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Earnings Call: Q1 2017

May 3, 2017

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Voya Financial first quarter 2017 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Participants are limited to one question and one follow-up. Please also note today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Darin Arita, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Darin Arita
SVP of Investor Relations, Voya Financial

Thank you, Rocco, good morning, everyone. Welcome to Voya Financial's first quarter 2017 conference call. A slide presentation for this call is available on our website at investors.voya.com or via the webcast. Turning to slide two. On today's call, we will be making forward-looking statements. Except with respect to historical information, statements made in this conference call constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws, including statements relating to trends in the company's operations and financial results and the business and the products of the company and its subsidiaries. Voya Financial's actual results may differ materially from the results anticipated in the forward-looking statements as a result of risks and uncertainties, including those from time to time in Voya Financial's filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Slide two also notes that the call today includes non-GAAP financial measures.

In particular, all references on this call to ROE, return on equity, ROC, return on capital, or other measures containing those terms are to ongoing business adjusted operating return on equity or return on capital as applicable, which are each non-GAAP financial measures. An explanation of how we calculate these and other non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in the press release and quarterly investor supplement available on our website at investors.voya.com. Joining me this morning on the call are Rod Martin, Voya Financial's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Alain Karaoglan, Voya Financial's Chief Operating Officer, and Mike Smith, Voya Financial's Chief Financial Officer. After their prepared remarks, we will take your questions.

Also here with us today to participate in the Q&A session are other senior members of management, Charlie Nelson, Chief Executive Officer of Retirement, and Carolyn Johnson, Chief Executive Officer of Annuities and Individual Life. With that, let's go to slide three, I will turn the call over to Rod.

Rodney O. Martin, Jr.
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Good morning. Let's begin on slide four with some key themes. 2017 is off to a very good start, as demonstrated by our ROE reaching a record 13.2% for the trailing 12 months ended March 31st. During the quarter, we continued to generate profitable growth. Retirement and investment management source net flows were positive. Annuities produced positive net flows in our more profitable fixed index and investment-only products, and we grew in-force premiums in our employee benefits. We're benefiting from expanded distribution, a strong product portfolio, and increased distribution productivity. Our returns also reflect our improved capital efficiency and prepayments and alternative investment income above our long-term expectations. We are continuing our efforts to simplify Voya, and as we announced in November, achieve at least $100 million in cost savings through 2018. Turning to our balance sheet. We concluded the quarter with $949 million of excess capital.

This was after repurchasing $247 million of our common stock and funding $150 million discounted share repurchase agreement during the first quarter. The most recent agreement closed early during the second quarter. Following all of this repurchase activity, we have $436 million remaining of our share repurchase authorization, and we plan to utilize this over the rest of the year. With respect to our closed block variable annuity segment, we continued to reduce risk and accelerate the runoff of the block. Total net outflows in the quarter were $2 billion, and this included a $1.2 billion related to our GMIB enhanced surrender value offer. Our hedge program also continued to effectively protect CBVA capital. Importantly, we reduced our exposure to interest rate risk by adjusting our hedge program following the rise in interest rates last November. Moving to slide five.

We reported operating earnings per diluted share of $0.81 for the first quarter. This includes $0.04 per share of positive DAC/VOBA unlocking. It also reflects $0.03 per share of prepayment fees and alternative income above our long-term expectations. There were also some favorable investment income items that offset unfavorable mortality in individual and group life. Overall, we are pleased with our performance, which included growth across our businesses. We are generating improved financial results. Our capital position remains strong, and we're confident we can achieve our 2018 financial targets and continue to create greater value for both our customers and our shareholders. I will now turn it over to Alain, who will give you more details on our progress.

Alain Karaoglan
COO, Voya Financial

Good morning. Let's go to slide seven. For the trailing 12 months ended March 31st, our return on equity and return on capital increased to 13.2% and 10.8%, respectively. Our results reflect the execution of our plans to grow earnings and improve capital efficiency. Our return on equity for the trailing 12 months also benefited from 49 basis points of prepayments and alternative investment income above our long-term expectations. We are pleased with the strong business performance we delivered during the first quarter. We continue to execute on our growth initiatives, on our strategic investment program, and our simplification and cost savings efforts to achieve our 2018 financial targets. On slide eight, we provide an update on our progress toward achieving our 2017 growth initiatives.

In Retirement, we continued our growth momentum in the first quarter compared with the soft first quarter 2016, small/mid corporate deposits grew by 46% to reach a new record as our investments in distribution are enabling us to identify more opportunities and new sales, particularly in the mid-corporate market. In tax-exempt, deposits grew 40% and reflect a large full-service mandate that funded during the first quarter. In Investment Management, we grew institutional sales as investment performance remained strong across our diverse range of fixed income and equity solutions. Within retail intermediary, demand was strong for Voya managed funds but was offset by a decline in sales of funds managed by third parties. Affiliate source sales growth was helped by continued selection of our target date fund offerings, reflecting the collaboration between Investment Management and Retirement.

In Annuities, fixed index annuity sales were solid during the quarter, but as we expected, they were lower compared to the first quarter of 2016, reflecting uncertainty over the Department of Labor fiduciary rule. Sales of investment-only products were up 24%, due in part to higher asset levels for rollovers compared with the first quarter of 2016. In Employee Benefits, in-force premiums were up 11%. Excluding the impact of rate increases, in-force premiums were up single digits. Looking more closely at each of our businesses, let's begin with Retirement on slide nine. Retirement's return on capital for the trailing 12-month ended March 31 was 9.3%, up from 8.8%. The increase was driven by higher fee-based income and prepayment fees and alternative investment income above our long-term expectations.

With broader broker-dealer relationships as well as expanded sales and service teams, we have increased proposal volume, we have improved sales force productivity, and increased sales. For the trailing 12-month ended March 31 compared with the prior 12-month period, small/mid corporate new plan sales have increased 24%, as we now have more advisors selling our plans, as well as more advisors returning to us to generate additional sales to more clients. We are seeing more advisor attracted to our retirement solutions, which are driving improved retirement outcomes for plan sponsors and for plan participants. Retirement also continues to collaborate with Investment Management to illustrate the compelling value proposition and competitive advantage Voya can bring to its customers.

As a result, 46% of the assets invested in target date funds in new small/mid corporate plans sold by Retirement during the 12-month ended March 31 were invested in Voya target date funds, compared with approximately 5% in the prior period. We also are benefiting from our scale in the marketplace as well as our focus on simplification. For example, first quarter 2017, average participants increased approximately by 5%, and unit cost decreased approximately 4% compared with the first quarter of 2016. Moving to slide 10. In Investment Management, the operating margin was 29.3%, up from 26.9% in 2016. The increase reflects improved investment capital results. Our strong investment performance drove our Investment Management source sale of $3.8 billion this quarter and has contributed to robust pipeline activity. During the first quarter, sales activity was notable in fixed income, particularly our senior bank loan offerings.

We also had strong sales in a broad range of public equity strategy and in private equity. We continued to win new mandates with insurance companies during the quarter by offering our specialty solutions, and many of these mandates will fund this year. We are continuing to focus on ways we can expand client solutions and recently launched two retail versions of a high dividend, low volatility equity strategies. These funds, which align with our approach to active asset management, are designed to deliver higher dividend income along with greater risk-adjusted returns and lower levels of volatility than the overall market. These new funds help round out our income-oriented solution products. In addition, the number of consultant buy ratings and recommended products increased across our investment platforms during the first quarter. Moving to slide 11.

The return on capital for annuities for the 12-month period ended March 31 was 10.6%, up from 9.8%. Like retirement, annuities benefited from prepayment fees and alternative investment income above our long-term expectations. The 24% year-over-year increase in deposits for investment-only products was a very strong result this quarter, and we are pleased with our level of fixed index annuity sales. We are also continuing to advance our growth strategy in annuities with an expanded range of products across a wider group of distributors. During the first quarter, we launched our Voya Journey Fixed Index Annuity, which has an innovative design that allows customers to enjoy the full growth potential of the index without fear of losing their original premium. This product was primarily designed for the bank and broker-dealer channels, and while it's early, we are seeing positive reactions from distributors.

At the same time, we continue to provide new digital tools to our distributors to support sales and service. Turning to slide 12. Individual Life's return on capital for the 12 month ended March 31 was 6.6%. This was unchanged from 2016 and reflects unfavorable mortality in the first quarter. During the first quarter, we took further actions to reduce capital usage, and this will provide approximately 20 basis points of additional return on capital improvement for Individual Life by the end of 2017. Combined with our other actions to improve capital efficiency, we are well positioned to achieve our 2018 return on capital targets for Individual Life. At the same time, we are advancing Individual Life's strategic focus on indexed life products, which provide higher returns and are less capital intensive. Compared with the first quarter of 2016, total indexed life sales increased 20% to $21 million.

Moving to slide 13. The return on capital for employee benefits for the 12 month ended March 31 was 21.6%, reflecting a higher loss ratio for stop-loss. We will remain disciplined with our underwriting, and we will continue to take pricing actions, including on renewals, to achieve our 2018 return on capital target for employee benefits. Voluntary sales were up over 50% in the first quarter of 2017, reflecting improved participation and a more than a 40% increase in enrollment rates compared with the same period in 2016. In summary, 2017 is off to a good start. Our commitment to execution will enable us to drive greater value to our customers, to our distributors, and to our shareholders. Now I will turn it over to Mike to go over our financial results. Mike?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Our first quarter results showed continued progress toward our 2018 targets with strong net flows in Retirement and Investment Management. The quarter included favorable investment income items that offset unfavorable Individual Life mortality and a seasonally higher loss ratio for Group Life. The recent adjustments to our hedging program and significant take-up rate on our enhanced surrender offer reduced our closed block variable annuity exposure. Our updated CBVA cash flow results were in line with our expectations. Finally, we returned capital to shareholders while maintaining a strong capital position. On slide 15, we modified the format to focus on potential adjustments to our first quarter results and key considerations for subsequent quarters. We wanted to help with modeling our financial results by consolidating information onto one page. Our expectations for 2017 and 2018 results have not changed from those we shared last quarter.

On the slide, we have highlighted the items affecting the investment spread, as alternative investment income was stronger than expected in the first quarter. We also benefited from other favorable variances, including an equity security distribution and security settlements. These items helped to offset softer underwriting income in Individual Life due to higher term life severity. Looking ahead to second quarter 2017, we expect a sequential decline in the underlying investment spread for our Retirement segment, primarily reflecting the impact of low new money rates. For Individual Life, our normalized full year expectation in 2017 for underwriting gains net of DAC and intangibles amortization would be $200 million. The normalized projection excludes $14 million in net unfavorable mortality we experienced in the first quarter and any favorable or unfavorable variances in mortality we might experience through the remainder of 2017.

On an annual basis, a one standard deviation variance in mortality experience would affect net underwriting gains in individual life by approximately $20 million in either direction. To further help explain our seasonality, expected underwriting gains typically are lower in the second and third quarters and higher in the first and fourth quarters due to the timing of premiums on our term blocks. In the second quarter, we expect $20 million-$30 million of investment spend related to our $350 million strategic investment program, and we also expect a sequential decline in seasonal expenses. Finally, we forecast GAAP capital for our ongoing businesses to be in the high $7 billion to low $8 billion range by the end of 2018. The change from prior expectations is largely attributable to stopping sales of pension risk transfer and term life.

We are primarily focused on improving our ROE via higher earnings and increased capital efficiency. As a result, the year-end GAAP capital expectation could continue to change. Turning to slide 16. Positive retirement net flows were supported by record quarterly corporate markets net inflows that benefited from strong transfer and recurring deposits and lower than expected surrenders. While the departure of the tax-exempt markets merger-related case discussed on our fourth quarter earnings call did occur, that outflow was partially offset by a sizable new tax-exempt markets client win. Turning to slide 17. Investment Management source net inflows were nearly $600 million during the quarter. These results were driven by continued client demand across a broad range of our products and solutions, including various fixed income and equity mandates, as well as private equity fund closings.

Variable annuity net outflows for the funds managed by Investment Management were $1.4 billion, which included $788 million related to the GMIB enhanced surrender offer. As shown on slide 18, our fixed index annuities produced positive net flows as the interest rate environment remained favorable. Our investment-only products also continued their streak of positive flows. Moving to slide 19. The loss ratio for group life was consistent with historically observed seasonality, and we expect subsequent quarters in 2017 to show significant improvement consistent with 2016. The loss ratio for stop-loss improved from 4Q16 and was modestly above our annual target range of 77%-80%. On slide 20. We've made several changes to this quarter's presentation to better portray how we currently manage our closed block variable annuity hedge program.

While our hedge program protects both regulatory and rating agency capital, currently the primary target is the rating agency CTE 95 level. Since our IPO, the rating agency requirement has generally been higher than the regulatory requirement. During the first quarter, the hedges continued to offset the changes in rating agency requirements as shown by the bar graph. We are showing the past five quarters to indicate the range of hedge performance for both the interest and equity hedge programs. If we were to go back to 2015, the net impact by quarter was similar to our experience in 2016. We ended the first quarter with estimated available resources of $4.1 billion, which meets both rating agency and regulatory requirements. Starting with this quarter, we will disclose available resources as measured on a book value basis.

We believe book value more consistently aligns with CTE 95 and statutory accounting than market value, which we have disclosed in prior quarters. For purposes of comparison, the market value of our available resources was slightly higher than book value. During the first quarter, net outflows in the closed block were $2 billion. Included in this figure is $1.2 billion of net outflows from our enhanced surrender offer that Rod mentioned earlier. The surrender offer had a take-up rate of approximately 25%, and we expect an additional $100 million of surrender offer related outflow in the second quarter. We are very pleased with the take-up rate and the interest that policyholders showed in this opportunity. We are considering additional offers to other GMIB policyholders to offer more options to our customers and to continue accelerating the runoff.

On slide 21, you can see how our targeted GMIB offers, combined with the natural runoff, have led to a significant decrease in the size of the block. Since our IPO, the Living Benefits policy count has declined by over a third. Over that same four-year period, the Living Benefits account value has also fallen to $24 billion, which includes approximately $6 billion of net market appreciation. On slide 22, we show the results of our annual update of projected cash flows on the closed block. The values shown reflect changes to our hedge program and a change in our long-term interest rate assumption. Compared to a year ago, the range of the results is tighter. Higher values for scenario one show how the additional hedging program adjustments provide additional protection in a sharply depressed interest rate and equity market scenario.

The reduction in the long-term interest rate assumption, which was part of our 2016 annual assumption review, lowered the values for scenarios 2, 3, and 4. We do not plan to regularly update the 1% flat interest rate scenario that we showed in our second quarter 2016 earnings call. But the result of that scenario similarly improved with a net present value of positive $200 million, representing an improvement of approximately $1 billion. On the far right, we added another view to value the cash flow scenarios at a static 3.75% discount rate. That rate is consistent with our long-term statutory interest rate assumption and roughly consistent with our portfolio yield on assets supporting the block. Slide 23 puts the four deterministic 50-year cash flow scenarios in perspective, as we have done previously.

Compared to the stochastic distribution from a year ago, there are fewer negative outcomes, and the spread of results is tighter. The adjustments to our hedging program, the lowering of our long-term interest rate assumption, and the shrinkage of the block are the main drivers behind the year-over-year change in results. Deterministic scenario 1 is an outlier and remains on the far left of the graph. There are only three stochastic scenarios worse than scenario 1. On slide 24, you can see that our regulatory and financial leverage ratios are strong and remain better than our targets. The RBC ratio increased to 526% at the end of March, mainly driven by statutory net income. On the right side of the slide, our debt-to-capital ratio was relatively unchanged at 24.5% at the end of the first quarter, even after factoring in the capital already committed to share repurchases.

On slide 25, our excess capital, which consists of estimated statutory surplus and holding company liquidity above targets, was $949 million at the end of the first quarter. Additionally, we repurchased $90 million of debt in the quarter. We had $436 million available for share repurchases at the end of March after funding a $150 million discounted share repurchase program in the first quarter. The transaction closed in the second quarter. Since our IPO, we have returned $3.2 billion of capital to shareholders. In summary, we continue to progress towards our 2018 ROE goal. We have strong balance sheet, and we continued to return capital to shareholders, and we made significant progress in de-risking our closed block variable annuity exposure. With that, I will turn the call back to the operator so we can take your questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, we ask that you please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. As a reminder, participants are limited to one question and one follow-up. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Today's first question comes from Seth Weiss of Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Seth Weiss
Analyst, Bank of America

Hi. Great. Thanks for taking the question. Mike, question for you on the updated capital levels for the ongoing business expected to be in the high seven to low eight range. I believe the previous expectation was around $8.7 billion when you gave this a couple of quarters ago, and I know you mentioned this was largely a function of lower term life, and I believe less pension risk transfer sales. On an EPS basis, if we take the midpoint of your ROE guidance, this isn't an insignificant change in terms of earnings. I get about $0.50 a share out in 2018. I'm just trying to put in context a bit or understand the change here in guidance.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Seth, you've got the numbers straight in terms of our capital expectation, as I said, the original estimate was a projection based on a number of assumptions, including relatively capital-intensive businesses, particularly the PRT and term life that you mentioned. I think from our standpoint, this is a better representation of where we think we're ultimately going to get to. We remain confident in achieving our targets in terms of the ROE goal, which, as I said, is what we're primarily focused on, and that is, just to reiterate, 13.5% to 14.5% in 2018. I think ultimately the math is the math, our focus is on ROE and driving the ROE improvement story that we started back at the IPO.

Seth Weiss
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay, great. I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question today comes from Erik Bass of Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

Erik Bass
Analyst, Autonomous Research

Hi, thank you. I had a question on the CBVA, and just given the success of the enhanced surrender value program and the other initiatives that you've undertaken, coupled with the improvement in the stressed cash flow scenarios, do you have any more clarity on when you may be able to start withdrawing capital from the block?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Thank you, Erik. The short answer is that we continue to work on driving the business down. We've made, as you said, significant progress. In terms of future guidance on capital, I think we'll do that at an appropriate time. At this point, we're still in the five-year period that we started at IPO, where we don't expect within five years. I think I've said this before, that didn't mean in year six, that was when it was going to start. I would point out that at the time of the IPO, we had a certain expectation about interest rates. Interest rates have performed meaningfully below that. So that's put some pressure on the expectations that we had at IPO. We're very pleased with the results of our offer. We're, as I mentioned, going to look at other opportunities to do that.

We offered half of the block the first time through. We got a 25% take-up rate. I think there are ample opportunities for us to continue to accelerate that runoff.

Erik Bass
Analyst, Autonomous Research

Got it. Appreciate the comments. Then quickly, if you could talk about the pricing and loss cost environment in medical stop-loss, where the loss ratio has now been over 80% for two consecutive quarters. What gives you the confidence that this will improve and get back to the 77%-80% range for the remainder of the year?

Alain Karaoglan
COO, Voya Financial

Erik, hi, it's Alain. Yes, the first quarter loss ratio was elevated on the stop-loss business. As you know, the stop-loss business in 2014 and 2015, went through a period where claims were quite favorable.

Claims have accelerated in 2015 and 2016. It used to be in the very low digits in the prior, it increased to around the 7% range. We're actively performing analysis on our book of business to allow more precision in the renewals and in where we need to take actions going forward. We're quite confident in our ability to achieve our 2018 targets in terms of the loss ratio. Should the trends in claims that we've seen in the last two quarters in stop-loss continue in 2017, you should expect to be at the higher end of our targeted loss ratio range or slightly above that for 2017. Looking at the book of business, and as you know, this is a one-year book of business renewal, you're able to take actions quite significantly to adjust the ratio.

As you know, we are willing to give up premium in order to improve our underwriting results, and we will do that if we need to.

Erik Bass
Analyst, Autonomous Research

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ryan Krueger of KBW. Please go ahead.

Ryan Krueger
Analyst, KBW

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. I had a couple expense questions. First, could you quantify the amount of what you'd consider to be seasonally high one Q expenses that would come down going forward?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Sure, Ryan, this is Mike. The seasonal expenses we guided to in the fourth quarter was $25 million. We expect that to reverse.

Ryan Krueger
Analyst, KBW

Got it. Okay. Secondly, how should we think about the pace of the $50 million cost save guidance for 2017? Was there any material impact from the cost saves that were included in the one Q results?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

We're on track to achieve the $50-$60. I think there will be impact throughout the year. I think it'll build over time. We're also, I think, very confident in our achieving the 2018 goals that we've set out of $100 million or more. On track, and it'll grow over the course of the year.

Ryan Krueger
Analyst, KBW

Got it. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Thomas Gallagher of Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Thomas Gallagher
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Good morning. First, just a modeling considerations question. I just want to make sure I have this right. On slide 15, you have this other favorable variances to net investment income, those are all adding up to about $21 million. It's footnoted saying equity security distribution and security settlements. Should we expect $21 million less of pre-tax earnings heading into 2Q? I know there's a lot of other adjustments to be made here, including mortality and some of the other issues. If I just isolate it to that one issue, should we assume on a normalized basis that goes to close to zero, or should some level of that related net investment income expected to recur?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Thomas, this is Michael. First thing to make sure you catch is that these are pre-DAC numbers too, you need to make a DAC adjustment in terms of the overall, where appropriate. I think you've generally got it right. These are items that are unusual flows to us that come through investment income. That is not to say they won't occur in the future, there's not an expectation of a steady stream of them, right? They tend to be lumpy. We wanted to flag it as something, particularly in the environment we're in, where the new money rates are putting some pressure on spread. We wanted to make sure it was clear what was going on.

As you correctly observed, there are other unfavorable items, particularly mortality in individual life and the seasonal mortality bump in group life that need to be adjusted the other way. It so happens that they were basically washed out in the quarter, is the way we're thinking of them.

Thomas Gallagher
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Got it. Michael, the DAC offset to those, could I take something like 50%? For debt harmonization or would it not be that high?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

It's quite a bit smaller than that. I think you should be thinking in the low double-digit kind of rate, if any.

Thomas Gallagher
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Got it. Okay. Just on thinking about seasonality, I know the medical stop-loss, at least last year, saw over 1,000-point improvement in loss ratio if I looked at from 1Q to 2Q. I know you guys have already given out your full year guidance, so I assume it's not going to be that pronounced. Even with trends you're seeing, would you still expect to see a material improvement in the loss ratio just from a seasonal standpoint in stop-loss in 2Q versus 1Q?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Tom, we typically don't think of stop-loss as having a seasonal component, right? I think it will potentially change over time as experience from the block continues to emerge. This is an evolving block where we have policies re-underwritten every year. As experience emerges on subsequent cohorts of business, you'll see some changes. There's not really a seasonal element of stop-loss, if I understand your question correctly.

Thomas Gallagher
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Yeah. No, that's helpful. Final question. Just thinking about, I think the metrics you put out on CBVA look pretty encouraging on reduction in risk and a better outcome on the worst case scenario in your stress scenario. The one thing I wonder, though, is at some point, could this be a gating item on capital return just from a debt to cap standpoint? Because looking at your leverage is now nearing 25%, if you have, say, successful execution of some future buyout programs that result in GAAP losses, it could push your debt to cap over 25%. Is that not an issue, or is that an issue that could become a gating item?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

First, Tom, we are encouraged by the results that you're seeing, and I'm glad that you're seeing it that way as well. I think there's a lot to feel good about here, and we've made great progress, and I think we have more opportunities to make further progress. In terms of debt to cap, a couple of things to consider. First, we set this level at IPO and the 25%, I think we would view as a conservative level in consideration of the CBVA exposure. Another thing to keep in mind is that we calculate that debt-to-capital ratio on a conservative basis. We don't give equity credit for the subordinated debt. If you did that, the 24.5 becomes 23.1. We're not going to change our presentation of that, but that's just something for you to keep in mind.

Third is that this is one measure of our leverage. There are lots of other measures that the rating agencies look at and that the market considers. Certainly, it's a consideration. We'll continue to manage that accordingly. It's not something that we view as a near-term issue.

Thomas Gallagher
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay, thanks.

Rodney O. Martin, Jr.
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Thomas, the only other thing I would add is consistent with what Mike said on the conservative nature of what he just discussed. Recall that when we went public, we also for, we think very good and valid reasons, were very prudent in keeping 24 months liquidity at the holding company. That is much higher than most of our competitors. We think it has served us well, it's just another factor that I think you ought to consider as you evaluate just available resources.

Thomas Gallagher
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay. Thanks, Rod.

Operator

Our next question comes from John Nadel of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

John Nadel
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Good morning. A couple of questions. On CBVA, you referenced taking some incremental interest rate protection actions back in the latter part of the fourth quarter. Clearly it seems like that in combination with a couple of other things here, the enhanced program, et cetera, has had a positive impact. How long is the duration of that incremental hedging that you put on? Should we think about that as a time specific, we expect it to run off at a point, or should we expect that to be long-term in nature and it's going to be an ongoing contributing factor to the favorable stress scenarios here?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Good morning, John. A couple of things to keep in mind. Yes, we added to our long-tenored swap positions, the tenor of those is relatively consistent with that which we have done in the past, which I think was in the roughly 18 years. Is that correct? That position is now larger than it used to be. To your point, there's more long duration protection. In addition, you'll recall last summer, we talked about a hedge to protect in the low for long scenario. That was a one-sided shorter duration hedge. We adjusted our hedge position to basically liquidate that position and added more swaps in place of that. We lengthened the protection that we had in that space as well, too.

John Nadel
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Excellent. A question, just a housekeeping item on the $50 million-$60 million of expense saves for 2017. Can you just remind us, is that a $50 million-$60 million save that we should view as a run rate by the time we get to the fourth quarter? Or is that a $50 million-$60 million in absolute dollars in 2017 versus 2016?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

We have consistently said, and to be clear, where it is in 2017, and the 100-plus is in 2018.

John Nadel
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Got it. Thank you.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Not a run rate.

John Nadel
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question today comes from Yaron Kinar of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Yaron Kinar
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Good morning, everybody. Just want to go back to the enhanced surrender offer and its results. Can you maybe give us a little more color as to what the take-up rate there, and then specifically, I'm guessing that you mostly targeted in the money policyholders. What kind of impact did that have on the scenario, the cash flow scenarios that were offered on slide 22?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Okay. Yaron, we offered this to a specific cohort of our GMIB. It's roughly half of the policyholders. We're not able to distinguish between the level of moneyness if we offer it to any policyholder who bought it with under that prospectus, then we have to offer to all. The take-up rate was 25%. That, as we said, it'll be ultimately $1.3 billion and take up about 13,000 policyholders, roughly speaking. In terms of in the moneyness, I guess the way to think about the block is that the vast majority of the GMIB is in the money as it is. It was a pretty meaningful impact. We didn't really spike it out in terms of the cash flow. That's not really factored in, not really something that I can comment on.

What I can say is that it was a meaningful reduction in the net amount at risk. To just give you some perspective, the buyout reduced the living benefit net amount of risk by about $300 million. That's a pretty substantial change from our perspective. We're very pleased with the take-up, and look forward to seeing what other opportunities we can exercise on.

Yaron Kinar
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Got it. Maybe one other one on the closed block. On slide 20, you talk about sufficient at CTE 95. I just want to confirm that at the current levels, the company is still above that CTE 95 target. Maybe also touch on the $50 million that I think were put into the block of assets that were put into the block. Maybe you could talk about why that was necessary.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yaron, first, yes, we are still sufficient at CTE 95. Frankly, our relative position in terms of level of sufficiency has not changed a whole lot over the last several quarters. It has been fairly steady. The $50 million was really a rebalancing that we go through between the entities, the writing entity, the Iowa Company, and our downstream captive. We periodically have to shift the cash flows between the two entities just to keep things in balance, I guess, is the easiest way to say it.

Yaron Kinar
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Just to circle back a second, the sufficient CTE 95. Is the company now at CTE 95? Because I thought a quarter or two ago, you were at closer to 98.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Thank you. While we target CTE 95, we are sufficient at CTE 98.

Yaron Kinar
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Suneet Kamath of Citi. Please go ahead.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst, Citi

Thanks. I wanted to start with capital if I could. If I look at your excess capital position of $949 million, I think about your remaining buyback authorization of $436, it looks like there's still another $500 million difference between those two numbers. I just wanted to confirm that you're still committed to returning that incremental excess capital to shareholders, say, over the next year or so.

Rodney O. Martin, Jr.
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Suneet, it's Rod. I think you should look at the record of our past. We've been very consistent with that approach. We've got an authorization. We intend to utilize the authorization. At that point, we'll evaluate both market conditions and where we are in the year. We will go back to our board and have an active conversation as we've done in many previous times, and continue to return excess capital to shareholders as we deem appropriate given the market conditions. As Mike pointed out, I think we've returned already $3.2 billion, which we're proud of, and we will continue to be active in that, as well as judiciously managing the capital of the closed block in a similar manner.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst, Citi

No, I understand. The reason I ask the question is because I think in your definition of ROE, your denominator excludes any excess capital over 425. I guess the reason I ask the question is I want to make sure that there's not an additional cushion that you're holding that, in theory, we should be adding back to that denominator when we calculate the ROE.

Rodney O. Martin, Jr.
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

You have it correct.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst, Citi

Okay. My other question is just in terms of, I think going back to Seth Weiss's question at the start of the call. If we take your ROC guidance and the new capital number for 2018 and sort of back into an implied EPS, it still seems like there's a pretty sizable difference between where you're run rating right now and where that number is, which is probably in excess of $1 per quarter. I just want to get a sense of, as you think about modeling the company, when do you think we should start to see that inflection point, i.e., EPS run rating from around somewhere in the $0.70-$0.80 to something north of $1?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Suneet Kamath, I understand the point of the question. I think the improvement will continue to be seen gradually over the course of 2017 and probably more so in 2018, is the way I would think of it. I think it's an accelerating curve. It's not a straight linear to the end point.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst, Citi

That acceleration would start probably second half of this year.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah. I think the way to think about it, Suneet, is the cost saves will start to build, the benefit of the growth we're seeing will start to build, the efficiencies and other benefits that we've built should also continue to compound. Think of it that way, as something that will continue to build upon the success of the prior quarters and so on.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst, Citi

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from John Barnidge of Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.

John Barnidge
Analyst, Sandler O'Neill

Thank you. As I think about a divestment of the CBVA, I was curious about AUM of note from CBVA managed by investment management.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah. I think the number is about $21 million that's managed in $21 billion, excuse me. $21 billion that is managed by investment management.

John Barnidge
Analyst, Sandler O'Neill

Okay. Then with a potential sale rather, how should we think of expenses then in investment management? Because presumably, there's a certain level that are fixed.

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Well, we're starting to get way ahead of ourselves in terms of a sale, let's just kind of think that through, right? The funds would continue to be managed, if it were just a straight sale of the entity. At least for some period of time, the funds would continue to be managed by Voya Investment Management, and then there may or may not be a transition of that management to some other player. It's not a given that that goes away in the case of a transaction like that. What might and it's also not even a given that the general account assets would move. It will really depend on the nature of the transaction, the nature of the potential buyer. Again, that's a little ahead of where we are today and hard to speculate.

I just say, don't assume that that has to go away.

John Barnidge
Analyst, Sandler O'Neill

Okay. Then maybe one question on the DOL. The DOL rule is delayed, at what point does uncertainty of if the rule happens or doesn't happen become more disruptive in some ways than implementation of the rule itself?

Rodney O. Martin, Jr.
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

It's Rod. I'll hand it to Charlie. We can't predict what and how and in what form Washington is going to how this is going to emerge. I think if you look at the results that Carolyn and the team produced in the first quarter of this year as it relates to annuities, by way of example, we've got a very good platform. I think some good momentum. There clearly is uncertainty. The sooner that's resolved, it's better. We will continue to be very agile as we move through this. We are, I think, appropriately managing our expenditures associated with that as reflected in what has been revealed in our financials. Charlie, more specifically on DOL.

Charles P. Nelson
CEO of Retirement, Voya Financial

Thanks, Rod. In terms of disruption, I don't see it quite as disruption because I think we're, until there's a definitive change or modification, we're marching towards compliance. We've long been an advocate for the role of the advisor and how they can help improve outcomes, as well as advancing access to advice. If you think about that, regardless of how the rule ultimately plays out, a delay as is or even gets canceled, our commitment is to continue to make prudent investments to enhance our functionality and capabilities with our advisors to improve automation of compliance, documentation, fiduciary disclosures for advisors, administration of security transactions. Of which I think the result for our business and the client experience is really going to benefit our customers, the advisors, as well as Voya long term.

John Barnidge
Analyst, Sandler O'Neill

Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from Sean Egan of Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Sean Egan
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Thanks, and good morning. If I could just come back to the CBVA extremes stress scenario, present value improving. To be clear, the main driver of that is the hedge modifications that you described to John Nadel and not the surrender value offers or market changes?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Yeah. It is correct. It is primarily driven by the hedging that we've added to the block.

Sean Egan
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Got it. Thanks. Can you just remind us, our NPR adjustments, does that flow through statutory capital?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

John, that does not. That is a GAAP-only construct. As we've said, we view it as a noneconomic feature of some of these liabilities on a GAAP basis only.

Sean Egan
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Great. Thanks.

Rodney O. Martin, Jr.
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

I'll take one additional question.

Operator

Thank you, sir. The final question today comes from Humphrey Lee of Dowling & Partners. Please go ahead.

Humphrey Lee
Analyst, Dowling & Partners

Good morning, thank you for taking my question. Just related to the CBVA accelerated surrender offer, can we talk about some of the feedback that you've got from clients and distributions, and maybe what you can think about, what's your thoughts regarding in future rounds of enhanced offering, what you can do to even attract a higher take-up rate?

Rodney O. Martin, Jr.
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

I'll begin. It's Rod, then Mike certainly can jump in. If you recall, we've had four previous offers at different incentives as an enhancement offer, we viewed this always as, and continue to, as a beta test to secure feedback from our customers and the distribution partners that are associated with that. This was the first buyout offer that we had done, part of the feedback we'd received in the previous offers were some were absolutely interested in the enhancement, some suggested if a buyout offer was made and it was considered appropriate in their view, that it would be welcomed and well-received. Certainly, we are very pleased, as Mike and Alain have talked about. We are evaluating further offers. We will follow the same path and process that we've done earlier. We will keep you posted as we go through this.

We will continue to be very thoughtful about approaching the customers in the same manner, the same thorough process, we're going to consider additional buyout offers in the context of 2017 and beyond. Mike, anything to add?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

No. I think the reaction was enthusiastic. I think the simplicity of the offer is something that appeals to customers and to distributors. I think one of the primary lessons is that we will, and if we do future offers, it's possible we'll lengthen the offer period, just given the degree of reaction. It'll make it potentially even more successful. I think we'll have to wait and see how the offer is ultimately received. Not everybody is in the same position. Not all parts of the block are the same. It's not necessarily true that the reaction from the other part would be the same as this. It might be better. It might be a little bit lower. I think we're really encouraged by the results and looking forward to the future opportunities.

Humphrey Lee
Analyst, Dowling & Partners

Just as a follow-up, how should we think about the potential cost, or at least for this round, the cost to Voya in terms of this enhanced offering?

Michael Smith
CFO, Voya Financial

Well, we think of the cost in a purely statutory way, right? I think we would describe that, and I think we described in the press release as modest impact to resources. You can see that in the comparison of resources to reserves, and how that really didn't change. The relationship didn't really change quarter-over-quarter. I'll take a minute just to explain the GAAP impact in that the GAAP reserves are lower than the statutory reserves. While the statutory impact, the amount that we pay relative to the stat reserves is relatively close, there is a further distance between what we're paying and the GAAP reserves. We release meaningfully less than the actual amount we pay on a GAAP basis, and that led to the GAAP loss.

We think of the cost purely in terms of statutory, and we're very pleased with the way we were able to get a pretty significant take-up at a pretty modest price.

Operator

Thank you, sir. This concludes the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Rod Martin for any closing remarks.

Rodney O. Martin, Jr.
Chairman and CEO, Voya Financial

Rocco, thank you. We are pleased with the results we've achieved this quarter. The year is off to a good start with strong performance across our businesses. We will continue to execute our plans, and we remain confident in our ability to achieve our financial targets, provide valuable solutions to our customers, and continue to deliver value for our shareholders. Thank you, and good day.

Operator

Thank you, sir. Today's conference has now concluded, and we thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.