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Bank of America Merrill Lynch 2018 Insurance Conference

Feb 15, 2018

Moderator

Next, I'm pleased to introduce Mike Smith , Chief Financial Officer of Voya. Mike became CFO in 2016 in November. He's held several other leadership roles prior to his current position, including CEO of the Insurance Solutions segment, Chief Risk Officer. Additionally, Mike had also had oversight of the legacy variable annuity business, so you got rid of a hat. That's why you did the deal, right? You wanted less responsibility.

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Less hat.

Moderator

I'm sure we'll get into some of that detail today and obviously the good 2017 results. Mike?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I'm just going to have a few minutes of opening comments, then we'll go right to Q&A. Maybe start with just a quick recap of what's transpired over the last couple of months, where we announced what we view as a transformative transaction for Voya, with the planned sale in the second or third quarter closing of our VA and annuities business. We think that positions us as a simpler, growth-oriented, capital-light in businesses with strong returns. We think that story is one that we can deliver significant shareholder returns, we can deliver significant customer value, and significant growth. We're really excited about where we're going in the next several years. The new Voya, ex these businesses, has significant cash flow generation of $600 million-$700 million per year.

Most of our operating earnings come from high return, high growth businesses, Retirement, Investment Management, and Employee Benefits. Over the last five years, we've seen our assets under management grow in both our Retirement and Investment Management. Retirement's grown 9% since 2012 on an annualized basis. Investment Management has grown 10%. Our Employee Benefits premiums have grown around 8%. We're on a significant amount of growth looking backwards, and we think we can only go better and stronger from here. We have a number of new offerings in the Investment Management space, CLOs. We've got significant flows coming in the Retirement business. In our small to mid segment, we've had, I think, 17 consecutive quarters of positive net flows. In Employee Benefits, we're doing quite well in the voluntary space with significant growth and strong performance there.

The quarter, we had just had our call yesterday, some of you were maybe busy with the conference here, just a couple of key items from the quarter. We announced operating earnings of $0.87 after our alternative prepays in excess of expectations that sort of normalized to $0.81. That compares to a year ago quarter of $0.52. Those numbers are different from what we've reported in the past because we've moved our annuities and CBVA blocks to discontinued operations. Right? That also produced some GAAP effects as well. We had record deposits in Retirement. We had double-digit AUM growth for both Retirement and Investment Management. We have a strong balance sheet. We have done, since IPO, $3.8 billion of share repurchases. Our excess capital, as reported yesterday, is $738 million. Our RBC ratio is 476%.

Deferred tax assets present value, we update that every year, is $1.4 billion. We have a significant deferred tax asset stemming from largely the variable annuity business through the crisis. Even in the face of tax reform, the present value of our deferred tax assets only went down from $1.6 billion to $1.4 billion. While the tax rate reduction would have otherwise significantly reduced it, there were some offsets in the form of changes in the alternative minimum tax rules, as well as accelerated tax learning with the elimination of expected losses from the VA business in particular. As I look forward, I am encouraged by the track record of the management team. At IPO, we started out with an ambition to achieve a 12% return on our ongoing businesses from where we were, which was south of eight. We did that two years early.

We, in 2015, announced a further ROE improvement to get to 13.5%-14.5% by 2018. We achieved over 16% in 2017. We have a significant amount of work ahead to close the transaction, we are confident that it will close. We have a number of actions. We're certainly working diligently to make sure that happens. We're working closely with the regulators to get approval from them, we're working on getting the new company stood up. We're also focused on growth, we're not going to get distracted from the fundamental growth story that we have in Retirement, Investment Management, Employee Benefits. Those folks are largely walled off and separate from all the effort that's going on to close the deal. I think we've got great prospects ahead for them as well.

Finally, I'll just close with the way we're thinking about the company going forward post the transaction in the form of our target EPS. What we guided to yesterday is we expect by the middle of 2019 to be in a range of $1.30-$1.40 quarterly earnings per share. That would be basically 12 months post-close. That's how we're focusing our efforts going forward in terms of removing stranded costs, growing the business, and improving our overall EPS. With that, I'll open the floor to questions.

Moderator

I dominated the conversation with Matt, I apologize. If you do have questions, raise your hand. We've got one in the back there.

Speaker 3

Yeah. Hi. You said that you have a strong balance sheet. It seems that leverage is a little bit elevated relative to peers. Could you tell us the plan in terms of capital allocation? Maybe touch on if you're comfortable with that level or are you going to take it down over time, but maybe give us a three-year view?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

As part of the transaction, we announced changes to a couple of key capital measures. We think of three things. First, our RBC target of 425. That did not change. Second, our holding company liquidity. At IPO, we set a very conservative level of liquidity holdings of two years worth of holding company expenses, which is a little over $400 million at the time. We lowered that to 12 months of liquidity requirement. The third change was we increased our target leverage ratio from 25%-30%. Both of those changes were made because we feel like the new business mix going forward allows us more flexibility. CBVA, in particular, the closed block, created a high degree of uncertainty and certainly at IPO, a lot of uncertainty.

I think we did a lot of work to ease that, but there was still a degree of volatility that could come with it. Setting that's the framework. I think looking forward, our intention right now is to manage to the 30% debt-to-capital ratio that we set as a target. We may fluctuate under that from time to time, but that's where we intend to stay.

Moderator

Where was the ratio at year-end?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Pro forma for the activity that happened at the end of the year, we did a hybrid offering a few weeks ago, and we've got some maturities coming up in the next week or so. Pro forma was at 29.9.

Moderator

On the transaction, what are the risks that it doesn't close?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

First and foremost, we need regulatory approval from the key regulators. A couple of states, Iowa in particular, which is the domiciliary regulator of the company that's for sale and that's going to be sold. Arizona, which is the owner of the captives that are involved. There are other approvals as well. Like I said, that's the primary one. First of all, we, Voya, have, I think, a very strong and positive relationship with the Iowa regulator. We had really good conversations with them and with the folks from Apollo and Athene as we were preparing to announce the transaction. I think we've gotten nothing but positive feedback from them as well. We're on the right track as it relates to regulatory. We are committed to delivering with the VA business assets at a level of CTE95.

That is the measure that we have been targeting with our hedging for the last several years. We need to continue to have hedge performance consistent with what we've seen for a while. We're pretty confident that will continue. To the extent that there is breakage on either side, there are limits within the agreement that could be triggered and one side or the other would have the ability to walk away. The reality is this was a win for all the parties involved. Certainly, it was perceived that way on announcement. All parties' stocks reacted favorably, and I think it's in all of our interests to try and close the deal as efficiently and quickly as possible. I'm comfortable that we're well on track to achieving all that.

Moderator

You mentioned your hedges. Obviously, we've had a lot of volatility in financial markets. Can you give us a sense of how your hedges have performed?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Maybe the easiest way to say it is we've been through worse with the same hedge program, right? Yes, it's been choppy, the strategies employed and the methods that we've used have been well tested. Nothing has changed appreciably other than reacting to just the change in the environment, right? We aren't making bets. We've got a very disciplined process, where we insulate ourselves from market movements as it relates to the movements in CTE95. We're comfortable that's continuing to perform. Nothing unprecedented in the last couple of weeks, that's for sure.

Moderator

I'm definitely not an expert on hedging, does the volatility potentially increase the cost of your hedging program?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah, because there is rebalancing cost, the more churn that you have, that creates some additional cost. We also have put in positions to help offset that. There's a question in the back. Yeah.

Speaker 3

Pro forma for closing of the deal, how would you characterize your equity exposure, your volatility to stock market-

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Right

Speaker 3

and interest rates?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah. Maybe the best way to give the guidance on equities is pre-tax, but after deferred acquisition costs or after DAC, our sensitivity to equity market movements is $4 million in earnings per 1% change in the S&P. From an interest rate perspective, it's a little harder to give good guidance because it happens over time. I mean, the way that interest rates affect our earnings are on the basis of how it influences the portfolio yield. The recent increase in rates with spreads largely staying the same will slow the rate of deterioration relative to where we had been because we're putting money to work at a higher rate, and it's replacing assets that are leaving, say, at the portfolio rate with a somewhat higher level. That degree of drag will be less than it's been in the past if rates persist.

I don't have a particular guidance to give you with a X% change in interest rates causes earnings. It's not that simple.

Speaker 3

Thanks.

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

The rates.

Speaker 3

Just curious, on the deal on the fixed annuity book that you're selling and the move in the 10-year and by the time it closes, who knows where it'll be. Does that affect the price that ultimate will be paid?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Not directly, no. It'll influence to some extent through the CTE95 calculation. Interest rates do have an impact there as well as the hedging, but there's no direct mechanism in the price that will change with interest rates.

Moderator

Mike, post the sale, can you talk about your business mix as it evolves? Is there some sort of target out there?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah

Moderator

goal you're heading towards?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

The immediate goal is the earnings per share goal that I talked about earlier, of achieving $1.30-$1.40 by mid 2019, assuming the deal closes mid 2018. Beyond that, I think we're working toward an investor day in the back half of the year where I think we'll be able to articulate a clearer picture of exactly where we see ourselves heading. Broadly, we're going to be focusing on the Employee Benefits on Investment Management and Retirement. Those are all capital efficient growth opportunities for us with solid returns, in some cases, very high returns. You can expect us to emphasize growth there. In particular, trying to drive, I think, EPS growth is how we're going to be thinking of ourselves.

Moderator

The individual life business, I guess you're doing a strategic review. What are the things you're looking at as you drill down into that business?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

The reason for the strategic review is the direct consequence of the transaction, where in 2016 we combined the life and annuities business management teams to find cost efficiencies to leverage distribution practices and so on. With the exit of the annuities business, it's a logical time for us to ask, okay, does it continue to make sense to sell individual life products in these markets given the exit of that other piece? Also, the strategic fit that has and does it meet our focus on capital light, high return, high growth businesses, as well as benefits from diversification. There is a favorable RBC effect from having a life block. Rating agencies like the life business. We need to consider all of that as we think about do we continue to sell?

If we don't continue to sell, what do we do with the block? Do we sell parts of it? Do we run it off? Do we sell the whole thing? That's all got to be considered over the next few months. We were very focused in the end of 2017 on the VA business and the annuities business. We set aside the life decision for later when we could focus on it more, and we have a team doing that right now.

Moderator

On capital management. If you see a hand back there, let me know.

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

I will.

Moderator

On capital management, I think the market seems to be expecting a healthy amount of buybacks in 2018. Tactically, how do you accomplish that? Is it more than just buying in the open market?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

We've tended to favor using share repurchase agreements. I think you can expect us to continue to do that. We entered into a $500 million ASR at the end of last year shortly after we announced the transaction. That $500 million will close sometime in the first quarter. You can expect us to do more in the second quarter. Then that'll complete the $1 billion that we said we would do by the middle of 2018, and that's based on existing excess capital. Going forward after that, we'll take the proceeds from the transaction and use that for additional share repurchases, and that was estimated at $500 million back in December, and we're still at that number at this point in time. We have authorization for all of that from our board through 2018. We have $1 billion of remaining authorization available.

Moderator

I wanted to ask about the Investment Management business, which you guys have been growing nicely. Certainly, you hear about the pressures that this business is under, moving to passive management.

as an example. How is that business positioned now? You talked about some new products. Might be a chance for you to-

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Right

Moderator

talk a bit more about those.

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah. Look, I think the things that we're focused on and that we've delivered consistent performance in are things that are not readily ETF-able or not readily indexable. They're things like our senior loans team, like our mortgage structures, commercial real estate, and commercial mortgages. I think we have a lot of capabilities there that we can demonstrate strong performance and continue to get reasonable fee and margin accordingly.

Moderator

Other questions? I've got a couple more.

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

There's one more in back.

Moderator

Oh, good.

Speaker 3

Just to be I want to try to make sure I've got it straight. Do you consider your major competitors, well, I guess I'll maybe leave it open. Who would you consider your major competitors now?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Given the trade.

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah. It varies from market to market. I think that from a comp standpoint, if you're trying to think about who to compare us to, we like to talk about Principal and Ameriprise as two that we think are relatively consistent with us, Principal in particular. In each space, Stop Loss, for example, has a set of good competitors that is neither one of those, for example. In the Retirement space, Principal's certainly a competitor. Fidelity and Vanguard, TIAA, all of those are people we run into. We all know who all the investment folks are. Right?

Speaker 3

Just-

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Was there a question back there?

Speaker 3

Yeah. Over here. Just following up on the capital management. I know you've focused a lot on buybacks.

Do you plan to increase the dividend over time?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

I think, as we go forward, there will likely be a time where it makes sense to consider a change in the way we've approached dividends. That's not now. We're very focused on the repurchases that we've guided to. Through the balance of 2018, you shouldn't expect a change there. I do think when we get to Investor Day, we may very well have a better sense of where we want to go. We can give some maybe clearer articulation of where that happens. I think it's fair to think that at some point, we would want to increase the dividend from where we are now.

Moderator

I wanted to ask about the Retirement business. You're in a bunch of different segments.

Small, mid-size, large. Is there an area that you're focused on for growth in that business?

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Well, I think we're trying to grow all of them, and we think we have capabilities that span in a way that differentiates us from other competitors, where we have scale and capabilities in all of the major segments, from the very largest record keeping only, to very small corporate plans, to K through 12 403 plans, to higher ed and healthcare, and government. Right? We are trying to build on those capabilities to drive growth across. I think where we've seen the most more recently has been in the small to mid-corporate, where we've had positive net flows for, I think, the last 17 quarters in a row, and 24 out of the last 26 or something like that. We're seeing meaningful progress there. We're not emphasizing any one over the other. We're looking at opportunities to drive growth across the whole product line.

Moderator

As far as the cross-enterprise initiatives, life insurance, obviously separate. When you look at Retirement, Investment Management, Benefits, you've been trying to find more synergies, if you will.

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah.

Moderator

Give us an update on how that's going.

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

I think we're making good progress there. I think back to where we were five or six years ago, there were high walls built between some of our businesses, and we've broken them down gradually over time. Now to the point where our proprietary target date funds are, I believe, offered in a majority of our new plans. Right? In the small to mid-corporate segment, for example. Making good progress there. A lot of, I think, distribution collaboration to find leads for other businesses. We've got a team whose job it is to actually manage our relationships across distribution and foster those kinds of interactions, and leverage our presence with key distribution partners. We didn't used to talk about if the Retirement rep was talking to one of our distribution partners, they wouldn't talk about what we had done on the investment side.

Now we talk about it in its totality, and it helps drive our position to a higher level on their platforms.

Moderator

Another hot topic, tax reform. The question we've been asking a lot of companies, how much of the benefit stays with shareholders or goes to customers? I know it might vary by business-

give us a sense of what you guys are thinking.

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

We haven't made any changes to our pricing so far. I think like with any business, we'll continue to monitor what our competitors do. We focus mainly on delivering value to customers, continuing to help them achieve the outcomes that they're looking for, and do that at a fair price and a fair return. How that'll evolve over time is unclear. There's a lot of business we have on the books that is priced and locked in and doesn't change some of the longer-term contracts. Others will evolve over time, and we'll react to the market and where the market goes. Hard to predict how that's going to emerge. Ultimately, we want to get a fair return, and we will.

Moderator

Great. Any other questions? I've exhausted mine. Mike, fantastic.

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Thank you.

Moderator

Thanks for spending time with us.

Mike Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Thank you.