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Earnings Call: Q3 2022

Nov 7, 2022

Operator

Good day, and welcome to today's Veeco Q3 2022 earnings call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Anthony Bencivenga, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Anthony Bencivenga
Investor Relations, Veeco Instruments

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on the call today are Bill Miller, Veeco's Chief Executive Officer, and John Kiernan, our Chief Financial Officer. Today's earnings release is available on the Veeco website. Please note that we have prepared a slide presentation to accompany today's webcast. We encourage you to follow along with the slides on veeco.com. This call is being recorded by Veeco Instruments and is copyrighted material. It cannot be recorded or rebroadcast without Veeco's express permission. Your participation implies consent to our recording.

To the extent that this call discusses expectations about market conditions, market acceptance, and future sales of the company's products, future disclosures, future earnings expectations, or otherwise make statements about the future, such statements are forward-looking and subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the statements made, including as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. These factors are discussed in the Business Description, Management's Discussion and Analysis, and Risk Factors sections of the company's report on Form 10-K and annual report to shareholders, and in our subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10-Q, current reports on Form 8-K, and press releases. Veeco does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements, including those made on this call, to reflect future events or circumstances after the date of such statements. During this call, management will address non-GAAP financial measures.

Information regarding such non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliation to GAAP measures of performance, is available on our website. With that, I will turn the call over to our CEO, Bill Miller.

Bill Miller
CEO, Veeco Instruments

Thank you, Anthony. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Veeco delivered another solid quarter with robust year-on-year revenue growth driven by semiconductor sales. The Veeco United team is performing well, continually innovating across our differentiated portfolio of technologies and executing on our supply chain to meet customer commitments. Today, I'll take you through our third quarter highlights and discuss our markets and technologies. John will provide a financial update and guidance, and then we'll be happy to take questions. Our revenue of $172 million was above the midpoint of our guide and driven by another record quarter in semiconductor, with significant contributions from laser annealing as well as systems for advanced packaging and EUV mask blank production.

Our solid execution led to non-GAAP operating income of $28 million and non-GAAP EPS of $0.45, which were both near the top end of our guided range. We ended the quarter with $272 million in cash and short-term investments, an increase of $40 million. As we look across our order book for the quarter, we see pockets of strength in an otherwise mixed demand environment. For example, we had multiple multi-system orders for our laser annealing systems for logic applications. We also had increased order activity in our data storage market for ion beam systems over the last two quarters. At the same time, the weakness in consumer and mobile device markets is impacting our wet processing and lithography product lines for 5G RF filters, power amplifiers, and advanced packaging applications.

As such, we've seen corresponding pushouts of shipments by one or two quarters and reduction in orders, which are impacting near-term revenue for these product lines. Consequently, we're carefully balancing the risk associated with this mixed demand environment and the investments we're making to execute our growth strategy. From a supply chain perspective, our team's been executing well, and I would say there's a sense that the situation is improving. We're focused on flexibility in our supply chain and working with our partners to overcome issues as they arise. I'll switch gears to our specific markets and technologies, starting with the semiconductor market. There's a prevailing consensus among third parties that wafer fab equipment spending will decline in 2023 by over 20%. This forecasted decline is more heavily weighted to memory and stems from weakness in consumer, PC, and smartphone markets.

Currently, Veeco's semiconductor business is weighted heavily towards logic with our laser annealing, advanced packaging, and EUV mask blank products. While we're monitoring WFE carefully, at this time, we continue to invest in executing our growth strategy, are well-positioned with attractive technologies, and we're optimistic about expanding our served available market. Despite current headwinds stemming from the consumer markets I just mentioned, over the long term, the semiconductor market is driven by secular growth drivers, including megatrends such as AI and high-performance computing, the transformation of the auto industry, and ongoing data center and cloud adoption. Veeco is well-positioned with exciting products in this market, which has grown from approximately 25% of our total revenue in 2018 to more than half of our total revenue in 2022.

This reflects the execution of our vision and strategy over the last few years to grow in the semiconductor market. To start, our laser annealing systems have applicability in both leading and trailing logic nodes, helping our customers with AI and high performance computing, as well as mature automotive and consumer applications. This is Veeco's largest product line, driving our growth in the semiconductor market. Commenting on our third quarter laser annealing order activity, the majority of orders came from China for trailing node logic applications. Based on our analysis of the new export regulations, which John will explain in a few minutes, we do not expect these orders to be export restricted. During the quarter, we achieved a significant milestone by shipping a laser annealing system with shorter dwell times to an important leading edge logic customer in support of their technology roadmap.

These advancements in dwell times, along with other advancements in optics, demonstrate our commitment to help our customers with their most difficult materials challenges. Veeco's laser annealing platform is the production tool of record at the world's leading logic players for select annealing steps. In addition to logic, we've introduced laser annealing to the memory market. In fact, after a recent DRAM evaluation sign-off, we anticipate volume purchase orders in the 2023-2024 time frame. Overall, our laser annealing business is growing as we win process steps and new customers. Now, looking at our advanced packaging lithography product line. We continue to see good potential in applications such as fan-out wafer-level packaging, copper pillar and bumping, driven by GPU production and high-performance computing.

We expect our advanced packaging lithography product to continue to be a contributor to our semiconductor market as manufacturers seek to increase IO densities and integrate diverse chips in packages to improve performance. Switching gears to the EUV mask blank product line. Our ion beam deposition technology has been identified as the technology of choice to deposit defect-free films to create EUV mask blanks. We expect this product line to remain in demand as customers plan their capacity additions to keep up with the adoption of EUV lithography. ASML recently reiterated their plans to ship over 60 EUV lithography systems in 2023, and they're working on capacity expansion plans to ship 90 systems annually by 2025. With approximately one of our systems required for every 10-15 EUV lithography systems, we currently size this market at three-five ion beam systems per year.

Our semiconductor business is performing well today and driving Veeco's performance in 2022 and beyond. Now, looking at our compound semiconductor market. We're working to penetrate this market with our MOCVD solutions by targeting power electronics applications and photonics applications, including Micro LED. Our gallium nitride MOCVD system is in the field under evaluation with a leading customer for an 8-inch power application. We believe there are opportunities in the consumer, automotive, and data center power markets to enable improved cost of ownership with an eight inch GaN solution while delivering best-in-class film properties. During the quarter, we shipped multiple deposition systems to support photonics applications, and we received evaluation acceptance for our Lumina Arsenic Phosphide MOCVD system. This system was being evaluated for a red Micro LED application, and we're now working with this customer to further optimize their manufacturing process.

We continue to believe both power electronics and MicroLED are attractive markets and a good long-term opportunity for the company. As such, we're focusing R&D investments in these areas. Our third major end market is data storage. In the data storage market, the mix of hard disk drive shipments for PCs, servers, and cloud data centers has been transitioning for some time. Overall number of drives shipping has been declining in the consumer markets. But in the growing enterprise markets, the capacity and number of magnetic heads per hard drive have been increasing in response to a 30% growth rate in data stored each year in cloud and data center applications. In fact, the absolute number of heads shipped has been steadily increasing for years and is forecasted to continue to increase.

In addition, the complexity of heads has been increasing and is expected to continue to increase as disk drive makers advance their technology roadmaps. Because ion beam equipment is used to manufacture our customers' magnetic heads, and based on these industry dynamics I just described, we believe the data storage market will provide growth over the long term. After a multi-year period of growth, and based on reduced order activity in 2021, data storage performance in 2022 is paying out as we expected as customers slow the pace of capacity additions. As we look forward, however, based on current order activity, we expect 2023 data storage revenue to grow over 2022. Now, let's review our 2022 priorities. The Veeco team is performing well in a challenging macroeconomic environment. Employee health is a top priority.

We've lifted most safety protocols in our facilities, but we're monitoring and staying flexible. Our customer evaluation program continues to be successful. During the quarter, we received another customer acceptance for one of our systems. We're developing exciting products in annealing and ion beam that solve customers' high-value problems, and we're planning to ship systems for customers to evaluate in the coming year. Another key focus for us in 2022 has been managing our supply chain to deal with global shortages of certain components and commodities. We've been doing just that, and I remain committed to remain within our full year 2022 revenue guidance. In fact, I'm confident our technologies are well aligned with growth markets driven by global mega trends I highlighted earlier. We're well-positioned to capitalize on these mega trends to drive Veeco's long-term growth and profitability.

With that, I'll turn it over to John Kiernan.

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

Thanks, Bill, and good afternoon, everyone. Today I'll be discussing non-GAAP financial data. I would encourage you to refer to our reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP results, which you can find in our press release or at the end of the quarterly earnings presentation. Turning to Q3 revenue by market and geography. Revenue totaled $172 million for the quarter, and as Bill mentioned, was driven by record sales to our semiconductor customers, which increased 3% sequentially from Q2 2022 and 32% from a year ago. Our semiconductor business made up 59% of our total revenue, similar to last quarter, with significant contribution coming from our laser annealing products. The compound semiconductor market contributed 16% of our revenue, and while down sequentially, revenue in this market increased 21% from Q3 2021.

This was driven by system shipments for Photonics and RF applications. Data storage market came in at 16% of total revenue and in line with our expectations. Finally, the scientific market made up 9% of our revenue. Now looking at third quarter revenue by region, our Asia Pacific region, excluding China, made up 38% of total revenue driven by semiconductor system sales. The United States was 31% of our total revenue, driven primarily by semiconductor sales as well as systems sold to data storage customers. China made up 21% of total revenue, primarily driven by sales to semiconductor customers, as well as shipments for compound semiconductor applications. Finally, EMEIA made up 10% of total revenue for the quarter. Switching gears to our non-GAAP third quarter results. Gross margin came in at 42% in line with guidance.

Operating expenses for the quarter were $44 million, below our guide on lower SG&A expenses than originally planned. We have begun to slow the pace of hiring, focusing on the highest priority positions while we address the macroeconomic environment. Tax expense for the quarter was approximately $300 thousand, with net income coming in at $26 million, and EPS was $0.45 on a diluted share count of 63.5 million shares. Now moving to the balance sheet and cash flow highlights. We ended the quarter with cash and short-term investments of $272 million, an increase of $40 million from last quarter. This brings us close to being cash debt neutral, an important milestone we've been working toward. Cash flow from operations was $47 million.

This cash performance benefited from an increase in customer deposits of 88% or $51 million during the quarter, increasing from $58 million- $109 million. A portion of the deposits pertain to products scheduled to ship in 2024. Our accounts receivable increased by $16 million due to the timing of shipments and customer payments, some of which were delayed and collected in the first week of the fourth quarter. As a result, DSO for the quarter increased to 75 days from 70 days in the prior quarter. Accounts payable increased sequentially by $4 million- $51 million, with days payable at 46. Inventory was $188 million, up $12 million from the prior quarter due to an increase in incoming material with days of inventory increasing to 161 days.

CapEx for the quarter was $6.4 million. This included limited payments for our San Jose facility expansion. We still have remaining payments of approximately $7 million, which we expect to make in the coming quarters. We fully transitioned our operations to the new facility during the third quarter as expected, and we're glad we did. I think it's fair to say the expanded capacity enabled us to deliver record semiconductor revenue over the last few quarters. Long-term debt, including the current portion of $20 million, was recorded at $274 million on the balance sheet and represents the carrying value of our $278 million in convertible notes.

Before turning to Q4 non-GAAP guidance, let me start with some details on the new China export regulations, which have broadened the requirements under which export licenses will be required with the presumption that they will be denied. Generally, semiconductor equipment sold to fabs in China manufacturing logic devices at or below 16 nanometer, DRAM devices at or below 18 nanometer half pitch, or NAND devices at or above 128 layers will require export licenses. U.S. persons supporting these operations will also require licenses. In addition, U.S. government created a new export classification code for certain deposition equipment, which will now require licenses. Certain China-based companies have been added to the Department of Commerce Unverified List.

Our recent order activity has led to an increase in backlog in China, particularly in our LSA product line, which may be subject to these regulations. While the export landscape is fluid and evolving, we believe at this time the substantial majority of our backlog will not be negatively affected by the new regulations. Now, turning to Q4 non-GAAP guidance. With these new export regulations and current supply and demand environment in mind, we expect Q4 revenue to be between $150 million and $170 million. Incorporated in this revenue guide, we're assuming a less than $5 million impact due to the China export restrictions. With a less favorable mix in Q3, we expect gross margin to be between 39% and 41%. We expect OpEx to be between $43 million and $45 million. Net income is expected between $13 million and $23 million.

EPS is expected between 0.24 and 0.40 per diluted share and is based upon a 64 million share count. Please refer to the schedule in the guidance section of the earnings press release and backup section of the earnings presentation, which illustrates how Q4 EPS is calculated based on the guidance ranges provided. Now for some additional color beyond Q4. Q1 revenue appears to be flat to slightly down from our Q4 2022 guide as we're experiencing a slowdown in our 5G RF and advanced packaging markets. Given the alignment between our differentiated technologies and the mega trends driving the markets in which we operate, we're optimistic about the growth of our business despite these current market dynamics.

Finally, as highlighted in our prior quarterly earnings call, there is a possibility within the next twelve months that a significant portion of our deferred tax asset valuation allowance will no longer be needed. If this happens, from a GAAP perspective, a P&L tax benefit will be realized in the period in which the reversal takes place. Additionally, from both a GAAP and non-GAAP perspective, the effective tax rate would increase from that point forward. From a cash perspective, the company will continue to use its tax NOL and credit carryforwards to offset U.S. taxes, limiting the cash impact until such carryforwards have been fully utilized. With that, Bill and I would be happy to take your questions. Operator, please open the line.

Operator

Thank you, sir. A reminder to the participants, if you would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Again, press star one to ask a question. We'll pause for just a moment to allow everyone the opportunity to signal for questions. We will take the first question from Rick Schafer, Oppenheimer. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Rick Schafer
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer and Co. Inc.

Yeah, thanks, guys. A couple questions if I could. The first one, you know, Bill or John, I'm curious, you know, on order velocities obviously are slowing for everyone. I mean, I'm curious, are you guys just seeing orders pushed out, or I didn't hear you talk much about cancellation. Curious if you are seeing any cancels, and if you are, you know, if you could just give some color on is it more near term backlog, that's seeing cancels, or is it more of the long term stuff, you know, three, four quarters out?

Bill Miller
CEO, Veeco Instruments

What we're seeing, Rick, is a push out kinda in this kinda Q4, Q1 timeframe out by one-two quarters. We have not seen any significant cancellations. I wanna be clear about that. When you talk about order velocity, the macroeconomic environment's a bit challenging. I kinda characterize it as mixed. On one hand, smartphone and PC weakness is creating headwinds for certain segments, particularly advanced packaging, lithography for application processors and GPU and wet processing is being impacted with slowdown in 5G RF filters and power amplifiers. Those are typically our shorter lead time, one-two-quarter kind of products.

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

At the same time, from a positive standpoint, you know, these secular growth drivers such as AI and high-performance computing, transformation of auto industry, data center, cloud, et cetera, our data storage business has been doing well from an order standpoint. We've been receiving technology and capacity orders from our customers. Laser annealing, we've been receiving good orders for both advanced and trailing node logic. You know, and we even have customer deposits for orders scheduled into 2024. It's really, you know, kind of the short end of the market and the longer term part of the market that kind of makes us feel like it's a mixed environment right now.

Rick Schafer
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer and Co. Inc.

Well, that's really great color. Thanks a lot, Bill. Maybe a follow-up to that, just, it sounds like, I don't know if I put words in your mouth, that 5G RF and advanced package probably are down in 4Q and down again in 1Q, it sounds like. Is it safe to assume, I mean, do you see growth in some of the other segments as we go into the fourth quarter? Maybe just some color on directions anyway, for, you know, by segment in 4Q.

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

Yeah. Let me take a shot at that, Rick. You know, we are guiding at the midpoint about $160 million in revenue to Q4, so that's down from our Q3 actuals of 172 million, roughly. If I cover that in the four markets, we see, you know, semi down just slightly in Q4 compared to, you know, Q3, mainly driven by advanced packaging. In the compound semi side, we do see revenue down in the compound semi market compared to Q4, driven, you know, by the reduction in, you know, 5G RF power amplifiers, still good business there.

We see data storage down a bit in Q4, and we see the scientific, which is the smallest piece of our business, tick up a bit in Q4.

Rick Schafer
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer and Co. Inc.

Thanks. Thanks for all that. If I could, I mean that 5 million impact that you talked about from China, if we sort of annualize that, should we think of kind of pulling sort of $20 million out of the 2023 model as sort of, you know, in your de-risking China as best we can at this stage?

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

Yeah. I think that's a little bit, you know, complicated there, Rick. Let me go through a little bit of detail, and hopefully that will help gain an understanding. In China, you know, this past year or so, it's been about 20% of our, you know, business overall, you know, spread across multiple technologies, semi, compound semi, and scientific, not really any, you know, data storage in China. Of course, these new export regulations are geared towards advanced semiconductors. That applies to, you know, a piece of our business in China. Based upon the recent, you know, activity for our LSA products, we actually expect, you know, our China business to be up a bit in the near term.

You know, the export regulations landscape is quite fluid and evolving. As we said in our prepared remarks, we believe that at this time, a substantial majority of our backlog will not be negatively impacted by the new regulations. This is really, you know, due to that, you know, we've been taking orders for, you know, trailing nodes and our LSA products aren't a class of products that require export licenses. If I look further out in the future, it's not as clear if the current regulations will impact our, you know, customers, you know, buying patterns. We do recognize there may be future business that we could have, you know, won that's not currently in our backlog that might not materialize.

You know, this could be from follow-on business from existing customers, if they're looking to operate at more advanced nodes or, you know, potential new customers that we would have the ability to penetrate, and they're either operating at advanced nodes or just been recently, you know, added to the Department of Commerce's restricted list. You know, overall, as we look forward, it's hard to estimate what this potential impact, you know, might be. As we said, you know, in our prepared remarks, as of now, we expect to be able to ship the substantial portion of our backlog. You know, a little bit long-winded, but that's our current view.

Rick Schafer
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer and Co. Inc.

It was great color. Thanks a lot, guys.

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

Thanks, Rick.

Operator

We will take the next question from Mark Miller, The Benchmark Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Mark Miller
Senior Equity Analyst, The Benchmark Company

Thank you for the question. Are there any other tools besides the LSA that might be impacted in China?

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

I'll throw it in. I think some of our very small ALD R&D systems might be impacted, but it's not a big number. John, I don't know if there's any other things. No, I think that captures it well, Bill. Mark, that one of the equipment that got added to the export regulations was deposition equipment, and for the most part, we don't sell a lot of, you know, deposition equipment into China.

Mark Miller
Senior Equity Analyst, The Benchmark Company

Okay. Can you give me an update on the status on the eval tools you have in the field?

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

Sure, sure. You know, we've talked about ramping up to 10 eval systems. You know, we've had a high concentration in the semi space and of that, a big concentration in laser annealing. We're pretty excited that over the course of this year, the majority of this first batch of eval tools have been successful. Accepted successfully, excuse me. We're working with these customers to turn those acceptances into follow-on volume orders. We do expect to ship a couple evals this quarter, and we have an aggressive plan in 2023 to continue our eval program, primarily across semi and secondarily in the compound semi space. I think we're continuing the same playbook that we had laid out previously.

Mark Miller
Senior Equity Analyst, The Benchmark Company

Okay. The eval tools specifically, what are they for? What applications?

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

They're for laser annealing. Think the next and the N+2 on the roadmap for leading logic. We also-

A new technology in laser annealing that we are going to be putting out into the field in the coming periods here. We also have a ion beam deposition system for low resistance metals into semi for both memory and logic applications that we expect to put into the field in 2023.

Mark Miller
Senior Equity Analyst, The Benchmark Company

Thank you.

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

Thank you, Mark.

Operator

Again, a reminder to everyone, if you have any questions, please press star one. We will take the next question from David Duley from Steelhead. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

David Duley
Managing Principal, Steelhead Securities LLC

Yes. Could you just elaborate a little bit more on the big increase in deposits that you mentioned? Why, you know, why is it all of a sudden that you're seeing that?

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

Sure, David, good question. You know, we've seen strong activity during the quarter in areas where we collect customer deposits, so thinking some of the longer lead time pieces of the business. You know, we collect deposits on many of our orders, but not on all customers and all technology types. The increase in the customer deposits reflect a strong data storage orders and laser annealing, you know, orders from China. We mentioned in our prepared remarks as well, that we actually have instances where we received orders with deposits for some items scheduled to ship in 2024 as well.

David Duley
Managing Principal, Steelhead Securities LLC

Okay. Just along these lines, did you and I didn't see, I'm sorry, I haven't gone through all the slides. Did you mention what the backlog was? You mentioned your backlog's at very strong and but I was just curious if you could give us the number.

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

Yeah. David, we only report backlog annually once a year at the, you know, end of the year. Yeah, you didn't miss that. We don't provide a quarterly bookings or a backlog number. We haven't done that for a number of periods now.

David Duley
Managing Principal, Steelhead Securities LLC

Okay. Maybe even though you haven't given us the actual number, what percentage of the backlog is shippable in 2023?

John Kiernan
CFO, Veeco Instruments

We wouldn't record, you know, into backlog any shipments that we don't expect to occur in the next 12-month period. When we get to the end of the year, and we do report our backlog, you'll see a statement in there that it would relate to only items that we expect to ship in the coming 12 months.

David Duley
Managing Principal, Steelhead Securities LLC

Okay. Bill, I was wondering if you might take a shot at, you know, I think you mentioned, as many other equipment companies have talked about, you know, WFE kind of being down, let's say 20 or 22%. I was wondering if you might be able to take a guess at what your semi business is or your overall revenue might be versus that expectation.

Bill Miller
CEO, Veeco Instruments

Yeah. I would say, you know, a lot of the drop that we're seeing forecast down at 20% kind of number is kind of more concentrated on the memory side. We're much less susceptible to memory because our semi business is really focused today on logic. It seems that logic is holding up well with particular strength in China for trailing node applications. All right, as we mentioned in our prepared remarks, advanced packaging is showing signs of weakness across the board from foundries, IDMs, and OSATs. We think this is really driven by weakness in mobile and consumer applications.

The third leg of our semi stool is EUV, and we see that to be continuing along at what we've said historically, three-five systems per year in 2023. I know that gives you a little more color.

David Duley
Managing Principal, Steelhead Securities LLC

Okay. Thank you. I guess final question from me is I'm assuming, as you mentioned, a lot of the orders that you're getting are in the hard disk drive business. Would you guess that your HDD business is up in calendar 2023, or is it really for the back half of 2023? When do you think the inflection point happens for the disk drive revenue?

Bill Miller
CEO, Veeco Instruments

Yeah. I would say given our long lead times in having orders kind of start, you know, in the second quarter and then into the third quarter here. We believe our data storage business will be up next year over this year, and it will likely be more concentrated in the second half of the year, just given the lead times.

David Duley
Managing Principal, Steelhead Securities LLC

Okay. Thank you.

Bill Miller
CEO, Veeco Instruments

Thanks, David.

Operator

We will take the next question from Gus Richard from Northland. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Gus Richard
Senior Research Analyst, Northland Capital Markets

Yes, thanks for taking the questions. Just on the advanced packaging, is the litho weakness primarily fan-out, or is it copper pillar? You know, is there any color you can provide there?

Bill Miller
CEO, Veeco Instruments

It's actually pretty broad in terms of. It's very hard for us to tell exactly what's for fan-out for mobile versus copper pillar. I would say, generally, mobile market is weak, which is a lot of fan-out packaging. You know, we are seeing it continue to be soft, I'd say.

Gus Richard
Senior Research Analyst, Northland Capital Markets

Okay. Fair enough. Just you mentioned, you know, you're working on a MicroLED red application. Could you remind me which one is got the most traction? Is it on silicon or is it gallium arsenide?

Bill Miller
CEO, Veeco Instruments

This particular one was on gallium arsenide, arsenic phosphide, red kind of traditional MicroLED approach. It's really tied to the luxury TV market inflection. We still continue to make progress with our customer with the innovative approach with 200- and now 300-millimeter GaN on silicon approach to MicroLEDs. You know, they're getting great performance, and they're targeting the inflection of the luxury TV market as well.

Gus Richard
Senior Research Analyst, Northland Capital Markets

Okay. I understand. Oh, okay. I think that's it for me. Thanks so much. Oh, I'm sorry.

Bill Miller
CEO, Veeco Instruments

Thanks a lot, guys.

Gus Richard
Senior Research Analyst, Northland Capital Markets

Again, power. Sorry, I forgot one. Power transistor. You've been in eval for a long time in that 8-inch GaN for power, and I'm just wondering, are you getting close to conclusion?

Bill Miller
CEO, Veeco Instruments

We are making a lot of progress there on this six-inch to eight-inch transition. We're getting good results from the equipment set. We are working on some modifications and upgrades, if you will. We expect this eval to continue into 2023. If successful, I would be looking forward to volume GaN on silicon power electronics in 2024.

Gus Richard
Senior Research Analyst, Northland Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks so much.

Bill Miller
CEO, Veeco Instruments

Thank you, guys.

Operator

It appears that there is no further question at this time. Mr. Bencivenga , I would like to turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Bill Miller
CEO, Veeco Instruments

Yes, thank you, operator, and to all joining us on today's call. I understand it may be a bit foggy out here in the near term, but I would like to reiterate that Veeco is well positioned to execute our long-term growth strategy as market conditions improve. Have a great evening. Thank you all.

Operator

That concludes today's event. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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