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Earnings Call: Q3 2022

Nov 3, 2022

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Veris Residential third quarter 2022 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions.

To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Taryn Fildow, the General Counsel of Veris Residential. Please go ahead.

Taryn Fielder
General Counsel, Veris Residential

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Veris Residential's third quarter 2022 earnings conference call. I would like to remind everyone that certain information discussed on this call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws.

Although we believe the estimates reflected in these statements are based on reasonable assumptions, we cannot give assurance that the anticipated results will be achieved. We refer you to the company's press release and annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC for risk factors that impact the company. With that, I would like to hand you over to Mahbod Nia, Veris Residential's Chief Executive Officer. Mahbod.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Good morning, and welcome to our third quarter 2022 earnings call. I'm joined by our CFO, Amanda Lombard. During the quarter, we continued to make meaningful progress on our strategic transformation despite the significant market volatility, while delivering a fourth consecutive quarter of strong rental and NOI growth across our multifamily portfolio.

As evidenced by our binding agreement to sell Harborside 1, 2, and 3, and the completion of the sale of 101 Hudson Street, we're now in the final phase of our transformation. Inclusive of these transactions and pro forma for the stabilization of Haus25, multifamily will represent approximately 98% of NOI, up from 39% around 18 months ago.

Looking ahead, the sizable proceeds anticipated from Harborside 1, 2, and 3, in addition to potential further non-strategic asset sales, will provide the company with substantial liquidity as we seek to conclude our transformation.

Our 6,931-unit multifamily portfolio had occupancy of 95.8% and achieved a blended net rental growth rate of 20% during the quarter. Headline rents continued to grow and the loss of lease in the portfolio reduced from 5% to approximately 2% during the quarter as we continue to capture upside in our portfolio, notwithstanding the challenging macroeconomic backdrop.

From a leasing perspective, we're seeing some signs of mounting pressure on consumers and businesses due to rising inflation and interest rates. While we're not immune from these forces, we believe that our class A multifamily properties possess unique characteristics. They are well-located, modern, and well amenitized, and as such, should prove somewhat resilient due to their compelling relative value proposition, especially relative to New York City.

Of particular note, while New York City rents are cooling on the whole, the luxury segment has held up comparatively well given the limited supply. This is evident in our October blended net rental growth rate that remains strong in the mid-teens, but softened somewhat compared to the 20% achieved in the third quarter.

Our residents on the whole are seemingly well-positioned to absorb the impact of increasing rents and inflationary pressures, as evidenced by the increase in the average income of residents who signed leases during the third quarter as compared to the second quarter, and a more than 20% increase compared to the same period last year. We maintained strong leasing momentum at Haus25, with the property now 82% leased and 76% occupied, resulting in increased NOI contribution this quarter that Amanda will discuss in greater detail.

Our 5,825-unit same-store operating portfolio had occupancy of 95.7%, a blended net rental growth rate of 19%, and a same-store year-over-year NOI growth of 21%, reflecting burn off of existing concessions and increasing rents during the quarter. Sequential same-store NOI declined by 2%, driven by higher non-controllable expenses, namely taxes in Jersey City.

Due to the steps we've taken to streamline our operations and cut costs, we're able to reduce our controllable operating expenses as compared to the prior year, despite the ongoing inflationary pressures. With regard to our corporate expenses, we've also taken steps over the past 18 months to rightsize our expense structure to bring it in line with our midcap public REIT peers as a percentage of gross asset value. We anticipate further opportunities to optimize our overheads upon completion of our transformation.

On the disposal front, as referenced earlier, this quarter we reached significant milestones on our path to becoming a pure-play multifamily REIT. Liquidity moving forward. We also announced the completion of our sale of 101 Hudson Street for $346 million, resulting in $90 million of total net proceeds, including $15 million that was held as a deposit. These proceeds were used to repay the revolving credit facility.

As one of our industry leaders in ESG, subsequent to the quarter, we were pleased to earn a five-star rating for our performance in the 2022 Global Real Estate Sustainability Benchmark, or GRESB, the global ESG benchmark for real estate and infrastructure investments, in the highest 20% of all 1,800 participant companies.

Finally, in our ongoing effort to mitigate our carbon footprint and combat climate change, we recently joined New Jersey's Clean Buildings Working Group. As a member, we look forward to working closely with Governor Murphy and his task force to help the state achieve its climate goals. With that, I'm going to hand it over to Amanda, who will update you on our financial performance during the quarter.

Amanda Lombard
CFO, Veris Residential

Thanks, Mahbod. FFO per share was down quarter-over-quarter due to a one-time non-cash impairment of approximately $85 million on the Harborside office assets recognized in the third quarter, as well as the benefit of a $55 million gain on the sale of land parcels completed in the second quarter.

Core FFO for the quarter was $0.15 per fully diluted share in line with last quarter. We began to benefit from NOI contributions from Haus25 and The James, equating to $0.04 per share. This was offset by interest expense of $0.03 per share due to rising interest rates and another $0.01 per share related to lower capitalized interest on Haus25. As such, the FFO contribution this quarter does not yet reflect a stabilized run rate. Year-over-year, same-store NOI was up 21%.

However, despite strong rental growth, same-store NOI sequentially was down 2%, as we had anticipated, due to the catch-up in higher real estate taxes, primarily in Jersey City. We expect that real estate taxes on a run rate basis will be roughly 3% lower than the total real estate taxes recorded this quarter due to further increases expected in the fourth quarter. Excluding this adjustment for real estate taxes, the sequential same-store NOI was up 2%.

Diving deeper into expenses, the increase in marketing payroll and R&M is largely due to seasonality as lease expirations peaked over the summer and were approximately 50% higher than the prior quarter, resulting in increased costs associated with lease turnover. Further to Mahbod's comment around inflation, our ongoing efforts to streamline operations, enhance technology, and invest in our team has largely mitigated the impact of inflation this year.

Year to date, same-store controllable expenses are down by just under 1%, which if you assume that the full impact of the most recent CPI increase of 8.2% is reflected in our costs, implies a reduction of over 9% over the past year. As Mahbod mentioned, our efforts to optimize expenses are not yet complete, and we anticipate further potential for savings as we complete our transformation.

Turning to our general and administrative costs, after adjustments for one-time severance charges, G&A is $9.5 million or approximately $38 million on an annualized basis. We have included a reconciliation of core G&A in our supplemental materials that strips out the one-time costs which today are associated with the ongoing transformation to arrive at overhead required to run the day-to-day business.

The current quarter's reduction in G&A reflects significant changes in the company's cost structure, including reorganizations to simplify the operating platform between multifamily and office, as well as considerable changes in professional fees. Annualized G&A of $38 million is the lowest G&A in nominal terms in over a decade.

While our third quarter G&A annualized as a percentage of gross asset value is in line with the other midcap REIT peers. We anticipate further efficiencies and cost savings as we exit non-strategic assets and continue to simplify the business.

As in prior years, I expect that next quarter's G&A will be slightly higher than Q3 due to annual adjustments that typically occur in the fourth quarter. We have made solid progress in streamlining our corporate and property cost structures with further efforts to be realized as we continue the transformation. On to our balance sheet.

Subsequent to quarter end, we had Haus25, our largest floating rate debt with a 4% cap due to a springing cap requirement. We expect to explore options to refinance Haus25 as it approaches stabilization and anticipate a spread over SOFR that is lower than the 270 basis points on the current construction loan.

Taking this into account, our company is well-positioned in the current interest rate environment with a weighted average maturity of 4.4 years and inclusive of the hedge on Haus25, but excluding the revolving credit facility and loan on 101 Hudson, 90% of our total debt portfolio is fixed and/or hedged at a weighted average interest rate of 4.1%. Further, our multifamily debt is 100% senior secured, primarily non-recourse, and none of it is cross-collateralized.

Our net debt to Adjusted EBITDA improved this quarter to 12.7x versus 14.1x in the second quarter due to lower G&A and the increased lease-up at Haus25. While this improvement represents our continued effort to strengthen the balance sheet, as noted in prior quarters, this metric is sensitive to small changes in earnings and may vary in any given period. Our debt to undepreciated assets ratio and our interest coverage ratio remain relatively constant at around 47% and 2x respectively.

Finally, in relation to our recently announced transaction activity, I would like to clarify that the net proceeds from the sale of 101 Hudson were approximately equal to our original expected proceeds after accounting for the recent price adjustment, three additional quarters of FFO in which the asset was held, and the absence of the originally projected defeasance cost of $25 million due to the buyer's assumption of the in-place mortgage.

On a Q3 annualized basis, 101 Hudson contributed approximately 12 cents of Core FFO, but only 6 cents of AFFO inclusive of interest expense incurred on the balance of the revolver that was repaid with the sale proceeds. In addition, the assumption of the loan by the buyer, which had an implied loan to value of approximately 72% based upon the recent sale price, improved our overall leverage metrics.

In addition, I'd like to add some color on the difference between gross versus net proceeds expected upon the closing of the sale of Harborside 1, 2, and 3. These deductions include tenant improvements and leasing commissions for the Collectors Universe lease, which Veris is primarily funding from the $25 million termination fee received in Q1.

Plus adjustments for approximately $30 million in remaining capital improvements, as well as customary closing costs and transfer taxes. With that, I will turn it back to Mahbod before we open the line for questions.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Thank you, Amanda. Before turning to Q&A, I would like to take a moment to address the unsolicited proposals Kushner Companies has made to Veris Residential. This morning, we responded to Kushner Companies via press release, which can be viewed on the Veris Residential website. As such, we will not be answering any questions related to this situation or be able to provide any further detail beyond what was disclosed earlier today. Operator, please open the line for Q&A.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press Star, then one on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press Star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our rosters. The first question comes from Steve Sakwa from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Steve Sakwa
Senior Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Evercore ISI

Thanks. Good morning, Mahbod.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Morning.

Steve Sakwa
Senior Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Evercore ISI

Obviously you guys have made a lot of progress simplifying the company and streamlining to becoming, you know, almost a pure multifamily company. There's still, I guess, a few remaining assets that are not multifamily to sell. I'm just wondering if you could sort of give us an update on, you know, Harborside 5 and 6, the marketing process and the demand that maybe you saw for Harborside 1, 2, and 3. I guess, where do the hotels, you know, fit into the disposition plan?

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Thanks, Steve. I think it's a relevant question given the amount of equity that's still tied up actually in those assets and the impact that will have on the tail end of the transformation. With regards to the hotels, as you know, one of them, the Hyatt is under contract and scheduled to close towards the end of this year.

As for the other assets, I would really make the comment across all of our remaining non-strategic on timing of any further realization of sales. We've worked pretty, I think, tenaciously and been pretty pragmatic through also challenging conditions over the past 18, 24 months to move the transformation forward, and we'll continue to exercise the same level of pragmatism that you know in a bal-

Steve Sakwa
Senior Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Evercore ISI

Color on sort of the depth of the buyer pool for, you know, the Harborside 1, 2, and 3. I guess if there were folks that were in that process and didn't win that bid, you know, might they come back to 5 and 6, or, you know, is the bidder pool fairly shallow? Just trying to get a sense for who's out looking for opportunistic office, you know, with a difficult capital market environment today.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Yeah. Well, we started the process for Harborside earlier this year, and we had decent interest around the whole portfolio. We also had interest around subcomponents of the portfolio. The buyers are fairly varied, but I would classify them as generally the value-add players that are looking for repositioning opportunities in the office space. It is conceivable that potentially one or more of the buyers that we spoke to during that process.

Steve Sakwa
Senior Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay. Just one other question for me, just on the multifamily, can you give us a sense for where you're sending out renewal notices today for, you know, say, the December, January, you know, February timeframe? I realize you've had some pretty big growth, but I'm just trying to get a sense for, you know, what kind of renewal increases and maybe to the extent you've got spreads on new leasing, you know, where are those shaking out for November, December.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Yeah. As we mentioned, look, it's 20% blended net rental growth is not sustainable really anywhere. We, as with other peers, do expect to see that normalize somewhere lower. In October, we see it come down to, well, sort of, the mid-teens. I think going forward, you should expect it to be in the low double-digit range for the period that you referenced.

Steve Sakwa
Senior Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Evercore ISI

Great. Thanks. That's it for me.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Bye.

Operator

You may press star and one. The next question comes from Nick Joseph from Citi. Please go ahead.

Nick Joseph
Head of US Real Estate and Lodging Research Team, Citi

Thanks. How have cap rates moved in the New Jersey multifamily market today? If you provide these components to the NAV in the supplemental, when you apply the updated cap rates, how are you thinking about value in terms of NAV for the company?

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Good morning, Nick. Well, look, I think I would say it's too early to really make any definitive statements about where cap rates have landed. The markets are very much still in a period of price discovery.

We're not seeing a huge amount of transaction volume out there. I don't think there's no question cap rates are wider than they were, but I think it's too early to say where to stabilize. What I would say is the assets that we own really are prime, the highest quality assets in the market, the youngest with the best amenity offering, and as such, scarce in nature, and still seeing very strong NOI growth. I would expect these assets to be somewhat more resilient, but no asset is immune in the current environment.

Nick Joseph
Head of US Real Estate and Lodging Research Team, Citi

Just from an NAV perspective, just given where you think cap rates either were or maybe are today.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

I think that's really a question, you know, for you to come to a judgment as I'm sure you will. We've never disclosed an NAV as such, and not looking to disclose one today.

Nick Joseph
Head of US Real Estate and Lodging Research Team, Citi

All right. When would you expect to get to that normalized G&A and no longer have the transformation costs associated with it?

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Yeah, it's a good question. Look, the G&A, first thing I would say is we've obviously taken several steps, and you have to remember the history here, which is that, about four months ago, we really had two companies, side by side, two independent cost structures effectively, you know, from C-suite down.

We've taken initial steps to streamline those into one single company, one single cost structure, and we've began to really see the benefits of that, in the run rate, core G&A. Going forward, we've been pretty clear that as the transformation concludes, we see room for greater savings from this point. That is going to be linked to a couple of factors that drive that.

One is the timing of the completion of the transformation, but also what you do with the proceeds has implications as well. I think we've done a decent amount so far. We definitely see more room from this point to run more efficiently.

I think we've been pretty cognizant in the way that we've also managed expenses in what has been quite an inflationary environment as we all know, and we'll continue to exercise the same prudence. As we conclude the transformation based on the use of proceeds that's ultimately determined working with the board and the SRC, there'll be a varying range of savings, but we anticipate further savings from here in any scenario.

Nick Joseph
Head of US Real Estate and Lodging Research Team, Citi

Thanks. Thanks. Just finally, it looks like the Kushners just responded to your letter this morning, indicating that it is fully capitalized and committed. You know, from a board perspective, I recognize you know there's probably limited stuff you can say, but just you know, are you committed or is the board committed to kind of exploring all strategic alternatives regardless of this individual kind of solicitation?

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Yeah. Look, I can't comment on that. I haven't seen that. As I said, I wouldn't be looking to comment specifically on that proposal. What I would tell you, and I can say this assuredly, is that we have an independent, transparent board that's highly focused on value creation and has been from the beginning, acutely aware of their fiduciary responsibilities as we are as a management team. We have and will continue to evaluate any opportunity to create and/or unlock value for shareholders.

Operator

Mr. Joseph, does that answer your question?

Nick Joseph
Head of US Real Estate and Lodging Research Team, Citi

Oh, yes. Thank you very much.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Tom Catherwood from BTIG. Please proceed.

Tom Catherwood
Managing Director, REITs Equity Research, BTIG

Thank you, and good morning, everybody. Maybe Mahbod, going through the supp, it looks like you've taken down some of your expectations for land values in the resi and then office side of the portfolio. We recently got a what I think is a pretty good comp on a land sale in Jersey City, which should, you know, I would argue was probably of a lower quality and location than your portfolio. What's probably really driving that downward adjustment in your land value estimates?

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Well, obviously we've seen, you know, you've seen rates rise in the rapid fashion that they have. I think just as standing assets, we'll see some impact. We've just taken really a prudent, some might say conservative approach to marking the land as well.

What I would tell you is, ultimately that land is, as you say, very high quality, well located, one would expect extremely sought after and scarce. Nothing to read into per se, but I think in this environment we always take, you know, something of a conservative approach when it comes to looking at values.

Tom Catherwood
Managing Director, REITs Equity Research, BTIG

Got it. Is that more a kind of general market value assessment, or is it, you know, we have specific pricing now on these and we have to adjust downward or a combination of both?

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

No, it's generally taking a conservative view on value given that we're just not in the same environment that we were in a quarter ago or two quarters ago.

Tom Catherwood
Managing Director, REITs Equity Research, BTIG

Got it. Appreciate that. Maybe Amanda, appreciate your commentary about the roll down from gross to net proceeds on Harborside 1, 2, and 3. Maybe as we think a little more broadly, given that sale and the recent closing on 101 Hudson, how much can you shield, you know, without having to either, you know, reinstitute the dividend or pay a specific dividend, special dividend, when it comes to these asset sale proceeds?

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Tom, I think the question is very much gonna be. If you don't mind, I'll take that. The question is gonna be very much linked to, I think, future assets. There is a mandatory dividend that's required, then we will pay that, consistent with our obligations as a REIT. Your expectation should be that based on what we've announced so far, that is not the case.

Tom Catherwood
Managing Director, REITs Equity Research, BTIG

Got it. Appreciate that. Then maybe the last one for me, comment on Haus25, obviously not yet being at its stabilized run rate. The James has obviously just come into the portfolio as well. It looks like there has been a pickup in expectation on stabilized NOI for that asset.

When we think maybe about the direction of debt to EBITDA for the company, it's ticked down materially since the first quarter. As we get more NOI coming on from these multi-family assets, what is your expectation to the trajectory for that metric as we look maybe through the balance of this year and into next year?

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Thanks, Tom. Look, I think it's a good question. As you've observed, we have really largely repaid debt with the proceeds of asset sales to date and brought that down. As Amanda mentioned, that is a number that is somewhat sensitive as well to earnings, which are fluctuating given the transformation.

I think at this point, to give any guidance on trajectory really would be inappropriate because it's largely gonna be driven by the timing of future asset sales, the use of proceeds from those sales. You know, it's certainly something that's been a focus for us, and we have been able to reduce it, as you say, to date.

Tom Catherwood
Managing Director, REITs Equity Research, BTIG

Yeah, I totally get it, but you know, definitely not looking for guidance. I guess the question is. It can move from quarter to quarter, totally understood. Is it stable? Is it trending downward kind of directionally? Is there anything we can take away from it or is it just too early to get a read?

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Yeah. I mean, look, I think you said it. We've got between The James and Haus25, there's additional income contribution there. The remainder of the non-strategic assets that we've got, if you think about Harborside 5 and 6, if you consider potentially some of the land in that, it's not really generating any income at this point, so it's not really helping your net debt to EBITDA number because it's not generating any or certainly not meaningful EBITDA.

That's why I said, but there's a significant amount of equity trapped in those assets because they're fully equity funded. There's no debt on Harborside 5, 6, or on the land, right? That's why I say it is a function of the timing of those sales and what the ultimate use of proceeds is.

Ultimately, you know, is that debt repayment or something else that's ultimately accretive. At the moment, we're carrying a not insignificant amount of equity that is not yielding any EBITDA or, you know, very little in the case of Harborside 5 and 6.

Tom Catherwood
Managing Director, REITs Equity Research, BTIG

Understood. Very helpful. Thanks, everyone.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Thank you, Tom.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from John Pawlowski from Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

John Pawlowski
Managing Director, Residential Research, Green Street Advisors

Good morning. Thanks for the time. Mahbod, could you give us a sense for just how much or how large of a non-refundable deposit is down for Harborside 1, 2, and 3? I'm just trying to get a sense for the chances of that transaction following through between now and the first quarter of next year.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Good morning, John. We're actually not permitted to disclose that under the terms of contract, or the identity of the buyer. I'm afraid I can't disclose it. What I would tell you is that it's a buyer that we've diligenced and, based on what we and our advisors understand, it's a buyer that has transacted over three decades, including during pretty challenging market conditions and including quite heavy lift value add office repositioning investments.

Sitting here today, we feel good about the likelihood of that transaction closing. Obviously, given the challenges and the uncertainty out there, nothing is done until it's done. Yeah, we feel pretty good about that as we sit here today.

John Pawlowski
Managing Director, Residential Research, Green Street Advisors

Okay. I know a lot can change between now and when you get the proceeds, but can you help us think through a reasonable base case on the redeployment of the capital of these office sales? As you stand today, what proportion is targeted towards debt reduction versus apartment acquisitions, et cetera. Could you give us a little bit of color on how you think you're gonna put this cash back to work?

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Yeah, John, I think it's a little bit early. I think we would need to be a bit closer to the time that we're coming to realize those proceeds and then evaluate on a closer to real-time basis what the highest and best use is for that capital based on the alternatives that are available to us. That's a discussion that we'll be having with the board and the strategic review committee to ultimately determine and look forward to updating you in due course.

John Pawlowski
Managing Director, Residential Research, Green Street Advisors

Okay. Two quick modeling questions, if I can slip them in. October occupancy, and then I know you're not giving 2023 guidance, but expenses have been quite variable, and you've communicated them. Can you just give us a sense for 4Q expense growth, that you expect?

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Well, directionally, I would say the strategy really this year was, you know, has been to push rents, and somewhat, you know, compromise occupancy, which you started to see this quarter. I wouldn't say we're expecting a meaningful change in occupancy, between, you know, now and year-end.

As for expenses, look, we're in a pretty, uncertain inflationary environment still today. What I would say is we've been pretty, thoughtful in the way that we've managed our expenses this past year to try to mitigate the controllable side of the equation. What's been obviously more challenging has been the non-controllable expenses, where we've seen taxes rise and actually, you know, disproportionately higher than some other areas here in Jersey City.

John Pawlowski
Managing Director, Residential Research, Green Street Advisors

All right. Thanks for the time.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mahbod Nia for closing remarks.

Mahbod Nia
CEO, Veris Residential

Thank you everyone for joining us. We're pleased to announce another great quarter and look forward to updating you again in due course.

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.

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