Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Ventas First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Sarah Whitford, Director of Investor Relations, please go ahead.
Good morning, and welcome to the Ventas First Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. Earlier this morning, we issued our Q1 earnings release, supplemental and investor presentation. These materials are available on the Ventas website at ir.ventasreit.com. As a reminder, remarks made today may include forward looking statements, including certain expectations related to COVID-nineteen and other matters. Forward looking statements are subject to risks For a more detailed discussion of those factors, please refer to our earnings release for this quarter and to our most recent SEC filings, all of which are available on the Ventas website.
Certain non GAAP financial measures will also be discussed in this call. For a reconciliation of these measures to the most closely comparable GAAP measures, Please refer to our supplemental posted on the Investor Relations section of our website. I will now turn the call over to Deborah A. Cafaro, Chairman and CEO.
Thank you, Sarah, and good morning to all of our shareholders and other participants, and welcome to the Ventas First Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. Let me start by saying that we believe the macro environment and the Ventas outlook have turned an important corner And that the worst of the pandemic is behind us. You have no idea how good it feels to say those words, Even though we recognize that significant uncertainty remains, the whole Ventas team is actively engaged Decisions, capturing the embedded upside in our high quality senior housing portfolio, focusing on operational excellence and initiatives, Investing in value creating development and acquisition opportunities across our demographically driven asset classes, Attracting diverse, attractive capital and maintaining financial strength and flexibility. I also think it's important to reiterate our gratitude and optimism. The widespread administration and efficacy of and also laid the foundation for sustained economic recovery.
Let me first Senior housing trends and results. With respect to health and safety, I'm thrilled to report that our Confirmed new resident cases in SHOP have fallen to literally a single person per day out resident population of 40,000 and all our communities are now open to new move ins And most have reintroduced expanded visitation and communal activities. As a result, Resilience and demographically based demand for senior living has revised and we reached the cyclical pandemic occupancy bottom in our SHOP portfolio in mid March. Since then, led by our U. S.
SHOP communities, which posted 280 basis points of growth. We grew shop spot occupancy 190 basis points through April 30 to nearly 78%. Our Canadian shop portfolio, which has maintained occupancy of over 91% tempers the full shop occupancy growth because Canadian clinical conditions and regulatory measures are currently lagging those in the U. S. We do expect those to catch up over time.
Notably, for the whole portfolio, March April were the 1st 2 consecutive months When shop move ins exceeded both pre pandemic move in levels and move outs since the start of the pandemic. In fact, move ins during April at 18.80 totaled more move ins in a single month than we've experienced at any time since June 2019. While many of these positive trends began in the first quarter and therefore did not fully benefit Q1 results. We are also pleased with those results. Our Q1 normalized FFO per share and shop performance came in ahead of our expectations.
And our shop occupancy gains were at or above those reported by other market participants to date. The resilient and robust In facilitating longer healthier lives for this portion of the nation's population, which is set to grow by over 2,000,000 individuals over just the next few years. Supply trends in senior housing are also highly favorable. This combination of growing demographic demand and constrained supply creates a favorable backdrop for senior housing recovery, which represents an incredibly significant value creation opportunity for our shareholders. The high quality of our senior housing portfolio, As Justin will describe, makes us well positioned to recapture NOI and realize this upside.
Turning to our capital allocation approach, we are confident of our ability to recycle about $1,000,000,000 through property disposition in the second half of this year, and those are expected to enhance our enterprise. On the investment side, our attractive life science, Research and Innovation business continues to provide us with value creating opportunities to invest capital. The Ventas portfolio, which now exceeds 9,000,000 square feet is located in 3 of the top 5 cluster markets and is affiliated with over 15 of the nation's top research universities. We are also investing in our active and just delivered ground up developments in life science, research and innovation. We also have another $1,000,000,000 in potential projects Affiliated with major universities right behind the 4 developments currently underway.
We look forward to sharing more information on our exciting development pipeline with you later this year. We recently expanded our life sciences business through our investment in a Class A portfolio of life science assets anchored by John Hopkins Medical, which we purchased at an attractive valuation of $600 per square foot. Located in the 4th largest life science cluster in the U. S, Hopkins is a global leader in research and medicine and the number one recipient of government research funding. This acquisition leverages our unique expertise at the intersection of universities, life sciences and academic medicine.
In addition, we continue to invest capital in senior housing with our partner Le Group Maritz in Quebec. LGM maintains a 1st class brand, product and financial model for success. Our 2 most recently completed high end communities with LGM opened in the 4th quarter and have already achieved 87% occupancy. We have 3 additional developments underway with LGM, representing nearly $300,000,000 in aggregate project costs. Looking at the broader investment market, deal volume is again trending toward normalized levels.
In a typical year, our deal team reviews over $30,000,000,000 in investment opportunities. Our pipeline of potential investments across our asset is active and growing, and we are on our front foot from an external growth standpoint. We have access to significant liquidity and a wide array of capital sources to fund deals. Our investment philosophy continues to be focused on growing reliable cash flow and favorable risk adjusted return, And ultimate potential for cash flow growth and asset appreciation. In closing, we believe we've turned an important corner And key metrics in our business are showing meaningful improvement.
Deposit Investment thesis for all of our demographically driven asset classes and for Ventas is pointing firmly positive. As a team at Ventas, we're really happy about the strength and stability we've shown and the recent up in the economic, clinical and operating environment. We have an abiding commitment to win the recovery for all our stakeholders And we are confident we're taking the right steps to do so. Thank you. Now to Justin.
Thank you, Debbie. I am very excited the senior housing recovery is underway. As we've mentioned before, the lifestyle offering in our communities Will be a leading indicator of performance. Now that vaccines have been executed, activities are picking up again, communal dining is coming back And all of our communities are open to visitation from relatives, the underlying demand for our services should continue to strengthen. As we have visited communities recently, the enthusiasm expressed by residents, their relatives and employees is compelling As communities are literally coming back to life again.
As Debbie noted, we are pleased with the improvement in leading indicators And occupancy as our move in and move out performance in March April resulted in 266 and 363 net move ins respectively. We expect occupancy improvements benefiting If we use the move out rate as a percentage of the resident population from 2019 and apply that percentage to the current lower resident Occupancy, the outcome is lower move outs than pre pandemic levels. That in combination with a 2019 move in run rate Results in projected net positive occupancy gains. I refer to this as the turn the lights on scenario where we simply get the structural benefit from this netting effect. Having said that, March April both performed well above this baseline as we started to see a resurgence Of high converting lead sources, which include respites and personal referrals.
As these lead sources and professional referrals continue to We could see move in rates grow. Moving on to macro drivers. We remain optimistic On our long term supply and demand outlook, construction starts continue to decelerate in the Q1 to the lowest level since the Q1 of 2011 And we're down 77% from the peak in the Q4 of 2017. Fewer starts to translate into materially lower deliveries in 20222023. In addition, We expect strong demographic tailwinds to provide support for occupancy growth.
The 80 plus population is expected to grow 17% over the next 5 years, more than double the rate witnessed during the 5 year recovery following the financial crisis. I'll comment on our SHOP portfolio. When I joined Ventas just over a year ago, one of my first priorities was to assess the overall quality of our portfolio. Now that we are traveling again and visiting communities, I'm pleased to verify we benefit from a well invested, Highly diversified portfolio of market leading senior housing communities with service offerings that range from active adult, Independent living, social assisted living and assisted living and memory care. We are well located In high barrier markets that have substantial income and wealth demographics to support our offering, Our 3 primary operators, Les Groupes Maurice, Sunrise and Atria are each uniquely positioned To be competitive within their respective markets.
Collectively, they account for 90% of our SHOP NOI on a stabilized basis. With these attributes of a high quality portfolio in mind, moving forward, we are actively reviewing opportunities to optimize our portfolio through pruning, Strategic CapEx investment, transitioning communities, new developments and pursuing new acquisitions to maintain our strong market position in senior housing. Moving on to triple net senior housing. Given the proactive measures taken last year where we addressed a substantial portion of our portfolio And additionally paired with government subsidies and other tenant resources, our tenants continue to pay as expected in the Q1 And through April, Ventas received all of its expected triple net senior housing cash rent. Our trailing 12 cash Flow coverage for senior housing, which is reported 1 quarter in arrears is 1.3 times and stable versus the prior quarter.
I'll summarize by expressing our enthusiasm around our strong leading indicators, High quality portfolio of communities and operators, I have a high confidence in our ability to compete in what should be a very exciting period of recovery for the senior housing sector. With that, I'll hand the
call to Pete.
Thanks, Justin. I'll cover the Office and Healthcare Triple Net segments. Together, these segments represent over 50% of Aventis' NOI. They continue to produce solid and reliable results. First, a cover office.
The core office portfolio, Ex parking performed well. Core office grew 1.7% year on year and 1.1% sequentially. Those results were tempered by lower parking activity, which I'm pleased to say is materially increasing. All in, The office portfolio delivered $123,000,000 of same store cash NOI in the Q1. This represents An 80 basis point reported sequential growth.
In terms of rent collections, our strong record continued during the quarter and into April. This outstanding record is enabled by the mission critical nature of our portfolio and our high quality creditworthy tenancy. In our medical office portfolio, 88% of our NOI comes from investment grade rated tenants in HCA. In our life sciences portfolio, 76% of our revenues come directly from investment grade rated organizations and publicly traded companies. All of our MOB properties are in elective surgery restriction free locations And clinical activity and building utilization is rebounding.
A clinical rebound provides confidence to healthcare making business decisions. We're certainly seeing that on the real estate side. As an example, we are finishing negotiations on a 10 year 160,000 square foot renewal with a 16,000 square foot expansion with a leading health system in the Southeast. And another example, we relocated and extended several hospital offices on the Midwestern campus to accommodate The addition of a 50,000 square foot health care focused technical college. The leases will commence in July, a win for the health system, For the trailing 12 months, driven by this retention, total office leasing was nearly 1,000,000 square feet for the quarter.
This includes 160,000 square feet of new leasing. The result is that MOB occupancy stayed essentially flat, down only 10 basis points for the quarter, both sequentially and year on year. Previous actions to bolster leasing are Clearly showing results. In 2019, we hired a Head of Leasing. In 2020, we hired a digital marketing lead.
In 2020, we redeployed 30% of our 3rd party brokers. And in 2020, we increased the number of 3rd party brokers by 70% to impact the local coverage. Our digital marketing program focused on local market awareness and Virtual touring of vacant suites is fully in place and making a difference. Average length of term for new leases was 7.3 years, 5 months higher than the 2019 average. Renewal term length also exceeded 2019 averages.
Average escalators for new leasing was 2.7%, higher than our average in place escalator of 2.4%. All of this represents growing healthcare community confidence in the recovery. I'd also like to highlight our pre leasing construction initiative. This is where we take a vacant suite where it is difficult to visualize its future potential And either demolish the in place improvements to Core and Shell or complete a hospital standard physician suite in advance of leasing. We've invested over $2,000,000 in the pilot across 20 suites.
The results have been fantastic. These projects have driven 20 basis points of occupancy and created a nearly 20% return on investment. Because of these results, We intend to expand this program later this year. We remain enthusiastic about the office business and particularly investment opportunities in the R and I space. We continue to make progress on our recently announced $2,000,000,000 pipeline of development opportunities with Wexford.
We've publicly announced 4 projects in that pipeline: Arizona State University in Phoenix, which opened in the 4th quarter And is soon to be over 70% leased. Drexel University College of Nursing in Philadelphia is 100% leased. The project in partnership with the University of Pittsburgh for immunotherapy is 70% pre leased. And our new development in the thriving U City submarket of Philadelphia between Penn and Drexel is showing strong pre leasing activity. Since the acquisition of our South San Francisco Life Science Trophy asset, we have renewed several tenants and have driven occupancy to 100%.
In some cases, the mark to market has exceeded 30%. At our newest life sciences acquisition on the Johns Hopkins campus in Baltimore, We are in lease negotiations to take the buildings from 96% to 100% occupancy. Demand far exceeds our current capacity. Now let's turn to Healthcare Triple Net. During the Q1, our Healthcare Triple Net assets showed continued strength and reliability With 100 percent rent collections in April May, trailing 12 month EBITDARM cash flow coverage Through twelvethirty one improved sequentially for all of our healthcare triple net asset classes.
Acute Care Hospital's trailing 12 month coverage was a strong 3.5 times in the 4th quarter, A 20 basis point sequential improvement. Ardent has performed extremely well in this dynamic market. IRF and LTACH coverage Improved 10 basis points to 1.7x in the 1st quarter, buoyed by strong business results and government funding. Census levels were high at year end and continued into the Q1. During this period, Kindred has been able to demonstrate their expertise In treating complex respiratory disorders to their health system partners.
Regarding our loan portfolio, it is fully current. Finally, a word of thanks to our frontline workers who have kept our facilities open and safe during this last year. They are our heroes. We are relieved that now protected by the vaccine, they can do their jobs with peace of mind and in safety. With that, I'll turn the call over to Bob.
Thanks, Pete. In my remarks today, I'll cover our Q1 results, Our expectations for the Q2 of 2021 and our recent liquidity, balance sheet and capital activities. Let's start with our results in the Q1. Ventas recorded 1st quarter net income of minus $0.15 per share, Driven by non cash charges in the quarter as we transferred assets to held for sale. Normalized Funds from operations in the Q1 was $0.72 per share, a $0.01 beat versus the high end of our prior guidance range of $0.66 $0.71 As previously communicated and included in our Q1 guidance range, we received $0.04 In HHS grants and SHOP in Q1.
Adjusted for these grants, Q1 FFO per share was $0.68 As expected, office and triple net contributed stable sequential NOI performance in the Q1. Q1 outperformance was driven by better occupancy and lower than expected operating expenses in SHOP. As a result, same store shop NOI declined sequentially by 8% in the 2nd quarter versus the first. Turning to our Q2 guidance. 2nd quarter net income is estimated to range from flat to $0.07 per fully diluted share.
Our guidance range for normalized FFO for Q2 is $0.67 to $0.71 per share. The Q2 FFO midpoint of $0.69 is $0.01 higher sequentially than the Q1 results due to an improving SHOP trajectory After adjusting for HHS grants in both periods, key second quarter assumptions underlying our guidance are as follows. Starting with shop. Q2 spot occupancy from March 31 to June 30 to increase between 150 basis points to 250 basis points, with the midpoint assuming the occupancy improvement in March April continues through May June. Sequential SHOP revenue is expected to grow modestly as a result of occupancy gains, While operating expenses, excluding HHS grants, are forecast to be flat, with lower COVID Offsetting higher costs due to increased occupancy, higher community activity levels and an additional day in the second quarter.
Finally, we've not included the receipt of HHS grants in SHOP in our Q2 guidance. In our Office and Triple Net segments, We expect stable NOI in Q2 relative to Q1. And finally, we continue to assume $1,000,000,000 in proceeds No trends in shop are positive. The pandemic's impact on our business remain very difficult to predict. I'll close our prepared remarks with our liquidity, balance sheet and capital activity.
We continue to enjoy robust liquidity with $2,700,000,000 as of May 5. Notably in the Q1, we renewed our revolver at better pricing It improved our near term maturity profile by fully repaying $400,000,000 of senior notes due 2023. In terms of capital structure, we maintained total debt to gross asset value at 37% in the 1st quarter. Q1 net debt to EBITDA was 7.1 times, as EBITDA continued to feel the impacts of COVID in the quarter. We expect net debt to EBITDA will reach its peak in the first half of twenty twenty one and then begin to improve in the second half as senior housing rebounds And we reduced debt with asset sales.
On behalf of all my colleagues, Ventas is committed to continuing to take the actions to win the post pandemic recovery, which finally is appearing in our sights. That concludes our prepared remarks.
Your first question today comes from the line of Amanda Switzer with Baird. Please proceed with your question. Thanks. Good morning. You highlighted the opportunity for further improvement in move ins as Higher conversion lead sources and respite stays returned.
Can you quantify that opportunity at all? Where could it take your conversion rate or index move ins?
Amanda, this is Debbie. Good morning. I just want to welcome you. I think this is your first time participating in our calls and we want to welcome you, but I'll
Elaine, Arlene, I'll move in and follow-up. I'll just start with prepared remarks. And what I'd like to highlight is that The typical primary driver of lead conversion comes from professional and personal referrals. That's Historically been a very strong driver throughout the pandemic. The business has been resilient.
It's benefited from leads driven through company Internet. It's been benefited from leads driven through referral agencies. Those referral sources should persist. But what we're looking to see come back and what has started to come back are those other referral sources, personal and professional referrals, Which converts at 20% to 25% each versus the overall 10% conversion rate that we experienced plus respites. To put all this together, breastfeeds have during the pandemic ran at about a 25% of pre pandemic level run rate.
They're back to 50% now. Personal referrals ran at 50% to 60%, they're back to 94% now. Those will grow because that's simply residents and relatives referring their friends, which is phenomenal and that will grow as our occupancy grows. And then professional referrals, if you want a leading indicator for that category, look toward healthcare activity. As Healthcare and skilled nursing picks up.
That's a driver of professional referrals and those are still running at only 50%. So given that and given where our And the strong net activity we have, we do feel comfortable that there's opportunity for more move ins over time. And that's We highlighted that. We could see a pickup in 10%, 20% of our move in volume Over time as those leads come back. And we started to see it come back.
You'll notice on the slide that we highlighted Q1 and we know that in March April that there's particularly respites and the personal referrals are playing a bigger role And leads and therefore driving more move ins.
Thanks for that detail. That's helpful. And then following up, can you talk more about Trends you're seeing within U. S. Shops specifically across different acuity levels, either in terms of occupancy improvement or movements relative to 2019, Have you seen a return of a more lifestyle driven customer in the U.
S?
Yes. I can tell you that independent living Performed well throughout the pandemic and continues to perform well. We have a strong Concentration of Independent Living and Social Assisted Living, which is otherwise known as AL Light, they have played a big role in the recovery that Debbie mentioned in her prepared remarks. There's also a little bit of a geographic lift From the southern part of the United States where they had 3.40 basis points growth relative to the 280 that Debbie reported over That time period from the low part of March to the end of April. So, but I think the bigger point is that Across the U.
S, it's really every asset class and geography is contributing to the recovery thus far.
Thanks, Amanda.
Thank you. Appreciate the time. Your next question comes from the line of Rich Anderson with SMBC. Please proceed with your question.
Thanks. Good morning.
Hi, Rich. This is not your first rodeo with Ventas. So welcome to also.
Actually, it
is my 100th earnings season, few of us on the
call. Congratulations.
So on the Position side and maybe a more broad discussion is on your view of senior housing. Obviously, you're getting more Excited about it, but there was a period of time where you were making it clear that your area of growth for the company was much more aligned with life science and medical office. With what you're seeing now in terms of recovery, has that mindset sort of meaningfully changed? And when you look at Dispositions, where will that come out of in terms of how the pie chart might look down the road?
Great. Well, in the dispositions, we've commented that we expect it to be a combination of office and senior housing. And again, Justin here to exercise his professional judgment in terms of How we can make dispositions, enhance our portfolio. And so, a year later, he's finally getting to that. But, Tess, I don't know what you've been doing in between now and then, but Keith, finally, so that's how we're looking at the disposition side.
And then on the investment I would say clearly, our priorities have been the La Groutte Maurice ground up developments, Which is a great business model and has done consistently really well. It's been obviously the life science with the South San Francisco and Hopkins Investments as well as the ground up developments that are opening kind of seriatim here with the pipeline behind that. And of course, we continue to look at other healthcare asset classes and senior housing. So I think we really are on our front foot across our asset classes, Rich.
I guess the question is, is senior housing a bigger piece of the puzzle 2, 3 years out now that you're seeing what you're seeing, that's the crux of the question.
Well, I believe, first of all, the most important embedded up that we have in the company is recapturing and exceeding prior levels of NOI. And as I mentioned, we have every opportunity to do so. And then of course on the investment side, you could see external growth coming from that as well. Okay.
And just a quick one. On the triple net number down 13%, you kind of listed a few good things on the IRF and L And this hospital side, what was it what's the noise in that number that created that 13% downward number on a same store basis year over year Since you're just collecting rent, no one?
I'll take that one. Rich, that's the Brookdale restructure we did, as you know, in the second half of last year. So you've seen that
Right. And even though, yes, as you recall, we essentially collected 2.5 years worth of full rent up It gets run through the financial statements differently. And just a gratuitous We're very pleased to see how Brookdale reported numbers today and glad we have the warrants.
Yes. I guess I was asking again, my ghost question is like what would that 13 be if you normalize those types of things out? That's what I'm
asking. Well, normalized for the big rocks that we addressed Last year, you'll see escalator type growth rates, that's the nature of it.
Okay. Thanks very much.
Yes.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Jordan Sadler with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you and good morning. My question really comes back to the move ins. And Justin, I wanted to come back to your Comments about the turn the lights on scenario. So if you look across The portfolio, what would that scenario and you overlay sort of what happened in 2019, So the 2019 move ins and the 2019 move outs as a percent of in place occupancy, what does that suggest That absorption could look like in 2021?
Yes, just basically turning the lights on as I described it, you show up the word based on that structural advantage, 30 basis points, 40 basis points a month. Obviously, we're performing well above that for The reasons I described earlier.
Okay, that's helpful. And then And maybe as a follow-up non sequitur, on the sort of investment opportunity that you guys are seeing, Where would you say it's more heavily weighted right now? I know you guys have flagged some of the R and But is there more development to come there? Or is it more of an acquisition story?
It's both. I think it will be a mixture of the ground up development in senior housing as we
talked about as well as like science
and research and As we talked about as well as like science and research and innovation and we've always been an effective Consolidator as we've grown and we're starting to see that deal volume as we talked about. And so I would expect there to be
Your next question comes from the line of Nick Joseph with Citi.
Thanks. Maybe following up on the expected dispositions, where are those assets right now in terms of marketing and just being identified?
They're in the pipeline at differing stages. Some are already kind of out there, others are Almost out there and others are kind of on the way. So it's going through the system.
Worth reiterating, Nick, that we expect to close to get the proceeds in the back half of the year. So It gives you a sense that they're well underway in many cases.
Thanks. And then maybe just on senior housing. You've obviously talked a lot about 4 demand drivers and the demographics. Just from an industry perspective though, when would you expect To start to accelerate, obviously, they're well down from their previous peak. But just given kind of the forward runway That you and the industry is looking at, when would you expect that to attract additional development studies?
Yes. I mean, we are Evaluating that closely and I would say that it is a matter of judgment and experience to make such a prediction. I'm curious what's interesting. Again, starts are dramatically better in the sense that, as Justin said, the Q1 was down Gigantically from the peak and then the lowest level since 2011. So that's Really, really good.
We know that really when you look forward in the near term That the most important thing is even if over the next couple of years things start to get on The drawing board, you're going to have this window of opportunity where you're going to have 3% to 4% CAGR on over 80 population, which ultimately spikes in 26%, 27%, over 6 percent as you know, and you're going to have this window of time where the Kind of embedded communities are going to have some really great supply demand tailwinds in this sort of Intermediate term. So hard to say when they would pick up again. We know there are increased construction costs. We know there are supply chain issues. Those will probably delay some of the things that would start.
And we also know that Rents right now may not be supportive of those higher construction costs. So when you put all those things together, we like the forward runway as we come out of we really emerge post pandemic into the recovery.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Bernstein with Capital One. Please proceed with your question.
Good morning. I'm going to stick with Senior Housing here. So I was listening to the Brookdale call this morning and they indicated that they were looking at maybe more flat margins in 2Q and then a ramp up in the second half of the year. So I was trying to, I guess pick your brains and how you're thinking about the margin ramp in seniors housing might look like given trends in occupancy? Yes.
So, hi, it's Justin. You would definitely expect to see The NOI growth really lagged the occupancy. Revenue comes first and then there's a dynamic Now where you have COVID expenses should come down and then some of the operating expenses will come back up. Obviously, the second quarter has an So there's some little extra expense coming from that. But as you run forward, you would see margin As kind of the lagging the last lagging performance metric.
And then maybe a related question is how are you thinking about pricing power in the industry? Historically, we've 85, upper 80s of occupancy to see pricing matching inflation. Have the dynamics changed at all in terms of the industry's focus on acuity that might allow pricing power earlier Than in previous cycles?
Well, I would say that We get the advantage of the highly leveraged business on the way up. So it's really a volume game right now and operators are using discounting Price incentives to try to encourage volume. And we would definitely expect that to continue for a period of time. Saying that just 2 months into this recovery though that we're starting to hear is more selectivity around discounting, focusing On certain markets and but until we start to see consistent recovery and occupancy to get a little higher, I would expect Price to be a tool operator is used to go for volume.
And as you know, once we build the volume, We get the benefit of the in place increases when you turn the page to 2022 and we have really been able to see pretty strong pricing power in that environment even this January 1. And so that's really where you start to accrete in terms The benefit of the volume that Justin is talking about.
Yes, that's a really good point. I appreciate the time.
Thank you.
Thanks.
Your next question comes from the line of Juan Sanabriao with BMO Capital. Please proceed with your question. Hi, good morning.
Hi, Juan.
Question for So you've been in the seat about a year now. Curious if you've changed the approach or the management of from an asset management of the seniors housing business, whether it's by geography or partner or things you've stamped on The enterprise and then kind of secondly or related to that, I noticed you didn't necessarily call out a clip to one of your Top operators that constitute 90% of the shop business, you previously talked about joint venturing that. Is that something that's still on the table or how are you
I'll start with the first question. In 2020, The pandemic really drove the priorities. One thing that we did want to make sure though is that we had adequate resources and attention on the triple net priorities and we addressed A lot in 2020. Now we're moving to recovery. So we certainly have resources focused on supporting operators through the recovery and Taking some of the portfolio actions that I described in my remarks.
In regards to Eclipse, there's Really the 3 operators I highlighted were Sunrise Atria and the Groupon Reefs. Together on a stabilized basis, that's 90% of our business. Eclipse is in the 10%, along with a handful of others.
Okay. And just curious on the move in data, what is the data analytics telling you about the acuity level of the people coming in? Are you seeing pent up demand presumably some level given you're over 100% of what You saw 'nineteen and what does the data history suggest in terms of what that may do to the length of stay if in fact you're seeing higher acuity coming in?
Yes, it's a great question. Throughout the past 12 months, we've actually seen length of stay go up. And part of the driver of that was that reduced respite business that I described earlier. So length of stay has gone up a little bit, it'll Come down a little bit as we bring more short term space back into the pipeline. In regards to pent up demand, If you look at the leads, Page 9 on the business update, you'll notice that leads are at about 104%.
When we think about pent up demand, I think of 120, 130, some big number that's lined up and we really just look at it as demand And demand that's not even fully supported by traditional lead sources. So not so much pent up, but Certainly, we're pleased with the recovery thus far. And one other thing I'd mention is that, as we've spoken with operators, they're not Having leads come to the doorstep and say I've been waiting for the vaccine or I've been waiting to make this decision, We actually had quite
a bit of activity throughout the
pandemic and if you normalize it for the communities that were closed, it was pretty consistent. So we're just seeing the communities open again and some resources come back and providing demand for our service.
Thanks, Justin. Appreciate the time.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Vikram Malhotra with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.
Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions.
And thanks for all the data on the on think Slide 8, 9 and 10, a lot
of useful
information. Maybe just first one on the just going back to the margin and the Spence side, maybe just if you can walk us through how operators are prepping for this potential increase over 2Q and potentially 3Q From a labor perspective and all the other sort of bigger line items in terms of Food and maybe even PPE, just like how have the operators already staffed up? Do we anticipate margins inflecting in near term at least? And then if you could just extend that to talk about labor.
Sure. Yes. So in the near term, margins, We expect to be relatively flat, because in total expenses, you have COVID coming down, you have other operating expenses Coming up, if you look ahead at our quarter, we're projecting around $7,500,000 of expense growth. Half of that's just an extra day in the quarter. The rest is a mix of just labor costs and other expenses.
So it's not really a big mover in the near term. And then After as we get into more occupancy recovery, of course, we would expect expenses to lift a bit, but we would expect a very high margin on that incremental revenue.
And then Maybe just, Debbie, bigger picture, given this recovery and the potential now you're citing over a multiyear period, Maybe give us some color on whether you're maybe rethinking the acquisition focus in terms of buckets. Is there an opportunity For Ventas to get more aggressive on senior housing in certain areas, or are you sticking sort of a more balanced approach?
Again, we do highly subscribe to the benefits of diversification, Vikram. It has served us incredibly Well, over the years and particularly over the last year, we have always been big believers in the senior living business. We're Excited that we have this recovery upside opportunity embedded in our portfolio now, and we intend to capture that. And also we totally do intend to invest and acquire senior housing, Assuming we find assets of a quality and in markets where we think it's really going to provide good Risk adjusted return. But yes, we would certainly expect to have that in our acquisition buckets.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Lukas Hartwich with Green Street. Please proceed with your question. Thanks. So when it comes to capital allocation, can you just provide an update on the house view on senior housing development I'm just curious what the opportunity set looks like in terms of size and maybe returns?
Well, we talked about it a little bit and good morning, and welcome to you also. We talked about a little bit, construction costs are relatively high. We do know we have the growth in the 80 plus population, which is Really fueling this demographic demand that we have. And right now, I think really With the existing investment basis that we have in senior housing, again, the big opportunity is to recover that. There's an opportunity to invest in this great business model that we have in Canada with LTM.
We certainly would look at senior Ground up development in the U. S. Because we do say there's because of the demand, but from a cost standpoint, I think As we discussed, I think you'd have to be cautious to make sure that the returns penciled out commensurate with the risk.
That's helpful. And then on the disposition guidance, when it comes to SHOP, I'm just curious how you're thinking about Selling now versus waiting to let the story on fundamentals improve?
Yes, very important question. Justin, why don't you address that?
Sure. So one of the big priorities is to make sure that we're well positioned for the recovery. I mentioned some of the operators. There's certainly communities that have probably less potential To contribute to the recovery or maybe it may not be a long term fit for us or maybe a better fit in the hands of a different operator. And so there There's a lot of review underway and actions that we're considering that should net really positive in terms of the overall quality and growth of our portfolio.
Very helpful. Thank you.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Steven Valiquette with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.
Good morning. Good morning.
So just using round numbers here. Well, first, my question also relates to the operating leverage within the SHOP portfolio that was touched on earlier. A few things on numbers, you lost about 1,000 bps of occupancy, close to 1,000 bps of NOI margin when we take stimulus out of the equation.
That's pretty
much in line with the industry averages.
You did talk about the lag in
the NOI margin recovery versus occupancy recovery this year In 'twenty one, but over the next few years, should we assume that the SHOP NOI margins ultimately get back to that 29% to 30% range that we saw In 2019 pre pandemic, just want to confirm the longer term view around that dynamic? Thanks.
Hi, it's Justin. I'll just mention that the answer is yes. There There was a question earlier on the call that talked about pricing power and pricing, it's going to be volume first. And then as pricing returns, that's going to help margin get all the way back to pre pandemic levels.
Together with the underlying fundamentals, we need to keep pointing to supply demand equation. And again, as occupancy begins to rehydrate, In place increases, more pricing power. So I don't think there's any reason to believe anything other than we'll get back to normal over time.
Your next question comes from the line of Nick Yulico with Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.
So just going back to the move in data and the topic of pent up demand, I think you said earlier in the call that April was the most move ins you've had in a single month since June of 2019. And then you're also saying that you didn't think that there was that much pent up demand. I'm just trying to square those two comments together because seems like if the move ins are that high, there is some level of pent up demand that's benefiting move ins right now.
Yes, that's really not what we're hearing. And it very well could be just organic Demand. So there are go ahead, Justin.
Well, I
was just going
to say there's one other Point that as I mentioned earlier and that's really the as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, the move outs being lower as well. So, see there's a certain amount of this kind of structural Nothing that's going to occur. And then you have the resurgence of the higher converting leads. They're not all the way back yet. That's why just That combined with the feedback from the operators in terms of what they're seeing at their door, it's not something we necessarily characterize as pent up.
You know, it just probably one of the biggest indicators of that I think I mentioned earlier is the personal referrals. These are relatives and residents referring their friends again like as they did The overall demand fundamentals are recovering, not necessarily
And I guess as we think about The guidance for the Q2, 150 to 250 basis points of spot occupancy benefit. How Should we think about that as a sequential benefit in future quarters? Meaning, is this an unusually large benefit that you're expecting the Q2, because your move outs are low and eventually move outs will pick up, you have sort of this High level of move in activity right now, which is high conversion rate, but we'll see how that Going forward, we're just trying to think about as we're thinking about the sequential occupancy build going forward here, is the 2nd quarter number a Reasonable number to think that carries through in the future or there's some unusual benefits in the second quarter?
I'd highlight what Justin described as the turn on the lights scenario, which is the lower occupancy means lower move out at Same rate of move out that over time goes away, obviously, as occupancy goes up. So in that regard, that's temporal. The move ins and the sort of 100% to 110% before some of these incremental referrals would suggest There should be continued move in opportunity over time. This isn't so much as just real demand. And so put those together and it not only benefits the Q2, but should benefit the future.
And your next question comes from the line of Michael Carroll with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Yes, thanks. Just off of, I guess, Nick's question on handset demand, and I'm sorry, I see my phone break out. So You might have answered this already if I missed it. But I know you haven't liked the term of pent up demand and I've been hearing you a few times on this call. I mean, do you Expect that we'll see some level of pent up demand that could drive leads and move ins higher from today's level over the next few months or how should we think about that?
I mean, our bias really, Mike, is that this is organic demand That is based upon the need based nature of the communities and the availability of the Communities. And it is strong resilient organic demand, and that's really good. And whether it's pent up or not, we aren't hearing From good sources that it's anything other than move ins that would have moved in now anyway. I don't know if that makes it more clear, but go ahead, Justin. One
other point, in Page 9, If you ignore the 1st 2 months, which April, May, the beginning of the pandemic, you just draw a straight line across the averages. Even during the pandemic, we were running 80% leave, move ins, and we had 20% of our communities closed at any given time. Yes. So people continue to move in as they have the need.
Yes. I was actually looking at that on Page 9 of the deck And you can see that there is and that's why I think we keep using this word resilient, which I know we use frequently, but It really is sustained need based demand from a growing demographic and that is very positive.
Okay. Yes, I was just trying to get to that. So, we expect Penta demand could enter the market as these other referral sources come on and we could see Some of those leads and move even move higher from this point?
Well, they could because when you Maybe whatever you want to call it, it's okay with us. But when you think about it, for example, when UnitedHealthcare Reported and they said really that senior level medical procedures and surgeries and things really hadn't bounced Fully back, okay. And you connect that with what Justin said earlier that really a leading indicator Those kind of professional referrals would be really healthcare procedures. As those Senior start to have those procedures. If you look at that and then you see those professional referrals come back, you could characterize that if you want to pent up want to quibble over words.
I think what's good is there's really good demand and we're seeing it come through and it's It's been 2 consecutive months and we hope and are projecting for the Q2 that it will continue.
Okay. And then just one more real quick. The lead data that you have in the presentation, I guess, what's the breakout of that between U. S. And Canada?
Canada has been a little bit weaker due to the COVID outbreak. So is leads in the U. S. Higher than Canada?
Yes. So the way I characterize Canada, maybe it's not around leads, it's more around just their move Canada, at page you might look at is Page 7, where at the top there's a Purple number 4, that really just marks when Canada had 75% of the communities vaccinated. You could see that much later than the US. And the good news is we know once we got there in the US that the trends have been Phenomenally strong. We would expect the same thing in Canada.
So there was a little bit of underperformance. You can see that on the next page Where Canada in March was negative 20 basis points, obviously U. S. Was up 80 basis point during that time. So they're just lagging a little bit.
The vaccines came later. They've been a good performer for us. We would expect them to come back as the vaccines are fully executed.
Okay, great. Thanks.
Mike, thanks. And again, compliments on your life science report.
Your next question comes from the line of Joshua Baralen with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
Yes. Good morning, everyone. Hi.
I had a question on margins. Just kind of thinking about the shop margins Going forward, is there anything structural that you're seeing that would prevent the SHOP margin from hitting their pre pandemic levels kind of once we return to pre pandemic Occupancy levels?
Sure. Josh, I think fundamentally, structurally, as we look at it, There isn't anything structurally that would suggest that the margin structure is changing fundamentally, timing of that To be determined, obviously. But again, the value proposition of senior housing, demand that we've seen through the pandemic and that we're seeing especially now in the second quarter, in pricing power, which will return over Time, we believe will give some confidence in that.
Okay. So it does sound like once we get to like a pre pandemic Level, we should see the margins kind of hit roughly the same. I guess what I'm asking is like, is there really are you going to do anything differently On the operator front, as far as like cleaning protocols that might be higher expenses going forward or anything like that?
Yes, I'd say on the margin there might be some of that, but it's going to be relatively limited Moving forward, once we get out, the pandemic gets further behind us. So we're definitely comfortable that margins come back.
Okay. And then thinking another question is kind of briefly touched on, but just wanted to ask kind of a little bit differently on On new rate for move ins, what's like the current level of discounting going on? Is it 1 month free or any kind of dates there
There is basically you name it. There is one more free being given, there is The community fees, there's just kind of structurally lower rent being offered. Typically, care charges are never discounted, But rent, community fees are a fair game and operators tend to give them upfront, so you can get The impact of the discount is behind us, but there is a wide variety of discounting right now in the market.
Okay. Has that accelerated over the past months or is it kind of holding just steady at this point?
It's been relatively steady. Yes, It found its way into the system last fall and it's been relatively steady. And like I said earlier, Operators are starting to get very focused on local markets and pulling back on the discounting where they're already seeing recovery. Once that I'll mention that kind of supports that is that 16% of our communities at the end of April are back to pre pandemic Occupancies. So you would imagine that they have pricing power now moving forward again.
And so operators are identifying those communities,
Great. Thank you.
Thanks.
Your next question comes from the line of Sarah Tan with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question. Hi, good morning. I'm Sarah on for Mike Mala. Just wanted for Justin regarding the Senior Housing operating portfolio specifically, I think you alluded to some demand differences between the 7 and Northern geographies.
What are you seeing in terms of similarities or differences between more urban assets and the ones in the suburbs?
Yes, sure. There's been a wide, I'd say, the recovery has been experienced in every geography. And there's been a little bit of difference. The only real meaningful difference that we can point to is really the South and the Southeast. If you dig down into local markets, New York is one that comes to mind that we visited recently.
Obviously, they had a very bad early experience with the pandemic. Several of those communities have very, very high leads and move ins. And so you're seeing some recovery And in the Northeast, it's going to vary by asset type and price point and There's a lot of shaking out to do I think before we really start calling markets or particular asset classes, it's still really early, But the widespread recovery is very encouraging.
Okay, thank you so much. That's all for me.
Thanks, Sarah. Okay, Yes, bring it on.
And your last question for today comes from the line of Omidyoh Okusanya with Mizuho. Please proceed with your question.
Tayo,
You may be on mute.
Hello, Tammy.
We can now.
Excellent. I'm doubting last. That's great. Congratulations on a great quarter.
Thank you.
Justin, this one is Specifically for you, again, the occupancy gains since you're alone in the past, Yes, let's call it 60 days, have been really, really strong. Your 2Q guidance, your assumptions are also really, really strong. You have a peer out Fair. We've also seen similar trends, but doesn't seem quite as strong as the numbers you're seeing and the numbers you're kind of forecasting. Can you talk a little bit about why that would be?
Why this kind of meaningful difference between the 2, let's call it, near term outlook?
I really can't comment on what the peers are seeing, but just within our own markets and what we're seeing in terms of performance and Leads and etcetera, there continues to be strong support for move ins. And then as I mentioned earlier, with move outs being structurally lower, there's strong support for netting. So that's what we're seeing.
Right. And also we had strong Outperformance in the Q1 and that's obviously helping that momentum.
Right. And then from a recovery perspective, Justin, kind of thematically, is it the higher end of the market That's recovering factors on the lower price points. Is it the state that kind of got hit with COVID first That have kind of now recovered faster. This year if you kind of share any kind of when you look
at the data things you're picking up?
That's a great question. And I can tell you that we're looking for those correlations and we're not seeing them yet. What we know is that in the U. S. There's been widespread recovery.
We know that Canada is lagging, but a traditionally very strong performer. And then we'll study it closely as the trends materialize.
All right. Still more to come. That's great. Thank you all.
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