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Earnings Call: H1 2023

Jul 31, 2023

Operator

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Heineken Half Year 2023 Results Call. My name is Daisy, and I'll be coordinating your call today. If you would like to register a question, please press Star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad. Please kindly only ask 1 question and 1 follow-up to allow others the chance. I would now like to hand the call over to your host, Federico Castillo Martinez, Director of Investor Relations, to begin. Federico, please go ahead.

Federico Castillo Martinez
Director of Investor Relations, Heineken

Thank you, Daisy. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us for today's live webcast of our 2023 half year results. Your hosts will be Dolf van den Brink, our CEO, and Harold van den Broek, our CFO. Following the presentation, we will be happy to take your questions. The presentation includes forward-looking statements and expectations based on management's current views and involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, and it is possible that the actual results may differ materially. For more information, please refer to the disclaimer on the first page of this presentation. I will now turn the call over to Dolf.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Thank you, Federico. Welcome, everyone. I would like to start with a quick reminder of our Green Diamond. This is how we measure the success of our EverGreen strategy. It embodies the balance we aim to attain. We continue to focus on our EverGreen priorities and to invest for long-term sustainable value creation, balancing growth, profitability, capital efficiency, and sustainability responsibility. In the first 6 months of 2023, we prioritized and delivered the front-loaded pricing required to offset unprecedented input and energy cost inflation across all markets.

In Europe, the region with the highest inflationary impact, volume declined in line with our expectations. Demand in APAC was considerably softer than foreseen due to an economic slowdown and our own performance in Vietnam. Our overall financial performance in the first half of the year was below expectations, driven by the challenging results in our most profitable APAC region.

At the same time, we increased investments behind our brands and capabilities with marketing and sales investments up by $0.2 billion globally to drive future growth. We expect a strong turnaround in operating profit growth in the second half as pricing moderates, volume trends gradually improve, and we accelerate our delivery of cost savings. For the full year, we have updated our outlook, and we now expect stable to a mid-single-digit operating profit organic growth. Let's take a closer look at the key financial highlights. Net revenue grew 6.6% organically versus last year, benefiting from inflation-led pricing, more than offsetting the volume decline. Revenue per hectoliter grew organically by 12.7%, driven by pricing for inflation and positive mix from premiumization. Total beer volume declined by 5.6% organically, and shortly, I will provide more detail across the regions.

The Heineken brands grew 3.7%, excluding Russia, significantly outperforming the beer portfolio. Operating profit declined by 8.8%, and the margin was 13.4%, down 260 basis points versus last year. Net profit declined slightly ahead of operating profit organically, and the diluted earnings per share ended at EUR 2.03. Higher financing costs were offset by lower taxes and minority interest and higher share of profits from associates with a strong performance of CRB. Harold will speak later in great detail about some of these financial highlights. I will now turn to the regions, starting with Europe.

Net revenue grew strongly by 8.9%, with price mix up 13.5%, primarily driven by pricing ahead of the industry to cover the disproportionate impacts of inflation on our cost base on the back of improving brand power. Beer volume declined organically by 4.8% versus last year, broadly in line with our expectations. The on-trade was up, benefiting from reopening tailwinds in the Q1 , and the off-trade declines, losing share in some markets because of earlier pricing ahead of the industry. The premium portfolio outperformed, led by our next generation brands, including Gallia, Birra Moretti, and El Águila, which grew by a low single digits. Overall, we gained or held market share in over a third of our markets, with improving trends in the Q2 .

Operating profit declined marginally, remarkable in the context of the inflationary pressures in the first half and the large increase of our investment in our brands. In addition to the strong pricing, we delivered significant cost savings from our supply chain transformation program. Moving on to the Americas. Net revenue grew organically by 8.6%, mainly driven by Mexico and Brazil. Organic beer volume declined by 1.5%, the price mix grew by 11.3%, driven by pricing and the continued premiumization of our portfolio, particularly in Mexico, Brazil and Ecuador. Operating profit declined by 1.8% as revenue growth was offset by inflationary pressures on our product cost and a significant step up in marketing investment in Brazil, Mexico, and the US.

In Mexico, net revenue increased organically in the low teens, driven by pricing, partially offset by a low single-digit volume decline due to the mixing of OXXO, now complete and in its last year of impact. The premium portfolio outperformed, up in volume in the high teens, led by Heineken Silver. Our 6th route to consumer continued expanding to reach more than 16,500 stores in the first half. In Brazil, net revenue grew in the low teens. Beer state volume was stable, outperforming the industry while pricing ahead of the industry. Heineken continues as the number 1 beer brand by value in the off-trade, and is now also the second largest beer brand in the total market by value. Amstel, the number 1 brand in the pure malt mainstream segment, continued its strong momentum and grew in the low 30s.

Heineken USA shipments were down high single digits, while depletions were down by low single digits, outperforming the market in the Q2 . Heineken grew in depletions, driven by the launch of Heineken Silver, with encouraging early results in distribution build-up and rate of sale. Heineken 0.0 continues to be the number 1 non-alcoholic beer brand by value in the US and was up mid-teens. Moving on to AME. Net revenue grew organically by close to 10%, as a decline in the beer volume of 6.5% organically was more than offset by strong price mix growth of 16.7%, driven largely by pricing with inflation and further boosted by premiumization. The premium beer portfolio declines in the low teens, driven by the decline in Russia. Excluding Russia, the rest of the region registered low single-digit growth in premium.

Operating profit declined by 5.1%, as strong pricing and productivity gains mostly offset the impact from lower volume inflation and transactional currency effects. In Nigeria, net revenue grew low single digits, driven by pricing to partially mitigate inflation. Total volume declined in the low twenties with consumers' purchasing power and the heavy pressure from inflation, cash shortages, and the effect of structural economic reforms. Although these reforms have short-term impact on business and consumers, we believe they're beneficial to the long-term growth prospects of the country. Despite these challenges, premium beer volume was broadly stable.

Important to note, that if we were to exclude the impact of Nigeria in the first half, beer volume would have been up low single digits organically in the region, with broadly the same operating profit performance, given the impressive actions of our Nigerian organization to rightsize the business to the new reality. We also received positive news that the government has reversed its decision to significantly increase excise duties this year. In Ethiopia, volume was up in the low 20s, extending our market leadership with Harar, Bedele, and Walia all outperforming. The premium portfolio volume was up close to 40%, led by Heineken and Bedele Special. In South Africa, volume was impacted by a brewery disruption in the Q1 and the impact of power outages on consumer demand.

Pricing was ahead of the industry, particularly on Amstel, with impact on our market share that is now being addressed. Heineken continued to drive premiumization and grew volume by a mid-single digits. Finally, we are making good early progress on the integration of Distell and Namibia Breweries. Moving on to APAC. We had a very challenging first half in the region. Beer volume decreased organically by 13.2%. Net revenue declined by close to 7%, with price mix up around 5%. Operating profit declined by 34.4% organically, essentially driven by Vietnam. Deep diving in Vietnam, volume declined by close to 25% for three key reasons. First, the economic slowdown impacted our strongholds and the premium segment disproportionately. We estimate that the total market was down by high single digits in the Q2 .

Secondly, more than half of the volume decline was a result of the destocking of the TET overhang. Our distributor stock levels have largely normalized, and our volume exit rates of June was close to the overall market decline in the quarter. Thirdly, downtrading, exacerbated by our pricing ahead of the market, particularly for Tiger, which we are currently addressing to restore consumer affordability. Overall, on a sell-out basis, our performance is broadly in line with the market, with stable share and premium, while we gain in mainstream. Mainstream brands like Bia Viet and Bivina grew double digits, supported by the expansion into regions outside our strongholds. In India, we have seen the impact of deliberate route-to-market changes in certain states as we are bringing UBL fully within our control. Excluding those states, beer volume grew by a mid-single digits.

Whilst overall disappointing performance in APAC, very positively, we continue to make strong progress in China. Heineken volume grew close to 60%, driven by the strong momentum of both Heineken Original and Heineken Silver. Let's now look at progress on our EverGreen priorities, starting with premiumization. Overall, premium beer volume declined by 6.5%, driven by Vietnam and Russia. Beyond these markets, premiumization trends remain strong as premium volume grew low single digits ahead of the total in aggregate in the majority of our markets. In this slide, we are showing this view for the regions, and you can see a similar relative outperformance of the premium portfolio when compared to mainstream and economy consolidated beer volume. In Europe, premium beer improved 80 basis points in the mix, and our next generation brands, including Gallia, Birra Moretti, and El Águila, grew volume low single digits.

As previously mentioned, in the Americas, we have impressive momentum on Heineken in Brazil, as we continue the portfolio transformation. More than 75% of our volume is now in the premium and mainstream segments. In AME, despite the challenges in Nigeria, we see the biggest contrast, with premium gaining 400 basis points in the mix. Remarkably, in Nigeria, Desperados doubled its volume versus last year. In APAC, excluding Vietnam, other markets grew premium beer high single digits. If we include Vietnam, this figure would be a low twenties decline. However, maybe somewhat surprisingly, in Vietnam, our low bitterness premium beers, Heineken Silver and Tiger Crystal, continue their strong momentum, with volume up in the mid-teens and high teens, respectively.

Moving on to brand Heineken, which continued to lead our portfolio and grew volume by 3.7%, excluding Russia, 1.7%, including Russia in the first half. Growth was broad-based across 50 markets, most notably in China, Brazil, Mexico and Ethiopia. Heineken 0.0 also grew 5.2%, excluding Russia, further strengthening its leadership position in the non-alcoholic segment. Heineken Silver is now present in 45 markets and grew volume by more than 45%, led by China, Vietnam and Mexico. Indeed, in China, the momentum is impressive, with 60% volume growth, improving brand power. China is now the second largest market globally for brand Heineken. We're proud that Heineken, Heineken Silver and Heineken 0.0 are all contributing to the growth of the brand as we celebrate on the 50th anniversary of the brand.

Once again, our creativity and execution was recognized at Cannes, where Heineken was awarded 12 bronze, 7 silver, and 1 gold lion for the closure campaign. Heineken was the third most awarded brand over all categories. Happy birthday indeed. We're also investing behind our ambition to become the best connected brewer. We continue to expand our eB2B platforms, and by the end of the first half, we captured EUR 5.2 billion in Gross Merchandise Value, an increase of 36% versus last year. This means we have surpassed over EUR 10 billion over the last 12 months, and are well on track to reach our ambition of over EUR 15 billion of Gross Merchandise Value by 2025. We now connect more than 550,000 active customers in fragmented traditional channels, an increase of 31% versus the same period last year.

As an example, in Brazil, we continue to build scale and now connect over 150,000 active customers, 46% more than at this time last year. This translates into 20,000 customers placing orders per day. We're accelerating our deployments in Brazil beyond our direct customers and into our indirect distribution network of resellers. We continue to migrate our eB2B platforms under a single brand name and identity, eazle, business made easy. Nine of our operations in Europe have already migrated, enabling better features at scale, improved customer experience and increased efficiency. Finally, let's move to our Brew a Better World strategy to drive progress towards a net zero, fairer, and more balanced world. We're making good progress across all three pillars and are building executional momentum to deliver our ambitious, ambitions.

Please note, the results on these graphs for the half year are illustrative to show our progress as we report progress annually. Environmental. We continue to reduce our absolute carbon emissions in Scope 1 and 2 on the way to our ambition to reach net zero carbon emissions in production sites by 2030, with strategic investments in projects, including the following: Together with Signify, Nobian and Philips, we opened an onshore wind farm in Finland in June. The virtual power purchase agreement will generate renewable electricity to power 27 of our European production sites for the next 10 years. We're committed to launch Project Circle, which uses technology that extracts high-quality proteins from spent grain and uses the remaining fibers as biofuel in our breweries.

We also announced an investment of GBP 25 million into our Manchester brewery to install heat pumps that will reduce our need to source gas for heating. We continue to focus on healthy watersheds via water efficiency, water circularity, and water balancing. We have implemented more than 150 initiatives to reduce water consumption in 2023 across sites, with a further 800+ under execution. Social. We're making good progress when it comes to gender diversity. Our goals are for Heineken to become a more gender-balanced company, with 30% of our female, males in senior management positions by 2025 and 40% by 2030. At half year, we continue our good progress towards our 2025 goal, with 28% females in senior management. On responsibility.

I'm personally delighted with our new partnership between Heineken and double Formula 1 World Champion, Max Verstappen, in the new global When You Drive, Never Drink campaign, to encourage consumers to make the right choice when it comes to selecting a designated driver on a night out. With that, I would like to hand over to Harold.

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Thank you, Dolf, good day to you all. I will take you through the main drivers of our half one financial results and our outlook statements with some color on how we see the second half of 2023. Starting with our top-line performance on slide 15. We posted an organic growth of EUR 0.9 billion or 6.6%, reaching EUR 14.5 billion net revenue beia. As Dolf mentioned, we prioritized and delivered the pricing required to offset inflationary pressures on our cost. This resulted in net revenue per hectare liter increasing by 12.7%. The underlying price mix on a constant geographic basis was 11.8%, driven by pricing of 10.8%, broadly in line with the weighted average inflation of our markets. The mix component was positive 1% from premiumization, held back by Asia-Pacific.

The consolidated volume on an organic basis was down 5.4%. The decline was more pronounced in the Q2 , 7.3%. This was due to a combination of the cumulative effect of front-loaded pricing actions taken and a challenging economic backdrop in some markets affecting consumer demand. Over half of the organic volume decline in the first six months can be attributed to our underperformance in Vietnam and socioeconomic volatility in Nigeria, affecting consumer purchasing power. Volume in the Americas region was slightly negative in a softer beer market, notably in the Q2 , combined with the continuing impact from OXXO mixing in Mexico, now in its last phase. Volume in Europe performed broadly in line with our expectations.

The translation of foreign currencies had a negative impact of EUR 91 million, or 0.7% for the first six months, driven by the Nigerian Naira, Egyptian Pound, and other currencies, partially offset by a stronger Mexican Peso. I do want to emphasize that using current spot rates applied to the results of last year, the negative effect of translation will significantly increase to about EUR 800 million for the full year, mainly due to the devaluation of African currencies. Consolidation changes represented EUR 231 million, or 1.7%, mainly Distell and Namibia Breweries in Africa and Beavertown in the UK. Moving on to Slide 16. Operating profit came in at EUR 1.9 billion for the first half year, and start with organic growth.

The EUR 0.9 million of organic revenue growth on the previous page was more than offset by incremental costs and investments, resulting in a decline of EUR 189 million operating profit organic growth for the half year. Let me first touch upon the cost elements. Importantly, we continue to invest behind our brands and funding our EverGreen strategic priorities, also when we face short-term headwinds. To illustrate, the operating profit organic decline is broadly equivalent to the incremental investment in marketing and sales to support future growth. This amounted to an additional EUR 178 million beia, or 14% increase organically, a significant step up behind our brands, particularly in America and Europe. Marketing and sales investment as a percentage of revenue reached 10%, despite lower volumes, an increase of 60 basis points versus the same period last year.

Input, transport, and energy costs in aggregate grew organically in the mid-teens on a per hectolitre basis, driven by higher commodities and energy prices reflected in our hedge positions. This mid-teen inflation is somewhat lower than what we anticipated at the start of the year, helped by a higher mix of returnable packaging and better structural growth savings. This allowed us to progressively and selectively adjust our pricing plans, still with the aim to cover the inflation on a euro for euro basis, whilst remaining competitive. Now, turning to regions. Asia-Pacific, our most profitable region, was the main driver of our operating profit organic growth decline, down by EUR 219 million, or 34%, and mainly driven by the volume decline in Vietnam.

The Africa, Middle East, and Eastern Europe region saw a modest operating profit organic decline of 5.1%, as strong cost and productivity initiatives were taken to streamline our business in Nigeria, to adjust to the lower consumer demand, and to counter inflation and currency devaluation effects. In the Americas, higher investment in marketing and sales in Mexico, Brazil, and in the USA was the primary reason for the small profit decline. In Europe, operating profit was broadly in line with last year, with a step up in investments behind our brands and despite very high input and energy costs related to inflation, well above the company average. This strong result was delivered by price-led revenue growth and significant cost savings from our end-to-end supply chain transformation and productivity programs.

Our operating profit margin beia for the first six months was 13.4%, 260 basis points down compared to the comparative period last year, driven by the organic performance and the dilutive effect from the consolidation impacts. Transactional currency effects, currency translation, and consolidation impacts all had a small impact for the results for the first half. Now, let me cover some other key financial data on a beia basis on slide number 17. First, our share of profits from associates and joint ventures grew 14.6%, primarily from profit growth of CRB in China. Net interest expenses, beia, increased organically by 33% to EUR 255 million, reflecting a higher average net debt position and an increase in average effective interest rates to 3.2%.

Other net finance expenses, beia, amounted to EUR 100 million, driven by derivatives related to revaluation of long-term green energy contracts, as prices retracted from their peak last year and from revaluation of foreign currency payables. Net profit, beia, declined by 11.6% organically to EUR 1.15 billion. The effective tax rate, beia, was 28%. It's about 80 basis points lower than last year. The decrease was mainly driven by a lower amount of losses, for which no deferred tax assets were recognized. All in all, this resulted in an EPS decline to EUR 2.03. In line with our dividend policy, interim dividend is set at 40% of the total dividend of the previous year. Therefore, an interim dividend of EUR 0.69 per share will be paid, up 38% versus last year.

Finally, our net debt to EBITDA ratio increased temporarily to 2.7x . In the second half of the year, this will revert to below the company's long-term target of below 2.5x . Let me now turn to free operating cash flow. We recorded a cash outflow for the first 6 months of the year of EUR 467 million, a EUR 1.5 billion change from last year. Let me upfront state that I expect a much improved cash delivery in the second half of the year, as there are significant phasing elements in these numbers, and this includes the change from accelerated growth and material scarcity seen last year to slow down and excess inventory in the first half of 2023, also affecting our payables position.

Cash flow from operations before working capital changes was lower by EUR 155 million, driven by the lower operating profit and including a reduction in restructuring provisions of EUR 30 million. The working capital movement was EUR 794 million lower than last year. Aside from the phasing already mentioned, very noticeable in APAC, there was also some impact in Europe as we prepared for the now announced brewery closures. Overall, CapEx in the first 6 months was close to EUR 1.5 billion, an increase of close to EUR 500 million versus last year. This mainly reflects payables made related to investments from last year. Investments made in the first half of 2023 amounted to EUR 0.9 billion, we expect to remain in line with our guidance of below 9% CapEx as a percentage of revenue beia.

Cash for interest, dividends and tax increased in aggregate by EUR 188 million, mainly from higher income taxes paid. Let me now turn to the outlook for the rest of the year in the next slide. Our EverGreen strategy is a multi-year and multifaceted journey to future-proof the company and deliver superior balanced growth for long-term value creation. We have executed our plans in line with our EverGreen priorities, continued investments, and are making clear progress in building a premium portfolio, driving consumer-centric innovation, digitization, sustainability, and improving productivity. In the second half of 2023, we expect significant improved operating profit, beia growth, inclusive of a lower pressure from inflation, and I will elaborate this on this in a moment. Pricing starting to moderate, with volume trends gradually improving to a low single-digit decline.

An improved outlook in Vietnam and Nigeria relative to the significant disruption in the first half. A similar absolute level of marketing and sales expenses when compared to the first half, productivity savings in excess of EUR 300 million, cumulatively bringing us well ahead of the EUR 2 billion growth savings target. Overall, our updated expectations for the full year of 2023 is stable to a mid-single-digit operating profit by our organic growth. We also anticipate an average interest rate for the year of around 3.2%. Assumptions on CapEx and effective tax rates are unchanged. Let me now touch on a few elements that shape the second half financial outlook. First, our variable cost between brackets, because it's a term we don't normally use, but in this definition, covers our input, our raw and non-returnable packaging materials, our transport, and our energy and water costs.

We incurred mid-teens inflation in these costs on a per hectoliter basis in the first half. In the second half, we expect some lower levels of inflation, mainly due to a lower transportation and energy cost, and only a small benefit from lower commodity prices, given our hedged positions. In addition, we continue to deliver significant growth savings, including, for instance, reducing imports of glass bottles to Brazil, leveraging supplier partnerships, having brought new dedicated capacity online to support our growth. Our productivity program also remains firmly on track. The graph on the left shows over EUR 200 million growth savings delivered in the first half of 2023, enabling increased investment behind marketing and sales. To illustrate, I referred earlier to the streamlining of our business in Nigeria. They have lowered their break-even volume threshold by 20% versus last year.

Important to mitigate the challenging economic conditions and providing a significant opportunity when growth momentum is restored. All OpCos have clear sight of cost savings and productivity initiatives and are driving towards realization in a monthly drumbeat. Next to that, we see an acceleration in Europe, driven by our supply network transformation, which will by itself deliver over EUR 200 million gross savings this year. It is focused on boosting operational excellence, taking non-value-added complexity out, and transforming our production and logistics footprint in Europe, resulting in the announced closure of 7 breweries to date. This put together makes us confident we will deliver more than EUR 300 million gross savings in the second half. By the end of the year, we will then have achieved our EUR 2 billion gross savings target versus the 2019 cost base, as the right side of this slide illustrates.

More importantly, we have well-defined plans and a way of working that secures the committed EUR 400 million cost savings for the years to come. Therefore, let me summarize our outlook for 2023 and glimpse into 2024. We updated our profit growth expectations to stable to emit single-digit operating profit growth in beia terms. This means an acceleration of our financial performance in the second half. To start, we will continue to invest in our brands and behind this EverGreen strategy. Yet pricing will moderate as we see lower levels of inflation ahead of us and as we front-loaded our pricing actions. We expect volumes to progressively improve towards a single-digit decline and see our productivity savings accelerate. Looking further ahead, the unprecedented commodity and energy cost inflation in recent years will be partially reversed next year, easing the pressure on pricing.

Together with the structural saving changes we are making with EverGreen, we are confident this will set us up for a balanced growth delivery in 2024, while we remain cautious about the macroeconomic and geopolitical environment. Our strong cost and productivity efforts will continue and enable further support behind our growth agenda, fund investments behind EverGreen, and contribute to operating profit growth. Our medium-term guidance of superior balanced growth with operating leverage over time remains unchanged. With that, I would like to hand back to Dolf for a closing comment.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Yeah, thanks, Harold. Actually, I'm sure there's many questions, so to preserve the maximum amount of time, let's go straight to the to the Q&A. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if anyone would like to register a question, please press Star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad. Please kindly only ask 1 question and 1 follow-up to allow others the chance. Our first question today comes from Edward Mundy, from Jefferies. Edward, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Edward Mundy
Managing Director of Beverages Research, Jefferies

Afternoon, Dolf. Afternoon, Harold. Thanks for taking the question. The first is on Vietnam, that you've seen over the last decade, you know, per capita consumption in Vietnam, you know, really, you know, performed very, very well from, I guess, under 30 liters per person, you know, the GFC to sort of mid-60s ahead of COVID. We saw a big drop-off during COVID, but we're only really back to pre-COVID levels today, you know, 66, 67 liters, you know, per Euromonitor. Has anything fundamentally changed with regards to Vietnamese beer market, for instance, around regulation of competition, you know, which would sort of change the medium-term growth picture for you for that market? That's the first question. The second is sort of the H2 turnaround in profits, probably for Harold.

There's still quite a wide range, you know, based on your guidance of, of flat to mid-single digits. I was wondering if you could help us. How do you think about the upper end of that range or the bottom end of that range? What are the key variables in your mind?

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Very good. Hey, thanks, Ed. Let me take the question on Vietnam. Yeah, let's, let's be crystal clear. The performance of Vietnam was disappointing. It had a huge impact, as Harold was saying, both on our volume as well as our profit decline. 80% of that was attributable, attributable to Vietnam. We remain very confident in the fundamentals of Vietnam. If you look to Vietnam over the last 30 years, if you look to current urbanization levels, economic growth, demographics, all of the fundamentals are and remain strong. We do believe the country is going through a short-term cycle of economic, yeah, disruption. We have seen this once before in 2008, going into the financial crisis.

This is, you know, both, the manufacturing industry impacted, exports, jobs being impacted. There's also a political crisis simultaneously. It's kind of a couple of elements coming together, which are impacting the short-term volumes in the industry. Truth be told, on top of that, for us, it was exacerbated by a huge overstocking going into the year. The pivot of very fast growth last year, which was part to rebound of COVID, and on top of that, we were growing a lot of share. Just to remind ourselves, we were growing 43% volume last year, and we were really kind of, yeah, assuming not necessarily that kind of growth, but for sure, we were assuming growth.

Then when the market decelerated, early in the year, we were caught out, and it basically took us to the half-year point to destock and to normalize our stock levels. This has had a huge impact on our relative performance. Over half of the volume decline attributable to that destocking. Then there is a slowdown in the market related to economic circumstances. Again, that we believe to be temporarily, and that will recover, for sure, next year. For this year, we choose to remain cautious. The third element has been downtrading, which was also exacerbated by us taking a price increase late last year, which was not followed by competition, which we have reverted by now.

The second half of the year, we are at the price point where we, where we want to be, and as such, we assume an improvement in the second half versus the first half, but it will not yet be a return to historic levels. If you look to the fundamentals underneath from a brand portfolio point of view, within premium, we are holding share. Yes, Tiger Original is, you know, losing share to mainstream, but Tiger Crystal growing double digits, the Heineken brand doing relatively very well. Heineken Silver still growing in absolute terms. Importantly, five years ago, we started to invest in mainstream. At the time, we were in the mid-single-digit share on the mainstream segment. Now, in June, we hit a high point, a historic high point of almost 20% share in mainstream.

Still below our fair share, but 4x or 5x higher, compared to where we were just 5, 6 years ago. Most of these brands, you know, are in growth. So we believe we have now a more balanced portfolio than we used to have at the time. The worst kind of one-off of the destocking and missing the price point has been resolved by, by now. Now, it's waiting to kind of for the economic circumstances to start normalizing as they did after 2008, as we remain very confident in the mid- and long-term prospects. Harold, over to you for the second question.

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Yeah. Let me first start, because your question, Ed, is: what makes the range? Let me first start with explaining the most important thing that we want to bring across in this call. It was, for us, super important to get the prices in to cover this unprecedented inflation that we saw. We very deliberately went into this year knowing that that had to be done, you will have noticed that in Europe, the pricing was 14%. This is unprecedented, and therefore, the fact that our volumes are in line with expectations in Europe is a very, very important, yeah, signal to us.

We also therefore see now a slightly easing of the pressures, as I just tried to explain, and that will bring some balance back between volume and pricing in the second half of the year. The second thing is that our growth savings projections are very, very clear. We talked about the EUR 200 million in the first half of the year, but these are not ideas. These are concrete projects that have been put in motions, decisions have been taken, and therefore, we got extremely good visibility about what is to land in the second half of the year. That's why we were also very confident to call out that we see a significant acceleration on top of this EUR 200 million saving. The third is: what is the impact of the incidental events, as we may call them?

For example, this destocking in a slowing market, as Dolf has just clearly articulated, that was a big overhang that we needed to remove from that market. The financial impact thereof will not repeat itself in the second half of the year. These are the things that we control and very much are on top of. To your point on what is the range, it really is about the volume that we see in the second half of the year. This is demand, our relative performance, and weather. That is effectively what we're, what we cannot control, but all the controllables are in place to deliver that step up in the second half.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Yeah, maybe if I may add to what Harold is saying, one of the key things we want to do is to preserve our ability to invest in the business, to invest in our marketing and selling expenses in our EverGreen priorities. As you may have seen, we have invested almost EUR 200 million incremental in the first half in future growth. One of the key things that we're doing with this range is setting ourselves up to continue to invest and not to be cornered towards the end of the year, where we would have to cut marketing and selling expenses to hit a number. You're used to us being a mid- and long-term-oriented company, and that's what we really want to be.

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Yeah.

Edward Mundy
Managing Director of Beverages Research, Jefferies

Very clear. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Trevor Stirling, from Bernstein. Trevor, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Trevor Stirling
Senior Analyst of European Beverages, Bernstein

Hi, Dolf and Harold. Just 2 questions from my side, please. The first one, I appreciate that in the this half that's just passed, there's a lot of externalities and things that weren't expected. I wonder if there are any learnings from the organization about how to monitor these things and to react faster to them, to maybe have not quite the same scale of impact. The second question, looking forward to 2024, Harold, you talked about the commodity pressures partially reversing, a return to balanced growth. Does that imply that you would expect some margin expansion in 2024?

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Let me, let me take the first one, Trevor. And you, your question on externalities and what can we learn? Well, first, let's be brutally honest. We, we are not, not pleased with the performance in the first half year. It's below our own expectations. In a way, I know you guys like us to be consistent and boring, and we were not consistent, and we were also not not boring, I think. There's indeed a couple of these externalities that are affecting us disproportionately. Vietnam, 80% of the profit decline, we didn't see that coming. Did we move fast enough? In some extent, we did, but when you're sitting on that, that kind of volume overhang, that takes a time to wash out.

It took us probably longer than we like to course-correct on the pricing. There we are a bit self-critical. When you look to Nigeria, Nigeria is another very important externality with a brutal impact on volume. Vietnam and Nigeria together represent more than half the volume decline. Without it, we would have been low single digit down. The amazing thing in Nigeria, as I said in my, in my script, is that the local team moved super fast and very agile, offsetting a 25% volume decline and almost coming in at flat operating profit. I think it's not one picture. In general, we are quite pleased with the agility that we have been building over the last few years.

We like, you know, to, to maintain it, and in a couple of instances, particularly on price points where we are a bit slow to adapt, you're never going to get them all right. We, we need to continue to up, up our game. I think that is fair. Overall, we have no regrets on the pricing. We, we said what we said. We did what we said we would do. We knew we needed that pricing. Between the pricing and the volume, the volume is impacted, but will come back with a delay of one or two quarters.

The margin would never come back if we would not have taken the pricing, particularly in Europe. That we were able to be disciplined and lock in the pricing and, and get it, was the key priority at the beginning of the year. It's, it's a balanced picture, overall, Trevor, and for sure, with a couple of learnings, that we are for sure picking up with the team.

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Yeah. Let me take the second one, Trevor. Your, your question is quite pointed to, "Do you expect operating margin in 2024?" I, I still would like to give the context of what we're trying to achieve. The first thing is that we really are aiming for balanced growth for long-term, sustained value creation. You know that, but I need to say it because we don't want to just point out to an operating profit margin in 2024. What is the case is that we do continue to invest in our business, as Dolf just also outlined, also in the second half of this year, and this will not go away in 2024.

We believe that EverGreen needs to have that space to really change this business from a portfolio, a digital, a sustainability point of view. Therefore, investments will continue also into 2024. Having said all of that, we're also looking at spot market trends and commodity trends. We also see that they are coming off recent heights. We started already to hedge proportionately into 2024. Part of that lower cost base or less high cost base, if you take a little bit of a long term, is already starting to be covered in our hedge policies. The second thing that we notice is that transport costs, particularly intercontinental sea freight, is starting to return to pre-COVID levels.

The third, very important for us, is that the self-help, by really zooming in on productivity and growth savings to continue that, will continue also in 2024. All of these elements together will give us some confidence that we achieve both, balanced growth, and, and a healthier financial profile into 2024. It would be too early to point to a number.

Trevor Stirling
Senior Analyst of European Beverages, Bernstein

Understood. Thank you very much, Harold, and thank you, Dolf.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today comes from Simon Hales, from Citi. Simon, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Simon Hales
Managing Director of Consumer Staples and Beverages Research, Citi

Thank you. Hi, Dolf. Hi, Harold. A couple for me then as well, please. Harold, can I just come back to, you know, your comments on the key variables that drive that H2 organic profit growth range at the moment? You mentioned the easing of pricing and how that will help volumes through the second half, the efficiencies accelerating, the absence of the Vietnam de-stock. I suppose my question is, I mean, all of those factors, you know, I would assume, were known to you, you know, sort of 2 or 3 months ago when you were reiterating that mid to high single digit guidance range through May and June, that you previously had.

I just wonder what's changed in the last few weeks, therefore, perhaps in terms of how you think about volumes in the second half, that means you are a little bit more cautious now, and that's prompted you to introduce that stable potential profit, you know, sort of growth element for the year. That was the first one. Then maybe secondly, I wonder if you could just talk a little bit more about the performance of Mexico in the period. Clearly, Q2, you know, saw, you know, a weaker performance than we saw in Q1. I wonder how you're performing against the market there.

Is all of the slowdown or the relative share underperformance driven by the OXXO mixing, or are you seeing some more aggressive competitive behavior there in the market with things like Bud Light that we've heard about?

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Very good. I take Mexico, and if you would then speak to the first question.

Simon Hales
Managing Director of Consumer Staples and Beverages Research, Citi

Yeah.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

On Mexico, we're actually where we want and, and need to be. Performance in the first half year was solid, with that kind of double-digit revenue growth, low single digit volume, purely driven by the OXXO mixing. Underlying, our market share is stable. By the way, we aspire to more, so, so we like to be growing, you know, going forward. The good thing is the mixing in OXXO is now complete. All regions have been mixed. Into beginning of next year, we of course, still have the cycle, but yeah, this event that has been with us for four long years has now come to completion.

As of beginning of next year, we have a normal base and, yeah, we don't have this drag that we have had for such a long time. underlying from a portfolio point of view, the premiumization, brand Heineken, Ultra, the development of the SIX retail formats, adding another 500 stores now to 16,500. All the fundamentals are heading in the right direction. Yeah, we don't reveal profitability market by market, but the profitability is really heading in the right direction in Mexico. We're happy where we are, and we are in particular happy that the OXXO mixing will now soon be behind us.

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Yeah. Simon, if you can take it from there. Yeah, I think it's a super fair question, to be honest. Therefore, let me just illustrate what has happened, but mostly in the recent weeks. This is not something that we've seen evolving over time. The first one is that when we last spoke in Q1 , we were articulating this, this overstock from TET very clearly, but we were still led to believe that the Vietnam economy was going to recover very quickly. All signs were there that there was going to be a short intervention in order to bring that back to growth.

What you will have seen over the last couple of months is that every time measures have been taken, but they've also pushed out the time it will take for a more balanced recovery of the Vietnam economy, given also the global slowdown and the dependency of imports and exports. And for instance, tourism in Vietnam is still a third lower than what it was before COVID. So just to point out that this is also evolving inside, even for the policymakers in Vietnam. The second event was really the Nigeria interventions. Previously, we spoke about presidential elections and the absence of banknotes, but since then, petrol prices have tripled because subsidies have been canceled, diesel subsidies have been canceled. And at this moment in time, a couple of weeks ago, we saw a 65% devaluation also taking effect.

As Dolf indicated, all of this is good for long-term health, but it's short-term pain for long-term gain. As a result of that, despite the fact that our Nigeria business is adjusting, this does have consequence for short-term consumer spendable income in Nigeria. Thirdly, weather. I hate to blame weather, so I'm not going to spend too much time on it, but too hot is not good, too cold and rainy is also not good, and this is a little bit the, the reality that we've seen unfolding in the last couple of weeks.

As importantly as the first three, it's what Dolf just said: We really do not want to box ourselves in too tightly, compromising the investments and the pace of EverGreen. All of this together has made us realize that it's better to be safe now rather than to compromise the long term of EverGreen.

Simon Hales
Managing Director of Consumer Staples and Beverages Research, Citi

That's really helpful, Harold. Thank you. And can I just clarify one, one more thing? You, you, you said in response to Trevor's question, you talked about hedging into next year for, for commodities, et cetera. Where are those hedges sitting, H1 and H1? Are they lower year- on- year, where you're signing contracts now?

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Yeah, we usually say we contract out about 12 months, and we do have, let's call it a corridor of hedging that we take. Sometimes that's related to the first half, sometimes we slice that in pieces across the year. That depends a little bit on the forward premiums that we see, but by and large, you should assume that half of the commodities have now been locked in.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Thank you, Simon.

Simon Hales
Managing Director of Consumer Staples and Beverages Research, Citi

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Richard Withagen from Kepler Cheuvreux. Richard, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Richard Withagen
Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for the question. On marketing spending, I mean, you said you increased spending, especially in Europe and in the Americas. Can you also maybe mention the hits, why, which kind of products that spending was? Was that predominantly Heineken Silver, or are there some other specific products that you spend behind? Also, can you-- I mean, is, is there, yeah, your thoughts on your increased marketing spending in order to justify the price increases, or, or would that be too, too skeptical? Those are my questions. Thanks.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Very good. Thanks, thanks, Richard. On the marketing spending, in the first stage of EverGreen, let's say in 2021, 2022, we spent a lot of time working with the markets on more focus, clearer priorities, spending your money against fewer brands, fewer priorities. That has really helped in increasing the punch on the key priorities at the time. Now we felt the need to really make sure that we invest in future growth. There's always a delay between marketing spend and seeing it back in brand power and seeing brand power convert to volume. The key thing is to be consistent and to consistently increase over time.

With COVID, there was, of course, a huge disruption to marketing spend levels in the industry, not just with us, and we really want to get back on track with consistent, ever-increasing marketing and selling expense investments going up, smartly spent. So not just spending for spending's sake, but after two years, we feel we're in a good place in that regard. We're starting to leverage AI and other kind of tech tools to continuously improve our game in that regard. On the link to pricing, well, this EUR 200 million won't help us this year, but we do believe that brand power today is pricing power tomorrow. If there's one priority behind the whole marketing spending, it's our premium portfolio. That is the overarching number one.

There's multiple priorities of EverGreen, scaling of premium has been, is, and will always be our number one priority. As you have seen in our results across the regions, consistently, premium is outperforming. Whereby in the past, the company was, we felt, Harold and I, too volume-obsessed. We want to be more balanced in that regard, with also paying more attention to value, and premiumization is a key vehicle to do that. Again, the marketing investments are a key point. Let me give one example of a market.

In the U.S., we have significantly ramped up our marketing spend, even though the market's P&L was heavily affected, because our local pricing is basically determined by the other local domestic companies, while our input costs are determined by international ocean freight and our international transfer price coming out of Europe. You can imagine there was a huge short-term impact in the P&L of our U.S. business. Rather than cutting ATL, BTL, we have actually significantly ramped up. A short-term pain for long-term gain, but we really believe with the momentum we're having on Heineken 0.0, the momentum that we're now gaining on Heineken Silver, this was the moment to up our investments. Hopefully that gives you a bit of further context on your question, Richard. Thank you.

Richard Withagen
Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah, very clear. Very clear. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Robert Ottenstein, from Evercore ISI. Rob, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Robert Ottenstein
Senior Managing Director and Head of Global Beverages, Evercore ISI

Great. Thank you very much. I'd like to circle back to Vietnam and just a few follow-ups here. Can you give us a sense of what your business mix looks like now in terms of, you know, premium, mainstream, or even better, you know, what percentage is Heineken? What percentage is Tiger? What percentage is mainstream? Any sort of mix like that. That's number one.

Second, can you talk a little bit more about the competitive environment? I think if I heard you right, that the competition didn't match or delayed matching on pricing. What's the status of that now? I know in the past, demand had been hurt, I believe, because of stricter driving while consuming alcohol laws. Is that still a factor? Thank you. What sort of impact is there there? Thank you very much.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Fantastic. Thanks, thanks, Rob. On the price segments, well, until, let's say 5, 5 years ago, 95% of our business, our portfolio, were premium brands. It was basically Tiger and Heineken. Right now, premium is down to 64% of the mix, and the remaining being our mainstream brands like Larue, Bivina, and Bia Viet, which is now a national brand. You see already a much, you know, better mix. Our overall market share is 40%. Our market share within premium, over 90, and our share within mainstream now up to 20, but still ways to go. We keep investing in diversifying our portfolio. On the pricing, that was particularly in relation to Tiger Original.

Yeah, where with the benefit of hindsight, we took a price step that left us outside of the historical price corridors on the gap between premium and mainstream, and we have since corrected that, especially since June, July. We are now where we need to be in that regard. On your question on the alcohol laws, indeed, and that was launched just before COVID, and that was having some impact at the time. Of course, COVID disrupted all of this, and we have seen since the beginning of the year a renewed focus on compliance with those with those drivers laws, which has some impact. We wouldn't want to point that out as a major factor in terms of what's going on right now.

For us, it's more driven by the overall economic reset, which may last through the end of the year. Again, we have seen something similar back in 2008, but we remain very confident in the mid and long-term prospects of the Vietnamese market.

Robert Ottenstein
Senior Managing Director and Head of Global Beverages, Evercore ISI

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Carlos Laboy, from HSBC. Carlos, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Carlos Laboy
Managing Director, HSBC

Yes, thank you. Hello, everyone. Well, at the other end of the spectrum of Vietnam is, is Brazil, and I was hoping you could talk a little bit about Brazil. It looks like you're getting pricing, you're getting market share, you mentioned Amstel is up 30%. How are you set for capacity to keep pace with demand for Amstel over, over the next couple of years? Are, are you holding the brand back at all, given all the resets that are happening in the, in, in, in mainstream by your competitor? What's your vision of Amstel's potential here?

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Maybe, Harold, you can, you can take that one. I've been taking the others.

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Carlos, good to hear you. We continue to be quite determined to create a portfolio that sets us up for long-term success. You know that we've talked quite some time about converting the total portfolio to a premium and upper mainstream, and we do see continued double-digit revenue growth in Heineken, in Amstel, that is now growing into the thirties. We're very pleased with the composition of the portfolio. We are making sure that we are keeping pace with our investments to support that growth. Partly, it's in our own brewery facility, so you will see that there's about 2 to 3 million hectoliter coming on stream every year.

That is something that we will continue to do, and then we've just started the construction of a very big new brewery that will become operational in 2025. We do have our growth mapped out between now and then, and that new brewery facility in Passos will give us quite a lot of volume for the years to come. We do think that we have, have got this under control. What is also important is that it's not only our own brewery, but the whole ecosystem and footprint around this.

We're also very pleased, as I just tried to articulate, that more and more of our preferred suppliers are actually with us, so that not only do we create capacity, but we also don't need any longer to import huge amounts of bottle volumes and barleys, but really are starting to create an ecosystem that can sustain that growth, and therefore increasing profitability on the path to come. We're actually feeling very good about our Brazil plans, but also the momentum that we have.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Maybe on the profitability, one thing to mention is that actually, by the end of this year, Brazil will be our third largest profit generator in the group. We're still not where we want to be on the margins, but actually, this is starting to become, in absolute terms, a very meaningful and critical, important, strategic asset for the company. We will continue to push for the margins. On that capacity expansion, Carlos, it's all about not too slow, but also not too fast. It's really getting the rhythm right, and I think, you know, yeah, we more or less are where we want to be in that regard.

Carlos Laboy
Managing Director, HSBC

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Sanjeet Aujla from Credit Suisse. Sanjeet, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Sanjeet Aujla
Managing Director and Beverages Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Yeah. Hi, Dolf, Harold, a couple from me as well, please. Firstly, I'd just like to come back to Brazil. Particularly around Q2, there seems to be quite a bit of a slowdown there, also in the premium portfolio, which we haven't really seen in recent years. Can you just talk a little bit about the Heineken volume momentum you're seeing there? Anything on pricing you can talk to us about. Then just more higher level as we go into 2024, there's been some instances in the first half where you've taken a lot of pricing and perhaps you're having to roll it back now.

As you go into a period of perhaps easier commodity costs, just love to explore your pricing philosophy in that environment. Do you see other markets and brands where maybe you've taken it a little bit too far, and you need to address and you're trying to fund that with low income, input costs next year? Thanks.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Thanks, Sanjeet. Maybe Harold can speak to the pricing for the second half of the year. Let me speak to the first part of your question on Brazil. First of all, we continue to consistently outperform the market. What's true, that's underlying, and we have also seen it, is that the market went into a slowdown in the Q2 . But again, we have continuously outperformed, and we were, you know, overall flat on the first half. And basically, we're continuing a bit with our strategy, that we are willing to let go some of that super low margin economy volume, but that we continuously grow our premium volumes, which were up again in our Amstel mainstream volume.

On top of that, it's not just volume for volume sake by segment, it's also the conversion to returnable. One of the key things, and this was the key rationale for us to take brands Heineken and Amstel back into our own direct distribution, was to really drive returnability, which we know is gonna be critical for further market penetration into the on-trade, but also for the margins as we aspire to. Yeah, overall, for us, for market share, from segment premium, Heineken, Amstel, it all looks good, but we did see a bit of a market slowdown in the Q2 .

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Yeah. Maybe just to add, too, because that was the second point about Heineken. Despite this market slowdown, which is indeed dipping into the negative, Heineken continued to grow. I think that's, that's an important substance to why we're still very pleased with our premium portfolio.

On the point on the pricing in half two, I think we have been very clear and articulate about the fact that we really front-loaded pricing this year. It had to be done also because we knew what the cost base was going to be, and that the momentum of that inflation, that energy-led inflation, was really happening at the start of this year, therefore, we went quite bold and took the pricing that we needed in the first half of the year. Now, when, t herefore, the input costs are going to be less high in the second half of the year, and from mid-teens to low teens. That also means that the pricing for that, by and large, has been taken.

Sanjeet Aujla
Managing Director and Beverages Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thanks.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Thanks, indeed. Great, we can still take a couple of questions? Yes, let's continue.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Nik Oliver, from UBS. Nik, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Nik Oliver
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Research, UBS

Hey, thank you for further quick questions. So, two, two quick ones. Firstly, on the phasing of profits, just so I'm clear, the rebound in H2, it's mainly comp issues, so Nigeria, Vietnam, and the other things that you talked about, just to give the market some confidence that we can meet the new guidance on profits. Then secondly, looking into next year, when we think about Brazil, I think last time it was commented and publicly, that was a 8%, maybe, high single digit margin market. How should we think about Brazil margins going forward? If that's okay.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Shall I, for once, answer a financial question?

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

By all means, you can take the, the role of Brazil.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

No, let me just say it in my own words, Nik. On the phasing of profit , I think there's a couple of things that we feel very confident about. We got the pricing that we needed, and that was the big uncertainty, was whether we were able to get the pricing that we needed, and largely, we have been able to do this, and we did it early in the year. We have high predictability on the pricing. We have clarity on the input costs, and as Harold showed, that will move from mid double digit to low double digit. We have high confidence on the productivity, the growth savings accelerating from EUR 200 to at least EUR 300 in the second half. We do know that there were a couple of disruptions that won't repeat in the second half.

A good part of the Nigeria related to the elections, the cash shortage, et cetera, and the whole destocking of Vietnam. The large unknown is a little bit how the volumes will evolve. We think they will moderate, we think they will move from that mid-single digit to low single digit, but that is the only part that is not fully predictable. We are currently in the summer in Europe. These months matter. Months like July, August, do matter, and we know the weather does matter as well. I would say four out of five key metrics, we have very high predictability, and we're happy where we are. The volume equation is a little bit less predictable. At this point in time, we have managed the price points to where we want them to be.

Yeah, for us, and that's why we have set the expectation for the second half as we set. We wanted to make sure that we didn't lose our ability to continue to invest for this year and the coming years. Yeah, maybe a bit in my own words, but it's the same as what Harold said earlier. That altogether gives us confidence in our guidance for the second half, and that the profit delivery will be significantly better. It's all about setting ourselves up for a strong 2024. We don't want to do anything this year that would start jeopardizing or impacting one way or another next year. On the second question, I think it was related to Brazil, right?

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Indeed.

Nik Oliver
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Research, UBS

Yeah.

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

In particular.

Nik Oliver
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Research, UBS

Yeah, yeah.

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

To the profit margin.

Nik Oliver
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Research, UBS

Yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Brazil, yeah.

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Right, Nik, then in particular, to the profit margins in Brazil, also with a perspective to the future. You will understand that that is information that I need to be a little bit careful about for a variety of reasons, but let me answer it in the following way.

Firstly, we're extremely happy to see Brazil continuing to grow, this is no longer a, let's call it an incident. This is really a pattern of growth that you see happening. That means that the brands like Heineken, the brands like Amstel, are starting to get to scale, but they also have a very high consumer appeal. Heineken is the number one brand in the off trade. It has the highest brand power of all the brands there. There is still, y ou know, this is still a value share that we think can grow beyond what it currently is today, because it's, it's, it has yet to reach the 10% threshold.

There is a lot more momentum to create in Brazil. Now, with that, with the right portfolio, comes also the right profitability structure, because we're building the right mix in that growth. When you have the right growth momentum with the right profitability structure, suddenly scale becomes quite appealing, not only for us, but also for our partners. That ecosystem of growth behind sustained momentum, large scale, the right portfolio, so that it can sustain, actually gives us confidence that the path to that company average profitability that we've been talking about is fully mapped out, but also very doable.

Maybe what also Dolf is, is articulating in, in his own way, this is already becoming a very important profit contributor to the Heineken Group. Of course, the license income from that, from Amstel and, and Heineken, I'm sure that the Brazil team will be pleased to hear, is also very welcome here. All in all, there's a lot of good things happening in Brazil for many years to come.

Nik Oliver
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Research, UBS

But thank you very much.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Okay, I think we can. [crosstalk]

Nik Oliver
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Research, UBS

So I guess [crosstalk].

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Sorry, Nik.

Nik Oliver
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Research, UBS

Sorry. No, sorry. No, so sorry, Dolf, a really quick one. Do you just, I mean, I guess there's nothing to think that maybe and Brazil margins couldn't get to group average over time? Is that the right way for us and ask the model? Yeah.

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Let's agree not to speculate when over time means, and, at the moment. We have very clear roadmap on how we're continuing to grow profits, but also profitability in Brazil.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Perfect. Thanks, thanks, Nik. I think I'm allowed one more question by Federico. One more question.

Operator

Thank you.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Who's the, the last?

Operator

Thank you. We will take our final question from Chris Pitcher, from Redburn. Chris, please kindly only ask one question. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Our next question is from Chris Pitcher. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Yeah, either Chris in mute or he dropped off, by now. Chris, are you there? Let's jump to, i s there any other question remaining?

Operator

Yes, we can take a final question from Laurence Whyatt from Barclays. Laurence, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Laurence Whyatt
Head of European Beverages Research, Barclays

Hi, thanks. Thanks so much for the question. A relatively quick one, I think, just in terms of your volume visibility into next year. You mentioned that the pricing will moderate as a result of the easier quality environment, but you also believe the volumes will decline slightly next year as well. Just wondering which markets you think will be under the most pressure with regards to volumes? Is there anywhere in particular that we should be calling out as slightly weak on that volume front? Thank you.

Dolf van den Brink
CEO, Heineken

Hi, Laurence. Volume and pricing. To be clear, we are not aiming of having declining volumes next year in 2024. It's too soon to tell where they will land, but we are not assuming a decline in volumes for next year. We will-- we do hope to see a sequential improvement for mid-single digit to low single digit to hopefully growth in the next year. Again, too soon to say anything definite on it. As said, we have taken the largest price increase in the... Well, the recent history, particularly in Europe, with that 13-40% pricing, that will take a couple of quarters to kind of settle.

For us, it's key now to, you know, also in that sense, drive consistency on the price points and consistency on the investment level, the activity level, and make sure that indeed we, we start seeing that sequential improvement starting to move through. For sure, we do believe that some of these one-off disruptions will be behind us because our aim is, as I said at the beginning, to be a bit more boring. Hopefully next year will be balanced growth and bringing consistency back and a bit less, a little bit more, more boring. On that note, probably people need to start jumping off. Thanks all for being with us and wishing you all a good summer. Take care. Bye-bye.

Harold van den Broek
CFO, Heineken

Bye-bye.

Operator

Thank you everyone for joining today's call. You may now disconnect your lines and have a lovely day.

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