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Bank of America Merrill Lynch 2019 Insurance Conference

Feb 14, 2019

Moderator

Voya Financial. I am pleased to introduce Rodney Martin, Voya's CEO, and Michael Smith, Chief Financial Officer. Rod joined Voya in 2011 and is really the architect of the dramatic and positive changes that have occurred at Voya over the past eight years. Rod has more than 40 years of experience in the industry. Mike became CFO in November of 2016 and held several other leadership roles prior to his current position, including CEO of the Insurance Solutions segment and Chief Risk Officer. He's been with the company about a decade. That fair? Rod, I want to just open up with maybe an open-ended question just to give you a chance to set the stage. Reflect a bit on 2018 and maybe the accomplishments you guys had, and then look at your priorities for 2019.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Sure. I think 2018 in many ways was an absolutely pivotal year in a number of ways. Primarily, we completed the portfolio rationalization that we had been doing and analyzing and reviewing and discussing for some period of time. As you well know, our story in the beginning was an ROE improvement story and a capital return story. We had a closed block variable annuity business. Mike and I and the management team and the board made the decision and announced the transaction with Apollo and Athene. Then the subsequent, the last kind of portfolio piece that we decided was a discontinuance of new life sales, and we're retaining that block and running that. Those were really, I think, the key pieces of kind of what we've called internally phase two of our plan.

We just introduced in the quarter after the third quarter earnings call, our 2019, 2020, and 2021 plan, is fundamentally built around, as I think most of you would well be aware, our workplace focus with our retirement and our asset management business and our employee benefits business. We're excited about our workplace and financial institution focus, it's a streamlined portfolio. We announced three things on that investor day. We just reaffirmed with our fourth quarter call, that was our organic growth, our expense reduction associated with the portfolio decisions, and our capital management. We guided to 10+% EPS growth rate for 2019, 2020, and 2021. We just reaffirmed that guidance on our fourth quarter call, I'll pause there.

Moderator

That's fair. In fact, I want to take a step even further back.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Okay.

Moderator

This is going to sound a bit like a softball question, but I think it's actually pretty important, and that is culture. When you took over Voya, this company had a very different culture than it has today. I would argue it's a very challenging task to change a culture. I wanted to ask you, how did you go about it?

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

It's a huge task, and I would also say it's a tremendous opportunity. In a lot of ways, and we haven't talked as much externally about this, there wasn't really a need to talk about it as much externally, we really treated it as kind of a 6,000-person startup company, and we did the things that you would expect companies to do right away with a new management team. We did an analysis of the businesses we were in, the distribution platforms we were in, the products we were in, all of that analytic kind of things. We looked at vision and values. We didn't throw everything out, but we on the edges made some improvements. This was the piece that we really focused on, and that was to get a different outcome, we knew we needed to change the culture.

In fairness, ING Group was focused pre-financial crisis largely on top-line sales, as were many other companies, including my former company. Until the music stopped in the financial crisis, that worked for everyone, until it didn't. We knew we needed to focus on ROE improvement, capital return, and just solid recurring business results, and that's what we went about. What we introduced internally was a program that we call continuous improvement. Think about it as problem-solving. A lot of you might recognize it as Lean management. On top of that, starting with our board and our senior management team, we also saw this as the fresh piece of paper, the opportunity to really think about things differently. ING Group owned 100% of the company. As they sold off their interest, we could appoint directors, we could start to put kind of our thumbprint on the company.

It was a very conscious decision by Mike and I and the team and our lead director to, by way of example, start with our board focused on diversity and inclusion. We went from zero diversity to half of our board are women. Three of our five committee chairs of our board are women. Cascaded that down into the first and second level of the organization. Now half of our business leaders are women. This has been a conscious choice, and we're not just doing it because it's the right thing to do. We're doing it because there's tons of evidence that supports doing that. You see that reflected. Another thing, we were born out of the financial crisis and focused on being recognized as an ethical company mattered. We've qualified for all years we've been eligible, which is the five years.

We will know shortly for the most current year by the Ethisphere Institute. Last year, they recognized 130 companies globally as the world's most ethical companies. There's only five financial services companies. That was very important to us. The diversity and inclusion piece was important to us. Voya Cares was another initiative that we actually introduced at the Investor Day. You might say, "That's interesting, but we want to be recognized as America's retirement company." One in five families in the U.S. have someone with a special need or disability or are supporting someone. Our ambition is to be America's retirement company, it just became very self-evident to us that we got to support all Americans, not just the four of the five families that aren't impacted by that. It started as a very grassroots effort. It's really taken traction.

It's something our employees are very drawn to and proud of. In fact, Charlie mentioned at Investor Day that 20% of the business that we garnered last year was in some way influenced by that program. That could be at a sponsor level, it could be at an advisor level, it could be at a consultant level, and we think that matters. Just this week, and I'll stop, we were recognized by Barron's as the leading financial institution on sustainability. All of those roads intersect. It was deliberate in our thinking when we began this journey a little over five and a half years ago as a public company, we're very proud of the outcome.

Moderator

I think when investors think about ethical companies, they probably don't focus that much on that topic, right? Where they want to work, that's very important. I think in terms of retaining employees, that has to be an important factor.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Well, I think it's critically important in retaining employees, right? It's critically important to the people with whom we're doing business. It's not just the consultants, although they're an important constituent. It's the consultants, the advisors, those companies, but the participant, people like you and me. You're going to choose to do business with a company or not based on how you feel about that company and what their track record is. We're in the long-term promise keeping business, I think the intersection of Ethisphere, the Barron's piece, the diversity and inclusion, these are contributing factors to the sustainability of what we are building.

Moderator

You had mentioned retirement. 2018, you could say, was a pretty tough year for that business. You guys did pretty well, though. What distinguished Voya's efforts there in that tough environment?

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

I'll start, Mike jump in. We had a record year last year, record earnings in retirement. Our ROC in that business is top quartile at this point. One of the beautiful parts about our platform is we serve what we call market to market. We're in the small, mid-market space. We're in the large corporate. We're in the K-12 on the tax-exempt, the higher ed and the government space. Particularly when there are markets that have a little more volatility, I think the strength of our platform will reveal itself as being more resilient. Mike can take it from there in terms of the size and scale of it.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah. A couple of things to point out. First of all, strong net flows in that segment. The fourth quarter was our 21st consecutive quarter of positive net flows in the small to mid-corporate segment. 21 quarters, five years of that consistent growth in that segment that's contributing to the record earnings. That market-to-market bleeds over into the mix of our revenues as well because we're not, in the fourth quarter you saw this, we're not so heavily dependent on and/or subject to the movements in the equity market. A significant amount of our fees comes from pure record keeping. Those aren't affected by equity market levels as well as a fixed account spread-based business, which is a substantial portion of our overall revenue, too.

We certainly saw some impact of the equity markets in the quarter, but I think less than other peers, and you saw that in the fourth quarter results.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Jay, you'll see that in 2019, we anticipate over $10 billion of recurring deposits. These numbers are large, and it's hard sometimes to get people's minds around what does that look like? Well, it looks like the school teacher and the policeman and the fireman and just everyday Americans that are putting away $500 a month, $700 a month for their retirement, this is very sticky business. This is not being moved based on what CNBC says that morning on what happens around the world or frankly, domestically. This is a very predictable, recurring business. It's one of their preeminent needs, and they're very focused on it.

Moderator

I guess looking forward in this business, if you look at some of the fundamental headwinds you're facing, what would your list look like?

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

We, like the industry, are facing. We're often asked, it's a fair question, is there margin pressure? Yes, but it's not new. It's not news the entire time we've been a public company, yet we've found a way to expand that over that period of time. We've been very disciplined by way of example on expense management. If you look at our operating expenses since we've been a public company, they're fundamentally flat, and we've grown the company substantially over that period of time. We announced that by June of 2019, associated with the Apollo and Athene transaction, that we'd take out $110 million-$130 million. We're on schedule for that. We just gave an update on the fourth quarter earnings call.

When we announced in mid-year of last year on the life insurance decision, the stopping of new sales, add another $20 million by the end of 2019. At our Investor Day, for those of you that were there, we announced add another $100 million by the end of 2020. Think about that as $230 million-$250 million. We have a very detailed plan. I am highly confident in our ability to accomplish that, it's one of the three legs of the organic growth expense management and capital return story. I mentioned earlier we returned $5 billion of capital to shareholders, 46% of our outstanding shares. We had a strong share buyback in the fourth quarter. We announced an ASR in the first quarter. That story is continuing.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

I think there's a lot more reason to feel good about the retirement business than there are to be worried about.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Yeah. We're bullish.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

People are under-saved. There's talk in the public policy arena of changes to further facilitate retirement dates. The consolidation of the industry. Over 10 years ago, the top 10 players had 50% of the assets. Now they're at 75% of the assets. We've been in the top 10, and we're gaining share not only from the top 10 competitors, but also from those that are smaller. You got 50 players fighting for 25% of the AUM. That's not happening because companies are being brought together. That's happening because customers are voting with their feet, and they're looking for the big players, the ones that are going to be able to provide the top capabilities. We think we're one of them, and we're pretty bullish on where the retirement business is going. Yes, there's fee pressure. The world is competitive. It's always been competitive. It will always be competitive.

We found ways to make it work. We think we'll be able to continue to do that.

Moderator

When I was studying the industry over the past couple of years, I was a little surprised that there wasn't more consolidation given the pressure in that business. Do you think consolidation continues, and could Voya play a role in that?

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Yes, on two fronts. I think you're asking it more on the M&A side. I'll come to that. Just to point Mike's making, the 50% of the AUM in the 401 space grew to 75%. We grew nicely in that period of time. The bottom 50 players are fighting over the 25%. I think you're going to continue to see that happening absent M&A. The companies are choosing who are the players organically that are going to be here, are sustainable, are companies they want to do business with. There's going to be, I think, a half a dozen players, and Voya is squarely in that group. They're going to be the net winners of that. Are there going to be blocks of business or opportunities to buy books? Yes, there have been and are.

We answered at Investor Day, and I think Mike did a very clear job. We would look at that, it would have to meet the threshold or the financial hurdle of we view that as a better use of our excess capital than buying back our shares because we're gaining share organically without it. Would we consider it? Yes. Is it mandatory to hit the plan? The plan we introduced is based on fully organic growth, and we're highly confident about our ability to do so.

Moderator

There's sort of a natural concentration occurring anyway.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Correct.

Moderator

Yeah. I guess the other business, the other big business for you that is facing structural pressures is the investment management business. Talk about how Voya is positioned in this business given some of these pressures.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

We've got a bit of a differentiated and unique story in a couple of different ways. We've got four or five specialty sleeves that have done well, and Christine outlined those again at Investor Day. We started in addition to that, four or five years ago, I guess, at this point in time, we got tremendous fixed income results, top decile results. We started marketing these capabilities to other insurance companies. We've gone from zero to about $4 billion. We're doing business with 15-plus different insurance companies today. We've expanded our distribution capabilities beyond the U.S. with these existing specialty strategies and fixed income solutions. Part of that was an extension of the natural relationship we had with NN out of the ING Group.

Part of that is other geographies looking for results like we have and view that primarily as Japan and Asia, and we see an ability to continue that. Is there pressure there? There are. We had the 12th consecutive quarter of institutional positive flows in the most recent quarter, a little different than the industry. Again, we are very targeted and focused on what we're doing, we're not trying to be all things to all people, probably that's a difference, too.

Moderator

With both retirement and investment management, Voya clearly has ample scale. You're a big player in both. I guess if you look at your other businesses, let's look at the group business, the advantages business, less obvious that you have scale there. How important is scale in that business, one? Could it make sense at some point for you to grow this business in an inorganic way? Got to be bigger there.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Well, I'll start on the scale question. I think in the stop-loss business , we have scale, and we're a top five player. I think we get a look at every piece of business that we ought to get a look at. Scale is important. It's more about expertise. It's a fairly concentrated set of players, and we're viewed as a key part of that market. I think we're well-positioned there. Voluntary is a source of a lot of growth for us. The premiums, I think over the last couple of years have grown at a CAGR of over 20%, which is faster than the market. Scale matters in the sense of having access to distribution. One of the key things we've been able to leverage is our position in stop-loss has allowed us to take advantage of relationships we have with the key players in voluntary distribution.

We have also a meaningful group life business. We've been able to leverage that relationship as well. Scale is, you certainly have to have an efficient platform, but it's less important from a cost perspective than it is from a distribution perspective. I think you've seen us move forward in those markets because of our ability to leverage our position, frankly, starting with stop-loss and then gaining from there. In terms of inorganic, Rod, do you want to-

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

No, again, I put it in the same category of would we consider it? Yes. Do we think it's essential for our focus areas? No. I said this at Investor Day, and we put the responsibility of this on our shoulders, but I think one of the more underappreciated assets of our portfolio is our group benefit business. If you look at the returns, it's our highest returning business. We've grown it nicely. We really understand the lane that we're in, and we're not trying to be all things to all people. If you look at the last four or five, to your point of M&A, commercial transactions, and what has been paid for those transactions, I think the company that has acquired them, they seemingly have done well. It's continued to grow their company.

If you applied that multiple to our business, I don't think it's reflected in our aggregate value right now. I put that on our shoulders to better tell that story to you and consistently show results. I don't think it's reflected, and we're not trying to be all things to all people. That's a common mistake a lot of companies make. We don't need to be in every product or every idea that some distributor kind of invents that day. We understand our space. I think we're doing it well. The growth in the voluntary, and frankly, this started largely when Mike had that business responsibility. It's been among the best stories in the last four or five years in the industry, and we see that expanding nicely as a perfect complement to our stop-loss business.

Moderator

Let's focus on voluntary for a second. You hear a lot of companies wanting to grow and growing in that business. What are Voya's competitive advantages in that business that allows you to continue to grow the way you have been?

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

I think one is our focus on the market research. We play in the 500 and up space deliberately. That's where we play well in stop-loss, and it's just been an extension of that. Mike mentioned each one of these businesses has a different set of consultants and advisors that we do business with. A lot of them, like Voya and other companies, are trying to be more focused on having, I'll use Voya as an example, but a one Voya approach, but a one whatever consulting firm name approach in approaching the market.

I said it at Investor Day, but if someone has made the decision and gone through the diligence of choosing to do business with Voya with an employee benefit array of products, why wouldn't they consider doing business with us if and when they decide to put a 401 plan in or the reverse of that? In terms of the direct answer to your question, I think it's we have what we think is an appropriate array of products, but not every product. We're not confused by we need three times as many products. We have the products that we need. We've got deep relationships, and we're staying in our lane, and we're doing well.

Moderator

The last session, I didn't leave any time for Q&A from the audience, and people let me know that that was unacceptable. I am opening it up now at least for some questions from the audience. If you have a question, just raise your hand and wait for a mic if you can, because it's being webcast. Of course, there's no questions. If you have a question, just pop your hand up. I'll try to keep an eye out there. I'd love to hear from you. Expenses. You talk a lot about the expense reductions and the efficiency gains. I think most people perceive it as just cutting. It seems you've also changed the way you fundamentally do business rather than just cutting expenses. Can you discuss some of these changes?

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Sorry, I'll let Mike pick up from here, Jay, the observation is critically important. This is way more than just expense cutting. Expense cutting, all companies have to pay attention to that, particularly in an environment that we're in. This thesis of continuous improvement, maybe said better, problem-solving. How do we push the problem-solving at the right level in the organization, the people closest to the customer, the closest distributor, the closest to wherever that problem is emerging, and have enough confidence in our people and the tools that we're using to allow them to make those decisions? We've rolled this out. We're completely through the company at this point in time, this is something we started virtually when we went public. It was our view of how we were going to change the culture. That's a large operating budget.

Let's not assume that every dollar we're spending is spent in the most efficient way, let's challenge those things. Part of the reason our pure operating expenses have been flat for that entire period of time has been this philosophy. The expenses associated with portfolio rebalancing is expense reduction associated with those businesses left, you got to cut those expenses. At the same time, we're investing in our business. We've got two things that are happening with high velocity right now. Accomplishing those expense-cutting objectives that we've laid out for you, I'm highly confident of that. We're also investing substantially in our business. We announced two investor days ago. Think about the June of 2015 investor day, a $350 million strategic investment program in digital and data and analytics. That's run its course in 2016, 2017, and 2018.

We finished that. The run rate expenses are now built back into the business. We are investing in our retirement business. We're investing in our Investment Management business. You see that in the P&L of the business right now. At the same time, we're reducing these expenses, I think the critical part for our internal folks is that they understand both things are happening. We're stepping on the gas on these investments as well as efficiently moving through the expense reduction.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Feel free to round that out.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Maybe just to give a little color on how we approach these expense reductions, because I think that's illuminating. There's an easy way to go at expense cuts, which is, okay, I need to cut X, I spend Y. X divided by Y. Okay, everyone go get that percentage cut. Don't care how, just get it. We haven't taken that approach. In this most recent round, where we're looking for this additional $100+ million of expense reductions that we talked about, we actually did what I'd call a grassroots search for, what are the things that we should do as a team, as a collective company, to remove waste from the way we conduct our business? What are the things that we could do better? We literally brought hundreds of people together around the organization, generated hundreds of ideas, evaluated them, found the overlap, consolidated.

In order to achieve the goals that we set forward, we've got a very clear, with quarterly deliverables laid out, plan set that will deliver the savings that we talked about. It's not a top-down, thou shalt cut. It's a bottom-up, what are the things we can do better? I think to where you started the question, Jay, we've taken more of an efficiency approach, too, and a customer-focused approach. How can we better deliver to customers while doing it less costly? I think that's what's allowed us to operate at flat expenses and still grow. It's a little discordant for our staff to hear that we're cutting while we're growing, but I think they're getting it, and I think we'll continue to make progress there.

Moderator

It doesn't affect morale when they're hearing about cost cuts?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

It's a management issue. I think we've successfully navigated it, and we've been making reductions for the last couple of years, and you still see the growth in flows.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Let me spend a minute on morale. You're asking a really good question. I joined in April of 2011. We started the work that summer on the plan that we introduced when we went public, which was largely what morphed into what you all would recognize as the ROE improvement story and the capital return story. What we also did in the summer of 2012 is a baseline of third-party Organizational Health Index. As you might expect, from the financial crisis to then, ING U.S. was told, "You're going to be sold. You're not going to be sold. You're going to be listed. You're not going to be listed." So morale was about as low as you might expect. We brought a third party in to do this. We knew exactly the results were going to be awful, but I wanted a baseline to measure how are we improving.

Two years later, we went back. We went from bottom quartile in the Organizational Health Index to top quartile. Two years later, just this summer, we did it again on top of and right in the headwind of the Apollo transaction and the life insurance decision. We maintained the top quartile performance in terms of the health index. Lots of other little indicators. I talked about the diversity and inclusion piece, the Voya Cares piece. One of the things we're really proud about is one of the benefits that was there when we got there, we just amplified it, is our engagement, like many of your firms have with your employees in charitable activities. We really index on this. Our employees give at a rate two and a half times the financial services average. We don't make them do that.

This is their choice, and I think it's a reflection of people don't do that with their time and money if they're not happy where they are, whatever firm it may be. I'm using Voya as an example. So I think this focus on the culture we wanted to build, the clarity and transparency of what we're trying to do, and a third party coming in, we know what bad looked like, and we know what good looks like, and we know what the difference is, and we went from bottom quartile to top, and we maintained that when we did the most recent one. Again, that's what gives us confidence as we push forward.

Moderator

Any questions from the audience? Alan?

Speaker 4

I guess, as outsiders, we can't see what you didn't do, but when a company has as much capital as you do, are there certain bankers have shown you that you might say industries or things that you're just not interested in, that you have shopped? Are there any comments you can give us on that aspect?

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

In terms of bankers' ideas of what Voya.

Speaker 4

Yeah, for you.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Bankers have lots of ideas of what Voya.

Speaker 4

Yeah.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

That's like asking them not to breathe. Of course, they're going to have ideas. We're very bullish about Voya on the path that we're on. Is there speculation or has there been speculation, or do bankers have ideas? Endlessly. Of course, look, we listen to a lot of people. We're very focused on the strategy that we introduced and the direction we're executing right now.

Moderator

Any other questions? Why don't we end it here then? Rod, Mike, thank you very much.

Rodney Martin
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Thank you all.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Thank you.

Moderator

Appreciate it. Thank you.