Greetings, and welcome to Verona Systems Inc. 4th Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Please note this conference is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, James Orestia, Director of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
Thank you, operator. Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today to review Varonis' Q4 and full year 2019 financial results. With me on the call today are Yaki Faitelson, Chief Executive Officer and Guy Malamed, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer. After preliminary remarks, we will open up the call to a question and answer session.
During this call, we may make statements related to our business that would be considered forward looking statements under federal securities laws, including projections of future operating results for our Q1 fiscal year ending December 31, 2020. Actual results may differ materially from those set forth in such statements. Important factors such as risks associated with anticipated growth in our addressable market, competitive factors, including increased sales cycle time, changes in the competitive environment, pricing changes, transition in sales from perpetual licenses to a subscription based model and increased competition the risk that we may not be able to attract or retain employees, including sales personnel and engineers general economic and industry conditions, including expenditure trends for data and cybersecurity solutions risks associated with the closing of large transactions, including our ability to close large transactions consistently on
a quarterly
basis our ability to build and expand our direct sales efforts and reseller distribution channels, new product introductions and our ability to develop and deliver innovative products, risks associated with international operations and our ability to provide high quality service and support offerings could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in forward looking statements. These factors are addressed in the earnings press release that we issued today under the section captioned Forward Looking Statements, and these and other important risk factors are described more fully in our reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We encourage all investors to read our SEC filings. These statements reflect our views only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. Varonis expressly disclaims any application or undertaking to release publicly any updates or revisions to any forward looking statements made herein.
Additionally, non GAAP financial measures will be discussed on this conference call. A reconciliation for the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures is also available in our Q4 2019 earnings press release, which can be found at www.varonis.com in the Investor Relations section. Also, please note that an updated investor presentation as well as a webcast of today's call are available on our website in the Investor Relations section. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Yaki Faitelson. Yaki?
Thanks, Jamie, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm thrilled to speak with you today as we review our 2019 performance and discuss our expectations for 2020. 2019 was truly a monumental year for Varonis for many reasons, none bigger than the pace of our transition to a subscription model. Going into the transition, we believe that customers who purchase 5 or more licenses were more likely to buy even more licenses because of the value they receive. What we didn't know was how eager existing customers would be to purchase additional licenses through subscription.
We also didn't know how well our sales force would take to the new model. A year later, it is an understatement to say that the transition has proceeded much faster than we expected. I will leave it to you to decide if this was the fastest transition in history, but in any case, I'm extremely proud of the team's strong execution and what they have accomplished this year. We just had our 2020 sales kickoff. I'm always excited to spend time with our colleagues from around the world, see their enthusiasm and hear about the differentiated value we deliver to customers.
The stories this year made it crystal clear that the power of our platform has never been stronger and the need for our platform has never been greater. Over the last year, we have truly transformed, building the foundation for a durable and scalable subscription business. This achievement speaks to how eager customers are to adapt our platforms through subscription and the urgency to reduce risk detect and respond to threats and address privacy and regulatory compliance in both on prem and cloud stores. Let's go over our results. For the Q1, total revenues were $72,600,000 with 82% of license revenues from subscriptions, exceeding our guidance of 75%.
For the full year, total revenues were $254,200,000 with 65% of license revenues from subscriptions. We are very pleased to have achieved the 65% full year subscription mix compared to our expectations of 10% at the beginning of
the year. As we look
at cross regions, North America had a very strong year, as the teams immediately embraced our subscription transition and quick time to value it creates for customers. After a slower starting in the year in 2019, the team has completely embraced the new subscription model and we feel good about the 2020 pipeline in that region. Before Guy discuss our financial results in great detail, I want to talk today about 3 strategic topics. 1st, the secular trends that continue to benefit Varonis second, the opportunity we see to continue to provide substantial value to our customers and finally, our evolution into a subscription business and how this will accelerate our flywheel and propel the business forward. First, let's discuss the secular trends, where everything starts and end with data.
With massive data growth both on prem and in the cloud, data protection is not a project with a finish line, but an ongoing challenge for CSOs that require data centric solutions. The number one problem in data protection is overexposed sensitive data. We have spoken many times how many exposed folders and files we find during a risk assessment. In 2019, we looked at over 1,000 organizations and found that they created on average over 1,200,000 exposed folders in a single quarter. These folders are open to every employee.
Why? Data growth, data migration, human errors and merger and acquisitions. Organizations now can either use automation to remediate these exposures or they can accept potential existential risk. At the same time, this threat landscape is becoming increasingly sophisticated. Powerful cyber weapons created by experts and even government agencies are now in the hands of common cyber thieves.
We see them every day as we help organization detect and investigate malware and invest persistent threats. Before we get there, we see that organization either detect very little or they are drowning in alerts. All of this is happening while companies face an evolving regulatory environment around data and privacy. This is the day to day reality for our customers, who are limited by scarcity of security talent. As a result, company increasingly turn to Varonis for the automation our platform delivers.
They get actionable insight into their hybrid data, meaningful efficient detection and rapid ongoing remediation. Our objective is to be the primary vendor for enterprise to protect their data, While we started in 2005 with one license, the Varonis data security platform has evolved over the last 15 years to 26 licenses across 6 product families and today addresses 3 premium use cases: data protection, privacy and compliance, and threat detection and response. The 2019 release of version 7 was a quantum leap forward for Varonis and for our customers with enhancements like new dashboard for Office 365, Active Directory and GDPR, SOLAR for dramatically faster investigations and automated data subject access requests. Our customers can clearly visualize the risk, perform accurate data classification at scale, detect and respond to threats and remediate data exposures, all more effectively and efficiently than ever before. And we installed version 7 during the risk assessment and show them where the sensitive data stored, stale or exposed on prem and on cloud data stores.
When we show them how they can rapidly detect and investigate attacks from insiders, malware and APTs, and when we show them our plan for getting things under control without much manual effort, our operational journey, it is very powerful selling tool. This is why the evolution of Varonis to a subscription company made sense and why in just 4 quarters over 80% of our license revenues are coming from subscriptions. Subscriptions allow customers to invest in more of our platform upfront, while leaving room for meaningful expansion over time. Customers who make larger initial purchases, the greater automated value, and we expect they will buy more products from us in the years to come. In selling the platform, our relationship have become much more strategic and we are spending much more time with our customers as we uncover more pain points and involve additional stakeholders within the customer.
We can address more use cases and help them reach their value targets. For example, during a risk assessment for a U. S. Financial institution, Varonis Edge flagged suspicious network activity from an account belonging to a former employee. Their CIO and VP of IT were convinced.
They were blind when it came to their sensitive data and needed Varonis to secure it and monitor for suspicious activity. In Q4, this company became a new customer, purchasing subscription for 6 products, including data alert, edge and automation engine. Now they are able to monitor threats from the perimeter and resolve their global data exposures reducing the risk in days, not months or years. Another example of a recent strategic win was a U. S.
County that decided to take proactive steps to avoid becoming the next victim. The risk assessment revealed nearly 25,000 folders and over 11,000 sensitive files open to every employee in the organization. All of these files would be at risk if even a single endpoint was infected with ransomware. In Q4, this county purchased subscriptions for Fiverr on its products. Now they will be alerted to suspicious events that could be early indications for an attack and automatically lock down compromised hosts before it is too late.
These are just 2 of many great examples of customers who can now invest in the Varonis platform and more quickly deliver value because of our transition to a subscription model. When we made the decision to transition, we knew that the rapid evolution of our business model required discipline and focus, and that we needed to manage change across a large organization. We had to put new compensation plan and convert a pipeline of 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars as quickly as possible. I want to thank our team for their remarkable joint effort in 2019 in transitioning the Varonis model at such a rapid pace. So what does all this means?
Simply put, we are focused on selling our platform and delivering value to customers. Our model transition make it easier to do so as customers are adopting a greater part of the platform more quickly in both the initial end and the following expansion deals. The secular trends and tailwinds and our focus on innovation has resulted in an integrated and automated platform to help our customers with highly complex security challenges. We are extremely pleased with 2019 and we know that execution in 2020 and beyond will accelerate our flywheel and propel us toward our $1,000,000,000 target. With that, let me turn the call over to Guy.
Guy?
Thanks, Yaki. Good afternoon, everyone. 4th quarter results capped an outstanding year of subscription transition with 82% of license revenues coming from subscription compared to our guidance of 75% and 62% year over year growth in ARR to $210,500,000 Throughout the year, you've heard me discuss the Q4, where we have the highest number of renewals as the final test in our subscription transition. Would existing customers adopt subscription on a large scale? The great news is that we passed with flying colors with the highest contribution from existing customers this year at 57%.
Not only did our existing customers renew the maintenance of their perpetual licenses, they added to their Varonis deployment with additional subscription model, far exceeding our expectations heading into the quarter. While this dynamic generated a modest revenue headwind this quarter compared to the Q3 contribution from existing customers of 50%, it underscores that we are a subscription company and the opportunity that we see ahead. Now let's turn to results. Total revenues for Q4 were $72,600,000 in the upper end of our guidance range despite the higher than guided subscription mix. 4th quarter license revenues were $38,400,000 which included $31,600,000 of subscription revenues.
New subscription customers continue to buy on average between 45 licenses in the initial deal compared to purchasing between 23 licenses under the perpetual model. Lastly, maintenance and services revenues were $34,200,000 Maintenance renewal rates on perpetual licenses once again exceeded 90% in the 4th quarter. As mentioned, ARR was $210,500,000 as of the end of Q4 and grew 62% compared to last year. This significant increase correlates with a much greater contribution we are seeing from subscription revenues, a more predictable and recurring revenue stream and reflects the underlying health of our business. Looking at the business geographically, North America revenues were $49,400,000 or 68 percent of total revenues.
In EMEA, revenues were 19 point $5,000,000 representing 27 percent of total revenues. Rest of World revenues were $3,700,000 or 5% of total revenues. We added 2 29 new customers during the Q4 and we ended 2019 with approximately 7,100 customers. Much like the previous few quarters, the difference in year over year Q4 new customer adds was again associated with the smallest user group, companies with fewer than 500 employees. As of December 31, seventy 6 Turning back to the income statement, I'd like to point out that we'll be discussing non GAAP results going forward.
Gross profit for the 4th quarter was $63,500,000 representing a gross margin of 87.5 percent compared to 91.7 percent in the Q4 of 2018. This reflects the higher mix of subscription revenues and our continued investment in our customer success teams to support the transition. Operating expenses in the 4th quarter totaled $65,900,000 As a result, our operating loss was $2,400,000 or an operating margin of negative 3.3 percent for the Q4 compared to operating income of $15,500,000 or an operating margin of 17 point percent in the same period last year. While the transition continues to have a short term impact on our financial results, we are committed to profitability and expect to show progressively improving operating leverage as we move through 2020 even with our continued investments to grow the business and capitalize on the market opportunity. During the quarter, we had financial income of approximately $339,000 primarily due to interest income.
Our guidance does not consider any potential impact to the financial and other income and expense associated with interest income or any impact related to foreign exchange gains on losses as we don't estimate movements in foreign currency rates. Our net loss was $2,800,000 for the Q4 of 2019 or a loss of $0.09 per basic and diluted share compared to net income of $17,300,000 or income of $0.53 per diluted share for the Q4 of 2018. This is based on 30,500,000 basic and diluted shares outstanding for Q4 2019 and 32,500,000 diluted shares outstanding for Q4 2018. Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the year with $120,500,000 in cash and cash equivalents, marketable securities and short term deposits.
For the year, we used $10,700,000 of cash from operations compared to generating $23,500,000 of cash from operations in 20 18. As a reminder, we are collecting on annual contract value amounts in this transition and therefore we continue to see a short term on cash flows. We ended the year with 15 74 employees, an 8% increase from the end of 2018. Moving to guidance. As mentioned in the previous earnings call, I want to reiterate that 2020 is a year of 2 halves.
In the first half of the year, the subscription mix will be significantly higher than it was in the first half of twenty nineteen when we were at the beginning of the transition. As a result, we will continue to face material revenue headwinds in the 1st and second quarter. At the same time, our expenses are relatively fixed. As a result, there will be short term pressure on our operating margins in the first half of the year, which we expect to alleviate in the second part of the year. Taken together, we expect that revenue growth and margin expansion will sequentially improve each quarter as we progress throughout the year.
For the Q1 of 2020, we expect total revenues of $59,000,000 to $60,000,000 representing growth of 5% to 6%. We expect our non GAAP operating loss to range between negative $17,300,000 to negative $16,500,000 and non GAAP net loss per basic and diluted share in the range of $0.57 to $0.55 This assumes a tax provision of $400,000 to $600,000 30,900,000 basic and diluted shares outstanding. For the full year, we expect total revenues in the range of $286,000,000 to $292,000,000 representing growth of 13% to 15%. We expect our full year non GAAP operating loss to be in the range of negative $27,000,000 to negative $24,800,000 and non GAAP net loss per basic and diluted share in the range of $0.93 to $0.89 This assumes a tax provision of $2,200,000 to $3,200,000 and 31,400,000 basic and diluted shares outstanding. Here are some additional points to consider as you think about 2020.
First, we handle foreign exchange rates by entering into hedging contracts. In 2020, those contracts result in an approximate 100 basis points headwind to operating margins compared to 2019, which is reflected in our guidance. 2nd, on a quarterly basis, we will be providing total customer counts only, starting with the Q1 of 2020. 3rd, we expect that CapEx in 2020 will be in the range of $10,000,000 to $14,000,000 And finally, we expect that the subscription mix in 2020 and going forward will be in the 90 plus percent range. In summary, this was an outstanding year for Varonis as our rapid transition to subscription has transformed the company and strengthened our fundamentals.
We feel good about the business and we will continue to invest while balancing growth and profitability, which has been our philosophy for many years. I want to thank the team for their contributions in 2019 and we are excited to continue our momentum in 2020. With that, we would be happy to take questions. Operator?
Thank you. We ask that you limit yourself to one main question and one follow-up. Our first question comes from the line of Brent Thill with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, guys. Thanks. This is Howard on for Brent. I have a question for Guy. I was hoping that you could help me reconcile to potentially conflicting data points.
So the 57% of license in 1st year maintenance attributable to existing customers, that was a significant uptick as you pointed out. But at the same time, the number of new customer adds, so the 2 29 this quarter, that's been declining about 20% over the last 4 quarters or so. So within the framework of land and expand, it might seem that more of the new business growth is coming from the expand portion. So is that a fair statement? And is that consistent with your internal plans?
Let me try and break that into the 2 components of it. When we look at the new additions, the new customer adds, in the last couple of years, we've been focused not only on the number of new customers we bring in, but on the quality of those when you think about the delta between the new customer adds that we've had in the last couple of quarters compared to the previous year, the delta really relates to the lowest user group, the companies with less than 500 employees and that's been very consistent with our strategy and that's been working very well. In terms of the existing customer, the license coming from existing customers, yes, as you point out, that was very healthy this quarter. We always said that Q4 was a test for us. We wanted to make sure that customers not only renew their maintenance of perpetual license, but add additional licenses with the subscription model and that worked very well for us in Q4.
We passed that test with flying colors. So the 57% of license from existing customers did generate minor revenue headwind compared to the guidance, but really shows how strong the business is and the reason we raised our 2020 subscription mix to be 90 plus percent.
Thanks guys. Thanks guys. And that's really helpful on the color on moving up market. And if I just may have a follow-up for Yaki, a related question on just on the renewal rates. So given now that you fully lapped the transition to the subscription model, any insights that you have to changes to renewal rates for the legacy on prem base that is now subscription?
That'd be helpful. Thank you.
At this point, we haven't seen any change. So for us, it's the same trend.
Let me add some color there. When we look at the renewal rate for perpetual license, maintenance coming from perpetual license, that's been over 90% and we're very happy with that. We don't see any change there. In terms of the renewal coming from the subscription from renewals there, we've seen in the past renewals as an opportunity to upsell to existing customers. We've actually seen that in the 2nd part of 2018 is when we had the pilot and we saw that, that came as an opportunity for us to actually upsell to customers in the 2nd part of 2019 as well.
It's still a small sample, but we're very happy with that.
Okay. Thank you, guys.
Thank you. Thanks, Howard.
Our next question comes from the line of Melissa Goham Franke with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.
Great. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe I'll start with Europe and just trying to understand what's going on there. It looks like the declines accelerated this quarter, but it's hard to understand if it's the subscription transition or if it's something fundamentally. Yaki, can you just maybe talk about what you're seeing in Europe and how the sales force has been adopting subscriptions in that region?
Yes. As you know, we started the year with some friction in Europe and we need to make some leadership changes. And it really took us close to 5 months to make sure that we have all our ducks in a row. And the top priority for the year was to move to be a subscription company. So we did really in 1 year what takes to most company that managed to do the transition 4 to 5 years and the Q4 mix in EMEA was better than the 82 percent mix for the company.
So we believe that we are in a good place. We feel good about the pipeline and the team is well positioned to do well in 2020.
Okay. That's very helpful. And a follow-up for Guy. I know you're not guiding to ARR growth next year, but wondering if you could just help us put maybe some parameters around what we should expect next year, particularly as we're getting into more difficult comps in the second half of the year? How to think about that relative to revenue growth?
Thanks.
Absolutely. So we talked about 2020 being the year of 2 halves. And when you think about the 1st part of the year, we still have some revenue headwind because the subscription mix in the 1st part of 2020 will be higher than the subscription mix we had in the 1st part of 20 19. So the revenue headwind will actually have kind of the reverse relationship in terms of ARR. We should see ARR grow at a higher number there.
And then in the 2nd part of the year, where it's much more apples to apples on a revenue basis, the ARR should be closer to the revenue growth. And that's kind of the way to think about it throughout 2020.
Got it. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Matt Hedberg with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Obviously, the ARR growth was impressive well above where I think a lot of us were thinking this quarter. And I guess to follow-up on Melissa's question, thinking even a little bit longer term, so not just 2020, but longer term. Now that we're through the effectively the end of the transition and that mix is now 90% plus, is there a way that we should think about a framework for sort of like sustainable ARR growth or maybe said differently just underlying market growth?
I think it's kind of helpful when we think about even longer term than just 2020?
Yes. Hi, Matt. So I think that the overall the underlying market growth, what we see empirically is that anybody with unstructured data and critical infrastructure need Varonis. What is really changed significantly is our ability to go up market in a very predictable way and also that customers are buying much more. The overall customer lifetime value when we engage with the customer in the right way, really increasing leaps and bounds.
Just to understand, we are doing extremely well with everything that's related to the cloud with 365. We have 6 licenses there. We have Azure AD and OneDrive Online and SharePoint Online and Exchange and the 2 DCs. So when we engage with customers, we can take so much more and add so much more value. For us, when the transition will kick in, so when the flywheel will kick in, the higher mix subscription will start to kick in, in the later quarters of this year.
We believe that we can do we can start to show overall very healthy growth and we can when we believe that we can maintain 20 plus percent growth for a long time.
Super helpful. And then, I know, Yaki, you've talked about one of the byproducts of this transition has been reduced friction in sales processes. And concerning how quickly you move through this transition, when you think about 2020, are there additional steps that you're taking from a go to market perspective to maybe even further reinforce the value proposition that you guys deliver today?
We changed so many things. We have this the way that we go to market, we have what we call the value QBR, the way that we are mapping how we are taking the customers to value and we also see that all the products really working. We really sell everything in the platform. And the big change, Matt, was that customers are willing to spend a lot of time with us. We see more C level people.
We are our board is being used by and the reports by business people. And what we want to make sure is that we'll master this skill. That from being very opportunistic and starting small and growing, we need to start big and grow bigger. We see that many customers are starting with 6 licenses and we just see a path with many, many, many customers and prospects to go to 12, 15 and more licenses. There is just a clear path.
And in 1 year, I can tell you that it's a completely different business, completely different sales motion and completely different way that the customers are getting the value. We're just becoming so much more strategic with our customer base and really was how the platform is fitting to the overall market condition and our ability to spend more time with customers and then they are bringing the right people and we are able to show them in a very quantifiable way how we are providing business value immediately and ongoing.
Super helpful. Thanks.
Thanks, Matt.
Our next question comes from the line of Alex Henderson with Needham. Please proceed with your question.
Great. Thanks very much. Great job guys, really impressive. I was hoping you could talk a little bit about deal process time and deal sizes and what the pipeline looks like. Clearly, selling a subscription is a little bit harder exercise than selling perpetual.
You had a very tight pattern around perpetual. Has that lengthened the process time to get deals done? And obviously, you're selling a lot more subscriptions. I would assume that's also in turn increasing deal sizes. Can you give us any sense of those two dynamics and what the pipeline of leads looks like?
Thanks.
Yes. Thank you. So in terms of the sales cycles, they are relatively they relatively stay the same. But in terms of our time to spend with customers, we spend more time with them and they are willing to spend much more time with us and we are able right off the bat just to sell them to sell them more licenses. So this is really what we see, the ability to sell more of the platform upfront and overall ongoing.
And one of the things that we see now that most of our pipeline now is subscription pipeline. Last year, we almost forcefully were really transitioning from perpetual to subscription and Q4 was a huge test, Alex. Getting into Q4 that it's CapEx heavy and to do this 82%, we so part of the team. It was just an unbelievable achievement. And now that everybody knows, the customer knows and all of our sales people that this is done.
We are a subscription business and all the pipeline and most of the quotes is a subscription pipeline. It's we are in a very good position just to sell the platform and in significantly frictionless way to get these subscription deals. And Alex, just to add on
that, when we sold perpetual licenses, we usually had in the initial sale between 2 to 3 licenses. We saw under the subscription model that new customers buy between 4 to 5 licenses. We saw that in the 1st three quarters of 2019 and that was consistent in the Q4. So we're very happy. And the increase in number of licenses hasn't changed our sales cycle.
Okay. One last question, if I could, just follow on there. To the extent that you're selling now a lot more license, getting a lot more automation upfront, I assume that the installation happens faster as well as a result of that and time to value happens faster. So is there also now that you've got a year's thanks, Sak. In terms of actual Thank
you. Thanks, Ark. In terms of actual installation, it's the same, but when they are buying more licenses, they get extremely fast automated value. And this works very well. And we still have just initial indicators.
So we can say that these are stationary trends. Once we understand it more, we are going to communicate to you what exactly we see. But we just want to make sure that these trends are really solid before we are telling you that this is something that it's worth to pay attention to.
Great. Thanks for the call.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Saket Kalia with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, Yaki. Hey, Guy. How are you guys doing?
Good. Thank you.
Yes, absolutely. Hey, Guy, maybe first for you. Maybe thinking about the subscription transition from a slightly different angle from expense perspective actually, I believe there were strong sales incentives this year to really encourage that behavior around leading with subscription, clearly was very successful program. I guess now that we're at the tail end of that transition, how does sales comp change high levels of course, but qualitatively to really maybe start to drive more leverage in the business?
Let me try and break that question on the commission side, but also take the opportunity to talk a little bit about the expense as a whole for Q1 2020. And I'll start with the comp. When we looked at the comp, we had to make sure that the sales reps are incentivized to do the right thing. I think the comp plan was done very well in the sense that it rewarded the reps for doing things that were beneficial for the company. And we're keeping most of that going forward.
There's not any major changes going into 2020. The only small component is that we're dealing with OPS renewals, with subscription renewals, which were compensating the reps, but obviously at a lower percentage than bringing new business and that kind of relates to the comp. In general, in terms of the expense side, because this is a year of 2 halves and we talked about that in the prepared remarks and in one of the previous questions, and the expenses are relatively fixed and that really results in some short term pressure on operating margins in the first half of the year. But that should be alleviated in the second part of the year, and we expect to show sequential margin improvement going through 2020.
Got it. That's really helpful, Guy. Yaki, maybe as my follow-up for you, I think we mentioned earlier that in the maintenance business, the renewal rates there, I think continue to be pretty strong at 90% plus. I guess the higher level question is, how do you sort of envision maintenance customers over time? I mean is there an opportunity to maybe more proactively convert them to subscription?
Or is that just going to be more of a natural evolution for them to opt in for subscription? Does that make sense?
It makes sense. But for us, we are selling subscription. And what is the maintenance subscription, it's a subscription business. And what we want to do is just to make sure that everything else they are buying is going to be just subscription. And what is very important for us is that the subscription model let us really unlock the potential of the platform.
So what is important for us is to go to these customers that have 2, 3, 4 licenses and make sure that within 2, 3 years they will have 15 licenses. And we believe that with many of them we have clear path of how to do it. So we have this tremendous base with so much potential. We now have a clear path in terms of budgets and their ability to buy it is just to say, let's do everything. Let's make sure that you're protected on prem and in the cloud and have all the automation and really addressing the 3 use cases, everything that's related to data protection and privacy and compliance and threat detection and response.
And we just believe that we have a clear path. And this is how we also just think about the transition. In 1 year, we transitioned and we also really hitting a very nice scale. And this is because the base is buying. And as Guy said, Q4 was the ultimate test, because it's customers that are usually buying perpetual and have this perpetual renewals, they are coming and just buying more and more with subscription.
So after the Q4, I can tell you that we really have clear visibility and a lot of evidence from the base that we can take this enormous asset that we have with the 7,000 customers and really make sure that they will use the platform and increase drastically the overall customer lifetime value.
Very helpful. Thanks guys.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Gur Talpaz with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, this is actually Chris Spiroz on for Gur. And Yaki, to just piggyback on what you just were describing, The subscription model continues to yield 4 to 5 licenses upfront versus 2 to 3 for the perpetual model. With more than a full year of subscription selling and a better understanding of the subscription renewal process, how should we think about the degree to which the subscription model can enhance potential customer LTV in the long term?
It's drastically. We just see now that all the products are working and customers are really trying to buy everything that we have for these 3 use cases. And it just makes sense for us to spend a lot of time with them and when they are buying more initially, it's much easier to upsell and just every sales campaign becoming so much more predictable.
That makes a ton of sense there. And one more in regard to the competitive environment. Historically, Varonis would encounter a competitor while performing a risk assessment in 1 out of every 30 or so assessments. Does this remain the case or has your persisting outsized growth resulted in a more crowded market?
No, we don't see more competition. In terms of the competition landscape, it's the same.
Thanks, Chris.
Our next question comes
from the line
of Chad Bennett with Craig Hallum. Please proceed with your question.
Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Nice job on a strong year end. By my math, the EMEA business from an execution standpoint did really well in the Q4. So congrats on that.
So I guess, Guy, if we look at the guide for fiscal year 2020 and the implied growth rate on the subscription side, it's 90% plus of growth. And I think a lot of people are trying to ask us in different ways. But if we're we kind of look at whether it's net new growth in that 90% number or cross sell, up sell in that number, kind of how would you think about what's going to drive subscription growth this year? And maybe you have targets on where you end in terms of 2 plus products and 3 plus products and so forth that you'd care to share? Thanks.
Thanks for the question. I think the subscription transition really unleashed the platform's potential. So we saw both new customers buying more licenses as I discussed in the previous question, but we also saw our existing customers embracing this transition and buying licenses under the new model. So when we think about what's going to drive 2020 and the reason we kind of upped up that subscription mix to be 90 plus percent goes back to how well we felt Q4 was. Q4, as we talked in the prepared remarks, was really a test to make sure that customers are buying and the existing customers not only renew the maintenance of perpetual, but they buy additional not only renew the maintenance of perpetual, but they buy additional licenses under this new model.
So when we think about 2020, we think that both new customers will continue to buy subscription. We think that we have a tremendous opportunity within our existing customer base for them to buy additional licenses under the subscription model. And also, like I said before, the renewal of subscription is an opportunity to upsell to those customers. So all of those components together give us kind of the confidence to the 90 plus percent number we guided for.
And the renewal on the subscription customers that you're lapsing or annualizing, I mean, do we think that uplift is kind of a 20% CAGR annually? I'm thinking in terms of like a net expansion number, maybe it's too early to talk about that, but how should we think about that if you care to frame it in any way? Thanks.
Absolutely. So the right way to look at it is looking at the NRR, but the NRR kind of the earliest to have meaningful data is at the end of this year. So we don't want to jump the gun and jump the conclusions. We feel that the numbers are healthy, but the right way to look at it is at the earliest at the end of this year.
Okay. Thanks guys. Nice job.
Thank you. Thanks, Chad.
Our next question comes from the line of Rishi Jaluria with D. A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, guys. This is Hannah on for Rishi. Thank you for taking my question today. I know you guys have mentioned spending more time with customers now under this new model. And I was wondering if you could talk about if the role of resellers has changed at all under the subscription model.
So any color you could provide would be great. Hi.
The role of resellers didn't change, but we feel that we became significantly more important to the partner community just because the annuities, they have these very nice deals that customers can renew every year. So it makes sense for them to support their customers and support the effort they can get from Varonis every year much more. So overall, it didn't change, but we definitely becoming much more important to the main partners.
Okay, great. Then I know it might be a little early for this question, but is there anything you can mention about the growth trajectory of what a customer looks like beyond the adoption of initial purchase and if you've noticed any trends more broadly among new customers?
We can't mention it now like just a trend in what we can expect from every well, everything that's related to 365 and we can see that customers can exponentially grow the amount of licenses that they have.
Great. Thank you.
Thanks, Hannah.
Our next question comes from the line of Daniel Ives with Wedbush Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Yes, thanks. So when you guys get into a deal and you actually get an assessment, I mean, what percent of those deals from a high level you think you're winning?
So we don't actually break down the numbers, but let me give you some color. When we are able to get into the room, the right people high enough within the organization and we can get the CISO in and we show the risk assessment, that's kind of the jaw dropping moment when a lot of the companies realize how vulnerable they are and how much sensitive data sometime is just sitting there. So it really is a question of who we get in the room and when we have the right people in the room, the rates are really good.
Great. Okay. Look, I asked the last quarter, I asked again, Guy, when's the subscription ARR in the quickest time that most people have ever seen seminar? Could you just let us know? Thanks.
I told you, we signed you up as the first participant.
Okay. Just let us know in 2Q. Thanks.
Thanks, Dan.
Our next question comes from the line of Shaul Eyal with Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Hi, good afternoon, guys. Trying to build on some prior questions from an ARR perspective, and I know I might have been a little late to the call. Is there any magic number from a subscription perspective or subscription customer needed to sustain the strong ARR growth we've seen? I know, Yaki, you mentioned before SICK subscriptions.
Because look, the shift to subscription has really accelerated modules adoption, but you guys have an additional, I think, like 18 to 20 additional modules to upsell. So how should we be thinking about it within this framework?
Hi, Shaul. We have close to 25 licenses and we really believe that many of our customers can use a lot of them. So I think that with time, we'll see how the trends are working. But just initially, we saw that so many of them are getting more than 10 licenses. So we still can't have just a plug number in terms of licenses and ARR, but we understand very well how the value works and how the overall customer lifetime value works.
So the main thing that we can tell you that the model is really unlock the ability of our customer base to consume the innovation and get much more value.
Understood. And as we think about the ongoing investments into 2020, I think also guiding the context of 2 halves over the year. Where is it exactly that you guys are putting money to work? And I think also from a geographic perspective, how should we be thinking about it?
So the way we're thinking about the investments is really kind of across the board. In terms of the sales department, we want to invest and hire sales people because it takes us up to 12 months to get a rep in the mature territories to be fully productive. We want to put that investment to work, knowing that we have some short term pressure because of the headwind of revenue, but it still makes a lot of sense to make those investments right now on the sales front. We've also had tremendous ROI on investments we had on the R and D department and we want to continue to invest there. And on top of that, we're investing in customer success and professional services to support the subscription transition.
So our philosophy hasn't changed. We want to continue to invest in a responsible way because we're focused not just on the growth side of things, but we're focused on profitability. And we've always had that in mind, and we're continuing we are very committed to profitability. We just understand that there's some short term, kind of wins because short headwinds because of the revenue side, but we're trying to invest wisely on all fronts. In terms of the geographies, I'd say in terms of the investments, mostly in North America because of the potential that we have there and kind of the second in line is EMEA.
Understood. Well done, guys.
Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of our question and answer session. And I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. James Orestea for any closing remarks.
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