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Earnings Call: Q4 2020

Feb 18, 2021

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Ventas Fourth Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this time, you will need to press star then one on your telephone. If you require any further assistance, please press star then zero, and an Operator will come back on to assist you. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Sarah Whitford, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Sarah Whitford
Director of Investor Relations, Ventas

Thanks, Amy. Good morning, and welcome to the Ventas Fourth Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. Earlier this morning, we issued our fourth quarter earnings release, supplemental, and investor presentation. These materials are available on the Ventas website at ir.ventasreit.com. As a reminder, remarks made today may include forward-looking statements, including certain expectations related to COVID-19 and other matters. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, and a variety of factors may cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by such statements. For a more detailed discussion of those factors, please refer to our earnings release for this quarter and to our most recent SEC filings, all of which are available on the Ventas website. Certain non-GAAP financial measures will also be discussed on this call.

For reconciliation of these measures to the most closely comparable GAAP measures, please refer to our supplemental posted on the investor relations section of our website. I will now turn over the call to Debra A. Cafaro, Chairman and CEO.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thank you, Sarah. Good morning to all of our shareholders and other participants. On behalf of all my colleagues, we want to welcome you to the Ventas fourth quarter and year-end 2020 earnings call. Let me begin by expressing my deep gratitude and optimism born of the strength, resilience, and innovation so many have demonstrated over the past year, and the positive developments we are seeing on the ground in our portfolio virtually every day. Our results in the fourth quarter demonstrated Ventas' resilience with normalized FFO reported at $0.83 a share and $0.74 at much-appreciated funding from HHS to our senior living communities that have been affected by COVID-19. I've reflected on the grueling year we've all had. I couldn't be prouder of our productive and skilled team, our enterprise, and our capable, dedicated partners.

After a fast and positive start to 2020, the last year has been dominated by the COVID-19 pandemic and punctuated by extreme weather disruptions, both of which have continued into the first quarter of 2021. Throughout, we've put the full force of our firm's resources and energy behind keeping people safe, demonstrating remarkable resilience, and becoming part of the solution, whether in employee testing, advocacy, or assistance to tenants and operators who needed it. Financially, through our foresight, our long-standing diversification strategy, and our decisive action, we've kept our enterprise strong and stable, generating almost the same EBITDA in 2020 as we did in 2019, and benefiting from our investments in people, systems, and preparedness, our balance sheet flexibility, and our embedded relationships with best-in-class partners.

We found ways to grow and advance our strategic objectives, including building value through acquisition and development in life sciences, investing in Le Groupe Maurice's attractive senior housing development pipeline, creating new partnerships, and establishing a third-party investment management platform that will provide more options for future growth. We remain committed to our core values of respect and integrity and accelerated our actions to promote sustainability, diversity, and social justice in our company, our communities, and our country. Finally, we were very fortunate to recently add two top-notch directors to the company, one a leader in healthcare and the other in real estate and REITs. My gratitude and optimism also flow from the life-saving COVID-19 vaccine discovery by doctors and scientists in record time, and the recent acceleration of vaccine delivery by the Biden administration.

Nationally, ending COVID-19 is foundational to spur sustained economic recovery and restore vitality to so many businesses, households, and workers. At Ventas, we're proud that 100% of our U.S. SHOP, AL, and memory care communities have already received the vaccine, and nearly 90% of them will complete their second dose by the end of this month. Notably, senior housing vaccine delivery represents one of the shining successes in our fight against COVID-19. In our SHOP communities, it is wonderful to know that about 30,000 vulnerable residents have already been vaccinated and are one step closer to feeling safe, seeing loved ones, and enjoying a richer life. From our real-time data, we also know that confirmed COVID-19 cases in our communities have recently begun to improve significantly, creating an enhanced sense of wellbeing and enabling more operators to open communities to new move-ins.

Leads at our communities built to their highest level since the pandemic began in January, once again demonstrating the strength of the value proposition of senior housing and the resilient demand for the services our care providers deliver. While we expect SHOP 1st quarter NOI and occupancy, which are lagging indicators, to decline sequentially as a result of November to January extreme COVID-19 conditions, we are encouraged by the breadth and consistency of all positive leading indicators. Conditions remain dynamic, and it is too early to declare a definitive trend, but we like the picture we are starting to see. Post-pandemic senior housing growth represents an incredibly significant value creation opportunity for our shareholders. Turning to our investment outlook, our diversified asset base with five verticals has given us the ability to continue successfully allocating capital over time and through cycles.

For example, we've created tremendous value since our early cycle investments in our research and innovation business in 2016. We continue to find meaningful opportunities to drive that business forward in both ground-up development and asset acquisitions with universities and in cluster markets alike. Our decision to add life sciences to our enterprise has provided uplift to our results, our investment activity, and our value. Here are a couple of current examples. Our $280 million life sciences project known as One uCity in the thriving research sub-market of Philadelphia, which is bookended by Penn and Drexel, is attracting significant leasing interest. In addition to the nearly $1 billion ground-up development projects already underway, our university-based development pipeline continues to hold about another $1 billion in active potential projects with both new and existing university relationships.

In particular, with Wexford, we are in the design development phase of a nearly half-billion dollar project with a major research university on the West Coast that is substantially pre-leased. We look forward to sharing more information with you later this year. Outside of research and innovation, we continue to allocate capital to develop large Class A independent living communities with our partner LGM in Quebec. We've had five projects underway, with investment also totaling nearly half a billion dollars, and two of the projects were delivered in the fourth quarter. We are pleased to report that the two open communities have leased up quickly and occupancy is already nearly 80%. In addition, our pipeline of potential acquisitions in all five of our verticals is active and growing. We continue to invest with an eye toward growing reliable cash flow and favorable risk-adjusted return.

We will also continue to evaluate and execute opportunities to recycle capital as well. Both Justin and Pete have been working with our deals team to target about $1 billion of dispositions during the year to optimize our portfolio. Our institutional investment capital management platform continues to grow and succeed with well over $3 billion in assets under management. Bringing together our preexisting and new third-party capital vehicles under one umbrella, the Ventas investment management business includes our life sciences and healthcare funds. The Ventas fund stands out as one of the most successful launches of a first-time real estate fund in any asset class. Our investment management platform provides a significant competitive advantage to Ventas. It broadens our capital sources, augments our investment capacity, expands our footprint, leverages our team and industry expertise, improves our financial flexibility and liquidity, and adds an incremental source of earnings.

There is tremendous market opportunity within life science, medical office, and senior housing real estate, and we are well positioned to capitalize on it in multiple ways. In closing, let me reiterate that demographically driven demand is right in front of us. The leading indicators in senior housing are improving rapidly. Vaccine delivery is accelerating, and the long-term thesis for all of our asset classes and for Ventas remains firmly positive. All of us at Ventas have an abiding commitment to staying strong and steady and winning the recovery on behalf of all of our stakeholders. Now, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Justin Hutchens

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Thank you, Debbie. I'd like to begin by highlighting the fourth quarter performance and first quarter performance expectations. First, I would like to mention that we are humbled and grateful that HHS continues to recognize the crucial role senior living plays in protecting vulnerable older Americans. Through the CARES Act, HHS has provided several rounds of funding to assisted living communities to partially mitigate losses directly suffered because of the COVID-19 pandemic. Through this program, applicable to sequential same-store SHOP assets, our communities have received $34 million in the fourth quarter and $13 million to date in the first quarter, which has been applied as a contra expense to offset COVID-19-related expenses incurred. After a challenging fourth quarter and January, in which the national spread of COVID-19 hit all-time highs, our communities experienced an increase in resident cases, and we had more communities close to move-ins.

Leading indicators have followed a similar pattern. Leads and move-ins drifted down throughout November and December, while at the same time, move-outs were elevated. Although the fourth quarter was a challenging quarter, we are pleased our occupancy hung in there with a 90 basis point decline. Looking ahead to the remainder of the first quarter. For the forecast Q1 sequential same-store SHOP portfolio, we expect cash NOI to decline from the fourth quarter to the first quarter, excluding HHS grants of $34 million and $13 million to date in each respective period. This NOI deterioration is driven by a 250-325 basis point expected occupancy decline, partially offset by a modest rate increase. We expect to see continued elevated operating expenses into the first quarter.

While we are seeing continued high levels of COVID-related costs, these are partially mitigated by $13 million of phase 3 HHS grant money received to date in the first quarter. I'll add that recent severe winter weather across the country could cause additional expenses as well as delays in move-ins. We haven't included any impacts, if any, in our guidance. While we are experiencing choppy waters at this stage of the pandemic, I would like to highlight green shoots that support a more optimistic outlook ahead. I'll start by highlighting our improving clinical trends. Consistent with the U.S. COVID case trends, our SHOP communities are experiencing a significant decline in new COVID cases. In the most recent week, we are averaging nine cases per day, which is the lowest since October and down from 92 cases per day at the peak in January.

We couldn't be more relieved about this improvement, knowing this means less illness and less people potentially dying from COVID. This positive clinical trend is also important to local health departments' support of our community's ability to accept new move-ins and to offer a more robust living experience for our residents. I'd like to comment on the early success our operators have had deploying the vaccine to residents and employees within our SHOP portfolio. As Debbie mentioned, 100% of our assisted living and memory care communities have hosted their first vaccine clinic. In other good news related to the vaccine, two studies from Spain and Israel have come out showing favorable data that people who are vaccinated and still contract COVID-19 are far less likely to spread the illness to others than if they were not vaccinated.

The execution of the vaccine is a massively important step toward the stabilization and growth in our senior housing platform. I'll note that 95% of our communities are already open to move-ins, which is near a pandemic high. I'll remind you of the importance of the segments mentioned in our business update. Currently, 80% of our communities are operating in segment 3. This is up from 64% a month ago. Segment 3 is the least restrictive operating environment. The communities in this segment offer a more robust living experience, includes a more open dining experience and small group activities. Most importantly, it allows for less restrictive visitation between residents and their loved ones. As more communities expand their service offering, demand for our services should improve.

Leads and move-ins started to pick up again in January, with the highest number of leads we have witnessed since the beginning of the pandemic. The initial indication is that this momentum has continued into February. The increase in leads have been bolstered by very strong growth in our Le Groupe Maurice portfolio in Canada and consistent strong lead performance by Atria in the U.S. To summarize our optimism, new COVID cases down. Vaccine distribution on track, leading to a more robust living experience and all combining to support higher leads. We continue to monitor these positive trends on a real-time basis and remain focused on supporting our operating partners as they get in position to win the recovery. Moving on to triple net senior housing.

In the fourth quarter and through January, Ventas received all of its expected triple net senior housing cash rent. Our underlying triple net senior housing portfolio performance continues to be impacted by Covid-19. Due to a mix of lease resolutions executed in 2020, government subsidies, including PPP loans and HHS funds and other tenant resources, our tenants have continued to pay as expected. Our trailing 12-month cash flow coverage for senior housing is 1.3 times respectively. I'll comment on the senior housing industry outlook. Our competitive outlook has continued to evolve amid the pandemic. In 2020, construction starts nationally were down 50% year-over-year, and deliveries were at their lowest level since 2013. Our SHOP markets witnessed particularly favorable supply trends, with starts down 66% versus the prior year, and deliveries down over 40%. We are optimistic about the long-term impact from lower construction starts.

Fewer starts today, combined with the compelling aging demographic trends where the 80-plus population is expected to grow nearly 15% between now and 2024, which is five times faster than the broader population, will provide a potent tailwind over the next few years. Moving on to final comments. I'd like to comment on the tremendous job well done our operator partners and frontline staff have done prioritizing the health and safety of our residents and employees throughout a very challenging period. We couldn't be more proud of their focus, determination, courage, and perseverance throughout the pandemic. I'd also like to note our excitement and support for Jack Callison, the new CEO of Sunrise Senior Living. We know Jack to be an accomplished and charismatic leader who is extremely qualified to lead Sunrise.

I'll finish by reiterating our optimistic outlook as we consider the improving clinical trends, vaccine rollout, communities opening for move-ins with a more robust living experience, and post-pandemic supply / demand tailwinds that give us continued confidence in a very strong, positive growth trajectory in senior housing. With that, I'll hand the call to Pete.

Peter J. Bulgarelli
EVP, President, and CEO of Lillibridge Healthcare Services, Ventas

Thanks, Justin. I'll cover the office and healthcare triple net segments. Together, these segments represent 47% of Ventas' NOI. They continue to produce strong results, showcasing their value proposition and financial strength amongst the pandemic. In fact, for the full year 2020, these segments combined to generate same-store cash NOI growth of 3%. First, I'll cover office. MOBs and research and innovation centers. The two lines of business within our office portfolio, they play a key role in the delivery of crucial healthcare services and research for life-saving vaccines and therapeutics. The office portfolio continued to provide steady growth, delivering $128 million of same-store cash NOI in the fourth quarter. This represents a 1.5% sequential growth led by our R&I portfolio, which generated 3.6% same-store cash NOI growth.

Moreover, full-year office same-store cash NOI grew 3.3% versus 2019, near the midpoint of original 2020 office guidance of 3%-4%, despite the impacts of COVID-19. Normalizing for a paid parking shortfall and increased cleaning costs due to COVID, same-store cash NOI grew 4.5%, surpassing our pre-COVID guidance range. In terms of rent receipts, office tenants paid an industry-leading 99.2% of contractual rent in the fourth quarter. For the entire period from April through December, tenants paid 99.4% of contractual rent. This is without deducts or deferrals, which were de minimis. Substantially all granted deferrals have been repaid, and new deferrals were negligible during the fourth quarter. Continuing the trend, we have collected 98% of January contractual rents, on track to meet or exceed the fourth quarter collection rate. February today collection results are also strong and are at a consistent pace when compared to the fourth quarter.

This strong performance is enabled by the mission-critical nature of our portfolio and by our high-quality, creditworthy tenancy. In our medical office portfolio, nearly 85% of our NOI comes from investment-grade rated tenants and HCA. In our R&I portfolio, 76% of our revenues come directly from investment-grade rated organizations and publicly traded companies. Medical office had a record level retention of 88% for the fourth quarter and 87% for the trailing 12 months. Driven by this retention, total office leasing was 700,000 sq feet for the quarter and 3.4 million sq feet for the full year 2020. This includes 540,000 sq feet of new leasing. Total leasing far exceeded our pre-Covid 2020 plan. All of our MOB properties are in elective surgery restriction-free locations. As a result, we are seeing positive utilization trends that mirror increased admissions and surgery volumes being reported by the health systems.

As an example, paid parking receipts during the second quarter of 2020 were only 46% of normal. During the fourth quarter, however, paid parking recovered to 71% of normal. As Debbie mentioned, we continue to be excited about the office business, and particularly investment opportunities in the R&I space. In the fourth quarter, we closed our acquisition of the three-asset, 800,000 sq ft trophy life sciences portfolio in San Francisco. Since last quarter's announcement, we have renewed a large tenant and signed two new leases, bringing the building to 100% leased, a clear demonstration of the attractiveness of these buildings to the marketplace. We also opened our $80 million R&I development on the campus of Arizona State, located within the Phoenix Biomedical Campus, a 30-acre innovation district established by the City of Phoenix in the heart of downtown. The building is over 50% pre-leased and is ahead of pro forma.

Let's turn to healthcare triple net. During the fourth quarter, our healthcare triple net assets showed continued strength. We have received 100% of fourth quarter rents, as well as 100% of January and 100% of February rents. Trailing 12-month EBITDA and cash flow coverage improved sequentially for all our healthcare triple net asset classes, except skilled nursing, despite COVID-19. Acute and post-acute providers had early access to significant government funding to create liquidity and mitigate pandemic-related losses. Acute care hospitals' trailing 12-month coverage was a strong 3.3 in the third quarter, a 20 basis point sequential improvement driven by a rebound in elective surgical procedures, prudent expense management, as well as government funding. Ardent continues to perform extremely well in this dynamic market condition. All of Ardent's hospitals reside in jurisdictions that are open for elective procedures. We are excited to continue growing with Ardent.

During the fourth quarter, Ardent opened a new outpatient cancer center on the campus of their hospital in Amarillo, Texas. The cancer center features best-in-class equipment and facilities for radiation therapy, chemotherapy, and cancer care. We invested approximately $30 million at a near 8% stabilized yield. IRF and LTAC coverage improved 10 basis points to 1.6 times in the third quarter, buoyed by strong business results and government funding. In particular, Kindred has demonstrated its core competency in treating complex patient cases. Census levels continue to be very high. Finally, within our loan portfolio, our Colony, Holiday, and Brookdale loans are all fully current. I'd like to close with a thank you, a sincere thank you, to our frontline staff who have kept these critical facilities open during this difficult time. You are all heroes. With that, I'll turn the call over to Bob.

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

Thanks, Pete. In my remarks today, I'll cover our 2020 enterprise fourth quarter results, our expectations for the first quarter of 2021, and our recent liquidity, balance sheet, and capital activities. Let's start with our fourth quarter financial performance. Ventas reported fourth quarter net income attributable to common stockholders of $0.29 per share and normalized funds from operations of $0.83 per share, or $0.74 excluding the $0.09 in HHS grants received in SHOP in Q4. Other sequential fourth quarter drivers to highlight include $0.04 of income recorded in our unconsolidated entities, offset by a $0.05 Q4 sequential decline in NOI, principally in SHOP. Meanwhile, office and triple net healthcare was stable on a sequential basis in the fourth quarter. That's a good segue to our Q1 guidance, as Q4 is an appropriate start point for our first quarter 2021 expectations.

The key components of our Q1 guidance are as follows. Net income attributable to common stockholders is estimated to range between -$0.07 and -$0.01 per fully diluted share. Normalized FFO is forecast to range from $0.66- $0.71 per share. The midpoint of our FFO guidance, $0.68 per share, represents a $0.15 sequential decline from the fourth quarter. This change can be largely explained by a $0.09 reduction in HHS grant income and income from unconsolidated entities. The balance is driven by a $0.05 reduction in organic SHOP NOI performance.

A few of the key SHOP Q1 assumptions include Q1 2021 average occupancy ranging from 250-325 basis points lower versus the fourth quarter average, sequential growth in RevPOR as a result of the annual in-place rent increases implemented at the start of 2021, and continued elevated levels of operating expenses driven by COVID labor and testing. Outside of SHOP, we expect our property NOI to be stable on a sequential basis in the first quarter. A normalized FFO per share bridge from our fourth quarter to our first quarter 2021 guidance midpoint, together with key assumptions, can be found in our press release and our business update presentation posted to our website today. I'll close with our balance sheet and capital activity. I am proud of the actions the Ventas team has taken to manage our balance sheet leverage and liquidity.

We have navigated the disruption created by COVID and kept Ventas strong and stable while protecting shareholder capital. I'd highlight a few of our most recent actions and results. First, some key stats from 2020. We finished 2020 with full-year net debt to EBITDA of 6.1 times, maintained a strong maturity profile with duration exceeding six years, held total debt to gross asset value at 37%, reduced our net debt at year-end by over $500 million year-over-year, and retained robust liquidity exceeding $3 billion. In 2020, we also took advantage of the strong bid for healthcare real estate and realized over $1 billion in asset sales at a blended 5.3% cash yield. In 2021, we're targeting an additional $1 billion in asset sales across our verticals in the second half of the year.

Proceeds from dispositions are expected to be used to reduce debt and to fund future growth through development and redevelopment capital spend. In January 2021, we closed on a new four-year, $2.75 billion unsecured credit facility. Were able to realize better pricing. I'd like to personally thank our banking partners for their support of Ventas. They are critical to our success. Finally, in March 2021, Ventas will use cash on hand from recent dispositions to reduce our near-term maturities by fully repaying $400 million of our 3.1% senior notes due January 2023. As a result of these and other actions, we're positioned to capitalize on the powerful upside across our business once the pandemic is finally in the rear-view mirror. That concludes our prepared remarks.

Before we start with Q&A, we're limiting each caller to two questions to be respectful to everyone on the line. With that, I will turn the call back to the operator.

Operator

At this time, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please go ahead and press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Again, that is star, then one to ask a question. Your first question today comes from the line of Juan Sanabria with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Juan Sanabria
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Hi. Good morning.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Good morning.

Juan Sanabria
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Good morning. I was just hoping, Debbie, maybe you could provide a little color on the acquisition pipeline. You talked about it being robust across your various verticals. I guess I'm curious what asset types are of the most interest. You've been kind of quiet on the seniors housing acquisition front for a while. Seems like Ardent might have some new opportunities if it merges with LifePoint. I'm curious if that acquisition pipeline is more focused on balance sheet or through the fund.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Well, it's great to hear from you. I would say that we have a lot of options now as we look at investment opportunities. Not only can we look across the five asset types, but also we have a number of tools we can use to acquire assets, either on balance sheet or in our investment management business. I'd say we're really looking across the board. We've got obviously a lot of life sciences and research and innovation, both ground-up development as well as acquisition activity. We've got some senior housing possibilities in the pipeline. Ardent's obviously doing well, and we continue to look for similarly high-quality opportunities in that space. It really is quite interesting and across the board. As I mentioned, we're continuing to invest with LGM.

They have done just an incredible job, both on the management of the stable portfolio, but also in developing and leasing up very quickly these Class A assets. We're looking forward to doing more of that with LGM as well.

Juan Sanabria
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks. Then just for my follow-up on the disposition front, switching to the opposite side, the $1 billion for 2021 that you've targeted for the second half. Could you provide any color on the types of assets you're selling? If I think about this time last year, you talked about maybe joint venturing Eclipse. You had some Atria assets that were on the block. If you could just give us a little bit more color on the flavor there.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Good one. I gave a little clue when we talked about Justin and Pete really optimizing the portfolio. While we're really looking across the board, I would say that senior housing and maybe some select MOBs could fall within that disposition pipeline.

Juan Sanabria
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thank you.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thanks, Juan.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Nicholas Joseph with Citi. Please proceed with your question

Nicholas Joseph
Analyst, Citi

Thank you. Maybe just following up on that question. I know you said it's the back half of the year, but just curious what the timing is and then the cap rates on any of those asset sales. Trying to get a sense of any potential dilution in the back half of this year into 2022.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Yeah. Obviously, we're going to look to be smart about when and how we do it. I would basically just refer you to kind of the back half and, you can make a weighted assumption around timing. It's obviously TBD and cap rate also is TBD. We would look really to find lower cap rate assets that we could dispose of. Obviously, you can see in the market, there's a really strong bid across the board in these asset classes, and that is a very good sign for our ability to execute in a really effective way.

Nicholas Joseph
Analyst, Citi

Thanks. Maybe just on the senior housing side, I'm looking at your business update. With the move-outs trending higher, at least through January, what percentage of those were voluntary? How have voluntary move-outs trended over those past few months?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Yes, I'm going to turn it over to Justin. As we've mentioned, the key points are really around the clinical results because you really have to think about leading indicators being cases and mortality. When those start to improve significantly, as we've seen, the lagging indicators of NOI and occupancy tend to follow. I'll turn it over to Justin so he can really address your question in specific.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Hi, Nick. Yeah. In regards to the recent trend upwards in move-outs, that's mostly clinically related hospitalizations, deaths. The voluntary move-out questions come up. We really haven't seen a high number of discretionary move-outs that are for reasons other than clinical purposes.

Nicholas Joseph
Analyst, Citi

Thank you.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question today comes from the line of Omotayo Okusanya with Mizuho. Please proceed with your question.

Omotayo Okusanya
Analyst, Mizuho

Yes. Good morning, everyone. Hope everyone is safe and healthy. Two quick ones for me.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thank you, Tayo.

Omotayo Okusanya
Analyst, Mizuho

Oh, my pleasure. Two quick ones for me. RevPOR growth in the quarter were kind of down meaningfully. I think it was -3.3% or so. Could you talk a little bit about kind of what caused that? I think you had made some comments about kind of concessions and discounts and things like that, and kind of how is that trending in the early stages of 2021?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Yes. We are projecting positive RevPOR sequentially, and I'll turn it over to Bob to elaborate.

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

All right, cool. Fourth quarter, you're right to say, down on RevPOR. Tayo, really two drivers there. One is simply discounting in the effort to get occupancy. Definitely seeing that in the marketplace. The second is mix. With Canada continuing to perform really strongly, Canada has a lower RevPOR. You see a mix impact. It's a combination of those two things on a sequential basis, which drives the number you see on RevPOR. Positively looking ahead to Q1, we're expecting growth, and again, that in-place increase, very much in line with what we've seen historically, which is quite positive. Expect to see that as a tailwind in the first quarter on revenue.

Omotayo Okusanya
Analyst, Mizuho

The whole discounting concession thing is not kind of providing for the first quarter of 2021?

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

I think that will likely carry on, at least in the short run. You see the lift of the in-place rent, which happens January 1.

Omotayo Okusanya
Analyst, Mizuho

January one, gotcha

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

across a good part of the population. That really benefits the first quarter.

Omotayo Okusanya
Analyst, Mizuho

Okay, great. On the government reimbursement side, any thoughts or any estimates in regards to how much more HHS grants you may be due under kind of like the phase two and phase three programs from last year? Generally, what are you hearing about future government support, just kind of given the change in administration?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Right. We've had, with our industry partners, a really effective public outreach on this exact point of really the impact of COVID-19 on these communities and on seniors. We have made so much progress, Tayo, as evidenced by the willingness of HHS to mitigate some of the COVID-19 impact by the amounts that we've received to date, which for us has been, I think, about $48 million or so. We're very grateful for that, as Justin mentioned. What we're focused on going forward is there continues to be significant billions remaining in the HHS funds. Well, first of all, phase three could result in additional funding. That's an unknown. There's also multiple tens of billions remaining in the HHS fund, which hopefully can be utilized beyond phase three to support the healthcare providers writ large, including senior housing.

In terms of additional COVID relief packages, we would endeavor to make the case that some of those funds should be either earmarked for or certainly available to be used to mitigate the continuing impact of COVID-19 on the 1 million to 2 million seniors who are cared for in senior living. That's the framework, and we'll continue to try to be a fact-based advocate with policymakers to produce a favorable, and I think, very justifiable outcome on a public health and priority basis.

Omotayo Okusanya
Analyst, Mizuho

Got you. Keep fighting the fight. Thank you.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Carroll with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Carroll
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah, thank you. I wanted to see if you could provide some color on the occupancy expectation going into the first quarter of 2021. I guess the 250 to 325 basis point decline in average occupancy, what does that trend look like on a, I guess, a week-to-week or month-to-month basis on the low end versus the high end? Do you expect declines to continue at this pace through February and then start to moderate in March? How should we think about that?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Yes. Good question. I'm going to turn it over to my colleagues. Again, I think in light of the conditions in January, we feel that our portfolio is really hanging in there in terms of leads and occupancy. I'll turn it over to the team to answer the specific question that you're asking.

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

Sure. I'll take that. Mike, you can see on page 12 of our investor presentation some of the most recent data on the trends in the quarter on occupancy. If you look at it quarter to date on average, we're down about 210 basis points quarter to date, really driven by that January result. If you just extrapolated that to the full quarter, i.e., kind of bake what we have and held from there, we'd be at the better end of the guidance range at 250 basis points down. If the trend continued down, as we've seen in the first quarter to date and carried on, that would be the lower end, i.e., the worse end of the range. That's the guard rails, if you like. Stabilization versus continuation of the trend, if you want to think about it that way.

Michael Carroll
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, great. I guess on the move-ins, obviously there was an uptick on an absolute basis in January, but it still looks like the percentage compared to 2019 actually dropped. Is a good way to think about that is that the seasonal nature of leads probably is not holding right now just given the COVID impact, and you're just more optimistic because the absolute number is actually increasing?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

I think what is incredibly encouraging is that the clinical conditions in January were the worst that they've been really since the beginning of the pandemic. You can see that on the slide. Yet we are getting incredible demand, in my opinion, in January nonetheless through both leads and move-ins. That to me is an incredible combination and one that is just really heartening about this being a kind of need-based business that is going to be resilient. That happened during the toughest time. That is the key point, Mike. Thank you for raising it.

Michael Carroll
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Nicholas Yulico with Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.

Nicholas Yulico
Analyst, Scotiabank

Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Good morning.

Nicholas Yulico
Analyst, Scotiabank

I guess just first off, maybe if you wouldn't mind providing the. You gave the vaccine data which was good on number of residents, number of staff. Do you have that in terms of a percentage of the residents and of the staff who've gotten the vaccine so far?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Yes.

Nicholas Yulico
Analyst, Scotiabank

Yeah.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Yep. In general, the uptake with the residents has been really, really high, in and around the 90% range, and probably even higher if you take out people who were ineligible, either because they had just had COVID or something like that, or another medical condition. Amongst the staff, it's really been in that 40-ish plus or minus at the beginning on the first clinic, but we're seeing way higher uptake of employees getting that first shot at the second clinic. Those numbers are going much higher, both because of an increasing comfort level with the vaccine and also some operator, we'll call it incentives and requirements. Justin, maybe you can touch on what the operators are doing in the vaccine to make the uptake better.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Absolutely. The standard practice across the sector is communication, incentives, bringing a lot of attention, and quite frankly, celebration around the vaccine. That has been very successful. We have operators that have mandated vaccine as well. Where that has happened, we have seen the employee numbers tick up significantly. We know of at least two that have made the decision to mandate. There is several others where we know it is under consideration, and it has been met with a lot of success, where those employee numbers are closer to 80%.

Nicholas Yulico
Analyst, Scotiabank

Okay, great. Thanks. That's very helpful. Just second question is on the leads having picked up. I guess, are you getting any information from your prospective tenants about at what point they're going to increasingly convert that lead into a move-in? Did it have something to do with the % of people in the facility that are vaccinated, or a reduced rate of COVID in a facility? I guess we're just trying to sort of understand at what point, if leads are down still around 20%, move-ins are down around 20%, at some point, you get closer to 100%. Are you getting any information from prospective tenants about that? Thanks.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

I can definitely give you some color. One point about our leads is that leads are actually stronger in our U.S. portfolio, but our move-ins have been stronger in Canada. When you think about a higher conversion rate in Canada, there's less dependency on external agencies to get move-ins. If you focus in on the U.S., one thing that we found interesting is that the lead volume is very high, Debbie mentioned, in spite of the clinical backdrop, but we're also still missing out on some typical sources for leads. That includes respite, that includes personal and professional referral sources, which are all our highest converted leads. As the lead bank starts to materialize and get back to normal, not only will the leads go up, but our conversions should go with it. Our operators are fairly bullish on the outlook.

That remains to be seen, obviously.

Nicholas Yulico
Analyst, Scotiabank

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Connor Siversky with Berenberg. Please proceed with your question.

Connor Siversky
Analyst, Berenberg

Good morning, everybody, and thank you for having me on the call. You had mentioned in the prepared remarks, just switching gears to the R&I portfolio, that uCity Square was attracting some significant leasing interest. I'm just wondering if you can quantify at all how this is progressing, and then what the path looks up to stabilization on that end?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Good to have you. I'm going to turn that over to our team to talk about the significant leasing interest there in the uCity Square market.

Peter J. Bulgarelli
EVP, President, and CEO of Lillibridge Healthcare Services, Ventas

John, did you want to take that? Or would you like?

John Cobb
EVP and CIO, Ventas

Sure. Yeah, this is John Cobb. I think we have a lot of good leads. I think we're swapping a lot of LOIs back and forth, but the interest is high. When you start building and you start going vertical, the interest is much higher when you're doing that.

Connor Siversky
Analyst, Berenberg

Okay. Thanks for that. Just related to the development of the independent living communities in Quebec with Le Groupe Maurice. I'm just wondering if that occupancy metric you guys provided, does that take into account the 800 units that have just recently opened?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Well, that I believe is those 800 units. This is what is remarkable, and we're trying to have it rub off on us here south of the border, is LGM builds these large, "Well, we hope to take you there someday." They have a really significant pre-marketing effort, a lot of pre-leasing and deposits. These communities open in the fourth quarter, and they're already nearly 80% occupied.

Connor Siversky
Analyst, Berenberg

All right. That's all for me. Thank you very much.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Bernstein with Capital One. Please proceed with your question.

Daniel Bernstein
Analyst, Capital One

Hi. Good morning.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Hi, Dan.

Daniel Bernstein
Analyst, Capital One

Glad to hear an upbeat tone and outlook. The question I do have, though, I think the move-ins are kind of rather simple math. Demographics going up, construction going down, COVID levels going down. I'm trying to understand a little bit better the move-outs, particularly, if you have any color on average entrance age of residents coming in and thoughts on length of stay, whether that's going to offset some of the improvement that seems likely to come on the move-in side.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Hi, Dan. It's Justin. I'll start with the second part of your question. Length of stay has actually gone up, and the reason for that is we've had less respite stays over this past year, far less, so that average is up without the short-term stays of respite. In terms of the type of resident moving in, we also haven't seen a lot of change there either. The age group demographic, the type of resident care needs, everything's been relatively consistent. We just need more of them. As we mentioned, leads are certainly on their way up.

Daniel Bernstein
Analyst, Capital One

Okay. The other question I had on SHOP, I don't know if you can give a kind of a general idea of what the rent increases are in 1Q versus maybe historical, and whether those are kind of what we should be thinking about when we model that versus historical 1Q increases.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Well, since that's a modeling one, Bob, do you want to take that?

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

Yeah, I love the modeling ones. Again, historically, we've seen sort of mid-single digit in-place increases nearly every year. That's, again, sort of an overarching number to think about. From there, though, a few considerations. There's always a percentage of the population to whom that does not apply, and that could be those who are on an anniversary renewal or those who came in, moved in late in the year and aren't subject to it, things like that. All of that said, it blends in on a sequential Q4 to Q1 RevPOR basis to improve RevPOR overall. That is one of the powers of having the occupancy in place in December, is to have that benefit.

Daniel Bernstein
Analyst, Capital One

Okay. All right. I appreciate it. Have a good day.

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

You bet.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Rich Anderson with SMBC. Please proceed with your question.

Rich Anderson
Analyst, SMBC

Thanks. Good morning, everybody.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Hi.

Rich Anderson
Analyst, SMBC

If investment activity can be used as a proxy for perhaps your level of confidence in things going forward, your company history is sort of hunkering down at the right times. I recall back in 2008, 2009 timeframe, you were quick to protect the balance sheet, like a lot of your peers, but I remember that in particular. You now have $1 billion of asset sales. You refer to paying down debt with that, at least in part, but then you also talk about this pipeline of activity. I can't get a good sense of where you are at on a net disposition or net acquisition perspective. Are you kind of still in the point where you're just sort of hedging your bet? You could go one direction or another, or are you sort of thinking along the lines of sort of a neutral impact?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thank you. It's really good to hear from you. We are continuing to invest very actively. As I mentioned in life science, in these LGM developments, we do have an acquisition pipeline, so it really is a case-by-case basis, and we continue to evaluate conditions very carefully and are really in a great position given all the things that we've done and all the pieces we've put in place to be able to really act opportunistically, as and when we believe the circumstances are appropriate, based on risk-adjusted return. Where we are, and we have a long history, as you know, of doing $2 billion or $3 billion a year of investment activity. We're in the market in all the verticals and have the team and the capital options, so it'll be based upon what opportunities become available.

Rich Anderson
Analyst, SMBC

Fair enough. Okay. On the HHS grants, you guys were perhaps earlier than some others in terms of getting your hands on it. Nonetheless, it impacts the assisted living side more, obviously. I think you're 60% ALF and 40% independent. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. I could have that backwards. Does this inform you about where the opportunities might exist going forward in terms of that specific debate between ILF and ALF?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Well, I think we would base our investment decisions and our portfolio composition really on the fundamental opportunities that we see, and rather than what I'll call bridge support for the pandemic's impact. I think you're roughly in the ballpark on the 60/40, but I'll turn it over to Justin really to talk about how he thinks about those asset classes and the differences in opportunities there.

Rich Anderson
Analyst, SMBC

Before you do that, Justin, I was thinking in terms of perhaps being there some disruption in the ILF side, which would make you more interested today, just from the standpoint of there being better opportunities because of the lack of HHS. Anyway, that was the basis of my question. Go ahead. Sorry.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

I see.

Rich Anderson
Analyst, SMBC

Yep.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Hi, Justin. In terms of disruption, IL's really held up okay. It held up in early going based on having lower move-outs, longer length of stay. Move-ins have continued in the IL setting. They're generally a higher margin business, so they had a little more room to work with as occupancy has fallen. They don't benefit from HHS funds, a little later to the scene from a vaccine standpoint, vaccine clinics are being set up in the IL setting. That's on that point. In general, the first thing we're always going to look at is the market. We have within our data set over 800 MSAs that we study. Within those, we can determine which products will work, which price point's appropriate. Could be IL, AL, memory care.

We would always start there, and then look at sort of market, and then it's quality of property, and then it's opportunity for successful execution.

Rich Anderson
Analyst, SMBC

Good enough. Thanks very much.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jordan Sadler with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Jordan Sadler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Thank you, and good morning.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Good morning.

Jordan Sadler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Good morning. Justin, I wanted to just get your take on sort of historical seasonality. I know how familiar you are with this business, in terms of SHOP. What percentage of annual move-ins take place in December, January, February in the SHOP portfolio generally?

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

There's a little bit on the seasonality. When you look at it on a quarterly basis, there's not a big change in ins or outs. You tend to have relatively higher move-outs in the fourth quarter and the first quarter, then lower move-outs in the third and fourth. Then move-ins will move within quarters. Some months that jump out to me are January, August, September, where you get a little bit of spike. April, May are usually some good move-in months. On a quarter-to-quarter basis, it's only like a % change from one quarter to the next. You just kind of usually have opportunities to net significantly during those times when move-outs are lower. Not sure if that's helpful.

Jordan Sadler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yeah. That helps.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Okay, good.

Jordan Sadler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Go ahead, finish the story.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Yeah, I was just going to say, in this setting, seasonality hasn't really held up because the clinical impacts have been so severe at times. That's had impact on demand. Then, of course, I mentioned the difference in our lead bank and that there's a lot more opportunity for that to get back to a normalized level. It's really hard to point to seasonality in this current environment.

Jordan Sadler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

It sounds like typically you're saying you see higher move-outs in Q1 and Q4, but move-ins generally are more steady.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Yeah, that's about right.

Jordan Sadler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay. As a sort of non-sequitur follow-up. Of the disposition guidance for 2021, Debbie or Bob, what portion of that is scheduled or expected loan repayments?

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

What's the mix of debt reduction versus other investments, in other words, Jordan?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

No.

Jordan Sadler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yeah, I think you have $1 billion of disposition guidance for the year.

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

Right.

Jordan Sadler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Is any of that loan repayments?

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

Oh, I see. I see the question. Yeah, no, it's majority asset sales.

Jordan Sadler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Do you expect any loan repayments, or would that be over and above, or you just don't expect any?

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

Maybe some, but as a move again, the significant majority will be asset sales, as it was in 2020.

Jordan Sadler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay, I know you have some maturities in 2021, but those could be extended?

Bob F. Probst
EVP and CFO, Ventas

Yep.

Jordan Sadler
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay. Thank you.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Vikram Malhotra with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Vikram Malhotra
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks for taking the question. Just maybe first one on senior housing overall. Now that you have higher percentage vaccinated, you've got your rents in place in January for SHOP, and you sort of pointed at some light at the end of the tunnel. I'm just wondering higher level, is there an initial sort of preliminary strategy you can lay out for us in terms of how you're thinking to start gaining back this occupancy? Demand will come when it is, but just in terms of flexing rents versus occupancy, high level kind of, is there a strategy that you can lay out, and does that differ by product type or geography?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Mm-hmm. Yes, different operators take different views as well based on the particular conditions in markets as you point out. Justin, do you want to address Vikram's question, please?

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Absolutely. I'll probably like to step back for a second and just reiterate the underlying demand that the operators are facing and how they're trying to play into that. I had mentioned before that leads are very strong and we're missing parts of the typical lead bank that could help bolster things. If you look back a little bit, you look back into September, October. If you look at our leads and our move-ins, you can see that we're running 80% and 90%, respectively. No vaccine in sight at the time. The underlying demand remains really strong. Our operators are well aware of that. We even had, at that time in October, almost 60% of our communities that were achieving 100% or more of their prior to COVID typical move-in run rate. All of that bodes well.

As operators have tried to play into that and with the backdrop of course, the clinical trends they were facing throughout the end of last year, beginning of this year approaches. One I'll highlight is Atria. I mentioned that they've bolstered our overall lead growth and volume, and they've done that with the help of discounting, and it's worked because they've had higher occupancy, higher leads as a result. We've had others that have been a little more local market-focused, holding back a little bit to preserve rate, and that worked as well.

Moving ahead, I think what every operator is focused on is the wide variety of different referral sources that they've relied on in the past, how to rejuvenate those moving forward, and to play into the optimistic kind of supply-demand outlook I gave, as well as the trends that are positioning our communities to accept move-ins again.

Vikram Malhotra
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, that's helpful. That's interesting to your point, even if you look back a year ago, just based on the numbers you gave, it doesn't seem like the conversion rates have fallen off dramatically, in terms of leads to move-ins. It seems like those rates are maybe a little lower, but not dramatically lower. That's sort of another positive. I guess, just on the triple net side, two quick clarifications. You do have your EBITDAR is probably closer to the low ones, if I'm not wrong.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Correct.

You have at a minimum four years left on maturity for a lot of these leases that are kind of in that range or below. I'm just wondering if there is a need or thought or to adjust rents or convert some of these to RIDEA.

Vikram Malhotra
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Yes.

Could you just clarify in that the cash flow coverage, I maybe thinking wrong about this, but in the quarter or historically, are there, and just the last two quarters, the provider funds or the relief funds, they're not factored into that coverage, are they?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Yes. I'll take that. Look, we have been really successful during 2020, since Justin's been here, at really having some outstanding resolutions of the bigger relationships we have with partners like Brookdale and Holiday, and others. That's been really helpful, and we received significant cash upfront as well as participation in the upside, through either warrants or conversions to management contracts. Those have been really well-received and rightly so. Our operators, as you mentioned, really have been the beneficiaries in some cases of government funding that would principally be in the fourth quarter, of course, that would benefit coverage. Our statistics are really through the end of the third quarter, which is always on a one-quarter lag, as you know. They will be factored in. They'll be called out separately as we have with some of the healthcare providers in the supplemental materials.

You'll be able to do your own analysis. Again, remember that the funding is really intended to be a bridge, if you will, to replace NOI that would otherwise be there, and hopefully will otherwise be there in the future. That's how we've been thinking about it.

Vikram Malhotra
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Just to clarify, you don't anticipate the need, given what you did in 2020, you don't anticipate the need for more rent adjustments or conversions near term?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

It really depends on COVID, just like almost every other answer we could give you on the call today. The operators are really hanging in there. As Justin said, they're doing an incredible job on health and safety. Right now, we're getting all the rent that we expect to receive, and the operators are getting government funding in many cases. That's a good picture. If the leading indicators that we've discussed really take hold and gain traction and result in improved occupancy and NOI as we look forward in the year, I think we feel okay about where we are.

Vikram Malhotra
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Thank you, Debbie.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Valiquette with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Steven Valiquette
Analyst, Barclays

Great. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Good morning.

Steven Valiquette
Analyst, Barclays

I guess first one, just regarding the percentage of SHOP communities open for move-ins. That data on the bottom of page 11, the presentation looks pretty positive with that metric jumping up from around 80% in early January to now 95% just in the last month or so of those communities available for open for move-ins. I guess I'm just curious to hear more color. Is that driven more by either voluntary policy changes by the operators, or is it more just changes in local government guidelines? How much of this is simply driven by the benefits of the COVID vaccine, if we're able to get any extra color around all that as far as that improvement? Thanks.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Hi, it's Justin. Yeah, what you'll see is first of all, 95% of our communities are open to move-ins. We segmented them based on just the restrictive environment. What drives that, from segment 2 and segment 3, segment 3 is the most open, most consistent with pre-COVID lifestyle. Segment 2 has some restrictions, you can certainly take move-ins. It's the state and local health departments that are really weighing in on how open a community can be. So those conversations are happening constantly, and it's very much driven by recent COVID activity, sometimes in the broader community, sometimes within our own communities. That's fluid. As you can tell from the overall picture, that new cases are down and open communities are up, so it's looking good across the board.

Steven Valiquette
Analyst, Barclays

Yep. Okay. One other quick question. Since we spent, I feel like, half this call discussing leads and move-ins, I think you just confirmed that the definition of a lead hasn't really changed for today versus 2019 when you're showing that data on page 12, and that there is just a quick one-liner on what officially defines a lead for you. It'd be great, just a reminder of that as well, since that can differ sometimes from one company to the next. Thanks.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Sure. A lead is defined really, another way to put it is an inquiry, and it's distinct, and so it's new. Each month when you see our data, all the leads that we're representing are new to that month. We don't carry forward. It's from any source, could be through the internet, could be through referrals, could be a drive-by, for instance. Any source that's interested in moving is characterized as a lead.

Steven Valiquette
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. All right. That's helpful. Thanks.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

That's remained consistent.

Steven Valiquette
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Thanks again.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Lukas Hartwich with Green Street. Please proceed with your question.

Lukas Hartwich
Analyst, Green Street

Thanks. Just one left for me. It looks like the majority of your loan investments are maturing or can be repaid early in 2021. I was just hoping you could provide a little bit of color of what you expect around that.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Right now, as you point out, they are open to repayment, and some are also open to extension. Our current expectation is extension, but of course, that could change, and we always like to be repaid. Either way, I think we're in good shape.

Lukas Hartwich
Analyst, Green Street

Thank you.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Joshua Dennerlein with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Joshua Dennerlein
Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah. Thanks, everyone. Maybe a follow-up on Steven's question earlier on the vaccination, COVID cases coming down. When you guys think big picture, it seems like by the end of this month, everyone's going to be vaccinated within your SHOP portfolio. Do you think you start seeing a pickup in move-ins because of that? Is the customer's mindset overall kind of COVID level across their community? How are your operators, I guess, going to respond to vaccinations? Will they be able to increase visits? That seems like one of the biggest hurdles to getting people to move their parents in.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Hi, it's Justin. Yeah. First of all, just the fact that there has been vaccines available has played a role in some of the uptick in leads. Certainly, there's an expectation that when the vaccines are fully executed, that higher leads, more potential demand, that would make perfect sense. In terms of defining the lifestyle moving forward, I mentioned that the health departments play an important role in working with operators to define that. Certainly, operators want a robust living experience, as I mentioned, for their residents. They're working hard to give the best lifestyle available, but they're going to work within health department guidelines. I would expect that to continue for a period of time as they work through this next phase.

Joshua Dennerlein
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. Let me just follow up from the opening comments. You mentioned that the severe weather that's hitting the country now isn't in guidance. Have any of your facilities been impacted by the power outages in Texas that you know of at this time?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Yes. It's been a biblical year when you really want to think about it with COVID and wildfires and hurricanes, and now we have these severe winter storms in places you'd least expect it. Yes, I think everyone, many people in the real estate business have significant investments in Texas, and almost all of them will be affected by the power outages and related storm impacts, and that would include us. Again, our operators are taking extraordinary measures in the case of senior housing to make sure that employees and residents are safe. Often we see in senior housing that after something like this, we see an uptick in interest because a lot of people are alone in their homes, and you're better off kind of together when things like this happen.

Yes, we have investments in Texas across the board, and we, like others, would be affected by something as significant as the recent storm.

Joshua Dennerlein
Analyst, Bank of America

All right. Thanks, Debbie.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Thank you.

Operator

Your last question in queue comes from the line of Michael Mueller with JP Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Mueller
Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah, hi. It looks like the SHOP occupancy losses have been greater in the primary versus secondary, and what you call other markets. What do you think in terms of recovery? Do you think the primary markets recover faster? Are you seeing any differences in the lead trends so far?

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Good question.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Hi, it's Justin.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

The leading indicators are flashing green, and Justin will answer your segmentation question.

Michael Mueller
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thanks.

Justin Hutchens
EVP of Senior Housing, Ventas

Hi, it's Justin. As we've studied the performance throughout the pandemic, there's a little bit of a disconnection in terms of our expectations relative to COVID impacts on move-ins and geographies because of the virus has really, through the fourth quarter, became more widespread and more impactful. As we look ahead, we're really just looking into local markets and looking at the fundamentals I mentioned earlier relative to our position in that market. Some of the primary markets are really benefiting from a reduction in construction as a percentage of inventory, which we support of. I think to get a real good read on, to answer your question, I think we have to go a little further beyond the pandemic and to get a clear view.

Michael Mueller
Analyst, JPMorgan

Got it. Okay. That was it. Thank you.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Great. Anything further?

Operator

There are no further questions in queue at this time. I turn the call back.

Debra A. Cafaro
Chairman and CEO, Ventas

Well, you've all been very patient, and I want to thank you as always for your interest in and your support of our company. We look forward to seeing you soon, and we hope that you and your family stay healthy, happy, and optimistic.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.