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Earnings Call: Q4 2020

Feb 8, 2021

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Varonis Systems Inc. fourth quarter 2020 earnings conference call. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, James Arestia, Director of Investor Relations. Thank you.

James Arestia
Director of Investor Relations, Varonis Systems

Thank you operator. Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today to review Varonis' fourth quarter and full year 2020 financial results. With me on the call today are Yaki Faitelson, Chief Executive Officer, and Guy Melamed, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer. After preliminary remarks, we will open the call to a question-and-answer session. During this call, we may make statements related to our business that would be considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws, including projections of future operating results for our first quarter and full year ending December 31st, 2021. Due to a number of factors, actual results may differ materially from those set forth in such statements.

These factors are set forth in the earnings press release that we issued today under the section captioned Forward-Looking Statements, and these and other important risk factors are described more fully in our reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We encourage all investors to read our SEC filings. These statements reflect our views only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. Varonis expressly disclaims any application or undertaking to release publicly any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statements made herein. Additionally, non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed on this conference call, which excludes stock-based compensation expense, payroll tax expense related to stock-based compensation, amortization of acquired intangible assets, acquisition related expenses, foreign exchange gains and losses, amortization of debt discount and issuing costs related to our convertible notes issued in May 2020, and acquisition related taxes.

A reconciliation for the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures is also available in our fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings press release, which can be found at www.varonis.com in the investor relations section. Please note that an updated investor presentation, as well as a webcast of today's call, are available on our website in the investor relations section. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Yaki Faitelson. Yaki?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Thanks, Jamie. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us to discuss our first quarter 2020 results, which exceeded all expectations on both the top and bottom line. Our performance is a testament to the demand for the Varonis Data Security Platform, the team's continued execution, especially during these challenging times, and the power of our subscription model. We are well-positioned to capitalize on the acceleration we are witnessing in global digital transformation. We believe it will make for an exciting 2021. I want to begin today by recapping our 2020 performance. Then discuss how the secular trends that organizations are experiencing today, and that many are predicting to continue, provide Varonis a long-term opportunity to fulfill its mission of protecting sensitive data for our customers. I will then turn the call to Guy to discuss our results and guidance in more detail.

Let's start by looking back on our performance over the last 12 months. When I spoke to you a year ago, we were completing what we believe was one of the fastest transition to subscription in the history of software. Our momentum was interrupted in mid-March as COVID hit. Companies had to enable their employees to work from home almost overnight. However, once they had addressed employees' safety and business continuity, companies quickly realized their remote workforce was more dependent than ever on access to sensitive data on-prem and in the cloud, exposing them to heightened risks. These risks don't only relate to working from home, but also to the reality of greater digital collaboration, which is here to stay. As a result, we started to see a significant uptick in the use of our platform by customers, and our pipeline became stronger.

From that point on, business improved each quarter. Our Q2 results were solid. Q3 further improved, and our Q4 results were outstanding. With this upswing, we gained the momentum needed to exceed the high end of the full year 2020 revenue guidance we provided pre-COVID. I would like to now discuss how secular trends have accelerated, impacting our customers and creating strong demands to our product, and the engine that is fueling these trends is digital transformation. Let's start there. Employees in every organization have been collaborating across multiple platforms for years, leading to more complexity and more exposed data. This is a given and will only continue, increasing data risks and potentially disrupting business globally. We have all seen the expansion accelerated on cloud application like Microsoft 365 and Teams. The shift to the cloud highlights the need for a Zero Trust approach, which Varonis has always subscribed to.

Specifically, we believe that perimeter security by itself is insufficient, that users should only have access to the data they require, and that companies should continually monitor for abuse and violations. Digital transformation is the engine, and the trends coming from that are accelerating, bringing with them a significant escalation of risk. One trend is cybercrime and its collision with data protection. Cryptocurrency has made stolen data easier to monetize, and those who want to steal it are more sophisticated than ever before. This year alone, companies around the world saw COVID-related phishing emails specifically targeting unstructured data, advanced persistent threats or APTs like Maze, Emotet, and Ryuk, vulnerabilities in perimeter devices, remote access servers, and in Active Directory itself, and continuous threats from rogue insiders that many times is the biggest risk of all.

The target of these hacks is almost always critical data, which is our mission to protect. As a result, customers increasingly tell us our platform is a must-have. Another trend is regulation. Digital transformation and increased cyber attacks have made compliance with data-centric regulation like GDPR and CCPA a serious challenge. This creates substantial operational and reputational risks that companies can no longer ignore. It's another reason our customers continue to tell us Varonis is a must-have platform. Which bring me to the overriding need and growing demand to streamline processes through automation. For every CISO, companies often have thousands of employees creating data-generating risks. The security team cannot keep pace to secure this data, mitigate cyber threats, and ensure compliance. Automation is the answer, and it's another must-have which we have built in into our integrated platform.

With our subscription model, our customers find it seamless and efficient to initially purchase more licenses and continue consume more over time, realizing and benefiting from the power and flexibility of our offering. Let me provide a few examples from Q4. One example of a large initial commitment by a new customer in a U.S. healthcare company that had data retention and PHI reporting issues. During a risk assessment, we found that 90% of their data was being shared externally, allowing attackers to easily sidestep their endpoint tools. We also demonstrated how Automation Engine could fix global access issues in days, where doing so manually would have taken several years. This new customer purchased DatAdvantage and Data Classification licenses for multiple on-prem and cloud platform, as well as DatAlert and Automation Engine. In addition to the new wins like this, we remain significantly under-penetrated within our customer base.

In Q4, the team was again successful in closing expansion opportunities with a number of existing customers. A prime example is a local government agency in France with more than 3,000 employees, which has relied on Varonis for more than two years to protect their data on-prem. Like many Varonis customer, this agency was planning to move data to the cloud. During a risk assessment for their Microsoft Cloud data stores, we alerted them to ransomware attacks, which convinced them to add licenses for DatAdvantage for Azure, Exchange Online, SharePoint Online, OneDrive, as well as Edge. In total, we now provide them with 12 subscription licenses. This example further demonstrate that our path to double-digit license with other customers has never been clearer. With our acquisition of Polyrize, which closed in Q4, our capacity to provide more licenses will significantly increase.

We'll be well-positioned to address our customer needs as they move sensitive data to additional cloud application and infrastructure, delivering data protection through the necessary visibility, insight, and control. Today, Varonis is stronger than we have ever been. As I said, going into 2021, we are more than ready to take advantage of the digital transformation and execute on the market opportunity we see. We remain focused on the long-term opportunity as we move closer to our $1 billion target and beyond. With that, let me turn the call over to Guy. Guy?

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Thanks, Yaki. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We're pleased with our outstanding fourth quarter results, which helped us close a strong year despite the challenges. Last quarter, I said that the demand for our platform, combined with the power of our subscription model, is accelerating revenue growth and driving operating leverage. Q4 continued and validated both of these trends, with total revenues growing 31% and non-GAAP operating margins at 14.6%, both ahead of our expectations. To drill down into our top-line performance, we continue to execute across the three pillars that drive our business. First, landing new enterprise customers. Second, expanding within existing customers. Finally, strong renewals. On the new customer front, our strategy of focusing on larger enterprises continues to be successful.

We know our customers realize greater incremental value by purchasing multiple licenses. The ease of the subscription model allows us to deliver on that demand. New customers purchased on average more than five licenses, or about two times what was previously purchased under the former perpetual model. This trend increases our customer lifetime value through healthy renewals and future license upsell opportunities. As of December 31st, 2020, 63% of our customers with 500 employees or more purchased four or more licenses, up from 54% a year ago. At the same time, 30% of our customers purchased six or more licenses, up from 20% a year ago. The rapid growth of these metrics confirms that we are successfully unleashing the potential of our platform. This is also reflected in ARR of $287.3 million, which grew 37% year-over-year as of the end of Q4.

More than 98% of our total fourth quarter revenues were recurring, which helps provide visibility into future revenues. Our dollar-based net retention rate, or NRR, which accounts for the growth in ARR from all active customers, was 116% at the end of Q4. Turning now to the fourth quarter results in more detail. Total revenues grew 31% to $95.2 million and included a 99% subscription mix, compared to 82% a year ago. Subscription revenues came in at almost 100% growth year-over-year at $62.7 million. Maintenance and services revenues were $32.1 million, driven by renewal rates, which once again exceeded 90%. Looking at the business geographically, North America revenues grew 35% to $66.7 million or 70% of total revenues.

In EMEA, revenues grew 33% to $25.9 million or 27% of total revenues, and we are pleased that the subscription flywheel is now kicking in after a slower start in early 2019. Rest of World revenues were $2.6 million or 3% of total revenues. Turning back to the income statement, I'd like to point out that I'll be discussing non-GAAP results going forward. Gross profit for the fourth quarter was $84.4 million, representing a gross margin of 88.7% compared to 87.5% in the fourth quarter of 2019. Operating expenses in the fourth quarter totaled $70.5 million. As a result, operating income was $13.9 million or an impressive operating margin of 14.6% for the fourth quarter, compared to an operating loss of $2.4 million or an operating margin of -3.3% in the same period last year.

This continues to validate the strength of our model and our execution capabilities, which we anticipate will drive operating margin leverage going forward. In Q4, we again benefited from meaningful outperformance on the top line, ongoing prudent expense management, and like everyone else, COVID-related cost savings. During the quarter, we had financial expense of approximately $846,000, primarily due to interest expense on our convertible notes. Net income was $12.3 million for the fourth quarter of 2020, or earnings of $0.34 per diluted share, compared to a net loss of $2.8 million or a loss of $0.09 per basic and diluted share for the fourth quarter of 2019. This is based on 36.1 million diluted shares outstanding for Q4 2020 and 30.5 million basic and diluted shares outstanding for Q4 2019. We ended the year with $298.3 million in cash and cash equivalent marketable securities and short-term deposits.

For the three months ended December 31st, 2020, we generated $7.7 million of cash from operations compared to an insignificant amount used in the same period last year. We ended the year with 1,719 employees, a 9% increase from the fourth quarter of 2019, and an increase of 19 net new employees from the third quarter of 2020 as we continue hiring to support the growth of the business and take advantage of the opportunities we see in the market, with a particular focus on sales and R&D. I will now briefly recap our full year 2020 results. Total revenues grew 15% to $292.7 million, exceeding the high end of the original guidance we issued a year ago, pre-COVID. Our subscription mix was 99%, compared to 65% subscription mix in 2019. In 2020, 97% of our revenues were recurring.

Our operating margin was -1.5%, compared to -10.7% for 2019, again demonstrating the strength of our business. Before I turn to guidance, I would like to go over ARR one more time. As I have said in the past, we are not converting perpetual customers to subscriptions, and so ARR growth is primarily driven by ACV from new customers as well as net new subscription licenses to existing customers. As a result, 2021 should normalize closer to an apples-to-apples comparison with ARR tracking more closely to revenue growth. I also want to take a moment to discuss a few housekeeping items. We have historically provided the percentage of customers purchasing two or more and three or more product families, and while these metrics continue to trend positively, they are less relevant given our success selling more licenses to customers across the same product families.

As such, we will stop providing this metric in the future. We expect that CapEx in 2021 will be in the range of $10 million-$13 million. Lastly, we are announcing today a three for one split of our common stock to make it more accessible to employees and investors. Each stockholder of record on March 12th, 2021, will receive two additional shares of common stock for each then-held share. Trading will begin on a split-adjusted basis on March 15th, 2021. Our results and guidance have not been adjusted for the impact of the stock split. Moving to our guidance for 2021. For the first quarter, we expect total revenues of $68 million-$69.5 million, representing growth of 26%-28%.

We expect non-GAAP operating loss to range between $12 million-$11 million, and non-GAAP net loss per basic and diluted share in the range of $0.41-$0.39. This assumes 32.1 million basic and diluted shares outstanding. For the full year, we expect total revenues of $357 million-$366 million, representing growth of 22%-25%. We expect non-GAAP operating income to range between breakeven to $7.5 million, and non-GAAP net loss per basic and diluted share in the range of negative $0.16 to non-GAAP net income per diluted share of $0.03. This assumes 32.8 million basic and diluted shares outstanding and 36.9 million diluted shares outstanding respectively. In summary, we are proud of our Q4 and full-year results as we continue to execute on our strategy and capitalize on the long-term opportunity ahead of us.

I want to thank all of the Varonis employees for their outstanding contributions this year, and I know I speak on their behalf when I say we are excited going into 2021. Thanks for joining us today, and with that, we would be happy to take questions. Operator?

Operator

At this time, we'll be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from Sterling Auty with JPMorgan. Please state your question.

Sterling Auty
Managing Director, JPMorgan

Yeah, thanks. Hi, guys. I'm curious, what gives you confidence when you look at your business that the growth that you're experiencing now will continue post-pandemic? In other words, is there a concern that there was a massive pull forward of demand just on that shift to work from home that you outlined, Yaki, in your prepared remarks?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Hi, Sterling. We don't think that it's happened, the work from home. I think what happened is that we had acceleration of the overall digital revolution, and you have a lot of critical data in just many repositories. What happens is the data protection problem is something that humans can't manage, and this is the biggest problem. When you're talking about Zero Trust, it's just only the right people can access the data that they should access. This is where the world is going. There are stationary trends. There are some stopping pandemic from work from home that maybe are not here to stay, but there are very strong stationary trends, and one of them is just the overall digital transformation. More things becoming digital, more data is being generated, and there are more repositories. 365 was very strong growth engine for us.

Just the way that we sell the platform, we always envisioned that what's happening now will happen, that data protection, cybercrime, and regulation will collide. For us, at the beginning of the pandemic, when everybody dealt with business continuity and set up for remote work, we saw an uptick in the usability of the platform. It was not as easy to close business. Just every month that went by, what happened is that you had this new configuration, a new workload, and access to data. Just the risk increased leaps and bounds. From where we sit, we strongly believe that it's inevitable.

This is where things will go, and attacks will become much more sophisticated, and you will have many clouds and data on-prem and a lot of infrastructure and data repository and applications, and we are well-capitalized on protecting this digital universe and digital economy.

Sterling Auty
Managing Director, JPMorgan

That makes sense. One housekeeping, Guy, for you, now that we're at the end of the year, would you be willing to give us a total customer count update?

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

One of the things that we talked about in terms of the customer count is that we're not focusing so much on the number, we're focusing on the type of customers that we can acquire. A couple of years ago, we started focusing more on the larger type customers, and it's much more the quality of the customers that we can bring in, and that really helps us increase the customer lifetime value. We think that that metric is less. The number is less important for investors, and we're focused on increasing the customer lifetime value by getting in the right number, the right size.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Sterling, for us, the focus as a company on 1,000 users and above, and the business really changes. Not just that the subscription change, the company change in terms of the value that customers are getting, the licenses that they are buying, the time that it makes sense to spend with customers, the conversion of the pipeline, just a completely different business than two years ago.

Sterling Auty
Managing Director, JPMorgan

Understood. Thank you.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt Hedberg with RBC. Thank you.

Matt Hedberg
Managing Director and Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on a really strong year. I guess, obviously, you're seeing some really nice acceleration in trends and multi-product attach. I'm curious, how do you think the SolarWinds breach potentially, is that an accelerant to your business? I would think the importance of data governance, broad data security is even more important in a post-SUNBURST world.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Hi, Matt. The SolarWinds definitely increased pipeline in the fourth quarter, didn't affect deals. I think that from where we sit, what happened with SolarWinds is inevitable. What is really happening, this is something that is very important to understand, that you have a lot of state actors that are extremely sophisticated because this is where cyber war is happening, this skill is spilling to the commercial space. The other thing that happens is, with cryptocurrency, it's very easy to monetize cybercrime. If you have critical data, you are a target. When you are a target and you have these forces that are very sophisticated and a lot of these automated tools, they will be able to get to you. Traditional security products are critical, but really insufficient.

You need something like Varonis, and you need to go from the critical digital asset back. This is the critical data asset, this is the critical infrastructure, and this is what you need to protect. You have a lot of problems from service accounts and just so many ways to get in. I think that unfortunately, what happened with SolarWinds is just a canary in the coal mine. This is just the beginning. This is something that we will see. If you have critical data, someone wants it. We believe that you will see a shift in what's happening in security in order to be protected. There is also this constant tension between security and productivity. You want to develop, you want to develop fast. There is a lot of agility. Data is available all over.

You can collaborate and extract more value from the data, but much bigger diminishing returns. This is really where we play, and what really happened with COVID, that the market faster understand it, and we just have these secular trends that are driving the business. In the midst of everything that is happening, we also saw really uptick in the usability of the product, our ability to bring the customer to a very strategic value target. What's stemming from that is just a big increase in the product adoption and the overall customer lifetime value.

Matt Hedberg
Managing Director and Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's great. Then maybe one for Guy. Obviously, Yaki just got done talking about pipelines expanding and great profitability this quarter. You're guiding the street a little bit lower on margins next year. Can you talk about how you're thinking about that investment, vis-a-vis sales and marketing, perhaps, accelerating quota-bearing sales reps, R&D? Just trying to get a sense of the OpEx side of the equation as you look to 2021.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Absolutely. First of all, our philosophy hasn't changed. We want to balance both profitability and top-line growth. We want to continue to invest in a responsible way, but there's a huge opportunity in front of us. When you look at the margin improvement year-over-year, you can see that in 2019, we were at -10.7 non-GAAP operating margin, and that was obviously impacted by kind of the transition and the headwind on the revenue front. In 2020, we finished at -1.5% non-GAAP operating margin, and we're guiding now, for the full year 2021, with a 1% positive, on a non-GAAP basis, as our midpoint.

We're moving in the right direction, but we always try to match kind of the expenses with the revenues we plan to achieve, and the strong top-line growth really provides the opportunity for us to invest in the longer term in a responsible way. The two areas where we want to put the majority of the investments is in sales and marketing and R&D.

Matt Hedberg
Managing Director and Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Got it. Thanks a lot, guys.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Brent Thill with Jefferies.

Brent Thill
Tech Sector Leader and Software Research, Jefferies

Good afternoon. Yaki, just when you look at the growth of a lot of these new cloud-based systems, whether it's Teams or Slack or some of the other solutions, can you talk to, many investors are asking how you're providing kind of the next level of protection as these assets are exploding in usage in the corporate environment, what you're doing there and what you're seeing in terms of uptake. Maybe for Guy, as you come into this year, when you look at quota-carrying capacity, are you going to be on an increase and kind of take last year's group and make them more productive? How do you think about the shape of the sales hiring for 2021? Thank you.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Thanks for the question. First, we believe that there is tremendous opportunity, and for all these cloud data stores and the cloud applications, and everything we have done to our technology to regular on-prem data store Active Directory in 365, we can replicate there, and this is why we acquired the Polyrize. We just believe that with the same technology, we can then, the same playbook, with the same technological mode, we can do for all of these cloud repositories, and all of them are going to be very critical for our customers. We believe that it is tremendous for us what's going on now, just accelerating. The other thing that is tremendous, that also data on-prem is not slowing down. It's a very interesting phenomenon that you have this data sprawl all over the place, and humans can't manage it anymore.

You need a lot of automation and a lot of intelligence and very complex visibility and a very effective ability to alert on problems and to do forensics. This is where we are playing, and we believe that we are going to be the standard for SaaS and data repositories in the cloud for data protection, forensics, and user behavior analytics.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

To touch on the quota-carrying reps question, I think the answer very much relates to our philosophy and the way we looked at 2020. Yaki talked about this, and we talked about this throughout the year, where COVID didn't generate a short-term tailwind. It was a bit of a short-term headwind. In Q2, we still wanted to continue hiring quota-carrying reps, and every quarter thereafter gave us more and more confidence to continue hiring. You can see in Q4, we actually grew net new 90 employees in the quarter, which is part of the philosophy of taking advantage of the long-term opportunity. When we look at the quota-carrying reps, we're increasing it, and we have a larger component of them that are more matured, so we expect productivity gains.

I think all of that kind of sets us up for the 2021, and that's reflected in the guidance and the confidence we have in the business and in the pipeline.

Brent Thill
Tech Sector Leader and Software Research, Jefferies

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Saket Kalia with Barclays.

Saket Kalia
Director, Barclays

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions here. Maybe first for you, Yaki, a little related to the last one that was asked about Cloud Storage, can you just talk a little bit about your initial impressions around Polyrize? Looking out into the future, how you sort of envision the product portfolio once that's been fully integrated?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Yes. So far, we are very happy with the acquisition, very happy from the team, the technology, the culture of fit. We believe that it was a great move, and we are very focused on the integration and happy with the progress. There is still work to do, but as I said before, there is just massive potential. It's accelerated drastically, the time to market and everything that we want to do in the cloud. Eventually, we are going to have full integration, but this was a quality acquisition with a great team, and we are in the right direction, and next year, we are already going to see revenues from all the efforts.

Saket Kalia
Director, Barclays

Got it. Guy, for my follow-up for you. You touched on this on the prepared remarks, but I just want to make sure we ask about it. You clearly aren't guiding to ARR for next year, but how would you have us think about ARR growth conceptually versus revenue growth, which we clearly have through the revenue guide, and what some of the puts and takes might be between the two? Does that make sense?

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Absolutely. I'll give some color on ARR. We expect ARR in 2021 to track closer to revenue growth. The way to think about it, when we introduced the metric, it was when we announced the transition, and it provided visibility really into the strength of the business. I've mentioned this many times, but I'll say it again. ARR growth is really primarily driven by ACV from new customers, but also from net new subscription license to existing customers. We're not going to the base and converting our perpetual customers to subscription, which is why when you look at the apples to apples, having the 99% subscription mix, it should track much closer in 2021 to the revenue growth.

Saket Kalia
Director, Barclays

Very helpful. Thanks, guys.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Rob Owens with Piper Sandler.

Rob Owens
Managing Director and Analyst, Piper Sandler

Great, thanks for taking my questions. First, could you possibly talk about the integration roadmap with Polyrize and where you're at and where you might hope to be in terms of deliverables over the near term?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear. Can you please repeat?

Rob Owens
Managing Director and Analyst, Piper Sandler

Could you talk a little bit about the integration roadmap with Polyrize and where you're at right now, any incremental deliverables that you would hope to deliver on over the near term?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Yes. The integration is working very well. We have internal milestones that we needed to hit, and we strongly believe that we are going to hit them. As I said, we will see revenue next year. There are a lot of internal stuff that we need to do. The way that it will work, the beginning, it will be standalone with minimal integration, then just small integration, and within few cycles, it will be completely integrated to Varonis.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Just to emphasize, the revenue that we expect is in 2022. We don't expect any material revenue in 2021.

Rob Owens
Managing Director and Analyst, Piper Sandler

Great. Guy, as you look at the growing pipeline and you talked about the pillars, is that more related to land-expand, at this point? Can you give us a little more color how things are shaping up? Is it velocity or scale or both?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

It's both. It's both in the customer base and just new customers. I think what is very exciting is that we are doing it with the right customers in the segment of 1,000 users and above, 2,000 and above, really enterprise sales. We increased drastically the overall customer lifetime value. The other thing is the conversion rate of the pipeline. We're just getting high in the organization. It's a top priority. It's coming from CISOs, it's coming from boards. There is just a huge uptick in the usability of the platform. We feel comfortable where the pipeline is and how customers are using it, and the overall effort economy, where we spend our time with customers, how we bring them value, and the results that we can expect that are becoming more and more predictable.

Rob Owens
Managing Director and Analyst, Piper Sandler

Great. Thank you.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Yep.

Operator

Our next question is with Alex Henderson with Needham & Company.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research, Needham & Company

Great, thank you. I was hoping we could talk a little bit about what you're hearing as you're talking to CEOs, CFOs, CTO types, post the SolarWinds hack announcement. There's been a lot of discussion that there's been an increase in spending intentions for not just IT, but security specifically, and that budgets are going up. Have you had conversations with people that support that viewpoint? If so, how much do you think the Varonis segment of the market is being tapped on as part of that solution set?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Hi, Alex Henderson. This is what we do. We constantly talk with our customers, and I can represent mainly the view of Varonis. First, regarding SolarWinds in general, from where we sit, it was inevitable that something like that will happen and things like that will increase. It's just the cybercrime space becoming so big. Also insiders, and I said in the prepared remarks, they are the biggest risk of all, many, many times. What we see in budgets that related to us, we just see that people are mapping the digital assets and the problem and the risks and understand how they are going to mitigate it, because there is another huge problem, which is shortage of people to do it. Humans can't manage it. You have so much data all over the place. You need automation.

It's very hard to have actionable visibility to what's going on in the business side understanding. Sitting today, I can tell you that data protection, threat detection and response, and to be in compliance with these ever-complex, data-driven organizations, it's something that is very hard to do and a top business priority for organizations. You're starting to see these big budget buckets for insider threats and data protection and regulation that we are benefiting from them. We believe that you don't see it immediately, but people see today and understand, so many organizations got hit, people understand it can happen to me. This is not science fiction. It can happen to me, and when it happens, it's huge problem. You can lose your organizations.

How we're putting the right controls in place in organizations that are so data-driven and becoming more and more digital, and it generates a lot of chaos. There is a lot of tension there. In this kind of environment, Varonis shines. We believe that we see deeper budgets and more budgets allocating to us, and more senior people within the organizations want to understand how to protect the digital assets, how to protect the critical infrastructure, how to protect data that is going to the cloud, how to be in compliance with regulation, and we are going to benefit from it. I just think that what will happen, that things like that will increase, we'll become more productive, more digital, and the risk will increase. Organization that will not be able to manage this tension, it will be very hard to be in business.

We have a trust foundation that need to enable the digital transformation, that we believe that Varonis is going to play a critical part in this transformation and the ability to make sure that we can enjoy all the productivity gains without diminishing return.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research, Needham & Company

Just to be clear, you did not have any impact directly on your operations from being hacked, and you don't have any suppliers or anybody else that's been hacked that represent a threat to your operations. Is that clear?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Yes. Nothing happened to us.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director Security, Data Networking, and Optical Research, Needham & Company

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question is from Shaul Eyal with Oppenheimer.

Shaul Eyal
Managing Director of Research, Oppenheimer

Thank you. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Congrats on a strong performance and outlook. Another SolarWinds related question, from a different direction. Post the breach, plenty of discussion of what potential solutions might have been able to flag the breach ahead of its impact. Do you think, Yaki, do you view Varonis platform as potentially being able to prevent at least a portion of this massive attack? I have a follow-up.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Yes, without a doubt. Our ability to understand automatically what service accounts are doing, and even a service account like SolarWinds that is very sophisticated and doing million things and using different APIs, we can map it and understand any abnormal behavior. We can also prevent it. Customers understand that you need more of our licenses in order to do it. We're definitely a core player in solving these kind of attacks.

Shaul Eyal
Managing Director of Research, Oppenheimer

Understood. Yaki or Guy, are you beginning to see companies with bigger headcounts, say, greater than 5,000, 7,500, adopting or at least showing elevated interest in the Varonis platform?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Without a doubt, yes. Many of them. Definitely.

Shaul Eyal
Managing Director of Research, Oppenheimer

Got it. Understood.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Just to add on that, we have customers that have hundreds of thousands of employees. This product works at scale. We're targeting the larger enterprise organizations, and that's been working very well. We already have customers that are on the larger scale.

Shaul Eyal
Managing Director of Research, Oppenheimer

Understood. Thank you for the call. Good luck. Good job.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Hamza Fodderwala with Morgan Stanley.

Hamza Fodderwala
Vice President of Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. I want to talk a little bit about your goal to get to $1 billion in revenue. I'm wondering, have you guys, now that you're lapping your subscription transition, have you given any thought around the timeline for that? Do you feel like you have the product portfolio in place to get there?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

We're not giving timelines, but yes, we believe that we have the product portfolio to get there. We also believe that we have done most of the investments to get there. When you have lofty goals, the hardest thing is if you need to, in terms of the goal, if you need to do too many investments in order to get there, and you have too many unknowns, or it will take you too long of a time, you have less probability to get it. We believe that we have all the building blocks in place to get there. Incremental investments. We already have the product portfolio. We believe that we have very high chances to get it.

Hamza Fodderwala
Vice President of Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Got it. A follow-up question for Guy. Just, I know you mentioned Polyrize, not a material contributor to 2021. I believe it closed in Q4, was there any impact at all to ARR or billings, like even less than a point?

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

There was no material impact in Q4. When we build the guidance, we didn't bake in any material impact from Polyrize this year.

Hamza Fodderwala
Vice President of Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Thank you.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Chad Bennett with Craig-Hallum.

Chad Bennett
SVP and Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Nice job on the quarter, guys. Just maybe for Guy, possibly Yaki, just in terms of the guide for the year, could you provide just any type of color or directional movement just on the maintenance segment of the business? Sounds like retention rates are still best-in-class, high. You're not planning on converting any maintenance, so no real kind of transition risks there. What are your expectations for that line item? Just kind of up, down, flat, so to speak?

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

It's important to remember that the maintenance portion of the perpetual license isn't getting new fuel because we're basically not selling any material perpetual licenses, and you can see that in the 2020 numbers. We look at maintenance of perpetual in 2021 actually decreasing low single-digit percentages. We still have high renewal rates, but just because it's not getting any new additions, we expect that to be kind of the normal course.

Chad Bennett
SVP and Analyst, Craig-Hallum

With that implies I think, kind of an upper 40%, possibly 50% growth on the subscription line, which is phenomenal relative to any software company out there. When you look at the business from a new logo or net expansion standpoint, if I'm right on kind of backing into that type of growth rate subscription, how would you think about the relative mix of new logo versus net expansion, as you can see today looking into this year?

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

I think when we look at kind of the pillars that can drive the growth, we're very focused on acquiring new customers. That's always been kind of the focus for us, and that's part of the reason that from a commission perspective, if a rep wants to achieve 100% of their targets, they have to bring new customers. Not only do they need to bring new customers, they have to be at the right size. For most of the reps, it's over 1,000 employees. We're very focused on that aspect because we know that that drives the customer lifetime value. We also know that we're under-penetrated within our existing customer base. You can see that with some of the metrics that we provide. If you look at the 500 plus, we provide the four or more licenses and six or more licenses.

As nice as that growth has been over the last year, it's still under-penetrated. We have 30% in the 6 or more, so there's so much more to sell to our base. Going to that subscription model really allows us to unleash the potential. It really allows us to sell the platform. Customers see more value, and it's really a win-win. I would say that it's really a balance of those two. I think that the existing customer portion should be kind of the majority, just because we have such a large base, but we're very much focused on bringing new customers as well at the right size.

Chad Bennett
SVP and Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Maybe just one real quick last one for me, just on the net expansion. The NRR number of, I think you said, Guy, 116, I assume, again, because of that low penetration, when you think about net expansion, best in class of being mid 120s, 130 for top-top, do you expect that net expansion to continue to accelerate throughout the year from a growth rate standpoint?

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Absolutely. First of all, the average NRR for the year was 119%, and we've been a subscription company for only a year, so there's timing involved in this metric.

Chad Bennett
SVP and Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Right.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

With that fluctuation of timing, we discussed this in the past, that we will provide the metric on an annual basis. Like I said before, we have a tremendous long-term opportunity, and one of that growth drivers is expansion within the base. Overall, we're pleased with an average NRR for the year of 119%.

Chad Bennett
SVP and Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Got it. Thanks much. Nice job again.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Jason Ader with William Blair.

Jason Ader
Analyst and Co-Head Technology Group, William Blair

Yeah, thanks. First question for Yaki. Given your growth in the secular tailwinds in the space, are you expecting to see more competition? Where do you expect that competition to come from?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

At this point, if you're looking at all our sales campaigns that come through POC, we see less competition. It's something that is very complex to do. We're always making sure that we are increasing our competitive edge, but I'm just worried about my customer and the business and the roadmap. Make sure that we can add value and constantly innovate and execute on our plan. At this point, we see less competition. Where it will come from, I don't know, but we are stronger than ever, and we, and I, doing everything we can to keep this competitive advantage.

Jason Ader
Analyst and Co-Head Technology Group, William Blair

Do you think it would come more from the security players or from the repository platforms that integrate more data access governance?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

From the repository, it's something that is very hard to do, and from access and governance, they are not dealing with data. There is no one company that I can tell you that they have a technology or natural appeal, domain expertise within their engineering that they can organically and naturally extend to our space. It's just something that is hard to do. We believe that we can maintain for a long time, this competitive edge.

Jason Ader
Analyst and Co-Head Technology Group, William Blair

Okay, a follow-up for Guy. Guy, on Polyrize, could you quantify the dilution in 2021 or at least maybe how much OpEx you're expecting to spend for the year on the integration and just the added OpEx?

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

When we acquired Polyrize, the OpEx portion was very small compared to the Varonis expense side. We obviously are hiring more people to build that integration. That's already baked into the guidance, and we don't expect any kind of fluctuation. Everything is now part of the Varonis OpEx big expense number, there's nothing there that is too material.

Jason Ader
Analyst and Co-Head Technology Group, William Blair

It's fair to say that it all in with what you're doing on the integration. It's fair to say it is creating some dilution to the earnings in 2021, correct?

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

It's also creating the opportunity. I would say it's a very small dilution on the operating side. We're hiring more people now to build the integration. It's not something that would change materially the numbers for us.

Jason Ader
Analyst and Co-Head Technology Group, William Blair

Understood. Okay. Thank you.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Erik Suppiger with JMP Securities.

Erik Suppiger
Managing Director and Analyst, JMP Securities

Yeah, thanks for taking the question, and congrats on a good quarter. Can you comment a little bit on average deal size? You're clearly doing very well in terms of expanding the number of licenses the customers are buying, but can you translate that to either ARR per customer or what your deal size has done over the course of the last year? I've got a follow-up from that.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

One of the things that we have seen with our customers and our strategic decision to go upscale is that with the move to subscription, customers are happy to consume more of the licenses. We've seen customers buy, on average, close to double the amount of licenses that they were used to buy under the perpetual model. We've seen that number go and it is now more than five licenses under the subscription model. That really allows us to provide more value to those customers upfront and also increase the customer lifetime value. The other thing that we have learned is that the more licenses the customers own, the more value they see, and the higher the likelihood of them coming back and buying more.

That's part of the reason that we talk a lot about the commentary of the path to double-digit licenses on average per customer has never been clearer to us. From an ASP perspective, obviously that's impacted by the fact that they're consuming more of the licenses, and that really allows us to generate productivity gains and increase the customer lifetime value.

Erik Suppiger
Managing Director and Analyst, JMP Securities

Well, can you comment, if you've doubled the number of licenses that a new customer buys from the time they were a perpetual customer to a new customer, does that translate into a 2X in the lifetime value? Is that the way we can think about that?

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Well, don't forget that the actual price of subscription is lower than the price of perpetual. Obviously there's that impact. Our subscription price list is at 45% of the perpetual price list on the same license-to-license comparison. Obviously, I wouldn't say that it's double the customer lifetime value, but it's definitely increasing the customer lifetime value.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

The way to think about it, is what's happened is that the market and the world, this came to us, and this became the top priority for organizations. The ability to consume it in perpetual, it was impossible. What happened, we just reduced friction and made sure that they can buy it in subscription, and they can really consume the platform. Because we had such a tremendous growth in new licenses that adding more value and automation, and what's happening from that is they are buying more licenses and just the customer lifetime value increasing leaps and bounds. The ability just to say in perpetual, they would have this amount, and in subscription, the same amount, and how it looks from the customer lifetime value is not the right way to look at it.

The right way to look at it, that we enable the customers with the subscription to buy more licenses to get more automation, then they are buying more, and we have just drastically bigger coverage in terms of licenses and value.

Erik Suppiger
Managing Director and Analyst, JMP Securities

Okay, very good. Second question is, given the leverage that you did see, the margin expansion that you did see in 2020, you're guiding for a marginal, a relatively slight margin expansion, operating margin expansion in 2021. Is there anything that would change, that would cause the leverage that you're getting to slow? Do you anticipate an acceleration in hiring or do you anticipate any type of cost change that would slow the leverage that you've been driving over the course of the last year?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Our philosophy, as Guy said before, is always to balance profitability and the investment in the business. Sitting today, we look at the cloud, we look at the cloud on the SaaS level, on the IaaS level, we see just tremendous opportunity. In everything that we have done in the platform, we just see so much opportunity in our ability to build new innovations and to replicate the technology that we have done to the overall digital transformation. It's very easy to do extrapolation for the business in terms of unit economics. If you take a customer and you can double the amount of licenses and they are buying more and more, and you can scale faster, eventually you're becoming much more profitable. The eye of the tiger, as we always said, is just on the opportunity.

We are here to build a big company, and it was a lot of heavy lifting and hard work to get to this situation. We have done this record transition to subscription, and now we get to very good growth rates, and we want to make sure that we are building something big. In terms of the value and the overall, the long-term value of the company, we are not leaving anything on the table. We want to fulfill the potential of the opportunity. This is exactly what we are doing. In terms of the inherited, the profitability power of the business and the platform, it's very easy to do. We just want to get there gradually.

Erik Suppiger
Managing Director and Analyst, JMP Securities

Very good. Thank you.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Mark Schappel with The Benchmark Company.

Mark Schappel
Director of Equity Research and Analyst, Benchmark Company

Hi. Thank you for taking my question, nice job on the quarter. Guy, just one question, one for you. It was nice to see Europe rebound so strongly in the quarter, I was wondering if there's particular countries that are driving those good results in Europe. Also too, if you could just remind us of some of the changes you made in Europe to your European operations over the last year or so.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

I think the story of Europe, and we talked about it for the last year, was the fact that the European team adopted the transition to subscription slightly slower than the North American team. That's part of the reason that we expected the flywheel effect, to take place later in 2020, as opposed to the growth that we saw from North America. We have good presence in France and in the U.K., and we obviously are kind of around the rest of the countries in Europe, and we see that as a great opportunity. We still have territories that are under-penetrated in Europe that we see as the growth drivers for us in the upcoming years. Overall, I think that the teams that we have in place are strong, and we can see that in the results this quarter.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

Yeah, we have very strong teams in Europe, great customers, very good channel distribution. We did it when we decided that we move to subscription. We moved to subscription. We needed to do some changes that worked, and they were two quarters after North America. Everything that happened in the fourth quarter and everything that happened in EMEA, we were happy but not surprised.

Mark Schappel
Director of Equity Research and Analyst, Benchmark Company

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Joshua Tilton with the Berenberg Capital Markets.

Joshua Tilton
Analyst, Berenberg Capital Markets

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. The commentary around the secular trends and the strength in the business suggests that this shouldn't be the case, but I just wanted to confirm, are you seeing any meaningful change in the momentum of new or incremental subscription bookings growth going into 2021.

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

No. At this point, we see healthy pipeline, very strong usability. The 365 and Azure and all the move to the cloud is a tremendous growth engine for us. We feel that, as we said, the world is slowly but surely coming to us.

Joshua Tilton
Analyst, Berenberg Capital Markets

Okay. Just a quick follow-up. Microsoft announced a data governance product called Purview. It does seem a little incomplete today, but how do you guys think about that given that the Varonis platform is very geared towards Microsoft data stores?

Yaki Faitelson
CEO, Varonis Systems

We have a silver technological partnership with Microsoft, strong relationship. They have very good security products, but they are very different from what we are doing. At this point, Microsoft is just an enabler for us. We are very complementary, and they are an enabler. So far what they are doing is mainly pushing the business.

Joshua Tilton
Analyst, Berenberg Capital Markets

Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Thank you.

Operator

Our next and final question is from Rishi Jaluria with D.A. Davidson.

Rishi Jaluria
Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Hey, guys, thanks for squeezing me in. Great to see continued strong execution. I've got two questions just as it pertains to the outlook and guidance for next year. The first might be a little bit of a follow-up to Soup's earlier question. As we think about the margins for next year, Guy, you had mentioned in your prepared remarks that you have some COVID-related cost savings. How are you thinking about the sustainability of those cost savings, especially as we head into the back half of the year where, let's say optimistically, some level of business travel and teaming can come back? How should we be thinking about that? I've got a follow-up.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

When we built the guidance, obviously, we took into consideration what we know, but also kind of tried to bake in what we don't know, and we don't know when things come back to normal in terms of full flights and the way we've done a lot of marketing events that were physical in the past. We try to address and bake some of kind of going back to normal in the second part of the year, and that's already baked in our guidance. When you think about the expense as a whole, and I talked a little bit about it before, kind of the Polyrize acquisition, it isn't material. It adds, I'd say, roughly about 1% on the operating margin. Bake that in with kind of the investments that we're doing in increasing the headcount there.

When we acquired Polyrize, there were less than 20 employees. Now we're increasing that and putting more heads in R&D as a whole, and also in sales and marketing. We try to make sure that the overall expenses would be balanced and kind of committing to that year-over-year margin improvement, also trying to take advantage of the longer-term opportunity. It's kind of the philosophy hasn't changed, and we're trying to continue to do the same in 2021.

Rishi Jaluria
Analyst, D.A. Davidson

All right, got it. That's helpful, Guy. Just wanted to ask about seasonality. As we look out from here, it looks like your seasonality has been relatively consistent now versus what it was pre-transition. I get ASC 606 means it's not super clean and completely ratable. I would've expected maybe a little less seasonality than we would've seen under the perpetual license model. Can you, I guess, quickly explain why we haven't seen that big reduction in seasonality, how should we be thinking about seasonality going forward? Thanks.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Of course. With 606, and the way we have to recognize the license for subscription is that the license portion of the subscription is recognized upfront, and then the maintenance portion is recognized ratably over the term of the year. Because of that, the seasonality basically stays the same and very similar to the way we sold perpetual licenses, where Q1, from a dollar-based revenue number, is the lowest of the year, and Q4 historically has been the largest revenue number for the year. We expect that trend to continue. That's really kind of the 606 contributing to that.

Rishi Jaluria
Analyst, D.A. Davidson

All right. Wonderful. Thank you so much.

Guy Melamed
CFO and COO, Varonis Systems

Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of question-and-answer session, and I would now like to turn the call back over to James Arestia for closing remarks.

James Arestia
Director of Investor Relations, Varonis Systems

Thank you, everyone, for joining and for your interest today, and we look forward to speaking with everyone more this quarter. Thanks, and have a good night.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes tonight's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Again, thank you for your participation and have a great evening.