Earnings Call: Q3 2019

Nov 5, 2019

Quarterly report

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Q3 2019 Xenon Pharmaceuticals, Inc. Earnings conference call. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ms. Jody Rates. Ma'am, you may begin. Thank you. Good afternoon. Thanks for joining us on our call and webcast to discuss our financial and operating results from the third quarter of 2019. Joining me on today's call are Doctor. Simon Pimstone, Xenon's Chief Executive Officer and Ian Mortimerzient, Xenon's President and Chief Financial Officer. Following this introduction, Simon will give an overview of Xenon's clinical programs, and then Ian will review our financial results. After that, we will open up the call to your questions. Please be advised that during this call we will make a number of statements that are forward looking including statements about the sufficiency of our cash to fund operations into 2021, the timing of our IND or IND equivalent submissions with regulatory agencies, the initiation of future clinical trials, the efficacy of our clinical trial designs and anticipated data, Today's press release summarizing our third quarter 2019 results and the accompanying quarterly report on Form 10 Q will be made available under the Investors section of our website at www.xenonpharma.com and filed with the SEC on SEDAR. I'd now like to turn the call over to Simon. Thank you, Jody, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, I'll provide an update on each of our clinical stage programs, including XEN496, XEN1101, XEN901 and XEN007. And I'll highlight some of the important milestone events anticipated this year. After Ian's financial commentary and a recap of our recent agreement reflection, we'll open the call for questions. So I'll start with XEN496. At KB7 potassium channel modulator, we are developing as a treatment for a rare pediatric neurodevelopmental disorder called KCNQ2 developmental and epileptic encephalopathy, or otherwise known as KCNQ2DE, sometimes referred to as EIEE7. Ezodabine, which is the active ingredient in XEN496, was previously approved by the FDA as an adjuvant treatment for adult partial onset seizures but was withdrawn from the market for commercial reasons in 2017. There's a strong genetic rationale to suggest that ezogabine may be efficacious as a treatment for KCNQ2DE. This is further supported by non controlled clinical studies as well as anecdotal parental and physician feedback suggesting that XEN496 may be well tolerated and reduced seizure burden with potential to proved developmental and cognition or development and cognition in this rare pediatric population. We recently conducted a survey of patients and caregivers in the KCNQ2DE community. And their feedback continues to support our rationale for developing XEN496 for this rare pediatric developmental epilepsy disorder. We'll be presenting details on our survey work at the upcoming annual meeting of the American epilepsy Society or AES in early December. We obtained orphan drug designation from the FDA for XEN496 as a treatment for KCNQ2DE. In response to our pre IND briefing package that included our proposal to study XEN496 in infants and children with KCNQ2DE, The FDA supported our proposed safety monitoring plans, including long term follow-up to monitor potential side effects, and indicated that a single small pivotal trial could be sufficient provided we see substantial evidence of effectiveness in KCNQ2DE. The key hurdle to overcome was developing a formulation of XEN496 that would be suitable for administration to children including to infants. The original hard coated tablet was difficult to cut precisely, thereby making accurate dosing a challenge. And in addition, the original tablets were unstable in solution when compounded often turning blue in color. We have now completed developments of a pediatric friendly formulation to advance into clinical testing. This has been a considerable amount of work this year, and we are very pleased with the attributes of the final chosen drug products. The XEN496 final drug product is a granule formulation that will be packaged as sprinkle capsules, giving parents or caregivers the ability to disperse the granules into the chosen semi solid or liquid food carrier. The in vitro and in vivo testing done to dates demonstrates that XEN496 acts as an immediate release drug and has similar pharmacokinetics to what was observed with ezogabine tablets. These results provide a high degree of confidence to advance which are now underway. Our planned PK study in healthy adult subjects is being conducted in order to show that XEN496 is providing adequate drug exposure in humans. All subjects are expected to be dosed by the end of this year. We anticipate that this human PK data will confirm what we have observed in the in vitro and in vivo work completed earlier this year. The in the first quarter of 2020 in order to initiate a Phase III clinical trial in KCNQ2DE We believe given our precision medicine approach as well as our planned administration in the very young, XEN496 in its new pediatric formulation offers children with KCNQDE, a promising chance of seizure control, as well as a chance at disease modification, something not yet observed with any anesthesia medication. As mentioned, The data recently obtained on the patient experience with ezogabine from our case in Q2 DEE patient survey is highly supportive of this approach. And will be presented at AES in early December. We look forward to working with the FDA and potentially other regulatory authorities on advancing XEN496 into an IND filing in the first quarter of 2020 to support a pivotal trial. Next up in our pipeline is XEN1101, a differentiated next generation Kv7 potassium channel modulator being developed for the treatment of adult focal epilepsy and potentially other neurological disorders. Patient enrollment for currently underway in the U. S, Canada and Europe. The trial is designed as a randomized, double blind, placebo controlled multi center study, to evaluate the clinical efficacy, safety and tolerability of XEN1101 administered as adjunctive treatment in approximately 300 adult patients with focal epilepsy. The primary endpoint in this trial is the median percent change in monthly focal seizure frequency from baseline compared to treatment period of active versus placebo. To date, Feedback from sites is positive with investigators supportive of the Kv7 mechanism of action in epilepsy. If approved XEN1101 could represent an only drug in class. We recently completed long term 6 or 9 month toxicology studies to support the planned 12 month open label extension for patients enrolling in the phase 2b clinical trial. The long term toxicology studies offered no new findings and support the ongoing advancement of XEN1101 into the open label stage of the trial. As previously guided, depending on the rates of enrollment, top line results are anticipated in the second half of twenty twenty. The 3rd product in our portfolio of epilepsy programs is XEN901, a potent and highly selective NAV 1.6 sodium channel inhibitor being developed for the treatment of epilepsy. The phase 1 clinical trial was completed to evaluate XEN901 safety, tolerability and PK in both single ascending and multiple ascending dose cohorts of healthy adult subjects and included a pilot TMS pharmacodynamic readouts As with XEN1101, the observed changes in TMS EMG and TMS EEG parameters suggest activity of XEN901 in the target CNS tissue. The FDA provided feedback on the requirements to support advancing XEN901 directly into a pediatric clinical trial examining its efficacy in pediatric patients with SCN8A developmental and epileptic encephalopathy otherwise known as SCN8ADE. As with XEN496, we've developed a pediatric friendly granule formulation of EN901 with good in vitro and in vivo characteristics. We also recently completed juvenile toxicology studies, to support pediatric development activities. A PK study testing the novel pediatric formulation is underway and healthy adult volunteers. Based on the anticipated timing We anticipate filing an IND or IND equivalent submission in the first quarter of 2020 in order to start a proposed Phase II or III clinical trial in SCN8A DEE patients. We also continue to evaluate plans to potentially advance XEN901 into an adult study in patients with focal epilepsy. We continue to support initiatives that may such as SCN8A DEE and KCNQ2DE. And on our last call, I briefly summarized a webinar that was hosted by the KCNQ2 cure alliance for patients and families within the KCNQ2 community. Similarly, we recently participated in an educational webinar hosted by a patient advocacy group called the Cute Syndrome Foundation. Which is focused on raising awareness of SCN8A related epilepsy and supporting families affected by this disorder. Joining host Hillary Savoyah of acute syndrome was Doctor. John Schreiber, a well known neurologist and assistant professor of neurology and pediatrics at George Washington University, as well as Doctor. Michael Hammer from the University of Arizona, who is creating an SCN 8A registry to make available important information about the clinical features, causes and treatments of SCN8A epileptic encephalopathy to families and doctors and researchers. During the webinar, we delivered a status update on our XEN901 program and discussed the importance of a brief xenon sponsored patient survey. We encourage caregivers to participate in the survey since we know from our experience with the previously KCNQ2 survey that this data could be extremely useful to inform the design of a pediatric clinical trial for SCN8ADE We will present some of the SCN 8A survey data at the upcoming AES meeting in Baltimore in early December. Just briefly, I'd like to highlight that we continue to evaluate selective NAV 1.6 compounds and NAV 1.21.6 dual acting compounds for development behind XEN901. And we also expect to highlight some of this exciting and novel preclinical work in poster sessions at the upcoming AES meeting in early Denver. The 4th clinical stage product in our Neurology pipeline is XEN007, with the active ingredient flunarizine. XEN007 is a CNS acting calcium channel modulator that modulates CAV 2.1 and T type calcium channels, Other reported mechanisms include dopamine, histamine and serotonin inhibition. Available in certain countries outside of the United States, Trinara'sine has been reported to a clinical benefit in treating migraine and other neurological disorders. The FDA has granted Xenon a rare pediatric disease designation for XEN007 as a treatment of alternating hemiplegia of childhood or AHC. And previously granted xenon orphan drug designation for XEN007 as a treatment of both AHC and hemiplegic migraine. Xenon has entered into key licensing and manufacturing agreements to support their advanced clinical development of XEN007, with a number of orphan pediatric neurological conditions and development pathways under consideration. During our analysis of Neurological indications, we identified childhood absence epilepsy or CAE as a potential indication for XEN007. In CAE, Abson seizures are characterized by an abrupt impairment of awareness with arrest in behavior, staring, eyelid flattering and automatisms associated with generalized 3 Hertz spike wave discharges on electroencephalogram or EEG. A child may have 1 or many, sometimes up to 100 apps on seizures a day. And have problems with attention and learning. Flunarizine has demonstrated efficacy in preclinical models of absence seizures, and flunarizine has been shown to be well tolerated clinically. Flunarizine has significantly reduced the number and duration of Spike wave discharges on EEG in these models as monotherapy and when combined with valproic acid or ethosaxamide significantly reduced the spike wave discharge EEGs more than any drug alone. We are delighted to announce today that a physician led Phase II proof of concept study was recently initiated in Canada to examine the potential clinical efficacy safety and tolerability of XEN007 as an treatment resisted childhood absence epilepsy. We expect that the study will enroll approximately 20 patients with CAE in an open label manner after failing standard of care because of lack of efficacy or because of adverse events. To provide a bit more background on CAE, approximately 10% of seizures in children with epilepsy are typical absence seizures. Age of onset ranges generally from 3 to 13 years with a peak at 6 to 7 years. Epsilon seizures can have a significant impact on quality of life episodes of unconsciousness may occur at any time and usually without warning. Effective children need to take cautions to prevent injury during absence periods and should refrain from activities that would put them at risk if seizures occurred. Often school staff members are the first to notice the recurrent episodes of Epsilon seizures and treatment is generally initiated because of the adverse impact on learning. Of the estimated 40,000 to 50,000 CAE patients in the U S, Approximately 45% are considered treatment failures, defined by failures due to the tolerability or onset of generalized tonic chronic seizures or the persistence of absence seizures. Results from this phase 2 investigator led proof of concept study are expected in 2020. We are excited about the potential for XEN007 in childhood absence epilepsy and believe this could potentially be a very interesting indication for future development, depending upon the results from the current open label proof of concept phase 2 trial underway. So to briefly summarize the highlights from today's update, we continue to make strong progress in advancing our portfolio of neurology focused candidates. Patient enrollment is ongoing across sites in the U. S, Canada and Europe for our XEN1101 Phase 2b clinical trial in adult focal epilepsy with top line results expected in the second half of twenty twenty. We have completed development of pediatric specific formulations for both our XEN496 and XEN901 programs. And we're currently conducting pharmacokinetic studies in healthy adult volunteers to support the anticipated pediatric clinical trials in both KCNQ2 and SCN8A related developmental and epileptic encephalopathies with IND or IND equivalent filings expected in 2020. CN007 with top line data expected in 2020. We have numerous activities and scientific posters planned at the upcoming AES meeting in Baltimore, and we look forward to presenting these in the near term. We go into 2020 in an excellent position. We look forward to the continued advancement of our programs into mid and late stage development. Now I'll turn the call over to Ian who will briefly recap our financial position and provide some summary commentary before opening up the call to your questions. Ian? Thanks, Simon, and good afternoon. The specific details within our financial statements are covered in today's press release and our 10 Q filing. So I'll provide an overview and conclude with a summary of upcoming milestones. Before I get into the financial update, I'd like to partnering activity this past quarter when we completed a transaction with Flexion Therapeutics, giving them the global rights to develop and commercialize XEN40 2 in that 1.7 inhibitor. Flexion's new preclinical program known as FX301 will consist of XEN40 2, formulated for extended release from a thermosensitive hydrogel. The initial development of FX301 is intended to support administration as a peripheral nerve block for control of postoperative pain. Inflection has indicated that it anticipates initiating FX301 clinical trials in 2021. We believe that FX-three zero one's extended release formulation from this thermosensitive hydrogel could be well suited for control of postoperative pain based on the in vivo data generated with XEN402 to date. And we look forward to its progression through clinical development. In addition to the $3,000,000 upfront payment, we're also eligible for up to $9,000,000 We may be entitled to future clinical development and global regulatory approval milestone payments of up to $40,750,000 commercialization milestone payments of up to $75,000,000, as well as future sales royalties ranging from mid single to low double digit percentages. So now moving on to our financials. Cash and cash equivalents and marketable securities as of September 30, 2019 were $94,600,000 and this compares to $119,300,000 as of December 31, 2018. As of September 30, 2019, there were approximately 25,800,000 common shares outstanding and approximately 1,000,000 Series 1 preferred shares outstanding. And these are convertible into common shares on a 1 for 1 basis at the option of the holder subject to certain limitations. For the quarter ended September 30, 2019, we reported total revenue of $3,500,000 in connection with the transaction with Flexion. Based on our current assumptions, and this includes fully supporting the planned clinical development of XEN496, XEN1101, XEN901 NXEN007, we anticipate having sufficient cash to fund operations into 2021 as previously guided. And this excludes any revenue generating from existing partnerships or potential new partnering arrangements. We will continue to strategically and prudently manage the business as we strive to reach a number of important anticipated milestone events, including completing the adult PK studies for the novel pediatric formulations of both XEN496 and XEN901 in order to obtain important de risking data as we move these programs into later stage clinical development in genetically defined pediatric epilepsies. Submitting IND or IND equivalent submissions for both XEN496 and XEN901 to initiate pediatric clinical trials in KCNQ2 and SCN8A epilepsies respectively Continuing our ongoing XEN1101 Phase 2b clinical trial in adult focal epilepsy with top line data expected in the second of 2020 and supporting the investigator led Phase 2 open label clinical trial of XEN007 as a treatment for CAE with data expected in 2020. So in conclusion, we anticipate having multiple mid to late stage epilepsy clinical trials underway in 2020, putting us in a position to generate important clinical data across our portfolio. And for those of you on the call that are attending AES in early December, we look forward to connecting with you there. Operator, we can now open the call up for questions. Thank And our first question comes from Paul Matteis with Stifel. Hi. This is Alex on for Paul. Thanks for taking the question. Just a couple from us today. I was just curious if you could provide a little bit more detail 901 development plans beyond SCN8A in the ways that you would think about studying other indications some sort of multiple trials or basket trial like that. And then additionally for 496, I'm curious if you could provide any more information on the Phase 3 design that you're thinking with your recent input from FDA? Thanks. Okay. Sure. It's Simon. Thanks, Alex. In terms of 901, the initial development plan for the pediatric indication won't be a basket study. The plan is to conduct this in a SCN ASA DEE cohort. These would be all mutation defined patients with gain of function variance in that channel. So the initial study from our standpoint, we'd like to have a focused study as focused as possible in the disease where the channel particularly is causal, based on the mechanism of 901 being a very potent inhibitor of that channel, we felt that was the right approach. Now would we be interested in expanding and extending beyond that in time? Absolutely, but that's not the plan for the initial study. And so ideally, we would seek approval initially for an 8A indication with label expansion thereafter. As was mentioned in the updates, of course, we are also managing plans internally, although we have not pulled a trigger on this yet, around focal adult epilepsy for 901, but that's clearly an indication of great interest given that sodium channel inhibitors are the mainstay of treatment infocal epilepsy given the refractory population remains large. This is clearly an indication of great interest to us The focus initially will be pediatric and we will update. When we do decide to move into adults, we'll update guidance accordingly. In terms of the 496 phase 3 design, we have not made public disclosures around this yet. And really, that's purely because we're busy finalizing what that design looks like. Interesting, and educational 6 months as we've engaged, really the world leading group in the space, including experts from North America, Europe and outside on our steering committee. I think we're very close. I think what you can expect is a controlled study. So not an open label trial. I think you can expect a study that probably will have a few dozen subjects been asked this many times before on calls, certainly not less than 20, but probably not more than 40 plus. So in that range, it will probably be a global study with an IND, but also looking to have sites outside of the U. S. As well. And, but in terms of details, primary endpoint, most likely, will be a median seizure rather than video, but that's something to discuss with the FDA. But in terms of the specific details, the statistics, the duration of treatment, the dose escalation, I think we'll be well positioned to really disclose this once final over the coming months. This isn't a gating issue right now. The gating issue is completion of the phase 1 PK study of the pediatric formulation in the adult volunteers. As noted in the updates, that will be completed this year. So really over the coming sort of 6 to 8 weeks, the study will be finalized and we look forward to submitting the IND in the first quarter of next year for the pivotal start. So stay tuned a little bit early to provide guidance on exactly what the study looks like. I've I've just given you a flavor of what some of the key elements of that study will be. I really appreciate the additional color. Thanks a lot. Thank you. And our next question comes from yatin Suneja with Guggenheim Securities. Hi, yes. It's Eddie on for Yatin. Thanks for all the updates today. A couple of questions. First for 496, it looks like you're waiting on the adult PK data, moving into a pivotal study. Can you give us a sense of what you're looking for in this study and before you move it into the pediatric patients? And then in terms of the pivotal I know you're not giving any details on the design, but can you give us a sense of what kind of benchmarks we should be looking for? Should we look to those 2 case studies with ezogabine for sort of clues and just sort of what types of numbers you're looking for in terms of seizure reduction? Two good questions. Thanks, Eddie. 496 in terms of the adult PK. Essentially, I think we're looking to understand what the PK is like with this new granular formulation. The data generated to date, both in vitro and animal in vivo PK strongly suggests this new formulation behaves like the prior tablet formulation that was the approved drug, but more importantly for us, was the drug that was dictation is we'll see a granule perform, the granule perform in the adult similar to how the old petiga tablets were performed isn't a head to head study, we'd be comparing with historical literature reports. But that PK Obviously, if it's identical or very similar to, it allows us to essentially replicate dosages that were used previously, with the adult formulation when used off label in these children, and that's published work where doses were used up to about 20, 21 milligrams per kilogram. Of course, if the PK is different, It's not a negative. It just allows us or ensures that we have to do dose adjustments on a milligram per kilogram basis to achieve the exposures that we're targeting. So look, an ideal result is it behaves exactly like, or very, very close to the petiga tablets did in adults. But equally a result that just shows good exposure will be helpful in allowing us to finalize the dosage. And again, one of the reasons we're hesitant to disclose the final study design including dosages is because the outcome of the study could influence how long we titrate, what we're trying to dose to the duration of treatment, the ultimate milligram per kilogram dose, etcetera. So we'll have that data in hand at least by theendofthisyear. In terms of the next question, Eddie, which was benchmarks from what was published and clues regarding numbers. I'm making an assumption when you're saying numbers, you're looking at response size or effect size, not numbers of patients. I think it's very difficult to use that data given it's uncontrolled, given its open label, it's non randomized there are different dosages used, different kids ages. So I think we're, I think what we will look to do in our statistical model, will with the support of KOLs, our steering committee, who of course will come with us or at least write letters in support of the study to the agency we will make certain effect size assumptions that would be deemed as a clinically meaningful effect. And we would power the study according to those assumptions. So the next question that's probably on your mind is, well, what do we think those effect size assumptions would look like? And maybe for now until we sort of present a final study design, it's fair for me to say, look, in adults with focal epilepsy, one typically sees in an active arm and effect size of between 30% to 40%. In the pediatric studies that have been published. If you look at Epidiolex in Dravet, for example, probably 50 plus percent Fenfluramine was higher in Dravet, probably around 60% in their larger phase 3 trial. So we're probably somewhere in that range. We probably in it will have to be at minimum sort of clinically meaningful in the sort of probably 30% to 50% or 30% to 60% effect size range. But this is a discussion that KOLs will help us make with the regulators as to what they deem clinically meaningful effect size. And it's probably more than what one might typically see in focal epilepsy, but I don't think you have to replicate a 60 plus percent Dravet finding, and or match that to deem a finding effective. So it's probably in that 35% to 50% range or thereabouts. And that's that'll be what we'll model the study on. So we'll be able to present more rigor around this when we, when we guide on the study design in the coming months. Really helpful. And then really quickly, if I may, for 1101, would you plan on tightening your guidance at all on the readout for that as you get a better sense how the enrollment speed is going? Absolutely. We do plan on tightening the guidance probably in 2020, not this year. We recognize it's important to do that. We recognize right now guidance is a bit wide as H2. As you know, enrollment is sort of rollercoast in any study. So you need to have a certain duration trajectory, I think, to be able to really have a good feel for tightening that guidance. We don't want to tighten guidance more than once if we can help it. So I think probably sometime early in 2020, we'll be in a better position to be able to shrink that guidance and provide maybe a more accurate quarter. Great. Thank you guys so much. Appreciate it. Thanks. And our next question comes from Maury Raycroft with Jefferies. You may proceed. Hi. This is swapnil on for Maury. Thanks for the updates today. And thank you for taking my questions. So I had a few questions. First is We noticed that the initial IND guidance for $4.96 was 4Q and now it is 1Q 'twenty. So is there any additional work that needs to be done before the IND filing that is causing this delay? No. And we highlighted in the updates, really, we wanted to wait for the PK study to be complete. The initial thought was maybe not necessarily having to weight. The other issue was stability. Given the jurisdiction of preference for IND submission in the U. S, one needs a minimum of 1 month stability. Those are really the 2 gating items to the IND submission. As I mentioned earlier, it's not the protocol. We expect to have at least the phase 1 completed this year. We expect to have stability early in the new year, early in 2020, and we would expect to submit the IND thereafter. Okay. Thanks. And then we see like a very strong presence at AES as well. So do you think you might have any PK data or PK data from 901 or 496? And if you could like provide a little bit of more guidance on what to focus at AES based on the new pipeline assets? Yes, good question. I am so the answer is no. We're not going to have final study reports, and I don't think with final QA tables and datasets by early December. So I think we need to just be cautious about presenting data once it's really complete and final. So the answer is no, we won't be presenting intermediate data sets on the PK studies for either 901 or 496. The focus of much of the AS presentations will be around, what we've learned from our surveys on these programs. Particularly in the developmental epilepsies of relevance to our study designs. Secondly, We will present data, excuse me, our next generation compounds outside of 901, which could be really interesting sort of 2nd generation leads. We expect to move into development in the near term. We also are going to be sharing some really interesting physiological studies or electrophysiological studies looking at the effect of these compounds, selective compounds versus non selective compounds, in sliced experiments, in neurons, showing differences in how the drugs work compared to non selective blocking drugs in inhibitory into neurons, in paramidol excitatory neurons, show a very, very clear novel mechanism of action to our drugs. So those are sort of those are the flavor of some of the the posters. I'm just going to look at Jody and Ian to see if I've missed anything major. Yes. That's it. Okay. That's helpful. And one final question double 7. So have you actually like started dosing any patients in this trial? And although you said like the patients that you are going enroll are going to be failures of standard of care, but we're just making sure that these kids would not be on any background therapy during the trial. Right. So this is, so the answer is, yes, we have started enrolling and yes, we have started dosing. Again, it's an open label study. So this is not a placebo controlled trial. We felt appropriate because these kids would be included with a certain burden of seizures having been refractory to, to existing standard of care. Existing standard of care consists primarily of 2 agents, valproate and ethosuximide. As I mentioned in my updates, about 45 percent of kids are over time recognized as treatment failures either because they don't achieve sufficient control or because in many cases, it's a tolerability issue. So the way these are kids that have quite significant seizure burden despite having tried 2 or more of either sasamide valproic acid or lamotrigine. These are kids, despite that, would have at least 10 seizures a week, absent seizures. These are kids that would have EEG confirmation of the 3 Hertz spike wave activity as well. They must be on at least 1 anti seizure meds and within 1 month baseline, with a stable seizure count. So we can't have they can be on adjuvant treatment. These kids are not typically enrolled refractory on nothing. They're on a drug, but it has to be stable drug for a month prior to enrollment. And again, we've got a good power around 80% power. If we see a 50% seizure reduction, we've got, in fact, about an 80 plus percent power with an alpha level of P less than 0.005. If we see a 50% reduction in their absence seizure counts, There is a 1 month baseline. There is a 2 month treatment period and then a 1 month follow-up. And the primary endpoint is really the absence seizure frequency between your visits It's visits 34, which is really the 2 month 1 month to 2 month period compared to the 1 month baseline. So the last month of the study versus the month of baseline with the primary endpoint being the seizure frequency difference. We are looking at other end events like EEGs, for example, during visits, tolerability, etcetera. So we're hoping to have open label data in 2020. And depending on enrollment, this could actually go quite quickly with data earlier 2020 rather than the latter part. So, fingers crossed. These are four to nineteen year old children and adolescents. And as I mentioned, we expect to enroll about 20 subjects in the study. So it's about a 4 month period of the study per child. It's a month based line 2 months treatment and a 1 month follow-up, which is then the 5th visit end of study at the end of the 1 month. So I hope that that summarizes. And in terms of dosing, the land up initially getting a 10 milligram dose dosed at nighttime. And depending on response, if they haven't responded to the 10 milligrams at their 1 month visit on maintenance, they are escalated to a 15 milligram dose, which is then continued for the 2nd month. So that's that's, I think, in summary, what the study looks like. And, so they will be, most likely, will be on other meds if they are, they have to be stable for a month during baseline, or there might be infrequent cases where they aren't on adjuvant medicines, but they are having seizures, but they need to have failed to respond fully or to tolerate to 2 of the gold standard drugs, as, as, as, which I mentioned, the ethosexamide, valproic acid and the Motragene. Okay, very helpful. Thank you very much for And our next question comes from Antonio Rubina with Bloom Burton. Please proceed. Hi, thank you for taking my questions. Just related to XEN007, you mentioned that in addition to modulating calcium channels, it also has an effect on dopamine, histamine, and serotonin. So just wondering whether the efficacy you're seeing in animal models of CAE, whether you believe that's mediated solely by the calcium channel effects, or whether the other pathways, you believe that will hold as well? It's a good question. I don't think we know today the full extent of the polypharmacology of the drug for each of these indications. I just very hard to tease that out. So I don't think we can completely rule out efficacy through other mechanisms. Irrespective of that, the drug seems to work in the model. It seems to work better as monotherapy than anthosaxamide of Alpro8 both of which do work in the model. And then when added as adjunctive therapy in that same model, there is, there is enhanced benefits over just one of those drugs alone. So I don't really have an answer for your question. I'm not sure at the end of the day, it matters all that much in the sense that we'll either see the stroke is working or not in this proof of concept study, in which case we'll take some decisions on whether this looks like the ideal development strategy. The fact we're advancing it in CAE now certainly doesn't preclude the molecule advance and other indications as we've talked about before. We just felt this was, firstly, well, well within our strategy as an epilepsy focused pipeline. Secondly, a much larger patient population than either alternating hemiplegia or hemiplegic migraine at least larger accessible patient population with a reasonably sized refractory population within that. So as we think about orphan drug designation, as we think about orphan drug exclusivity be our primary means of commercial exclusivity. We like the concept of an orphan indication that has a fairly large number of addressable patients, rather than a much more challenging ultra ultra orphan population when pricing is choose become obviously probably more challenging as one thinks about the long term commercialization strategy. So We like CAE. We think it meets a lot of the objectives, for us. We think provides probably a simpler development strategy, long term and pricing strategy. But the ultra orphan indications we've talked about before are certainly still on the table and under review. Okay. And I know it's still early days, but assuming that your investigator study is positive, what could a possible clinical like in this indication? Yes. Look, I mean, I think we haven't really gone that next step. That's obviously work we'll be mapping out over the coming months in the participation of data. But our idea would be to look at childhood absence epilepsy as a development strategy for the product. There have been a number of studies, although randomized controlled studies fairly small, but about 445,000,000 dollars, 446 CAE subjects have been dosed with, current standards of care, either sroximatevulpride or lamotrigine. And that's sort of the data I cite in terms of failure rates has come out of that. So I think we could have, again, a study a larger study, that Phase II that looks at and well controlled, that looks at, adjuvant treatment versus current standard of care in refractory patients. Now whether this is some kind of crossover or whether it's a parallel and the size of patient sample size we need. I can't give you those facts today. But I think we can see a parallel blinded study versus the standard of care refractory patients on stable meds having X number of seizures per week or per month Very similarly in a way to our focal epilepsy study might be structured. But of course, this is a very different indication. Just to remind you, we do have the rights to this drug for exclusively for development in the U. S, all nonclinical and clinical rights. And now, as I said today earlier, we're in for the first time, the initiation of the 1st phase 2 study with this drug. This is a drug that is, has some tremendous history history. It's very well known outside of the U. S. The drug works extremely well in a number of indications. It's on label chronic migraine prevention. It's on label for vertigo. It's used off label extensively in a number of neurological disorders. And what's really interesting in sighting to us is that there is not a single centrally acting CNS acting calcium channel modulator on the market in the United States. So we think this could be a really attractive strategy tolerability of this drug has been good. We can go through that with you offline at any time, but it's one of the real attractive features of flunarizine has been the safety tolerability, particularly in the pediatric an adolescent population and lots and lots of K Series and study data available for this drug. We have rights to a lot of the the data from the originator of the drug as well as the nonclinical data. So that's the thinking. And I'm sure it will unfold over the course of the coming months as we get closer to top line. Great, thanks. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our Q And A portion of call. I would now like to turn the call to Jodi Rates for closing remarks. Thanks everyone for joining us today. Operator, we will now end the call. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.