.
From Mitch Shaw with Nomura Syk, we'll have our next question.
Thanks a lot. Hey guys, a couple of the other diversified semi companies, Avago and Microchip have raised guidance recently or talked about accelerating trends in the industrial space. How do you guys reconcile that versus your comment that business is good, but from your comments it doesn't sound like it's better than what you thought when you gave guidance back in April? Thanks.
Okay. Well, I will I'll take a stab at that. I think in the case of Microchip, their recent guidance raise took their midpoint to 5.5%, which was slightly below the midpoint of growth for which for the revenue range that we initially described in April and are reaffirming today. I know Analog Devices came out not too long ago with their guidance for they're off, I believe, by a month versus our quarter. But the midpoint of their guidance is 2%.
So and I to be honest, I don't I didn't follow the details of Avago. But I think when I look at the peer guidance and what we're seeing, I think we're seeing very similar and describing very similar things in our markets. Do you have a follow on, Romet?
Yes. Just any visibility you could give us on the common infrastructure space? And you mentioned that it was a growth area this quarter, but how are you thinking about China LTE going into the back half of the year?
I'll take that one, Rohit. And let me make the comment in the context of embedded processing. So we do expect that we will have growth in embedded processing both driven from industrial as well as automotive markets and in addition to communications infrastructure. And we're seeing that strength in comms infrastructure primarily driven by spending by North American operators and I'd say with some signs of increased activity inside of China. So we're beginning to see that benefit flow through the business.
Okay, Rama. Thank you for your questions. Let's move to next caller.
Tim Steve Curry with Cowen has our next question.
I ask a little bit about distributor inventory. If you look at some of the companies that recognize revenue on sell in, they had some of the best guidance for the June quarter relative to normal seasonal. So I'm wondering does that imply that the channel is building some inventory in June? Can you talk a little bit about that? Yes, Tim, I'll take that question.
I would say overall, our expectation for resales through distribution will be that it will grow a few points sequentially. And if you look at the inventory that they owned, we think that that should hold about the same level as what we exited last quarter at and that's around 5.5 weeks. So definitely lean by any measure that we'd have. I'd also remind you that about half of our distribution inventory is supported by our consignment program. So the fact that we do recognize everything technically by a shift in method that inventory and those sales behave exactly as if it were sell through.
So do you have a
follow-up? Some of those swings that you might normally see for sell in type of players with inventory building and depleting will be dampened as we move more revenue toward consignment. Do you have a Tim do you have a follow on question?
I do Ron. Yes. This might be mincing hairs. But when you guided June, you said that TV was going to be a bit weak. And now you're saying that within the consumer sector that only gaming is weak.
So does that imply that TV was a little bit better than you thought?
Tim, I might be wrong. And you have you may have your notes directly in front of you from that last quarter call. But I believed when I talked about what we were seeing in television in April that was really referencing Q1 more so than our expectations for Q2. We normally try not to get into a lot of end market specific expectations for our guidance. So to my knowledge, TV has not weakened versus our expectations.
My understanding is that what we're seeing in the television market currently is some growth in the very large screen segment of the market and really not much growth in the kind of midsize and smaller screen market. But I'm not aware that there's been a change in trend other than what at least from our expectations. Okay, Tim. Thanks for your questions. And operator, we'll move to the next caller.
Certainly. Next one will come from Vivek Arya with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Thanks for taking my question. Can you talk about factory utilization Ron? Any changes versus what you were planning back in April?
Dave?
Yes. Vivek, we're expecting utilization to be up this quarter basically just supporting the higher level of demands that we see coming in.
Vivek, we don't really have comments on whether it's changed versus our expectations in April for you though. Do you have a follow on to that?
Yes. This is probably a slightly unrelated question to what you generally comment on the call. But is there a way to tactically use your excess capacity as a foundry for other customers that don't compete with you?
I guess theoretically we could, but we have no intention to do that. In fact, if you fill that capacity up with I don't care whether it's low margin, I mean, whether it's foundry or just low margin business in general, then when you need it, you have the capacity utilized and that's not what our strategy is. We do not believe that we have too much capacity today. As we explained in our call back in February on our capital management strategy, our strategy for capacity is to purchase it opportunistically and therefore get good prices for it and then to position that capacity ahead of or well ahead of demand. So our view is as growth returns and it is already, our capacity is quickly becoming a competitive advantage for TI as I said before.
I know there's a lot of discussion seems like amongst analysts and investors about pressure on gross margins. What I would say is just keep in mind only about half of the underutilization expense that's associated with our capacity is cash based. The other half is non cash based. So it has really pretty minimal impact on our cash flow. So I think more importantly, having our the strong capacity that we do have and having it acquired at the kind of very attractive prices that we did by buying it when frankly there wasn't a lot of demand for that capacity in our industry from other competitors means that our free cash flow is going to be strongly benefited not only today, but also in the future.
And I know I mentioned before, but I'll just reiterate our capital expenditures are already at historic lows and we're going to be able to sustain those low levels for years ahead. So getting those assets for pennies on the dollar are going to provide years of benefit to our free cash flow. And as you've heard us say before, that higher free cash flow is what allows us then to commit to higher returns to our shareholders, both dividends and repurchases. So while some may be sitting on the sidelines waiting for gross margins to start to lift, Our free cash flow is already lifting. And in fact, you've seen the benefit in the form of higher dividends and repurchases.
Okay. Thank you for your questions, Vivek. And operator, I think we have time for one more color.
Certainly, sir. And that will come from Doug Friedman with RBC Capital Markets.
Great. Thanks for taking my question, guys. And Ron, can I focus in a little bit on the CapEx? How are you running quarter to date there? And is there any should we be thinking that your capital spend this year could have some lumpiness?
I believe I saw an announcement of some investment in assembly and test assets.
Doug, I think I don't have a mid quarter update on our capital expenditures. What I can say is that we are confident in the kind of guidance that we provided, which I believe was $500,000,000 of capital expenditures for the year. Those can always be somewhat lumpy from quarter to quarter, but the $500,000,000 is our plan. And I think there's no reason for us to believe otherwise. And just by the way, I should compare our guidance on depreciation is $900,000,000 So you know what's going to happen to that as we hold capital spending at lower levels.
I think the what you might be referring to is in terms of the assembly test site is last week we announced that we had selected the location of Chengdu in China where we already have an existing wafer fab as the site for our next assembly test facility. But there will be that will not create any lumpiness in terms of capital expenditures. And what I mean by that is we will continue to spend that will not impact our $500,000,000 forecast for this year. It will not impact our guidance that we will be able to maintain CapEx at 4% of revenue until we achieve or exceed $18,000,000,000 of revenue. And then from then, we'll be tracking probably 4% to 7% of revenue.
The Chengdu announcement, we also talked about that our future investments in that location could total up to $1,690,000,000 But keep in mind that's over the next 15 years. So and when you're making these kinds of long range site type planning for our manufacturing operations, they genuinely are long range. You have to get sites selected well in advance of actually spending money and that's really what that announcement was all about. Do you have a follow on question Doug?
I do and thank you for that clarification. That was exactly what I was looking for. The follow on question though is a little bit of a clarification to the way you answered a few questions earlier this afternoon. One was in regards to Q3 seasonal pattern. And then the other, I felt like you were possibly answering the seasonal impact of Q2.
So I just want to make sure I understand the 5% average guidance for growth for Q3 and what that would look like excluding the impact of the business change mix that we're expected to experience?
And there you're talking specifically about the legacy wireless business. So what Dave provided was just that Q3 on average over the last 5 years has grown 5% sequentially. I think he said it had a 0% to 17% range. And so you can decide whether that 5% average number is particularly useful. So that's what we've done over the last 5 years.
This quarter, if you say, I think in April, we indicated that our wireless revenue, the legacy wireless revenue would decline about $60,000,000 from the Q1 level, which was $210,000,000 So that would put it roughly in the range of $150,000,000 in the current quarter. I don't have a specific update for you here at the mid quarter on that number, but our expectation is that $150,000,000 or so of legacy wireless revenue in 2nd quarter will continue to decline until it's essentially 0 going into the by the Q1 of 2014. So that would be a consideration just as it is a consideration this quarter. So Dave nor I were trying to specifically endorse that average growth rate for Q3 for this particular. We were just communicating what that average growth rate has been historically.
Okay, Doug. Thank you for your questions. And before we end the call, let me remind you that the replay is available on our website. Thank you and good evening.
And ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. Have a great day.