Welcome to ViaSat's FY twenty twenty one Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call.
Your
host for today's call is Mark Executive Chairman and Rick Baldridge, President and CEO. You may proceed, Mr. Dankberg.
Okay. Thanks for joining us today. I'm Mark Dankeburg, Executive Chairman of BioSat. And we also have with us Rick Baldridge, our President and our new CEO Sean Duffy, our Chief Financial Officer Bruce Dirks, our Treasurer and Paul Frohlich, VP of Corporate Development. So we hope you've had time to review our shareholder letter that was posted on our website that provides information on our second quarter and year to date financial performance as well as our current overview.
So today's call is primarily going to be questions and answers. But before we start, let's have Robert provide our open Robert Blair. General Counsel, missed Robert. So now let's have Robert provide our Safe Harbor disclosure.
Thanks, Mark. As you know, this discussion will contain forward looking statements. This is a reminder that factors could cause actual results to differ materially. Additional information concerning these factors is contained in our SEC filings, including our most recent reports on Form 10 ks and Form 10 Q. Copies are available from the SEC or from our website.
Okay. Thanks, Robert. So before we take questions, I did want to point out that today we announced that Rick has assumed the President and CEO role and I've become Executive Chairman. So it's really the next step in a process we've been working on for a couple of years as part of our long term approach to management succession. I held the CEO title for almost thirty five years.
Rick has really been doing most of the executive management for the last few years. I'm really happy that he's accepted the CEO position. We've been a close team in building Viasat for more than two decades. And so I think this is really truly going to be a seamless evolution. He's got the confidence of our people, our customers, our board and our investors.
And it's a great outcome for the company. Personally, I'm not going anywhere. With Rick taking on the CEO position, I'm going to be able to focus more fully on our technology and business strategies and also on the overall space regulatory environment, which is essentially being figured out on a national and global scale in real time now. It's what I've been doing most of the time for the last couple of years anyway. So Rick, congratulations and now over to you.
Thanks, Mark. I'd like to say it's
been a great ride, but I really think our best years are still ahead of us. So I think we've captured the transition in the shareholder letters. Let's just say that I'm looking forward to the challenge, and I appreciate the confidence of the Board and especially Mark. So now for the fun part. We've had a great quarter.
COVID continues to bring challenges for all of us, but we've managed through it really well so far, even with the tailwinds from the IFC that were supposed to without the tailwinds of IFC, were supposed to be a big driver this year. We're exceeding expectations across the rest of our business, dollars 1,500,000,000.0 in new awards for the first half of the year over $2,000,000,000 in backlog, not included in another nearly $3,000,000,000 in IDIQ awards that still haven't been the details haven't been awarded government services in outstanding shape. Overall, we had a 1.7 book to bill for the first half. Our fixed broadband business has been a great source of strength for us in The U. S, and now we've rolled it out completely across Brazil.
Even in the IFC, we continue with our market share momentum with exciting new win with KLM that we just announced. And ViaSat-three continues to hit milestones even with some minor schedule slippage, mainly due to the pandemic and its impact on us and our suppliers. We're getting ready to hand over the payload to Boeing and are zeroing in on one year before our first launch of the first of the three satellites. We're looking forward to what we think will be a really good year for growth, setting us up for an exciting 2022, FY 'twenty two as our Constellation begins to enter service. With that, let's go on to questions.
Thank you, presenters. We have our first question from Rick Prentiss. Your line is open.
Good afternoon. First, Mark, it's been great working with you. I'm glad you're not going anywhere. And Rick, also been good working with you. Congrats on the promotion.
Thanks.
I want to talk some more high level items first on a busy afternoon and earnings season. Been a lot of movement in the in flight connectivity landscape out there. Intelsat proposing to buy Gogo, Inmarsat with a collaboration with Hughes. Take a second and just walk us through the business. COVID obviously has hit it.
How do you see the timeframe for recovery? And then how do you see the competitive landscape playing out?
Well, we're from a recovery standpoint, it's obviously the airlines are leading the way. So we're talking to each one of our customers and getting their feedback. They're very cooperative in sharing kind of fill rates, what their expected fill rates are, aircraft retirements, when they plan on having MAXs back in. Kind of
following their lead. And we had
a little uptick in the summer and then
it flattened off a little bit.
But quarter over quarter, we were up a little and we're seeing a little bit more demand. Some of the guys are saying it's going to take three or four years to fully recover. Some of the guys are saying it's two years. So we've got an outlook, but the thing that's encouraging for us is through this cycle, we've continued to get a bunch of RFP traffic, and so with airlines that were not on yet. The KLM was a win we actually had a quarter or so ago, but we couldn't announce it.
We've had more and more RFP activity through the cycle. So we're encouraged. I think people want high quality service. I think I get lot of different views from the industry analysts in terms of recovery. And they're just off the of the map, quite frankly.
So we have our own outlook. Mark, do you want to talk about kind of the what's going on with the other players in the industry?
No, I think that our approach, which is vertically integrated and based on a lot of usages is the right model. I think we're still really early. I think we're very well positioned in that. I also think there's going to be business model evolution. One of the things that we did point out in the letter is that we're doing more work in with some of our airline partners and being able to offer passengers more free services, come up with a way to make in flight connectivity a revenue source for the airlines instead of a cost center.
And I think that the amount of bandwidth that we have available on the airlines that we work with is a really unique competitive advantage for us to be able to do that. That's a lot of our focus in the near term. Think we're more focused on making that and what's going on with competitors. And do
you expect further consolidation or changes in the industry in the short term or medium term?
Yes, I wouldn't be surprised.
Okay. And the second high level question, we're obviously, and you probably are too, getting tons of questions about Elon Musk's SpaceX Starlink beta test. Can you talk a little bit about how you view the beta test? How competitive is it? What it means to your kind of your game that you're running out there?
Just help us shed a little light on your view of the beta test.
Yes, sure. So one is we've been expecting them to roll out the beta testing and saying they're going to do it. And the beta pretty much what we thought they would do. It's still a beta, but we expect that they're going to manage things so that the service is good. I mean, they have a small number of users on
a lot of satellite. So it should be
really good right now no matter what. And so that's what we're expecting. But there's also a lot of demand in the market now already more than we can serve. And what we've seen is every time we've made a meaningful improvement in the speed and bandwidth that we offer, our addressable market has grown. I mean, we can sell more services into areas that we didn't sell before.
So ViaSat-three that's our plan to be able to make major improvements in both speed and bandwidth. So we expect the market is going to grow significantly. Obviously, that's what they're intending to do is offer more speed and bandwidth too. So the market will we think the market will grow from what it is now and we'll get our fair share of that. I would want to point out that we already have tens of thousands of subscribers that have 1,500 megabit per second plans and they're pretty happy.
We've got moving room. So we can be competitive in the interim even before ViaSat-three to the extent we choose to. And also, we've been pretty clear that we think that lots of bandwidth for streaming video is going to be a really important factor in a lot of buying decisions and that's going to be a really rapidly growing reason for growth in satellite broadband. And we think we're going to do really well there.
And how important is latency because obviously the LEOs make a point of they have lower latency than the GEOs might. How important is that in the marketplace as you see it?
So two things. One is we do think latency is important. We don't think it's decisive, right? I think the thing that we've seen that's really the most decisive is being able to get a lot of bandwidth, especially for video streaming. And that if you can do that well, that's more important.
So that's why we've been so focused on the bandwidth economics and the volume. And so I think we're going to do well there. Now, we've also said that we think that latency is it's important, right? It's just not as decisive, but it is important. And so we've been working on multiple ways to be able to deliver low latency through our system as well.
We talked for a while about doing services where we combine terrestrial and satellite. We've got our own beta tests of that in the market. And actually it's gone pretty well. There's definitely technical complications there. But one the things we found is that when add low latency terrestrial to our satellite service that people's satisfaction goes up.
So that's good. So do that, we've been doing it with wired, so that's generally been DSL. We are expanding to be able to do it with wireless. And I think that will allow us to scale that up. And so I think the point being that LEO is not the only way to achieve low latency at scale.
But I think that we look at it as kind of it's a sweetener or it can be a tiebreaker for sure, but we think speed and volume is really the most important parts.
Great. Thanks guys and congrats again.
Okay. Thanks, Craig.
We have our next question from Rich Valera. Your line is open.
Thank you. Let me add my congratulations to Rick and Mark on your new positions and best of luck in them. So just continuing on the IFC market, it sounds like you saw some improvement quarter over quarter, I guess big in percentage terms, but I'm guessing in absolute terms still pretty well off of where you were pre COVID. I wonder if you could give us a sense of just where that business stands, the IFC business relative to pre COVID levels. And then just give us a sense congrats on the KLM win, but could you give us a sense of what the rest of your IFC pipeline opportunity looks like?
Is that pretty active right now? Are airlines in survival mode? Or are they looking at sort of next gen in flight connectivity at this point?
We're about we're still less than half running less than half of what we were running pre COVID. I mean, it was down for a while, where it was down to so we have different types of contracts with different customers. So it was early on, it was down close to 90%. But we're still under half and as we recovered about five percentage points or so in the quarter from where we were in the previous quarter. So it moved up.
What we're seeing is fill rates on airplanes increasing. And kind of what we're looking for, and they started a little bit this quarter bringing some airplanes additional airplanes back online. And certainly, American has said they plan to start bringing some of the MAXs back online
hopefully by the end of
the year. So that's really what's going to drive growth back into that business. So one of the things that caused it to be off so much was we had so many terminal deliveries last year. Obviously, people aren't doing a lot of installation on the aircraft right now. So we expect that to start back up again early
in
the calendar year. So those are the think those are the biggest changes. Our in terms of backlog, our the backlog we have is still there. One of the things is it's mostly on new aircraft and or newer aircraft and retirements that are occurring or on some of the older aircraft. So if everything was static just from a share standpoint, we think we'd pick up share.
And then like I said, the RFP activity is pretty broad. I don't think you're going to get you're
not going to get us
to talk about which airlines are going to make it or not make it or where they are. But the discussions are very, very active.
Thanks, Rick. You guys just had a nice announcement with respect to the rollout service in Brazil.
Can you talk about
the materiality of maybe your rural kind of Latin American service in general? I know you the materiality of maybe your rural kind of Latin American service in general. I know you've already had an initiative ongoing kind of in Mexico, Central America for a while. But can you talk about in aggregate the scale of that and when that might be a material driver of revenue in the service business?
No, it's not material. When you say material, I don't know how to define material. It's not we certainly continue to be dominated by The U. S. Residential business, but it's growing fast.
So it's growing probably a little faster than we would have thought. We paused for a little while down there while we got some of the tools in place, But it's growing very fast. So we think with that, we actually have launched kind of a small launch in Africa. We've got stuff going in Guatemala. We've been in Mexico for a while.
With this Brazil ad, pretty quickly, I think we're going to we're thinking about how to start showing numbers that include the international adds to our overall data. But we're I'd say we're not quite ready to do that, but we'll be ready pretty soon. I think we've announced that the GSAC program, which is a government program, and we've announced some of those numbers about a few quarters ago. But the residential process, we've just like we said, we just finished the countrywide launch. So we weren't quite ready to start throwing those numbers out there yet.
It. I think one
of the things to keep in mind, right, as far as Latin America really starts to scale and grow with ViaSat-three with that additional capacity and range.
Got it. That's helpful. And then just one more if I could on the government business, fantastic bookings there for the second quarter in a row. It sounds like you're pretty confident of seeing strong growth in the second half.
Rick, can
you just talk about what programs
government business has been a mix kind of we've talked about for quite a while. One area is the tactical data links area, one area is the information assurance and cybersecurity area and the other is the satellite part. And I would say we're seeing good opportunities in all three of those areas. So the tactical data links business, very strong awards first half. You'd see we've got awesome exercise on the AMSS satellite services business and the cyber and information insurance business is also doing really well.
And one of the things that I think I'd say is happening more and more is that we're seeing the integration of cyber with the satellite space that is people want security and monitoring services that go along with those connectivity functions. So in general, are the main areas. Does that cover what you're looking for or are you looking for something else?
Yes, that's helpful. Thanks for taking the questions gentlemen.
Thanks, Rich.
Have our next question from Caleb Henry. Your line is open.
Hi, Rick. Congrats again on the new transition and the quarter. I have three questions. I think it's probably best if I just do them one at a time. The first is that Viasat was listed as one of the eligible bidders or actually they haven't completed an application to bid on C band in the FCC's upcoming December 8 auction.
I was curious why ViaSat chose to complete that application, seeing how you do not operate C band satellites currently. What's the motivation there?
Optionality.
Okay. We'll leave that there then. Next question, going back to latency, you were talking about latency being beneficial, but not maybe critical or the end all be all. I was curious, a couple of quarters ago, talked about a prospective LEO constellation that ViaSat would be interested in pursuing possibly for RDOF. Can you give an update on the status of that?
Is Viasat still pursuing RDOF? And what are the odds that you do go forward with a Viasat on an operated LEO broadband system?
Okay. So we can't talk about our LEO. So no comments regarding that. Now regarding our LEO, yes, we're definitely interested in the LEO. And it's too fine a point, but I would say speed and bandwidth are one and two and price, speed, bandwidth, price.
Those are one, two and three, both agencies probably four. And what you'd like is to be able to deal with all of them. And so what I think we're looking at is what are the best ways to do that and LEO is one of them. Now on our overall priority list, I would say it's lower than the speed and bandwidth. But there are things that we can do with terrestrial.
So those are they're economical and they kind of check the box and they and some of our customers definitely appreciate. I'd say there's no benefit to having longer latency, right? It's just there is definitely a benefit to having higher speed and more volume, right? So that's what we focus on. So on LEO, we proposed a system that is quite different from the others.
It's much higher capacity per satellite, fewer satellites needed to get a lot of capacity. So we think that is important in itself because of the think because people are becoming more aware of what the issues are with proliferated LEOs and space safety and spectrum sharing. So I think one is we want to show that, that can be done. And the other is, I'd say, we're working on it. And we'll provide more updates when that's appropriate.
But we're still interested in it.
Okay. I wanted to go back to the C band thing. You said optionality. Can you give any more color on what exactly that means?
No. Okay.
I thought I would try. And then my last one is going back to actually the satellite conference, want to say it was satellite twenty eighteen when ViaSat was announced as one of the partners for O3b and power on phased array antennas and terminals. Can you give an update on Viasat's work on phased arrays? Do you hope to have an antenna and or terminal available in the near term? And if so, what would the applications be for it as well as the price?
Yes. Okay. So yes, we are definitely interested in phased arrays. We've been working on it for quite a while. We only want to do it if we had something that was significantly different from the other efforts that were out there and we do and it's worked out pretty well.
I think it will let us get high performance and very attractive price points. So we are working with some companies that would be buyers of phase rate antennas, so those would be the NGSO systems. But we're also working with prospective customers of our own. And when you're working with geosynchronous satellites, the main application for a Phase array is mobility applications. So that's the area that we're kind of more focused on.
And that has multiple benefits. One is that one of the main benefits is that you can use the phased array with multiple satellites at once if you build it well enough. So one the things that we've done budget work on with DoD is being able to build a network management system that hops around among all the available satellites, whether commercial or government. So that's a really good example of a Phase III application. There are similar things in being able to do hybrids between NGSOs and GEOs with other people's NGSOs.
So that's another one of the applications that we're working on. We also think there's a really, really attractive land mobile market with phased arrays can open if they're low cost. And going back to the whole bandwidth issue, if you've got a lot of bandwidth, then you can put it in small undersized antennas that are really attractive in mobile applications. So those are some of the things that we're looking to do with them.
Okay. And do you have a target for when you have to roll that out as well as prices?
Do we have a plan to roll it out? Yes. Yes. I mean, we're working on absolutely. We're working on
main market for us is to expand the addressable market for our own services. Like I said, we will work with other guys and do it, but we're not hawking our antenna out there as a with a schedule and a price on it. That's not the main purpose for what we're doing.
Correct. Right, right. That's our we are working with some prospective buyers and we're interested in selling antennas, but the main reason we've been working on this is to augment our services. Correct.
Thank you.
Yes. Thanks, Kevin.
And we will take one more call from Mike Crawford of B. Riley Securities. Your line is open.
Thank you. As you've seen more of these LEO constellations like Starlink, has any of your opinions been refined as to what type of bandwidth and capacity they might be able to get out of them such as once StarLink say gets more congested over a specific service area, what might be required to deliver residential broadband at 100 megabit per second speeds to not just one or two users with tripod, but to tens of thousands of users?
Well, don't okay, personally, I don't think anything's really surprising has happened with LEO systems. They have to go through all the same calculations that we do, which is how much bandwidth do you have per satellite, how much do you need to give per person, do I want to have a lot of people with a small amount of bandwidth, small amount of people with a lot of bandwidth? I mean, it's all the same. The thing that I think is becoming more evident is the difficulty of having a strategy of scaling by having enormous numbers of satellites. And there's just more and more concern about this orbital debris and collision risk problem.
And it's the issue is, I'd say becoming more, I think a sharper point being put on it because if you look at what's happened as a result of the collisions in lower earth orbit already, the debris from those collisions is it collides with itself and it creates And so European Space Agency put out a really thorough report in I think in the September that has a lot of detail on the orbital debris issue. The FCC has had a focus on it. There was a proposed rulemaking that they deferred back in March and April. And at that time, we were one of the maybe the only one or one of very few that supported the FCC's position.
But in comments that have been filed, now you've seen a lot more entities come in and say, well, this is something that really needs to be addressed. And I think that's that issue about how many orbital trajectories are really available, there's already contention for orbital trajectories and then the risks of satellites that are that fail in orbit, take a long time to deorbit, that contributes to the orbital debris risk. I think that is going to be one of the biggest issues in scaling allele. It's not in making them work at all with the number of salads you have. The issue is how scalable it is.
And I think that's becoming more clear that that's just going to be a really challenging issue. That's the main thing.
Okay. Thank you, Mike.
Thanks, With
your this Link 16 satellite, your low earth satellite that you're building, is that extends Link 16 to be online of site applications, which has the opportunity to open up a lot of your devices to be used in more broader fashion than already today to get data to the tactical edge. Is this a business where you might envision ViaSat becoming a builder of many LEO satellites or are these satellites that could further extend the Link 16 up to ViaSat-three as well or what can you comment regarding Link 16 in space?
Okay. So the notion of extending the range of Link 16 through space is really pretty interesting. And you can see there are government there's government programs, probably the same thing. We won a program with the Air Force to build that prototype satellite for it. The advantage is that there are many thousands and going in the tens of thousands and potential for hundreds of thousands of devices that are Link 16 capable.
So if you can extend the range of communication, I think there is pretty good consensus that's a valuable thing, both for the devices that are on the ground and in the air at sea and also as a space business. So one is we're really interested in it as an enabler for our Link 16 business. We think that that makes that business have a much bigger addressable market and more valuable. So we would like it to exist. And I think the work that we've been doing in payloads and delivering a satellite does certainly help to do that.
I think the technical problems are more complex than just putting a Link 16 transceiver in space. And so we're working on those as well, again, as an enabler. But we're really interested, yes, if we could make a fleet of satellites that does that, sure, of course, we're really interested in that. And we have other applications that we've been working with government customers that do involve that, that involve either sensing or communication satellites in space. And so I think you're going to see us do more of that, but with a real focus on the payload and mission aspects of it, and especially the networking parts of those payloads.
Okay. Thank you. And then finally, real quick ViaSat-three EMEA, is that something you expect to launch in the summer of twenty twenty two?
Yes, six months behind the Americas satellite. So the Americas satellite has basically been the trailblazer for us. So when we surface issues, they've been on that one. But the EMEA as a result, it's pretty smoothly behind it. So that looks good.
Excellent. Thank you.
Thanks, Mike. Okay.